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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 6d ago
I’m thinking that “30s” is doing some pretty heavy lifting here. Late 30s is still “30s,” but the prospects of an attractive woman who was 29 a week ago and that same woman when she’s a week from being 40 are very different.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
My goodness, she never shuts up.
No, we do, we just don't want to hear you talk about it.
Sure you do. I'm not the one making videos ranting about how lonely and jealous I am.
The fact is, when you are with your "friends" who are married, you feel inferior because you are. This makes you feel jealous because you want what they have.
The loneliness is deeper than they admit. This kind of woman cries herself to sleep every night for decades. They missed their calling in life and they know it, deep down. But they can never admit to that without qualifications and cope.
Ok, so what's the solution here? Maybe just stop hanging out with those married friends of yours who have moved on? Or maybe if we just "talk more" about how lonely you are, that will help?
Oh right, you're after attention and validation for your useless life. You want sympathy for your bad choices and missed opportunities, and praise for "building" your little house of useless cards.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
In an apartment complex that I lived in Houston, there was a loose knit collection of about 10-15 singles. We would meet at the pool on the weekends, and have informal parities. If one person knew of a singles event, they would inform the rest, and whoever wanted could attend. I even dated one of the girls in the group for a short time.
In the group, was an attractive girl named Heidi. She was a degreed professional in the oil business. And you couldn’t miss her. She was 5’11”, blonde hair, with blue eyes. Typical for a tall girl, she didn’t have much up top, but she have broad curvy hips and an hour glass waist. She, needless to say, she got the attention of single men.
One Saturday, I was catching rays and drinking beer with some of the other guys at the apartment complex pool, when one man I knew walked up to the group of us. He stated he had proposed to Heidi, and she had turned him down. He approached us in the off chance that someone might know Heidi and put the good word in for him with her. Months later, I was at my section’s pool of the apartment complex. There was a water polo game in progress, one man about 10 feet away me on my left, was playing boom box, and about 10 feet in the other direction were two girls from the group talking about how Heidi had rejected two other men's marriage proposals. I wasn’t getting all the details of the conversation due to noise at the pool and that fact I didn’t really care, so I don’t know if the two girls were jealous of Heidi getting the attention of these two men, or if these women were mocking these men as losers, due to Heidi rejecting them. But the point here is not only was Heidi getting the attention of single men, but marriage proposals.
Fast forward 12 years, one child and one divorce later on my part. A friend wanted me to join a dating agency. He would get a bonus if I joined, and I could join at a discount. I said before I join, I wanted to see what the single girls in the agency look like. I was given a binder of women 30-34 years of age. In the binder were pages of women. At the top of the page, in about 1 inch high letters was the girl's name, then below that a 2"x3" photo of her and below that 3 or 4 paragraphs that she wrote of herself. I started looking, when I got to page 7 or 8, I noticed the name Heidi. I took a good look, and it was her. I quickly scanned her paragraphs. I remembered a phrase of one sentence, it read, “34 years old, never married, no children.” I thought how could this be? I knew of three men who wanted to marry her, and in the 12 years that had passed there must have been more. How was it possible she never married given all the advantages she had? What dating parameters did she employ that failed her so miserably that resulted in her being never married given all the physical advantages she had?
In a social setting, if she were not the most desirable girl, she certainly was one of the more desirable girls. And I am here to tell you Heidi could have had absolutely any man she wanted, and I mean absolutely any man. If a poll had been taken by the single men in the complex of who would be most likely single at the age of 34, I am here to tell you Heidi’s name would not have been at the top of the list. What had she done with her life? How was it possible she never married? Did she think at the age of 34, she would have a bigger and better selection of single males than when she was 24?
I suspect in her 20's, she had a male qualification list as long as her inseam, and if a male were lacking any one of these parameters, he was immediately rejected. She kept saying no to men, until there were no men to say no, to.
I also suspect that all during her early years, she was used to getting plenty of male attention, and assumed her future would be like her past. Why would it change? In her years 17-26, she most likely was the crème de la crème of women. But as she entered her late 20’s, much to her dismay, there were lots of younger girls, many prettier and more approachable, meaning shorter. At 5’11”, she was taller than 99% of the women, 80% of the men and at 28 years of age, older than 90% of both men and women in a single’s bar. She stood out like a sore thumb due to her height and age.
How her story ends? I don’t know. I didn’t join the dating agency. But it was Heidi’s actions and Heidi’s actions alone that made her single. I bet never in her worse nightmare, did she ever think she would be childless and single at the age of 34. She wasted her youth and fertility using extremely flawed dating parameters that she created and imposed on herself and refused to change in spite of years of obvious failure. I can’t say for sure, but I will bet a dollar to a dime, she was a heightist, which made her prospects to find a man even harder.
Updated comments 6/17/2021 from Reddit readers I had a Heidi in my family. One of my aunts while in her 20s and early 30s had plenty of marriage proposals but turned them all down for different reasons. This one was too short, that one was bald, this one didn't make enough money, this one isn't from a connected family, etc, etc. She thought because she was attractive the proposals would never end and "Mr. Perfect" would show up eventually if she held out. Well, as she aged the proposals started coming less and less until her late 30s when they stopped completely. She ended up dying all by herself. No husband, no boyfriend, no kids, nothing. Just her in that house by herself. Today my female cousins use her as an example of what could happen wherever one of their friends is being too picky with men.
At my 20th High School reunion one of my classmates had matured into a complete stunner. She was pretty in high school but at the reunion she was really phenomenal looking. A few weeks later I emailed her to let her know and she wrote back with a response that I've never really wrapped my head around. She thanked me for my "encouragement" which really left me puzzled. In hindsight I think she probably took the Heidi route and found herself pushing 40 with no husband, no kids and a damaged ego.
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
Looks like Heidi had enough money to raise a child without a husband’s help. If she had skipped the dating agency and gone straight to the sperm bank at 34, that kid wouldn’t have even been a buzzer beater.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1w ago
Do you think that the only thing a father provides his children is money?
Just because she might have enough money to buy a turkey baster-worth of sperm doesn't mean that's all a child needs in their life.
Here's the thing. Most women who say they want to be a mother (or men who say they want to be a father), want a child for their own ego gratification. They give no thought as to what they need to sacrifice to actually provide that child a good life.
In Heidi's case: regardless of how much money she might have, if she really wanted to be a good mother (to be fair, nothing in the story indicates that she wants kids), she would compromise on what she wants out of a husband, to find a guy who would be a good father to their kids. Not that they're always incompatible, but for many women they are: they want some flashy hawt dude who's exciting, and willing to jet set to random places around the world on a whim, blowing cash on stupid shit like expensive purses for his girlfriend, etc. Meanwhile, a father is someone who's almost by definition, boring: kids need stability. A stable home life, reliable, predictable parents, who spend lots of time with the kids rather than going out every night.
This is what guys like me mean when we say watch what women do, not what they say. You can say you want kids and to be a mother. But if all you do is chase tingles, then you're lying. If you prioritize a partner who's exciting and flashy and not great father material, over a more boring stable dude who'd be a great father, then your priorities speak for themselves.
So back to Heidi. Assuming she wants kids, the answer isn't to hold out until you're 34, hit the sperm bank to get knocked up, then raise a child by yourself. Maybe that gets you the cute instagram baby pictures that you really crave, but you're deliberately sacrificing your own child's happiness because you're unable to sacrifice your own, and marry a guy who would be a good father.
So no, I disagree that just because she has money, she's able to beat the buzzer despite her choices so far. The point of a buzzer beater is that it's the shot that wins the game. No one gives two shits if you hit a last-minute basket when you're down 20 points and destined to lose regardless. And that's her actual situation. Can she physically still have a baby? Yes. Hell, crack whores can pump out kids. Is she actually able to provide that baby with a good family life? No. And that's what matters. That's what winning the game looks like.
FWIW, she still has a chance at a buzzer beater: change what she looks for in a man, prioritize one who would be a good father and husband, get married, have children. Do it before her fertility goes away, then spend the rest of her life raising that child well. That's an actual buzzer beater.
Also, I find it telling that you think her best option here is to go to a sperm bank. At her age, she can still get knocked up naturally. Are you saying her decision-making skills are so poor, and her taste in men is so bad, that choosing a random donor out of a catalog is better for her, than actually choosing a man in real life and having his baby? Those catalogs are usually (I'm assuming) nothing but a few characteristics (height, weight, hair and eye color), and maybe their job. They don't say anything about his temperament, personality, or anything else. You can literally get more information about a man by chatting him up for 30 seconds at a bar. And yet women will choose the sperm donor over finding a guy. That says less about the number of "good guys" there are (as if men who choose to donate sperm for a few bucks are somehow "good guys") than about how bad a woman's ability to know a good man when she sees one, is.
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
She doesn’t have to cohabit or coparent with a sperm donor, so just choosing the best genes is appropriate in that scenario. Sperm banks also don’t care if she’s 34 instead of 24.
In real life, most men who want children won’t date a 34-year-old woman to get them. She also has to weigh each available man’s values, temperament, family, lifestyle, etc. on top of his genes because they have to spend their life together. Even divorce requires coparenting. Some men may lie that they want to marry her or change their minds for their own reasons, and then she would lose her fertility.
The dating agency was perfect if she wanted a DINK relationship.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1w ago
Sure, a sperm bank doesn't care. They're selling sperm. And what happens afterwards (whether you conceive, carry to term, have a healthy baby or one with lifelong disabilities, etc), they don't care. So of course age isn't an issue for them. Whereas a potential father who must weigh those considerations because he'll be dealing with the consequences too, might make a different decision.
And what does best genes mean? You're literally looking at height, attractiveness, and perhaps eye and hair color. Everything else that genes might code for, you're not getting from a donor bank catalog book. These are things you can judge before you even talk to a man in real life.
And regarding most men won't date a 34-year old woman. False. Lots of men will, especially if she's still attractive. Many of them would even make excellent fathers. It's that most of the men whom she would want won't date her. So yes, she should have given up her cock carousel life in her mid-twenties and settle down for someone a little more stable and boring, if she wanted to have time to find such a man, get married, have kids, etc. before she became too old. These goals require time. Starting when you're 34 isn't smart.
And regarding divorce: you're betraying your own mindset, prioritizing her over her child. if she had set aside at least some of her own wants (not saying she has to sacrifice everything) to prioritize what her children need, then even if it led to divorce, there's a good chance that her children might still have a decent relationship with their dad. Heidi might not like the entanglements of an ex-husband, but what about her children?
Sure, there are genuinely abusive fathers whom children want to completely cut out of their lives. And in a divorce, they'd still have that option. But plenty of kids with divorced parents are glad for whatever relationship they have with both parents. So you're saying that, this person's ability to choose a life partner is so poor, that it's literally better for her child to not be subjected to the father that her mother would have chosen?
Bottomline, you're viewing having to weigh available men's "values, temperament, family, lifestyle, etc." as some sort of problem. Whereas in real life, that's the entire point of looking for a relationship. And that's basically the whole point of this forum, in a nutshell.
Even DINKs still have to live with each other, depend on each other, etc. And if a woman like this, apparently attractive enough to have numerous men propose marriage in her youth, finds it too hard to find a good man who would make a good father, then that's the real problem, and it rests entirely on her, not on men. And the solution is to do the hard work of changing your priorities to align with what you say you want, not falling back on a sperm bank.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
If Heidi had used her brain, she would have discovered at the age of 28, she needed to change her dating parameters. But NO! That would be taking responsibility for her dating failure, which woman will never do. She: If I keep holding out for Prince Charming, he will show up, just like the other 2 posts attached to my post. I have another post from a woman named Paula, who wasted her life,too.
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
My point was that Heidi didn’t waste her fertility at 34. Even if she waited for marriage through the dating agency, she could still get a buzzer beater.
Were any of the three men dating Heidi when they proposed marriage? Doesn’t look like they did from what you wrote. Only an extremely desperate woman would accept a marriage proposal from a man she never dated.
Treadmill Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
I don't see why any of what she mentions should come as a surprise. The freedom of not having to answer to anybody is what women wanted. The fact that she can be a single woman in her thirties, afford to live on her own and not need to answer to any man other than her boss (who may be a woman) is the entire point of feminism.
The expectation to not need other people is clearly a harmful delusion. We know that, at least on some level. We see it even in children's TV-shows were the power of friendship always triumphs over the antisocial villain who only cares about herself.
And yet young women are taught to act like they are beyond this basic human need for companionship. I feel equal part pity for them that they fell for this, and a desire to gloat over them receiving karmic justice.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I’m thinking to myself how well how these awful women get their comeuppance. Note half of her videos are with her friends and relatives children as “aunt”. That’s like a woman being a bridesmaid but never a bride or looking at all of her friend’s engagement rings. Sure she can go on trips but she’ll be lonely.
There’s the scene in godfather 3 where Michael confesses his sins including muttering his brother and he’s in tears and the cardinal says: “these are terrible sins. It’s good you suffer but you are beyond redemption.”
IceNineWithLime 1w ago
"Your sins are terrible. It is just that you suffer. Your life could be redeemed, but I know you don't believe that. You will not change."
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Although Godfather III was about as good as Robocop 3, I think it had a lot of great moments to it. While Sofia Coppola wrote and produced a great film, Lost in Translation, her acting/presence was utterly awful in this film. Andy Garcia was great, but he and Pacino couldn't carry the film on their own. They really needed some of the old cast from the previous films but I think they didn't have the budget for them. Pity.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Public service message: If you enjoy the content, please consider posting this link to the Reddit version of WAATGM since I cannot. It drives more traffic to this site, such as myself, and that's how the content creation happens. Please do your part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_7FaWnlhS4&t=10s
@Typo-MAGAshiv please help with flair if appropriate: Inspin or Single Woman tears?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
"Leftovers" all the way!
From the WAATGM sidebar brief on "leftovers":
@Kevin32's writeup on that flair when it was introduced.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I'm curious. Could I have posted this as weekday content? I thought she had to be looking for commitment?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
Bit of a stretch for that.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
Tag @redpillschool:
My old reddit link (https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/comments/787std/new_carol_unlocked_the_leftovers_a_formerly/) is automatically getting changed to a link to this forum post that we're already in.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I trust your and @Kevin32's judgement.
I don't recall her whining that she wasn't getting "decent" men anymore. What I think made her special is how she's slowly discovering, in literal middle age, that relationships are MORE than just casual sex with hot people, paid entertainment on "planned" dates, and status climbing but the value of companionship. If ONLY someone had talked with her about this in the past 4 decades but NOBODY does!
For many marriage minded men, that's literally what we sought and gave up all of the above in exchange for. I've seen some other women lament online about their lack of companionship but then they state they don't want to 'settle' and we know what that means. "I wouldn't want someone who unconditionally loves me as I age to somehow need me to give anything of value in return!"
It would be like the ending of A Christmas Carol with Ebenezer Scrooge realizing the value of Christmas but still refusing to "settle" on his tight-fisted philosophy.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
Excerpt from Kevin's writeup:
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Thanks. So this one certainly qualifies. Thanks to the algorithms for finding her for me.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I got precisely 6 seconds in before having a "Holy shit this woman has a face and voice that NEEDED to settle early and did not." reaction. Fukkin AI filter was probably making the phone melt it was working so hard, and the best it could do with what was on offer was making her resemble some sort of "Grey" alien with slathered on foundation and a wig.
MentORPHEUS TRP Endorsed 1w ago
I wonder if she thought "doing Coke" was supposed to be attractive? All that phenylalanine and aspartame isn't going to help her age further nicely.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Please don't diss aspertame. I have a model figure although I started out as a Tab drinker with delicious saccharin.Damn Coke CEO discontinued it a few years ago and I'm saving a can for my retirement party.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
That shit (aspartame) gives me a splitting headache.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I'm old school and love (saccharine) Tab cola but the dork CEO of Coca Cola discontinued it. I am saving a can for my retirement party but my daughter may steal it if she sees it in the back of the pantry.
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
What a well-crafted cocktail of Diet Coke poured over ice, “perfection” indeed. Nothing wrong with a simple drink, but don’t brag about it at first sip.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
I'd have guessed late forties! This woman may have remained thin, and kudos for that, but her face did not age well at all! I'm 46 and look younger than her.
IceNineWithLime 1w ago
Now imagine her without the make-up.
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
I also guessed over 40, but extreme thinness makes the face look older. She also has very thin lips, but some people also start out with thinner lips than average.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I half suspect meth use.
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
I strongly suspect prescription drugs which would explain the lack of alcohol in her drink.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
She seems a bit too well put together for that. The few meth heads I've encountered were all fucking messes.
But who knows? Maybe she's a functional meth head.
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
She left out "late 30s." The length of the video is, coincidentally, exactly the amount of time I'd be able to tolerate her voice and cadence in meat world. Completely annoying.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Judging by the depth of that turkey neck, she must be 39.999 years old, technically still in her 30's. She just had to get that out there before the big 4-0 and a group of cats shows up on her doorstep.
BobbingForBunions Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Me halfway through the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtC_wld3YJE