bottom line, up front: all faces must be obscured, and any text within screenshots must have at least some of the text which makes the screenshots relevant to WAATGM underlined, circled, or otherwise highlighted.
Some of you may have noticed that @polishknight's recent post, the one titled "Also unlucky in love and life. 44F here and always thought I'd be a mom." is currently missing as of my writing this. [Side note - all comments will be are now restored once now that polishknight reposts has reposted with the newly-censored image. ] After much discussion among the WAATGM mod team and the trp.red/forums.red admin team and lawyers, we decided it was best to remove it as it originally was and make some changes to the website's content policy and WAATGM's rules.
This is in response to a situation that can be briefly described thusly:
1) Dumb bitch shared a bunch of shit publicly on reddit.
2) Polishknight took screenshots and made collages of them for 2-3 posts.
3) dumb bitch doesn't like what she sees and complains to WAATGM modmail and to reddit admins.
4) reddit declared a photo that she shared publicly to the internet and in which she was wearing a sweatshirt to be in violation of a rule against "sharing intimate or sexually-explicit content of someone without their consent" and removed his post and permanently suspended him from reddit, despite his having zero prior warnings or suspensions.
5) it seems that reddit's overreaction emboldened her, because she said:
As the photographer and author of the original content (photos and text), I own the copyright to that material. When I post content on Reddit, I grant Reddit a license to use, copy, and share my content. However, I retain ownership of my copyright.
Since u/polishknightusa has taken screenshots of my posts and shared them outside of Reddit without my permission, this is also a copyright infringement onwww.forums.red
Do you know of any moderators that I can contact at Forums.red to ask them to remove the post with my photo on it?
We're putting Reddit's ridiculous, downright preposterous stance that a photo of a woman in a sweatshirt is somehow "intimate" or "sexually-explicit" aside for now, as that's beyond our control.
My initial thought was to tell her to go fuck herself, because generally once you voluntarily share something to the internet, it's fair game.
However, it turns out she's partly right about copyrights while still being mostly wrong. I was wrong in thinking that one had to register written works to have a copyright. From copyright.gov:
Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration.”
However, there is also something called "fair use" which is protected under the First Amendment of the US Constitution, which is concerned with parody, education, and commentary. From a different section of copyright.gov:
How much of someone else's work can I use without getting permission?
Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances. See, Fair Use Index, and Circular 21, Reproductions of Copyrighted Works by Educators and Librarians.
I've also done some reading of the Fair Use Index, but I'm done linking and quoting for the moment. Who knows, I might edit more in later.
To summarize what was several hours of discussion taking place over a few days, here's how we're covering our asses to make sure we don't get shut down and that we can continue our discussions in which we educate and entertain each other:
Works covered under "fair use" have to be transformative in some way; one can't just reproduce the original verbatim.
This leads to our requirement for the underlining, circling, or otherwise highlighting portions of text. Due to WAATGM's requirement that the full story is included in screenshots (to prevent accusations of selective cropping and taking things out of context), without those highlights this would be a reproduction in full.
The comments section on its own isn't good enough to claim commentary; the screenshots in the OPs must be altered somewhat, and in a manner conducive to the sort of commentary we're doing.
As for the faces in photos being censored, this is due to doxing concerns. Yes, the Karen who spurred these changes shared her photo publicly and voluntarily in a subreddit with way more subscribers than ours, and with a much greater likelihood of having creepy stalker types in it than ours. Well, just like my writeup about why we started requiring censoring of children's faces in the OLD profiles of irresponsible single moms: sometimes other people's irresponsibility becomes our problem.
Old posts that don't meet these requirements are grandfathered in. If someone reaches out to us about a photo of theirs in such a post being uncensored, we'll deal with that on a case-by-case basis. edit - site owner/admin @redpillschool was able to go through our back catalog and censor all faces, so this won't be a problem.
From this day forward:
censor all faces
underline, circle, or otherwise highlight any text that makes your post relevant to WAATGM
One last link: the content policy for trp.red and forums.red, also updated to reflect new requirements
The rules on the sidebar (both here and at reddit) will be updated to reflect these changes eventually. Believe it or not, our mod team does have real lives off the internet.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago Stickied
Tagging all WAATGM mods, including those who haven't been active in a while, to make sure all of you see this.
And if one of you who still has access to reddit could crosspost this, I'd appreciate it.
@aldabruzzo, @deeplydisturbed, @goodmansaysfuckyou, @houseoftolstoy, @Impressive-Cricket-8, @kevin32, @Land_of_the_losers, @Loneliness-inc, @lurkerhasarisen, @MelkorHimself, @moorekom, @ogrilla99, @sleepyweaselisawake, @woodsmoke
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1mo ago
Posted on Reddit. I distinguished it as a mod post and disabled comments. I tried to sticky it but I don’t know how to do that from my phone.
I might suck at the internet.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1mo ago
Reddit changed it on mobile for what seems like a few days. Even on t/TheRedPill i couldn't find the sticky option and it was changed to community highlights of something stupid. I just checked reddit again and it looks like the sticky post option is back
Not sure i just noticed I had a similar issue the other day I never had before as well
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
Thank you
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 1mo ago
It's been stickied (is that a verb?) now.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
Yes.
Present: please sticky this.
Past: it's stickied.
Past participle: it has been stickied for a while already.
Past redneck: I done did stickied it.
Jules 1mo ago
Past Flanders: I diddlydee-stickledied it
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
stupid Flanders!
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 1mo ago
Thank you. English is supposed to be a rather simple language to learn, and yet I find a snag from time to time. And that's not even considering whatever passes for english on the internet these days.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
It is?! I'm a native speaker, and that's news to me!
Hardliner for grammar, diction, punctuation, etc that I am, I didn't even realize you were an ESL dude for the first few months you started contributing to WAATGM.
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 1mo ago
It certainly is, compared to the romantic languages. Every person (I/you/he/we/you/they) will have the verb with a different ending, while in english all you have is to do is add an S for the third person singular; the few exceptions to that are maybe counted on one hand. And there's no accentuation in english - have you tried reading french?
Thanks, man. I've been learning english since I was nine, so it's been a while, but there's always something new to learn. Grammar can be a pain, but I'm something of a sticker for the rules, and reading/writing just feels wrong elsewise.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 1mo ago
I had no idea you weren't a native speaker 'til just now. Which may be a consequence of me not paying sufficiently close attention but, regardless, I'd say you've stuck the metaphorical landing.
@Typo-MAGAshiv
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1mo ago
By trying to be smart she made it harder to go after everyone via improvements to the format. Well done lady. Don't go for the King and miss.
By trying to scalp a single user she probably preserved the sub
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
I don't think that was her goal. I think she just didn't want people making fun of her.
Reddit, however, opportunistically went after one of our most prolific contributors under some incredibly ridiculous pretense.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
Especially since the overwhelming majority of content posted on Reddit even in approved subs is in violation of the rules they cited.
And now people can still make fun of her and there is little she can do about it.
You know, other than not insisting on being stupid. Which she apparently won't do.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
That was a big part of our discussions which led to these updates to the content policy and forum rules.
Hmm. All those bloopie and feminist subs who posted screenshots from WAATGM....
Edit - I should clarify: as far as I know, reddit was never concerned with and never said anything about copyright concerns. They ran with the lie that the photo of her in a sweatshirt was somehow "intimate" and "sexual".
The stuff about copyright was all her.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
And I certainly stand by my assertion that such a photo would only qualify as so if one was the sort of degenerate that couldn't get laid in a women's prison if they had a fist full of pardons.
So I guess that's why the Reddit admins had that take.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1mo ago
I'm sure she didn't want people making fun of her but she falsely reported him for something that would have delivered him the maximum reddit penalty short of inciting violence or posting CP.
She went straight for the sharing intimate imagery without consent. I find it hard pressed she didn't know what she was doing
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
The only people who know what she reported him for to reddit are her and whatever fatass tranny-thing admin took her report and suspended polishknight.
As much as I despise her for damseling, let's stick to what we actually know: that she's an overgrown child who won't stand by her words when she receives criticism for them.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1mo ago
Perhaps im confused then. I take it the report he received is a direct indication of how she reported him? Is that not how it works?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
Nope.
My permanent suspension came when I reported fatty for harassing me.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1mo ago
I seem to recall a comment I made in WAATGM about slut shaming a few years ago that was reproduced in full by one of the misandrist subs for the sole purpose of getting the gals all riled up.
I wonder if I have a case against them.
Just kidding… the rule is only applied in one direction.
Not that I mind, of course: they did a far better job of dropping truth bombs on a hostile audience than I ever could have. Their attempt to criticize me got far more views than my original comment; thus my exact words seen by precisely the people who most needed to see them, whereas they would have otherwise been completely ignorant of them.
The delicious irony is that by reproducing your ideas in a venue where you don’t have a voice, your ideas get into the venue. It’s like the “Streisand Effect” for ideas you hate.
Doxxing aside; if you’re butt-hurt about people reproducing what you post, it’s probably because you’re ashamed of yourself. If you’re okay with it, it’s because you stand by what you said.
This woman is butt-hurt, which tells us about her mindset.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1mo ago
Her post ironically got more truthful feedback on WAATGM than wherever she posted it honestly. That's also another unintended effect as well.
She could have looked past the butthurt and realized she got some hard truths but she won't.
Yeah, she ignored the main rule of posting, if you wouldn't want it on the front page of the New York Times don't post it publicly (or privately is usually the advice that quote is meant for)
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
That was one of my favorite things I've seen from you. I still have a screenshot of it somewhere like an old phone. You really got their cum-stained panties in a twist! And unlike me, you weren't even shitlording. You talked to them like adults, and told them to start acting like adults.
How misogynistic!
consistency is a tool of the patriarchy!
zing!
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
I'd like to read it. Can you provide the URL to the post and I'll search it?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago Stickied
He deleted it, like he does most of his stuff on reddit.
However, The Red Archive comes through as usual.
LOL, and here's where I reposted it later on to continue laughing at the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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redpillschool Everybody tag him 1mo ago
You know FYI we have an archive of your sub and our search works.. https://www.forums.red/p/whereareallthegoodmen/298014/tell_everyone_here_that_you_re_an_straip_without_directly_sa
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
Yes, but lurker's comment is missing. I'm guessing it's because he deleted it at reddit before you started your archiving here.
redpillschool Everybody tag him 1mo ago
that's gay
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
You're gay!
Take it up with @lurkerhasarisen for deleting all his stuff on a reddit like a fag!
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
I'd meant to message you about that months ago but forgot.
That last big update all those months back seems to have caused a bug in which when we try to submit a comment, it just hangs there until you refresh your browser.
redpillschool Everybody tag him 1mo ago
well shit. fixed now
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
You had it fixed before I even submitted that one!
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
Hey, you fixed it already
I wish I'd messaged you all those months ago
One of these days, I'll stop procrastinating.
You know, when I get around to it.
@redpillschool
redpillschool Everybody tag him 1mo ago
Too lazy to tag me? Now that's a new low!
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
I know, right?
Better make up for it now.
@redpillschool
Justanaverageguy 1mo ago
So how come pages like “are we dating the same guy” allowed to post men’s pics whom they don’t own the copyright to? Seems like she just opened up a huge can of worms
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1mo ago
Silly rabbit… anything that benefits men or disadvantages women is misogyny, whereas anything that harms men or benefits women it’s equality.
Shoot… the same thing can be misogynistic one moment and equal in the next depending on the circumstances. It can even be both simultaneously for two women standing next to each other.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
consistency is a tool of the patriarchy!
Check your privilege, you misogynist!
Anyway, didn't some dude recently win a libel lawsuit against such a group?
CC: @lurkerhasarisen, @Vermillion-Rx
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1mo ago
Because those hacks private their pages on Facebook so you have to get whitelisted into them. It cuts down on the amount of people that can infiltrate with burners since they look at your profile before accepting you (unless they have this outside of Facebook and i just don't know about it)
It isn't wide out in the open like WAATGM but honestly yeah she just opened a can of worms if people want to go get their photos taken down from these places (as long as it's their photo I'm not encouraging brigading with false reports of ownership).
Some guy made a post on this site a while ago infiltrating a are we dating the same guy and he suggested DCMA copyright takedowns and got stuff removed. Guys have been doing that against these female spaces already actually
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
One of the Carol's I'm have for a future post says she cyberstalks ALL the men she meets in OLD including looking up their housing records and so on and then if the date goes bad, she posts it to AWDTSG (are we dating the same guy) which is obviously a form of harassment to get some guy blacklisted.
I recall when I first stumbled upon this forum on reddit was that it was a mirror of Nice Guys which does similar to what this does: Post material from men and make fun of them as supposed "nice guys" who get bitter when they're rejected. I even read NiceGuys for a while because it was interesting to read their perspective on how ridiculous men could be and sometimes they had a point except rarely did these men self-describe themselves as "nice guys" and then reveal their bitter side.
Mostly, it was the men getting frustrated after hitting on women, repeatedly, and not getting anything to show for it and that's a human reaction. It also begs the philosophical question: If a society rewards "badness" and punishes "niceness", will genuine "nice guys" eventually turn "bad" out of self-interest and is that a black mark on them?
I'm reminded of this wonderful line in Monty Python's Life of Brian: "Oh, it's the meek! Blessed are the meek! Oh, that's nice, isn't it? I'm glad they're getting something, 'cause they have a hell of a time."
On the other hand, the aging women featured here are often bitter due to them NOT being nice to men and instead entitled and even cruel but relying upon their high sexual market value to get away with it and then either confused, bitter, or both when their situation changes.
For NiceGuys who are bitter, including myself on this 30 years ago, it's a growth stage as you realize what you were taught by society and your own instincts aren't working and breaking down and then trying something new. You rarely get through the stages of grief without anger.
Maturity is the ability to better manage anger. I get stuck at the airport and I need to handle the situation. Can I interact with the people around me pleasantly despite the high pressure and disappointments I just experienced?
This worldview helped me to evolve in my 20's into someone who was able to find, "court", and marry a woman and start a family and stay married (knock on wood) 20 years now.
Although criticism alone is rarely helpful (like an accountant telling you you're in debt), the 44 year old woman here could perhaps still start a family if she TRULY desired. She's on a tight deadline and would need make a lot of compromises, but it's possible (although not guaranteed.). I'd be happy to advise her from the depths of my heart and life experience. I'm sure many here would as well.
Anyone who accuses me of misogyny, I respond with this: I compromised with women to be able to find one willing to marry me and start a family. I spend each day in my marriage doing my best to cooperate with my wife and to raise a girl to be a decent person and future mother along with enjoying her childhood. What did I want on Father's day? Only the privilege to take my daughter out for donuts, the park to play, and read a few books together. And I got it.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 1mo ago
Generally speaking, it's my experience most dudes don't want to be assholes, we've just learned we have to to get laid. I know a fair few MGTOW types who used to be pretty successful with women but eventually just got tired of "performing" all the time.
As for whether it's a black mark: economists are often wrong about virtually everything but they're correct about one thing. People respond to incentives.
Men want sex. Once we've learned the price women have set for it we generally go about meeting that in the most efficient way possible.
If you want better behavior out of men, raise better women. Simple as.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1mo ago
I ruminated on your point and thought of something (I hope) interesting: Imagine that there are "nice guys" who don't respond to the incentive (or lack thereof) and remain "nice guys" throughout their lives and ignored by such women.
These men then become the background noise nonetheless, most still haven't yet responded to incentives as you refer to them. They continue to right-swipe by the hundreds on women, even women beneath them, providing these women with massive validation.
We hear about how "the free market" is supposed to be responsive to incentives but I'm reminded of when someone goes into a store full of people, doesn't like the service, and says "This is the last time I'll be here!" and stomps out. It takes a LOT for individual actions to overcome market inertia. You're a PC gamer and dislike Microsoft Windows? Good luck!
In the meantime, we are going on a third generation of women who refuse to be incentivized by the stories of demanding aging inspins dying childless and alone.
All of this has made me re-examine my early adulthood belief in free market ideology.
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 1mo ago
I stand by adding ballsacks to chins in the future. But the censoring faces will probably be the most effective approach.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
I got a good laugh when you originally made that suggestion, but the face blurring is about doxing concerns (yes, even when the subject originally shared her own face in a subreddit that's much more likely to have creepy stalker types than ours) rather than copyright concerns.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1mo ago
Ugh. Stupid whiner.
The chick making a stink, I mean.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1mo ago
Thanks for doing this
ElliotPagesLeftTit 1mo ago
Decisions, Decisions. Do I use the Mr Poopy emoji or the Eggplant? Tough to decide, right?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1mo ago
Listen to your heart!