OP @Seagram7:

This is a decent post, as are most of your posts and commentary.

However, I have lost count of how many of your posts I've removed due to failure to comply with this announcement that also applies site-wide, rather than just to WAATGM (more on that in a moment).

And don't think I didn't notice the occasions when you'd simply repost something to TRP that I had removed from WAATGM in order to circumvent this rule. Example.

That stops. @redpillschool (website owner and head admin) as well as @Vermillion-Rx (site admin) have told me that my announcement (minus the WAATGM-specific language) was intended to apply site-wide, and they will be enforcing it as such.

I'm leaving this one up for now, mainly because I didn't have time to deal with it yesterday and the comments section is good. However, in the off chance the site is contacted by the copyright owner, down it comes.

On your next offense, the offending post is coming down and you will receive a 30-day ban from WAATGM. It's up to the site admins if that will become site-wide, but there's a strong possibility that it will (especially if you do that bullshit of just posting it to a different forum to circumvent the rule).

To you and anyone reading along: this highlighting of text is for the preservation of the website. This fucking matters. I've explained this numerous times when I've removed your posts, so if reasonable explanations don't get through, maybe a temp ban will.

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This is an old post, but I thought it was related to the topic above.

The Story of Heidi

In an apartment complex that I lived in Houston, there was a loose knit collection of about 10-15 singles. We would meet at the pool on the weekends, and have informal parities. If one person knew of a singles event, they would inform the rest, and whoever wanted could attend. I even dated one of the girls in the group for a short time.

In the group, was an attractive girl named Heidi. She was a degreed professional in the oil business. And you couldn’t miss her. She was 5’11”, blonde hair, with blue eyes. Typical for a tall girl, she didn’t have much up top, but she have broad curvy hips and an hour glass waist. She, needless to say, she got the attention of single men.

One Saturday, I was catching rays and drinking beer with some of the other guys at the apartment complex pool, when one man I knew walked up to the group of us. He stated he had proposed to Heidi, and she had turned him down. He approached us in the off chance that someone might know Heidi and put the good word in for him with her. Months later, I was at my section’s pool of the apartment complex. There was a water polo game in progress, one man about 10 feet away me on my left, was playing boom box, and about 10 feet in the other direction were two girls from the group talking about how Heidi had rejected two other men's marriage proposals. I wasn’t getting all the details of the conversation due to noise at the pool and that fact I didn’t really care, so I don’t know if the two girls were jealous of Heidi getting the attention of these two men, or if these women were mocking these men as losers, due to Heidi rejecting them. But the point here is not only was Heidi getting the attention of single men, but marriage proposals.

Fast forward 12 years, one child and one divorce later on my part. A friend wanted me to join a dating agency. He would get a bonus if I joined, and I could join at a discount. I said before I join, I wanted to see what the single girls in the agency look like. I was given a binder of women 30-34 years of age. In the binder were pages of women. At the top of the page, in about 1 inch high letters was the girl's name, then below that a 2"x3" photo of her and below that 3 or 4 paragraphs that she wrote of herself. I started looking, when I got to page 7 or 8, I noticed the name Heidi. I took a good look, and it was her. I quickly scanned her paragraphs. I remembered a phrase of one sentence, it read, “34 years old, never married, no children.” I thought how could this be? I knew of three men who wanted to marry her, and in the 12 years that had passed there must have been more. How was it possible she never married given all the advantages she had? What dating parameters did she employ that failed her so miserably that resulted in her being never married given all the physical advantages she had?

In a social setting, if she were not the most desirable girl, she certainly was one of the more desirable girls. And I am here to tell you Heidi could have had absolutely any man she wanted, and I mean absolutely any man. If a poll had been taken by the single men in the complex of who would be most likely single at the age of 34, I am here to tell you Heidi’s name would not have been at the top of the list. What had she done with her life? How was it possible she never married? Did she think at the age of 34, she would have a bigger and better selection of single males than when she was 24? I suspect in her 20's, she had a male qualification list as long as her inseam, and if a male were lacking any one of these parameters, he was immediately rejected. She kept saying no to men, until there were no men to say no, to.

I also suspect that all during her early years, she was used to getting plenty of male attention, and assumed her future would be like her past. Why would it change? In her years 17-26, she most likely was the crème de la crème of women. But as she entered her late 20’s, much to her dismay, there were lots of younger girls, many prettier and more approachable, meaning shorter. At 5’11”, she was taller than 99% of the women, 80% of the men and at 28 years of age, older than 90% of both men and women in a single’s bar. She stood out like a sore thumb due to her height and age.

How her story ends? I don’t know. I didn’t join the dating agency. But it was Heidi’s actions and Heidi’s actions alone that made her single. I bet never in her worse nightmare, did she ever think she would be childless and single at the age of 34. She wasted her youth and fertility using extremely flawed dating parameters that she created and imposed on herself and refused to change in spite of years of obvious failure. I can’t say for sure, but I will bet a dollar to a dime, she was a heightist, which made her prospects to find a man even harder.

Updated 11-5-2019 by OP I had been looking at other sites concerning dating, and I discovered the term, Alpha Widow. An Alpha Widow is a woman who pursues Alpha males into her mid 30’s but does not catch them. This is my best guess as to what happened to Heidi.
I worked for an Oil Company, and Heidi worked in the oil business, as well. Once a year, OTC is held in Houston. This is where any company who has anything to sell in the oil business comes to show their products. I would get free passes to attend OTC and the various parties that happened at night. The weekend before OTC, the big dogs of companies would rent out beach homes in Galveston. In these beach homes, were high end parties, and only a few selected elite were allowed to attend. I was not high up in the OTC social order, but I remember Heidi telling a few people, at the pool, she had attended OTC parties in Galveston. She was associating with Alpha males of the oil business. I think she was an Alpha Widow, and why she was single at 34.

You know... at the risk of sounding like I'm tooting my own horn-- at every age of adulthood, I have always had my shit together.

Have I ever had bad years? Sure I have. But even during my worst years, I still had a lot of advantages. I never worried about paying a bill. I never had an arrest record or a bankruptcy or some kind of blacklisting or scarlet letter upsetting my existence. In some ways, I've been pretty lucky in life.

Hell, I've never gotten worse than a speeding ticket and that was only one time... I was driving a carless fat chick to her graduate school admissions interview and we were late. The whole story is pretty pathetic, actually. Not even a good car chase or a spike-strip involved, I'm sad to say.

By and large, when I interview for a job, I am accustomed to getting it. Not getting the job feels exceptional, even though the rejections probably outnumber the job offers. When I want to make a major expense or if an unexpected bill pops up, I have always managed to pay it in full without feeling the pain after. When life throws me a curveball, I have always managed to deal with it in some way, not always happily, but always managing to find a workaround or a compromise where half a loaf is better than none....

....so, yeah, I'm not too impressed by this woman's anguished bleating.

Such men do exist, but they're not tall/hot/flashy enough to be swiped right on. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that this chick would take one brief look at me, and forget about me 2 seconds later.

There are no men... in the same boat

And why should they be in the same boat? They don't have a woman to badger them to make tons of money to buy crap for the woman she doesn't need. Sounds like they're doing just fine. I'm glad you left them alone.

Both were really nice, kind men

But that's not what you want, is it?

I'm so tired and sad

Heh, wait until 20 years from now.

I'm now living alone, and I enjoy my life

Oh, so you're not a tired and sad victim anymore?

I just want

You will never be satisfied with any man. It's not a man's job to make you happy, and he certainly cannot do so by being "in the same boat" by meeting your financial or lifestyle standards.

The fact is, you don't know what you want, and like most women must be told. The nice, kind men you had the privilege of meeting are easy to please and would make great husbands. You are not worthy of them.

My wife considers it an honor to help me with things on your list, because that's literally her job in life. And she is not tired or sad. And for the record, I make well under $30k a year, so it's not about "having my shit together". It's about her attitude toward a man she is truly thankful for.

Sorry 304, but times have changed, men have learnt that women who wasted their best years on hook-ups are not worth wifeing up, and that means that you get to remain strong and independent for the rest of your life.

oh you feel overwhelmed, do you? Well, soon you'll be feeling rather underwhelmed. Trust me on this.

I think this is a good example of a woman reaching the epiphany phase because of The Wall. 30 is in a year and that means you cant say you are in your 20s trying to figure things out anymore. Now is the time to get a man, marry and have kids but this is an example of how she blew it in her 20s and now 30 is here the desperation and panic is setting in. It's actually hilarious how the power dynamic changes as women age. They think their good looks last past 25. Then suddenly they hit their 30s and realize no man wants to be with them. It's the ultimate karma.

She is going to regret the 2 good men that wanted her at some point. She is entering the phase when no good man will look at her. She's made the mistake of confusing "most men in their thirties" with "most men available to her in their thirties".

Women today don't choose men because they "have their shit together", at least not when they're young and attractive. They only start to care about that when their looks no longer give them the leverage they expect.

Case in point; this woman.

Most men in this age group seem somewhat depressed, and just plain unmotivated.

You would be too if you were expected by society to marry a 30+ year old woman like, well, you. And/or they spent the last 10+ years dealing with women that like you probably ended up single for a reason.

They happy ones are those that realized that they don't have to conform to expectations and deal with your shit. So they naturally were able to regain the motivation to do literally anything else other than show up on demand to be your workhorse/retirement plan/trophy man.

Speaking of retirement, you have 3 decades and change left of life expectancy, better get to saving up.