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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1h ago
Let's do the math on this one. She's mid-thirties, physician making upper range of 6 figures. That means she's a specialist. Most specialty training (as opposed to primary care), requires 4-7 years of post-med school training. let's call it 5.
You might assume that the average med student finishes med school by 26. That's only if they go straight through after college, which is increasingly uncommon. A lot of people spend several years in research, or other stuff before they finally get in. The average age of a med school matriculant is 24-25. Let's assume 24.
So, start med school at 24. Finish at 28. Finish a 5 year residency at 33. She's in her mid-thirties. You do the math. She's been practicing at best for a couple of years. Here's what I suspect happened: she bought the feminist bullshit that somehow being a wage slave working for some anonymous boss's profits was more empowering than being a wife taking care of your family. She knew residency would suck, but it's temporary, and then she'd be a glorious attending, making gobs of money, being the top of the food chain thanks to her expertise, with everyone from patients to hospital admins laying down flower petals at her feet for "saving lives".
And then she got her first job. And realized she's basically a glorified McDonald's worker: working for a "nonprofit" that is just as rapacious as any Fortune 500 company, can be fired at any time, no pension, timed on how fast she moves patients through their 15-minute appointments, her boss is an HR-style chick who majored in English lit, knows nothing about medicine and cares even less about it, her bonus being dependent on whether her surly customers give her a 5-star rating on medicine's equivalent of Yelp (Press-Ganey scores). Oh yeah, and it's not temporary. This is her new life until she keels over and they haul her out of the office.
She spends one year at this feminist paradise (Look how much money your labor is generating for the hospital CEO! So much better than working for a husband and family that loves you. Don't you feel empowered? And spending all day typing into a computer is so much more interesting than raising a child, yes?) and goes screaming for the hills.
Now she wants to be a tradwife. But she has four strikes going against her.
First, she's mid-thirties. If a guy can't depend on her salary anyway, then why not marry a hot mid-twenties nurse instead? What does her being a doctor do for you if her salary can't count?
Second, because of the lifestyle she's been groomed to expect (she hasn't even lived it yet; she's been a student and then a resident. But she got through med school and residency by telling herself it will eventually lead to a jetset, carefree, lux life) she can't become a plumber's wife. She needs someone to give her the life she thought medicine would, except without her having to work like a dog the way she's realizing she'd have to if she stays in the field.
Third, in many ways, that mid-twenties nurse is richer than her: she has much less college debt. This doctor has just finished residency. She probably has at least half a mil in loans -- not even including compounding interest during her residency years -- that her future husband will have to pay off before she can even claim to have a net worth of zero. That poor dude has to take on the equivalent of a second mortgage and higher monthly expenses (for the lifestyle she wants) if he marries this woman instead of a nurse or teacher or, heck, a homeless woman with no teeth who'd be overjoyed just to have dental insurance.
And fourth, and perhaps most important: this woman has gone through 5-6 years of bruising training for a highly competitive specialty, which means she's developed a tough-as-nails ball buster exterior to survive. Almost certainly, she has no idea how to take that off when she's at home (indeed, it's been so long, she might not even remember how she was before starting residency). Which means that is her personality now. Whatever sweet, kind girl she was in high school and college, she's now a person who takes no shit from no one, views the entire world with a cynical, jaundiced eye, and is perpetually tired and burned out and pissed off that all her education can't prevent her from basically being shat on at work every day by people far less "intelligent" than her.
At this point, the only thing she has going for her is the money she brings to the table. Enough that even a guy from a semi-respectable profession (doesn't have to be a plumber; even a professional making $100-200k in something like engineering, or middle management, or law) might overlook everything else if it meant upgrading his lifestyle (and maybe he even stays home and takes care of the kids). And she's taking that off the table.
It's too bad they don't teach logic in med school.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 2h ago
These are great finds, @polishknight !
What strikes me most about these matchmakers, is they're kind of like the female equivalent of MGTOW. They're one of the few groups of women who get a taste of what it's like being a man having to deal with these over-entitled, listicle-carrying harpies. These women are just as demanding, dismissive, harsh, with none of the warmth or empathy that defines even basic human interaction, nevermind a romantic one.
And what's funny is, we men are supposed to pay for the privilege of hearing them list out their demands and carry out a job interview. Meanwhile, these matchmakers are being paid, and they still end up tearing their hair out and quitting. And they wonder why MGTOW is becoming so popular...
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 3d ago
This has got to be the most annoying job for women there is. Your success literally depends on convincing other women to "settle".
I'd love to hear how these convos go in private. "Yeah, I know, he only makes $10k, and I know you said you wanted $680,000 minimum, but take it from me, he looks great and seems like he'll make a great dad!"
Her female clients will only let themselves be convinced if
Most will opt for the former, which means putting forth the appearance of success with men.
Then for the few "eligible" men she finds, she has to be a realtor pawning off a crappy house. "It leaks a bit and needs some TLC, but the location is great! Adjacent to the town dump and Title V passed!"
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3d ago
Although this film "The Materialists" has a lousy plot, the premise and a few scenes make youtube gold. You're probably imagining the millions of matchmaker-client conversations that go something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZIJwHq6pzCQ
Note how the client mentally shifts gears from turbo overdrive to reverse in seconds: She's heads over heels when she realizes that this guy, the best she could settle for, seemed to like her and then enraged that the "loser" dares to reject her.
What I dislike about the film is how it ultimately sells out to the audience (most likely women) by then portraying the balding doctor guy as a creep to help salve the hurt feelings of the audience that some men can go from being beggars to choosers.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 3d ago
She's doing that retarded thing...... "All this money that I have that I won't share entitles me to all your money that you will share".
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 3d ago
She has a near zero chance of finding a guy right out the gate just from the salary preferences alone.
What she doesn't realize is that the guy who makes at least the same as her is what she needs to maintain her lifestyle.
She doesn't take into account that what he is making now is only enough to maintain his lifestyle.
Which means, in order to maintain hers AND his lifestyles, he's going to have to make at least double what she makes.
She says she makes high 6-figures, so at least $600,000, which means he needs to make at minimum $1.2 million.
There ain't no coochie in this world that's worth $1.2 million, especially if they're just an average-looking woman at best.
She'd have a better chance of finding a politician with cancer and marrying him.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 4d ago
Public service message: If you enjoy the content, please consider posting this link to the Reddit version of WAATGM since I cannot. It drives more traffic to this site, such as myself, and that's how the content creation happens. Please do your part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlC5DEp2EOQ
@Typo-MAGAshiv This doesn't qualify for weekday content apparently, but I'm curious: Is it because the matchmaker told the story? Rule 1 does apply since she's looking to have kids with him?
Used Mac-screen recording with physical-audio patching and a sticky-note posted over the title to save time from using “free” watermark removal tools with all kinds of paywalls but had a problem with editing so had to repost. Lessons learned. If anyone knows of a good "free" watermark remover, please do let me know!
The title is taken from where I found it elsewhere and I thought it was clever so giving credit where it’s due. Happy Friday, everyone!
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4d ago
Yes.
You mean rule 5.
I've used Musicaldown.com for years, and it's actually free rather than "free".
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 4d ago
Yes, rule 5. Dzenkuje.
That said, @First-light says this is a great post because it illustrates women's mindsets exceptionally well making it, I (humbly) propose: a good candidate for sticky status for Hypergamy even though it's not weekday content. She's inspired another WATGMA post:
Eff Dee Ess defines hypergamy for women, for those few women who can't seem to "get" the concept, that relationships with men are ONLY valid if she gets more out of it than he does. Ironically, when men are as mercenary as women, the system breaks down as Scott Adams, RIP, cleverly points out: https://imgur.com/a/E44dHAw
Hypergamy is a game of chicken and/or musical chairs: https://youtu.be/_nIwitIOeUM
They're gambling with their family's future simply to have a brag they got a deal sort of like scoring a below wholesale buy at a car dealership.
Ponder that for a moment: They regard their future husband and father of their children with the same emotional detachment we do for businessmen. They also gamble with their family's future "I'd rather die alone than settle!" versus fathers, including me, who would throw ourselves under a bus in a microsecond to save our daughter and likely also our wife as well? Why?
Because I couldn't live with myself if I didn't. Not that society would judge me as unchivalrous but because, despite my wife's hypergamy and many other annoyances, I love her (I tell this to halfway decent women I know and they go "awww!") Love isn't something for me that's a weakness preventing me from scoring a free meal or some social status but rather the opposite: I do value someone being there for me even if, gasp, I have to PAY for it. Love to me about personal sacrifice which, ironically, makes love a largely masculine trait doesn't it?
Another cultural reference. "But surely you can't put a price on your family's lives!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kpuyVkqP68&t=89s
Which women get this kind of love even if they don't truly value it at the same degree men do? This brings to mind Gandalf saying to Frodo in LotR:
"Deserves it! I dare say he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."
Smart women with minimal hypergamy and a heart, deserve it and find it. They marry young or they at least have some perception of market value. They don't go to the car dealership demanding a Rav4 at below MSRP on Tax Day. (FYI, If you shop for a car on April 15th, you DESERVE to get taken!)
The traditional image we have of women are as selfless mothers and wives. For example, like Scarlett the cat that rushed back into a fire to rescue her kittens (be warned, this is onion crying material): https://youtu.be/Oz9xdz1dDuk
When Scarlet died, her picture went up on the Times Square Jumbotron: https://www.facebook.com/ScarlettTheHeroCat/photos/the-jumbotron-in-times-square-announcing-scarletts-passing-/1118397879858479/
Compare and contrast to my (ex) girlfriend's cat 30 years ago named "meathead" because although pretty, she didn't like to be petted and would scratch you. When one of her kittens died, she ate it hence the nickname.
Aging women who become even MORE demanding, entitled, and even unpleasant are difficult to feel empathy for. Although the film The Materialists was full of lame cultural tropes, this scene is gold and similar to the above actual woman client: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZIJwHq6pzCQ
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 4d ago
Due to having to pull the post, reposting comments:
@Vermillion-Rx I'm glad these know it all boss babes are becoming spinsters because they decided to pick a man's career path while maintaining a woman's sexual strategy Good luck with that
@Typo-MAGAshiv Weekend material. Good stuff, though. These matchmakers discussing how demanding and unrealistic their female customers are have become more and more prevalent in recent years, and they never cease to amuse me.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 4d ago
Will repost
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 4d ago
Standard post wall woman pricing herself out of her desired market.
Sadly, I think the only reason the matchmaker realized how contradictory her clients demands were is because she has a job that literally requires her to think about other people's wants and needs in order to be successful in the short and long term.
The average woman however can get through her teens and twenties basically being completely oblivious to any wants or needs outside her own if she's pretty enough or men are desperate enough. And so most end up like her client, being on the wrong side of 30 and failing to grasp that a successful man is not going to accept a woman that is both old and fully intending to be a sandbagger.
She can be young and low earning, or old and high earning, but not both old and low earning while demanding high quality of life at his expense. Too many negatives for nothing positive in return.
These women are expecting an Old Money lifestyle while bringing none of the family trusts, properties, and socioeconomic connections that make it possible much less sustainable.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4d ago
The average woman however can get through her teens and twenties basically being completely oblivious to any wants or needs outside her own if she's pretty enough or men are desperate enough. And so most end up like her client, being on the wrong side of 30 and failing to grasp that a successful man is not going to accept a woman that is both old and fully intending to be a sandbagger.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 4d ago
I'm glad these know it all boss babes are becoming spinsters because they decided to pick a man's career path while maintaining a woman's sexual strategy Good luck with that
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 4d ago
This is a good find as it shows something we talk about lots from the female perspective.
Hypergamy can't be have your cake cake and eat it. Ladies you want to marry up. It makes perfect sense that you want to be able to have your children, be a good mother and stay at home and not lose your lifestyle but you do have to consider what you offer in return. Self assessed "average looking" boss babe brings what? Well money. What else. Has she been educated to be a good woman and mother? Has she got good genes? Has she got habits that will make her a happy homemaker who will bring joy to her husband?
So basically miss, you are useful at doing what you have trained to do. Stick to the career and buy a cat. You have no education in homemaking but you think you deserve that role? Its like a housewife saying she wants to be a consultant surgeon.
They talk about the value in educating women. I agree but for what? To be men? Ok (though I doubt you will do it as well as most real men) but then don't expect a woman's life. Why don't we educate women to be women?
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 3d ago
Which miss? That all applies to the chicken-handed, makeup-laden matchmaker girl just as much!
"We" do. Our curriculum is designed for a girl to be married off by age 18 or so, knowing everything she needs to know to start a family. This does not include "academic" success in any areas. Because why?
But yeah, the system is perfectly designed to give us the results we're getting. A nation that keeps girls in school over eight years is a nation with a declining birth rate.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 4d ago
While it "makes perfect sense", I like how they justify greed and childish selfishness as a virtue: "it's what I want so what's wrong with that?"
There was an X posting a while ago of a childless couple bragging about how they spend money on experiences rather than pesky children: https://x.com/INTERIORPORN1/status/2055721182771486934
This was the original sexual revolution concept that perpetual bachelorhood is preferable to marital family obligations.
What you fail to consider in such a woman's mindset is that the whole POINT of a relationship to her is the man "providing" and him being a "gentleman" and existing solely to please her. Selfish men, of course, aren't REAL men expecting something from her. People love to put money and food on tables, you know.
While this mindset helps to salve her conscience ("I'm not greedy! They are!") it's a poor strategy in that with aging wombs and looks, it becomes more difficult to maintain such a delusion.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 3d ago
And then the dumb ho in the OP wanted to play keep away with even that - meaning she brought no value to the table at all.
She chose the life path of a man and failed to grasp that means marrying like a man does. Usually down, but to someone that brings enough youth and fertility to the table to offset the fiscal liability.
But that strategy that doesn't biologically work for women.
Treadmill 4d ago
She is so deluded by her fantasy that she fails to see the basics of home economics. She wants to be a stay at home housewife, with a husband and kids. Yet she also wants the same material standard of living that she has a a high-earning woman. She claims that for that reason, she wants a husband who earns the same as her.
Except that is not enough. He will obviously need to earn way more than her, as his income will be supporting at least two people. So her requirements are even less reasonable than they appear at first. It is essentially not possible. What she wants is akin to winning the lottery.
Realisticially, there are two options for modern women, neither of which she is willing to choose. The first is to become a stay-at-home wife, but accept that you will have less money than before. Cut out the expensive vacations and fancy dinners. This is still doable on a single income and many men would be happy with such an arrangement. Alternatively, you keep working so you can keep your material conditions.
Unfortunately for them, these women are clearly choosing the secret third option: Stay single and hope to one day win the lottery whilst bitterly complaining about men.
As an aside, it bothers me how ready she is to give up her career. She must have studied and worked hard for it, yet apparently she doesn't care for her work at all. Where is the sense of duty to her field, her coworkers, or her patients? A male physician would never be so callous.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 4d ago
Granted, most men, physician or not, simply do not have the realistic option of using their gonads as a source of economic security like even a frumpy woman does.
What the problem the woman in the OP has is she is wanting way more than just economic security while offering less than younger more fertile women.
What she should have done is back when she was in her 20's she should have glommed onto a promising pre-med and suck started him into giving her a wedding ring.
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 4d ago
My thoughts exactly. With residency and med school, if she’s 35, I can’t imagine she has been a full-time physician more than 5 years total. I wonder if she’s even paid off med school loans.
Imagine that as a man: dating a high earner woman, who expects you to earn more than them, all so that they can stop working, while she brings a negative net worth to the table.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 3d ago
And then they wonder why men would rather put a ring on younger women who also have less debts.
Everpax Jr. Hamster Analyst 4d ago
She's ready to throw it all away on a whim because women aren't building these careers to feel accomplished, or to have a sense of purpose, or even for the sake of long-term financial stability. They see it as mainly bargaining power for getting a better man, and believe the career makes them more attractive because they find men with high-powered careers more attractive. Just like most things involving women, it's a complete failure to understand that men don't see the world like they do.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3d ago
They usually feel accomplished, but they also feel that they've arrived at the finish line when really, they aren't even halfway through the marathon.
When women clamored and whined for equality, they didn't realize how much working from the day you finish school until the day you die can really suck.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3d ago
It's amusing how tall height queens are similar to career hypergamous women in regards to their desire for someone taller/earns-more is somehow an entitlement.
Like a woman who competes to earn another $100K thinking "Wow! Now I can demand the Real Man to earn an additional $100K if he wants me!", height queens wear high heels and declare "Now I can demand a man whose even 4 inches more taller!"
Mere economics such as the availability of such men, how own metrics that may make her uncompetitive (such as this woman's advanced age) and "average looks" according to the matchmaker escapes them.
My (blonde) wife, no kidding, thought if she had won the $40 million Powerball jackpot, that she could give $1 million each to 40 million Ukrainians. I asked my daughter to do the math and she came up with the correct figure. So perhaps there's something emotional in their brains that interferes with math and logic. She actually did better in engineering university than me.
Another story related to hypergamy: I had my brother and niece who just graduated nursing school over for dinner and the niece was a Polish knockout. Like a brunette Barbara Eden. I asked her plans and she said "I want to go to medical school for another decade and then I can marry a rich man." I said nothing. Zilch. I do not interfere in my relatives' affairs (kind of like the Star Fleet Prime Directive).
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3d ago
economics is a tool of the patriarchy!
Throwing away a winning lottery ticket to work as a horse stables cleaner...
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 4d ago
At least the matchmaker leveled with her, though she could have stopped with the "first bucket." High-earning guys want a women who is "very pretty, very young," and Ms. High Six-Figures doesn't qualify.
PoopBeast Jr. Hamster Analyst 3d ago
These are the only women who get it. Them, and the ones you hear about who take over a male friend's dating profile to try to help him because they think the guy must be doing something wrong.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3d ago
Those videos are hilarious.