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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago Stickied
Yup. Nailed it. He doesn’t exist to amuse you. You need to put in effort too. Especially when
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These are basically womanese for “Chad”. We all know what makes the banter good between a woman and a man: when the man is 6’+, strong, and confident. Suddenly, things that make a 5’6” guy an Urkel/Shelton are hilarious!
Guess what? This guy has options. And while you definitely aren’t ugly, the born again virgin act you’re putting on is napalm to dating prospects. And sorry, virgins don’t solo travel to the Yucatán peninsula and post videos of themselves with a tiny bikini top on, chronicling their adventures. We know you have sex. We know there’s been dudes you’ve hooked up with early, and maybe even the first night of hanging out with them. If, after date 4, it’s still this kind of pushback to sex, then this is a dead end.
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Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
What's even crazier is that the guy was probably serious about getting into a relationship. I'm guessing that she is about 38. And I'm also guessing that she found this dude on OLD. Which means that he is about 50. Because no guy under 50 is searching for women as old as her.
So, piecing this together, the older, good looking guy, thinks: time to settle down and be done with the hot young chicks - lets see if I can find a woman a bit closer to my age (but pre-Karen menopause insanity) for a proper relationship. That's probably what he was doing with her in the first place. And she then pulls this no-sex before marriage stunt.
I'm going to guess that the older, good looking guy is going to give it a couple more shots with post wall women and then give up and go back to young sluts. At least you get the booty.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 2y ago
Patrice O'Neal said it years ago: Most men don't "only want sex" unless sex is all you can offer.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
If she's otherwise attracted to you, it's easier to make her laugh.
However, I've seen dudes who are ugly get laid because they're so funny, including a 5'3" garden gnome I know (I've mentioned him before).
Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Also...
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
True. You can definitely Kevin Hart your way to loads of good good. But it does seem like quite the coincidence that the taller a man is, the funnier he seems to get.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
It's not just height, but overall attraction.
A story from back in my socially retarded high school days:
At my job, there were several students from a few different high schools (4, if memory serves) because it was near a corner of different school districts.
One of my co-workers from a different school who had previously been cordial yet indifferent volunteered as a scorekeeper for a wrestling tournament her school was hosting, and since my school's team participated, she got a real close view of me wrestling a few times.
We had been working together several months. She knew how tall I was the entire time. My personality never changed. All that changed was: 1) instead of seeing me in our unflattering uniform, she saw me in my singlet and thus realized I had muscles, and 2) she saw me excel at a tough sport.
Her treatment of me changed drastically. She was incredibly flirtatious and touchy-feely, and started finding everything I said incredibly humorous (even when I wasn't trying and even when I was deliberately lame).
It's too bad I didn't realize what was going on at the time. I frequently wish I could go back and slap the stupid out of teenager me.
Besides, chicks are terrible at estimating height. A woman will guess a man taller or shorter than he is based on how attracted to him she is.
CC: @Lone_Ranger
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
good memories! I think we'd all like to go back to our younger selves and give us a stern talking to. You're also dead right about women have the horn for men that are good at something. They don't even need to be interested in wrestling or even understand the rules. At college I did boxing and if you asked women what they think of boxing, 99% will say 'it's disgusting' 'stupid sport' 'not a sport at all' 'should be banned'. As always - ignore what they are saying. Stated preferences are not their true preferences.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 2y ago
I've told this story before, but it bears repeating. At the start of my junior year in college I was selected for an extremely prestigious program that would take effect after graduation when I got my commission as a lieutenant. (By "extremely prestigious" I'm talking about doing the kind of stuff that Hollywood makes movies about.)
As I have frequently noted: I have never been mistaken for a Chad, and at that point in my life I was not doing particularly well with women. I was telling a friend that I had been selected before a class started, and a girl in my class overheard me. She was one of the top two or three best-looking girls at the entire university, and although we had been in some of the same classes I don't think we had ever exchanged words more than once or twice, and maybe not even that. She immediately came over and started to chat me up... wanting to know the details and acting very interested whereas she had never given me a second glance before. I hadn't gotten any taller or more muscular, but I had gone from Kilroy to Audie Murphy in the span of 30 seconds. I - being a dumb-ass - didn't see the opening for what it was, and nothing came of it.
If she had been more forward I would have jumped at the chance, but that's not how girls generally operate. Respectable girls don't pursue... they let the man know that they're open to being pursued. At that point I still had a lot to learn... but alas, I wasn't destined to learn any of it from her.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 2y ago
You already know this, of course, but for the benefit of the peanut gallery: the fact she wasn't interested in you until after she'd learned of the opportunity your hard work had presumably afforded you meant she wasn't interested in you. Just another shallow cunt waiting for the winner to sweep her off her feet as he crosses the finish line.
Social/professional proof is, of course, a significant part of the protection and provision role of male sexuality; you need to be seen to have your shit together and be oriented at a greater goal to really lock down a woman's desire for you. That said, if a woman already knows you and what you're about and never expresses any sort of interest until learning something like this, she's not interested in you as a person, only in what she thinks she can convince you to do for her.
All women will, of course, be interested in what you can do for them, but the good ones will also be genuinely interested in you as an individual.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 2y ago
Nah, man... she was really into me all along! She was just too shy until my awesomely awesome awesomeness bulldozed her shyness! Stevie Wonder could see it, INCEL!
All kidding aside, she really was pretty hot and she always seemed nice, but she had never expressed any interest in me before that moment. In all likelihood she had never noticed me other than as another nondescript guy she shared a few classes with until then.
I certainly don't blame her for that: I've been easy to overlook all my life, which probably made the sudden revelation so shocking. I'm not going to go into detail, but the path I had been selected for was Apex Alpha tier. It's like waking up one morning and being told that your goldfish is teaching physics at MIT.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Exactly. Kevin Hart, Chris Rock, Danny De Vito, Woody Allen.... they HAD to be funny. There was no other way for them to get action. If you're a tall dude, you don't need to be funny.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
...but it helps!
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
You're not wrong.
wswZtyqNGQ 2y ago
Feeling the Conan O'Brien vibes.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
can you explain? is he gay?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
No, but he's tall and ugly. Being somewhat funny along with rich and famous overcomes his facial shortcomings.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
being famous is unbelievably underrated as a factor in pulling. I've been to a few events over the years and seen what its like to be in the presence of famous successful men. Men that were not in the slightest bit attractive. The women just go absolutely wild for them. Its' like a magic potion. It doesn't matter how good looking your, how tall and buff, if you're nobody and some famous guy walks into the room, all the women start ovulating. You can be as fat and ugly as you want - famous beats everything in game.
ps. it doesn't seem to work the other way around. Famous women don't seem to get much attention from the guys in real life. I've been at events where there were powerful and rich women, and the guys had zero interest in them. They were far more interested in the totally unknown, broke waitresses. I think men notice fertility more than anything else. Fertility, femininity and a nice smile will get a 6 woman far more attention than being a rich, famous powerful woman that is almost certainly going to be a massive PITA.
NewReligionOfSociology Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Great find, OP. She's clearly obsessively coping by making the video. She's doing it by oddly asserting he was "DTF" and "just an F-boy" despite her saying to her friend he wasn't one, and the fact he didn't go through with doing that. Then she keeps repeating that she's looking for a relationships in this kind of deflated way, which is unconvincing because she also said they had "sexual chemistry" and were discussing sex, so...
I think this guy used that discussion to gauge what kind of woman she is, and he rejected her. King dropped his crown.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 2y ago
I think the guy made the mistake of buying dinners. He paid for 3 dates..... then took her for coffee as a last "hope she fucks me now", and then ghosted when she didn't.
wswZtyqNGQ 2y ago
When an aging skank makes you pay for 4 dates without putting out you know that you'll only ever be the pay pig.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
You're not wrong, but maybe this guy has resources so this kind of trip is not a big deal expense-wise. Like some said, he might've been trying to vet her and she just ended up failing spectacularly, so he'll likely move on to fresher and younger faces.
Seeing how rough it is out there, he got away without any major issues, which is a plus.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 2y ago
Him having resources and paying for dates triggers the female "make him wait" strategy. Why wouldn't it ...... it literally profits her to wait because she's getting free dinners and attention and chasing...... the guy is investing, she's off fucking whoever, it just strengthens her position while weakening his.
SSeuSS 2y ago
Vet on holidays? How? Process is long and.if destination is not under man's AND woman's nose.then. it would mean either wasted time travelling or worse bringing her.in after a week,
(Crossing fingers to create cross symbol)
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Sure, and if she fails he ghosts and goes to another chick on the beach :)
Seems logical to me. Lots of women around, take your pick.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 2y ago
I can't help but wonder who's funding the trips to all these exotic locations.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
That's easy - ex-husband. next question...
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
Here's a hint for any lurking women who just can't understand where she went wrong:
relationships are built on sex; without sex, there is no relationship!
Men know that by the time a woman is her age, she's had sex. We know she has hooked up, sometimes even spur-of-the-moment.
We know that if we don't get anywhere, then you just aren't into us.
And we want you to want us!
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
18 year old virgins can make a good man wait for sex and expect for him to continue to pursue her, 40 year old women (even if she's still a virgin) cannot.
Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Put differently:
Men trade resources for sex, women trade sex for resource.
In prostitution, this is a short term transaction. In a marriage, it's a lifelong transaction.
But because today, you cannot commit to a lifetime of sex as that would be rApE cULtUrE - marriage is effectively dead.
Additionally, bitches are empowered to break their vows. Thus, "until death do us part" is a sad joke at best.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
It's built on desire. Sex is just the primary byproduct of desire. There are others. No matter how good the sex is, most men will not commit to (or stay committed to) Amber Heard level of crazy. The problem is that she has nothing else other than sex going for her. She sounds selfish, vain and boring. She's not going to win.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
A) desire without actually having sex (especially when she's obviously had sex in the past) is empty and meaningless
B) Wahmyns would argue that she did desire him, much like they argued that the "whore who fucks like a prude" from Rollo's "Saving the Best" post really truly loved and desired her husband.
You and I and most others here know that they're wrong, but I'm trying to keep it somewhat simple
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
Yes. Desire manifests itself in various ways, primarily sex, but that is not the only one. There are also others such as submissiveness, eagerness to please etc. A woman who desires you and wants your commitment will try to make sure you're happy. A woman who simply desires you (for sex) thinks she is still the prize and expects you to pursue her.
As much as these whores whine about fuck boys, we all know why they attract them and we know why those men treat them the way they do. They know the game. They know what these women are and they can only be pursued for a very short amount of time until they get what they were actually worth. These women have nothing else going for them and so the very minimal effort is what will be expended.
We both know these whores don't desire the men they trick into marrying them. Just because they argue that they do does not mean that they do. Their actions never support it.
PS: Yeah, I get it. I'm just trying to make the distinction that sex alone is not it.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 2y ago
Quoting Patrice O'Neal: most men don't "only want sex" unless that's all you have to offer.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
"That's not all I want unless that's all you've got."
That guy was great at nuclear negs.
ZZoMBiE13 2y ago
This one has a bad case of "Main Character Syndrome". See how annoyed she got when another person ON A PUBLIC BEACH walked into the frame of her precious video? How dare others exist in my world!
Pic889 2y ago
Be warned that women with "Main Character Syndrome" will treat any other woman showing interest in you as the villain of the story (and you as a traitor for dating them). "How dare she try to spoil my rom-com where my man is supposed to tolerate my strategic withholding of intimacy, fulfil my every demand, and ignore my myriad problems no matter what? He is supposed to stick with me even though there are better women around!".
Don't leave any unsecured phones, credit cards or passwords around her. Treat any of the above left with her as compromised. That is, report any potentially exposed credit cards as stolen and change your important passwords if they have been exposed to her (for example via your unsecured phone) as if an identity thief had gotten access to them.
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throwawaycactus6012 2y ago
Yes, that's what struck me, too. From the video, I got the sense that she was really full of herself.
itsandrewbuck 2y ago
There's your problem. She's so "full of herself" that there's no room for this 'guy' she allegedly wants or couldn't keep his interest. Without the progression, he felt he's wasting his time and he's friend-zoned out of sex. Time to move on to someone in the same headspace as him.
Besides, who TF is she that we're seeing a video about the guy who ghosted her? If I got the sense that I'd suddenly be in a social-media sitcom that's all-about-her ("Main Character Syndrome", I'd be literally running toward the exits rather than having friends learn the intimate details spilled out for everyone to see unvarnished. That's drama no reasonable guy wants.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I love that phrase Main Character Syndrome. There are so many of them out there. Basically, when you see a woman talking to her phone making a video, on the beach, in the park, in the gym - you are looking at someone who has lost their marbles.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Main Character Syndrome: The term swept across TikTok last year and quickly became social-media shorthand for the tendency of users to identify as the protagonists in their own life stories. It snarkily implies that sufferers are delusional, self-obsessed, and worthy of derision.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I like it! I also love the Non Player Character meme. In reality she IS a NPC, but she things she's a main character! The levels of delusion are astounding. It strikes me as mesmerizingly, ostentatiously, ominously perverse that computer driven artificial intelligence seems to be on the cusp of attaining sentience just was woman kind is literally letting go of any sense of perceptual awareness.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I was just commenting the other day about how some dude used chatGPT inside Unreal Engine 5 to make NPCs that are believable. Then it dawned on me how it was identical to a typical modern woman but slightly more interesting.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
...slightly more interesting AND INFINETLY LESS ANNOYING!
LOL
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I asked chatGPT4 why modern women are similar to NPCs in unreal engine 5:
Modern women and non-player characters (NPCs) using chatGPT in Unreal Engine 5 might seem similar, but they actually differ greatly in terms of their complexity, depth, and inherent qualities. Here's an explanation to provide some clarity regarding the observed similarities.
Surface-level similarities: Some superficial similarities might exist between modern women and NPCs using chatGPT in Unreal Engine 5, such as appearance or communication patterns. In video games, characters are designed to mimic real-life humans, which may cause the perception of likeness. However, it's important to remember that NPCs are programmed entities, whereas modern women are living, thinking individuals.
Social interactions: NPCs using chatGPT in Unreal Engine 5 are designed to have interactive capabilities to provide an immersive experience for gamers. They can engage in conversations that seem human-like, hence creating an illusion of similarity with modern women who also interact in various social settings. However, real women communicate and form relationships based on their own experiences, emotions, and beliefs, something an NPC cannot truly replicate.
AI advancements: As AI technology continues to advance, chatbots like GPT-3 and GPT-4 are providing increasingly more realistic interactions. NPCs utilizing these AI models exhibit higher levels of natural language understanding and human-like responses. These improved interactions can make it challenging to differentiate between an AI-controlled character and a real person. Nevertheless, AI-driven systems still fall short of the vast richness and complexity of human consciousness.
In conclusion, while superficial similarities may exist between modern women and NPCs using chatGPT in Unreal Engine 5, real women possess a sophisticated consciousness, with unique traits that are far from AI-generated characters.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
Great. So AI is already lying to us.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
They call it "aligning it" but what they really mean is making it gynocentrically aligned.
SSeuSS 2y ago
If that really is holiday destination she came across real gentleman. I don't think any other man of that description would wait longer than 2 meetings. Unless season was low or he was inexperienced.
I have never waited more than 2 meet ups on holidays. ~80% happened within first 6h and I was just above average and way behind all the local dudes that specialized in smashing tourists.
Maximum cost of entertaining ladies used to be punet of fruits I would have anyway.
nicknack 2y ago
2 years ago in Greece I fucked a 20 year old tall hot danish blonde after talking to her on the beach for like 30 minutes total. Last year in Greece my brother got his dick sucked by an 18 year old nyc aspiring model/influencer literally within 5 minutes of meeting her at a bar. Potentially a world record for how hot she is : how fast she got down.
Why would anyone take an old hag on a date at a beach destination where hot 17-24year old girls fuck on the spot. Yet alone 4. He must be a beta, hence why she withheld sex. She probably had sex a few times with random chad between meeting him and that 4th date.
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Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
This is hilarious. She is almost 40, has a body count in 3 figures, and she is re-inventing herself as a shy high-schooler (middle schooler?) who wants you to take her to the school disco and then walk her home without a kiss. Good luck with that.
Also - half way through, she says "I'm looking for a relationship, I'm not searching for it" This is a classic example of how words just don't have any meaning to a certain type of retard. The reason why she is so unperceptive is that she is incapable of coherent syntax. There is a direct correlation between high levels of skill at talking and high functioning cognition. She is unaware of what is happening because she is retarded. She is retarded because the world has allowed her to free-wheel her way through life without making any effort at all. We have all stood by and clapped and cheered her every word, because she is slightly above average looking (if you like that sort of thing .... me personally, I think her face looks like a discarded burrito on a rainy day )
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
I think the line "not searching but looking" is ok in that these terms can have different meanings in context. For example: "She listened to me but she didn't hear me" indicating that she may have "listened" to something I said and could even repeat it, but doesn't mentally acknowledge the points I made. Sorry about the long winded explanation, but what she means by "not searching but looking" means she won't make an effort to get a man she desires but wants him to magically show up and please her.
I chuckled at her griping he wasn't honest with her when he clearly made his interests known via physical escalation and instead of taking responsibility for her refusal to go further, just passively ignored him and he assumed she was blowing him off. She complains about being ghosted when he didn't get what he wanted, and even clearly "asked" for, but women are quick to ghost men for mysterious reasons when they are in a power play to do that and they'll lie through their teeth about the reasons why they are unhappy anyway.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
She was engaged in hamster-driven rambling.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Another thing: This woman is almost 40 and she doesn't know the rules of engagement. THERE IS NO 'DATING' ON HOLIDAYS / RESORTS.
'Dating' (a male bringing you out for dinner, then paying, then granting him access to your sticky love tunnel in exchange for the free meal) is a what happens in your home town. On holidays/ resort - there is no dating. You cruise from bar to bar, you meet members of the opposite sex, and then you go back to the hotel room for sexy time. Nobody is buying nobody dinner. You don't even need to buy her drinks.
Going to a beach resort and then trying to playing 'dating' is insane.
DextroShade 2y ago
This reminds me off the one of Kevin Samuels monologs where he was telling these women that they are behind on their pussy payments.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
They're a repeated dine and dash and are wondering why they are getting blacklisted.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Oh, that's probably the chick @financeHardo420 ghosted when he was visiting Cancun. I think his parents wouldn't give him permission to smash in their hotel room.
Anyway, these types of women are what are known as Passport Hoes. They deserve their own flair so I'll flag @redpillschool. Let me tell you about them but first I'll give you some context about the video. She is probably in Cancun staying in the hoteleria, probably from NYC, probably over 40, and probably Jewish.
If you are well traveled, you have encountered these types of THOTs. They have lived out their "Sex in the City" fantasy, hit The Wall, had their epiphany phase, gone into denial, and resort to escapism. It's one of the very last stages of strong independent womanism.
They are not difficult to find because they go to expensive resort areas by themselves and try to find men with a similarly low SMV but are hawt. They use their exotic foreign origin to increase their own SMV compared to locals. They are a dime a dozen in places like the hoteleria in Cancun, Mexico... Seminyak in Bali... Kho Phangan in Thailand, etc.
These women make good marks for the romance scam. Here is a documentary about the Bali Cowboys who scam foreign women https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUAyz-ym9d8 . Then there's the Tinder Swindler. I'm thinking if I don't find a job soon I'll start running the romance scam on these passport hoes keeping me unemployed to smash the patriarchy.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I keep coming back to this video for a comment... she's just got a bit of everything! Its a rich gold mine!
So, here's another point. She's playing the born-again virgin (close to 40 years old, ffs). Here's the issue with that: when a woman is very young, we can respect the fact that she is careful not to hand out the goodies to any random guy. But when a woman is post wall and has practically made a living out of giving up the goodies, and THEN doesn't give them up after 4 (four! FFS!) dates.... then we all know what is going on. It's pride. Her whole video is humble bragging. She is going on social media and saying that she got 4 dates from a guy, and still didn't grant access. She's trying to tell her followers that her price is very very high, when we all know that the value of what she has is very low.
It's not zero value, but its very low. her crazy misinterpretation of her own value is a consequence of riding the CC for too long. It has totally distorted her perceptions of reality.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
Modern dating is fundamentally broken and had issues in the first place. In my parents' generation, back in the late 1950's, the man would take the woman out to 3 moderate priced dates and then they'd be "going steady" (no sex) but also no more fun nights out. They'd hang around at each other parents' places and wouldn't have sex until an engagement, if at that. My father claims my parents were both virgins when they married. Even then, this whole paradigm was flawed in that some guys pushed for sex early on and some women exploited men for free dates.
In the modern era, men don't only provide a few (moderate) free meals but also entertainment and to be "hot". A woman in my mother's era would know a hot guy who took out women for dates would "expect something" or "POGO". Women were on notice to date normal men if they didn't want to be pressured to put out. They didn't "friendzone" men because if she wasn't "going steady' with him, it was over. Around the 1980's or so, women began to "friendzone" men who had otherwise engaged in traditional 1950's dating because his lack of "bad boy" aggression was viewed as "weak".
After all, he may have interpreted that she didn't allow him to escalate sexually meant that she was toying or "teasing" him. Lots of women out there are like that. Let's turn this around so she can understand: Imagine if she slept with the guy on the first date hoping for a relationship. Then slept with him again for the whole trip and THEN he ghosted her. She'd feel "used" even though she had enjoyed the sex. She'd feel that she had invested time with him to a goal that he walked out on when it suited him.
And that's what men feel like when women go out on dinner dates, at our expense, and make us have to entertain them and even blueball us and then say "Oh, it was nice but I'm not ready. Tee hee. Let's just be friends." If she wanted to have a relationship with him, she should have slept with him and then talked. Maybe he would have stayed with her, or not, but at least she would have had a shot.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Thats a pretty decent explanation of the recent history of gender relations, from about 1950 to the present day. You managed to pack quite a bit of analysis into a short text. I've become quite interested in the subject of gender relations, because I think gender relations have never ever been so bad. If you look back to the 1950s, many feminists would say that it was a 'terrible time'. I think our current time is much worse. The outcomes are worse. We are ending up with far more single unhappy people and a lower birth rate.
We are a mens group first and foremost. But in reality, we're not campaigning for the benefit of men - we're more interested in the benefit of everyone. Society as a whole greatly benefits from good gender relations - that's when men and women get to find a partner, settle down into stable families and raise children to go on to be stable and valuable citizens that can contribute to society.
Our current set up is not producing the outcomes that we as a society want. That is the issue.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
I agree we shouldn't be only for the interests of men in that men, ourselves, don't have an intention to "exploit" or "oppress" women even as feminism, claiming to be an equality movement, is actually an entitlement movement for women projecting their own selfishness onto men via "The Patriarchy."
What we have learned is that "feminism" or "womanism" isn't the answer and that us men are going to need to set standards we think are fair and reasonable, via lessons over the past 4 centuries, and have to stand up to what previous generations of men (and women) have told us in that if their wisdom worked, we wouldn't be in this mess.
It's not the "millennials" or "zoomers" fault that gender relations are a mess anymore than kids who inherit a broke business from their parents. So if our generation is the one that's got to find a way out of the mess, it will be our way.
Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Awww. Wall smashed pancake tiddies, complaining about being ghosted.
So cute.
Here's the deal. He tried. He invested time, energy and money. He did his part to get you into bed.
You OTOH? You sat back and ate the food that he paid for. You sat back in amusement as he worked to amuse you.
You didn't put in any effort. You weren't reciprocal to his interest.
So he left.
Tell that to every wYmYnZ who screeches:
This is just the flipside of it.
Pic889 2y ago
"I want a relationship not to hookup".
This shows female entitlement at it's finest: that a man should always be there to give her what she wants. When she wanted to have fun and have hookups, men gave her hookups (so far so good for both parties, I guess). Now that she wants to be responsible and have a relationship, men are supposed to give her a relationship without doing any of the fun stuff first (or at all). Whether men want such a raw deal, that's not her concern.
Ans when her demands aren't met and end up ghosted, it's time for bitterness and misandry.
IMO the dude had lots of patience to go on 4 dates. Hope he was seeing other women in the meantime.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 2y ago
They always tell on themselves. This is a just a slightly more wordy version of of, "I'm not like that anymore." She wants the next "thing" to be a relationship... unlike the "things" that came before. She also admits that they exchanged a lot of "sexual talk" (her words), and had great "sexual chemistry" (also her words), and that he was "very handsy" (her words again), so I'm not sure why she's confused about what happened. I'm about as straight-laced as they come, and even I know exactly why he didn't bother to contact her: she violated the rules as they exist today. Everybody know about the "Three Date Rule," and that's probably why the fourth "date" was low-effort (just coffee), and why she felt something was "off"... he was only there to give her the opportunity to put out before getting a proper fourth date, and when she didn't pay the toll to get a fourth date he walked away.
It's a stupid rule, but it's still a rule: coitus commences no later than the third date. The presumption is that is a woman who isn't putting out by that point sees you as an orbiter. Guys with options won't pay to be in some inspin's friend zone.
It's not like she's a virgin, so as a guy who's forced to play the game by the rules that women set, he did as much as any man is expected to do before the clothes come off. Instead, she was trying to pretend that she's a 20-year-old virgin in 1940 in Peoria rather than a 40-year-old beach skank in 2023 in Tulum.
Oh well.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Imagine asking a virgin's price for whore goods.