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adam-l TRP Endorsed about a year ago
Women will divorce their children's father, or go single mother straight up, in order to have exclusive rights on the kids. That way, there's no one to set them on their course to independence, and she can count on THEM to take care of mommy, "who sacrificed so much for them" when she gets old.
Children as the substitute husband. A much more secure investment. It's the typical motherly abuse.
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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
Literally talked about this to a friend (female) last night. She was wondering how single moms can have such dismal employment and wage statistics and plan on retiring.
I told her that it’s easy. They turn one of their children into the husband. Now that poor sap gets to redirect their time and resources to mommy dearest.
There was a caller on “The Ramsey Show” a few weeks ago, whose mom wanted to rent a $3k a month apartment on a $30k a year income (aka: rent is more than her entire paycheck). Shocker: she was a single mom. Daughter was calling and hoping for advice on how to deal with her, ostensibly because she knows her mom’s plan is to hit her up for cash in the future. Or even to move in. Think about what that does to this daughter. She’s mid 20’s, the age to really start looking for a husband. Dude gets to know her, sees her mom is a financial basket case, and knows that thousands of dollars a month would be redirected from his family to support this woman. He isn’t signing up for that. This woman’s romantic life is ruined. And if she does have to support her mother, that’s money that won’t go into her retirement, into her home purchase, anything. Now she’s also set up to rely on others in older age, except that she doesn’t have the child to leech off of.
I also had a girlfriend for a short period. She was 36 (I was 33…first mistake, I know). Her mother was 70 and living with her in a 1 br apartment, with the living room converted to a bedroom. And they were pharmacists, so who knows where all the money went between them. But she was a daughter husband for sure. Everything was done with mommy dearest in mind. She lost out on home purchases because mom didn’t like them, or didn’t want to walk up steps, or so on. We are on a date? She’s texting mom. She also felt responsible for taking care of her mom in retirement. I’m taking this all in and deciding that being with this woman isn’t going to work out in the long run, because ultimately, mom is part of the package. I don’t want to take care of a tribe, I want to take care of a family that I’m creating.
Husbandification of kids is, IMO, the biggest example of abuse that single moms get away with on their kids. If your actions are damaging or ruining your child’s future, then you don’t love your kid. Plain and simple. You only love what they can offer you.
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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed about a year ago
Thank you for that! I saved it to email to a friend because your story is so touching and interesting. Certainly many single mothers exploit their kids for welfare or child-support, but doing it after the kid is grown and ostensibly thrown out of the nest to fly? I hadn't considered it possible.
As you point out, they both seemed to be a in profession that generated income but they were dysfunctional. She didn't get to the age of 36 unwed and childless because things went well for her and you were probably her last chance to have a family.
It seems quaint by today's standards, but check out the Soviet era film "Adam's Rib" about a single mother Russian family where the mute, bedridden grandmother lives in a room shared with the daughters and single mother and a boy falls in love with the daughter and gets her knocked up. He wants to marry her but she won't have any of it and plans to raise the baby in a spare nook near the water heater. I'm not making that up. This is a film from 1990.
Jordan Peterson said in an interview "Equal opportunities is good so why would I want to limit people's choices to do what they want to be maximally productive?" He should be strapped into a chair, Clockwork Orange style, and forced to watch Adam's Rib and listen to stories such as yours.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
Absolutely. I personally escaped from the plague of Parentification; my dad had major league substance abuse problems. He tried to emotionally manipulate my sister and I to essentially take care of him, from driving 45 minutes out of the way to give him rides places (often times when he knew I had a job that would have me out at 2 am or later), to playing psychologist for him perpetually. He’d call me drunk at noon while I was in college and get upset when I wouldn’t want to deal with him. He was a mess. I’m fortunate in that I was born heavily individualist (probably more of a depressed loner back then, but still), so I broke away from that before it got too toxic.
I also remember a caller to Kevin samuels. A Mexican girl named Elena, who actually seemed like a cool woman. She described the exact kind of Parentification / spousification I discussed. A single mom basically leaning into a child to provide financial and emotional support to her. And it was costing Elena her own chance at happiness in life. Kevin was wicked compassionate on that call, and you know he was hard on people frequently, so getting that reaction from him means that the story must have been that bad. But it’s parasitic, the time and resource that could go into a relationship that would benefit her in the long run, instead goes to her mother. And when Elena is around 50, mom probably dies, and then what? And how many Elena’s are there?
And arguably, it’s a bigger problem for men, because if a single mom needs a stand in husband, she’s way more likely to choose an actual boy. Here’s an article describing what is essentially emotional incest: https://www.yourtango.com/2017299056/is-he-mamas-boy-or-victim-emotional-incest.
The reason I really hate Parentification is because it absolutely encourages generational struggle. It’s basically a generational Ponzi scheme; generation 1 takes resources from generation 2 that could’ve gone to generation 3 and generation 2’s retirement, which means that now generation 2 must take resources from generation 3 that could’ve gone towards generation 3’s financial future and generation 4’s upbringing. And so on. You see this a ton in poorer cultures and communities; the expectation is that the younger generations will “pay it forward” by taking care of their parents in old age, and in turn they will be taken care of. This might’ve worked in pre-industrial societies, where the vast majority of people had to work until they dropped and they didn’t have “savings” or “investments”, and kids were seen as an asset because it meant cheap labor in the fields. But in modern, more urban societies, it doesn’t. There’s always a way to earn more money, to spend less than you make, and to save and invest. And also, someone is going to look at a potential mate and see that giant albatross that is their parents future liabilities hanging around their neck, and they’re going to look for someone else. And boom. Your legacy dies once your kid dies. You can draw a line from a single cell organism, all the way to you, from hundreds of millions of years, but your own selfishness means that the genetic lineage leading up to you is dead.
Not to mention the emotional abuse, born from a power imbalance. As a person, you are naturally deferent to your parents. After all, they’re the ones who raised you, guided you, and disciplined you. It was their leadership that you followed all the way until adulthood. So now they’re using this implied power differential to essentially manipulate you into a role reversal. The difference is, you don’t have the authority that the actual parent has; the parent is still calling the shots in your life, butting in on major decisions, and other things that pester an adult. So basically, you shoulder the responsibility without the authority. You’re an emotional and financial slave to your parent. While the parent is the equivalent to a tyrant; who cares if the plebes don’t want the tyrant’s rule, when all they have are pitchforks and the tyrant has tanks and F-15’s?
But yeah, huge ramble aside, this is one of the biggest reasons why single mothers are an absolute plague. Not all of them, there’s women who accept that they made a mess of a situation and are trying to make up for it. But many others take bad decisions made earlier in life, and make their children pay for it later in life. And it’s only going to get worse, since so many kids are being raised in broken homes in the current day.
And women like the one in OP? Prime example of a woman who could do this. Her sons will hit their stride in life, and mommy dearest will suddenly be tired of working so hard. She’ll be sure to remind them of how hard she worked to “give them a good life”, and boom, they’re taking out a HELOC to finance her in-law apartment that she’ll live in rent free.
Hell, I even know guys raised by single moms that are aware that they will be their mom’s retirement plan. Sometimes it doesn’t even take emotional abuse, it’s simply just a son or daughter saying “either I intervene, or they’re on the streets”. It’s sad.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians about a year ago
This is my wife's sister. There are three girls and my wife is the youngest. The eldest marred a pretty good guy when she was around 20, and they're still married. They've had some rough patches, but they seem content now. I wouldn't trade places with them for all the tea in China, but they're not train wrecks. They have a daughter who's married to a good guy, and they moved three states away to be near us and away from them. We all go the same church, but obviously there were so unhappy times in the past that drove them this direction. Things between them are semi-tolerable now (the physical separation helps a lot), and If my SIL outlives my BIL I think she'd be fine. If my wife outlives me she should be more than fine financially.
That middle sister, though...
She guy knocked up by Hillbilly Chad when she was 20. Kept the kid. Found a guy who was willing to be a stepdad, and they had two kids of their own. He has some quirks, but he's way better than she had any right to expect. Solid dude... whenever he's in my part of the country my door is open. Needless to say, she concocted a reason to divorce him after she cheated on him with his brother. Anyway, he found a woman who seems good for him, and my SIL ended up marrying a guy I can't describe because I'd have ban myself for breaking Rule #1. As bad as my SIL is, he's even worse.
It didn't last long, and now she's single again, working a couple of crappy jobs to keep food on the table and pay the rent on her tiny apartment, and no means of retiring... ever. The eldest daughter (the bastard) is the only one of the three to really "launch." She's married to a guy with a STEM PhD from an Ivy League school, and she has two masters degrees in education, and she makes bank as a special needs teacher. They have two kids (that they had after they got married... imagine that), and they're active in their church. They have already realized that when my SIL is too old or broken down to work, either they take care of her or she's going to freeze to death. (Did I mention that my SIL gets paid under the table at one of her jobs, and she was a SAHM for 20-ish years, so not only doesn't she have decent medical insurance or any savings, but she hasn't been paying into the Social Security system?)
My wife and my nieces are close (closer than either one to their parents), and when my bastard niece and her husband were house hunting they bought a place that was big enough to accommodate my SIL. She's sliding into 60, she doesn't particularly take care of herself, and the only reason she's not destitute now is that she flips burgers at a cafe in a town with 50 people.
Women like that have little choice but to hope that at least one of their children is "dutiful." Of the three kids my SIL has, only one has both the willingness and the means of rescuing her. They're already budgeting for it.
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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
Yeah it’s way less common for men. My grandfather was doing things around the house until a week before he died. Just naturally less dependent.
But yeah, I think modern, western women are just used to everything being easy from birth until, like, 35. Once men aren’t looking to jump through hoops in order to sleep with them, though, reality kind of sets in.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. about a year ago
This important comment got buried, so I'm sticking it up top for future and return readers.
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
We are going to see a spike of these instances in the future. Women need security and status like they need oxygen. Single mommyhood gives them victim points and a future hostage to extort.
adam-l TRP Endorsed about a year ago
I can understand it logically, but I cannot for the life of me wrap my mind around how they can have auch a superhuman capacity for self-deception. How they can enjoy "status" that they have just swindled out of others.
Oddest-One-Here 11 months ago
Because they're not men, they tend to need to leech off others to survive, but in the past they were also expected to reciprocate in return for the provision, well not anymore.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
Looks like her body is pretty good. Have to wonder what kind of dude she let finish the job in her 14 and 13 years ago. Or if she simply ran him off.
Either way, many questions to be asked here. But meh, don’t really care to ask them, I’ll pass.
Sucks for her. Could’ve had life on recruit difficulty if she went for the average looking guy in engineering school when she was 20 and not Chadius von Thunderschlong
No-Stress-Cat about a year ago
"Chadius von Thunderschlong"
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed about a year ago
Translation: I offer none of what I demand in return, nor an equitable substitute. My children are undisciplined brats and I need an unpaid babysitter for them.
Translation: I spent from puberty until now chasing philanderers, being the other woman, and getting pumped and dumped by liars and players.
Translation: I am looking for a man content to be maltreated as a lowly peasant, and who will pay for beach vacations and watch the kids in the hotel room while I get strange dick down at the beach, and otherwise be the retirement plan that I deep down know that I do not deserve.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp about a year ago
Her boys are already hitting their teens. If they haven't had a father figure in their life until now, they're basically screwed. Even if you come in as an awesome Dad, you will not reverse 12/13 years of single mother indoctrination, and by the time they hit 16/17, they won't listen to you anyway. Even if you wanted to rescue these children, you will fail; it's too late.
If she's been a single mom their entire lives, the time to look for a responsible Dad was 10 years ago. While they were still young enough to accept a new man as their father, and that father had enough time to influence their path. But of course, she was still in her twenties back then, and her need to "have fun" was a higher priority than building a good life for her sons. The only reason she's reluctantly changing now is because boys at that age are starting to become unmanageable. Even boys in two-parent families with responsible parents can be exhausting and difficult at that age. These kids are just a few short years away from truly awful outcomes such as dropping out of school, becoming criminals, joining gangs, knocking up some girl, etc. And now that those possibilities are starting to become real in her mind, she's desperately trying to find someone who can keep her boys from falling off the cliff that she's driven them to.
Yet even now, she can't bring herself to focus entirely on unfucking her sons' lives. Not willing to admit (or not caring about) the danger they're in, she still spends most of her bio talking about the stuff she needs from her partner. So the real question is: if even now their mom can't bring herself to put their needs first, why should you care about her sons?
Andre27 about a year ago
From personal experience Id say at that age there is still some chance of being able to accept a new guy as a father. Depending obviously on the guy but Id say something like 30-50% at best. Give it two or three more years though and there is no chance. But at 12-13 boys with a single mom will still want a father, a lot. Actually getting their respect at that age is the difficult part.
Even if they can accept the new guy however that doesnt mean he will be able to fix them. Certainly he could help somewhat, but they will always have some of that single motherhood hanging over them. And the only way they can get rid of it all will be on their own with dedication and effort over potentially the rest of their lives. A father figure that comes in at 13 years old might still be able to help them with that over the rest of their lives aswell but ultimately it will still come down to the boys themselves.
Even if they reach 15-16 though with just their mother they can work on themselves to improve. But it will always be difficult and falling into traps will be easy and common.
This doesnt even consider the fact that finding a man that can actually help the boys would be a herculean task for a 36 year old single mom. Possible as she does seem to actually take care of her body atleast but still a herculean task.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed about a year ago
Yup, I forgot to add it here, but I did insert this on the copy of my comment that shithole site:
We all know damn well her boys are hitting that puberty spike and without a disciplinary male influence they're going to be walking disasters waiting to happen.
wswZtyqNGQ about a year ago
Can you imagine the Herculean effort this woman has put into ignoring everyone, absolutely everyone, who desperately screamed warnings to fix up her own life to protect her children? Her mental blocks must be thicker than the Theodosian walls.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. about a year ago
It's frequently said all over the manosphere, but it bears repeating:
If you treat her like a queen/princess, she will come to view you as and treat you as a peasant/serf.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp about a year ago
If you're not her boyfriend, you're her girlfriend.
wswZtyqNGQ about a year ago
If you're not fucking her, you're her girlfriend.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
If you're not fucking her, someone else is.
deeplydisturbed FDS Dinner Donor about a year ago
I dated a woman once, and she was incredibly beautiful. Like swimsuit model gorgeous. Not joke no exaggeration.
We dated for about 18 months. And while she never asked me to babysit her children, I knew that if we got any closer, she would ask me to watch her girls while she went out to hit the carousel. That's just the vibe she gave off.
I enjoyed the shit out of that relationship, but she got frustrated because I wouldn't "commit".
It ended by me basically saying (different words): Sorry lady - I am not babysitting for you while you get pumped in a club bathroom. Unless I am doing the pumping, this relationship is over.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
May I ask why you were dating a woman that you suspected was getting it on the side?
deeplydisturbed FDS Dinner Donor about a year ago
Fair question.
It goes something like this:
Final Conclusion: I was the next stop on her CC ride. I enjoyed the shit out of that women in ways I cannot possible describe. She was and is amazing. But she is not wife material by any stretch.
It should also be clear that she is /was a single other. So I took that risk because she was that good looking.
I know she loved me, but you know what that really means. Her fee fees were all over the place.
10/10 would do it all over again. But I ended it for good reason. You have to cut shit off before it starts affecting you.
I did exactly that.
if you were to see her, especially naked, you would hate my guts.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
I know that type. It's intense as fuck for the first few months as she crams all the honeymoon phase in.
She does this because she knows that it won't last.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
Yeah I hear ya. Makes sense. You gave her an audition, she failed, you kept her around awhile because her body was off the charts. Personally I’d break up with a woman if I knew that I wasn’t going to commit, but this woman was damaged goods anyway so you probably spared someone a life sentence. Best I’ve done on the SMV scale is the girl I have now, so I can fully understand wanting to hang on.
deeplydisturbed FDS Dinner Donor about a year ago
I once told her, and I quote:
She didn't get as upset at that as you might think. But I was always brutally honest with her, so she was used to me saying shit like that.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla about a year ago
I bet you made yourself more of a challenge with just that.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed about a year ago
"I can
fixcontrol him."Stupid bitches, the only men pussy works on as a mind control device are the ones they refuse to fuck.
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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla about a year ago
Read Rule 1: No shaming men.
orbilius about a year ago
There was no shaming of men in that comment.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. about a year ago
When used that way, "simp" is a man-shaming slur. You are shaming whatever man she might lock down in the future for following his gynocentric conditioning like all of us did to various extents before unplugging.
Even in its verb form, its use is rarely going to go well here.
Unless and until you can master the nuance of using such a shame-loaded term (example of acceptable use: "when I was younger, I used to simp and get used for free stuff"), you're better off not even using it here.
orbilius about a year ago
So to be clear, it's your official position as moderator of this forum that nobody is allowed to acknowledge that sometimes men make mistakes.
Sometimes, men are simps .... but don't actually say that because that's "shaming"
Consider the possibility that acknowledging that men make mistakes is healthy because it motivates us to not be like those men.
Your policy here is similar to "healthy at every size" in that both you and them prevent pointing to bad behaviors, calling the act of pointing, "shaming"
Consider the possibility that you indeed should have a "no shaming" rule, but the rule should mean that when a man asks for help, we should help him instead of shaming him. As you said:
If you post that and someone is a dick to you, then that would be a good time to say "don't shame this guy"
But when someone says, "I hit the gym because I don't want to be fat" that is not a good time for you to jump in and say, "no shaming fat people (by acknowledging that fat people exist - healthy at every size after all)"
Incidentally (in case it grants me some consideration) I have 1065 post karma and 3864 comment karma in the reddit version of this forum. I've been contributing meaningfully for a long time.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla about a year ago
It is our official position as moderators that anyone who cannot treat other men with respect is not mature enough to have a conversation here. If you want to shame men, you can do it everywhere else but here. If you do, we will kick you out, however great your contributions has been. With authority must come responsibility. No one is special.
cc: @typo-magashiv.
deeplydisturbed FDS Dinner Donor about a year ago
Look, it is this simple: Every forum ever has rules. We have ours and they are in place for VERY good reason.
The "no male shaming" rule is for VERY good reason. And my best explanation is as follows:
Virtually every other forum, platform, social media app, and mainstream medium openly encourages male-hatred and anti-White racism. They allow shitting on, banning, de-platforming, arresting, conscripting, enslaving, imprisoning, or otherwise abusing the common man with glee.
Literally the entirety of the internet aids and abets in this.
When it comes to women, the blame game is so egregiously one-sided against men that the mod team decided that there should be at least ONE FUCKING PLACE on the internet that puts all that aside. This means no name-calling, no slurs, etc.
"Incel" is a slur.
"Beta" is a slur.
"Simp" is a SLUR - and that is exactly what you intended it to be by your own admission.
Let one tiny word slide today, and we are flooded tomorrow. If you have ever been a mod, then you should know the amount of complexity and work it takes to moderate such forums
TL;DR - Would you go to a place full of African Americans and start spewing the forbidden word there? Then don't fucking do it here. End of discussion.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. about a year ago
Not at all, and that shows a complete lack of understanding of what I said earlier.
Check it out: I'm not going to rewrite what's been written previously. Read the sidebar, including the rules.
These two posts and any moderator comments within them (look for the green flair, and not just for distinguished comments) will explain rule 1:
PSA: We are not here to shame beta men.
and "NO SHAMING MEN FOR ANY REASON" is Rule #1 For a Reason.
It doesn't. We don't give 2 shits about karma, and have banned flaired members when they show blatant disregard for the rules, and have revoked endorsed members' endorsed status.
That's how important our rules are.
On a different note, for my part, I've been permanently suspended from that tranny-infested shithole for a few months now, so I haven't even looked at anything there in a while. (In case you're curious, it was for making fun of a fat person.) What's your username there, anyway? Maybe one of the mods who is still semi-active at that dump needs to review your contributions.
Then you should already know the importance of the rules.
CC: @moorekom, @Kevin32, @goodmansaysfuckyou
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. about a year ago
@woodsmoke, @lurkerhasarisen, @DeeplyDisturbed
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate about a year ago
Hell, I'd take issue (though not mod action) with the removed post even if the guy hadn't run afoul of Rule 1. Holding women to account is the mission statement of WAATGM but, to my mind, this place (and WAATGMA) exists as much to educate men and help them navigate the gynocentric bullshit in which we were all steeped as kids as it does to provide us with something to laugh at along the way. That's why I stuck around after first discovering the sub - and why I joined the mod team - after having moved on from various other "manosphere" subs like mensrights, MGTOW and TRP; all of which address similar issues but have their own glaring blind spots the communities don't want to acknowledge.
The red pill may be amoral but a man's actions aren't. The behavior he described may have excellent results for him personally but it's fundamentally antisocial. By manipulating these women as he described he's poisoning the well for every man who comes after him and precipitating precisely the kind of social disruption that led to the mess we're stuck in now.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. about a year ago
@HouseOfTolstoy, @loneliness-inc, @Ogrilla99
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. about a year ago
@Land_of_the_losers, @sleepyweaselisawake, @aldabruzzo
(I hope that's everyone. Some of you fuckers have become so inactive!)
wswZtyqNGQ about a year ago
Einstein would bow down to you, my good sir!
orbilius about a year ago
It's a real black pill when you see it in action. When you get texts from a girl while she's on a date asking if it's okay to come to your place later.
I'm telling you, if I ever take a girl out ... well first of all, I'm not buying her dinner if we haven't fucked. After we fuck, sure no problem. But before? That makes me a chump.
But if I take a girl out and she doesn't want to fuck me, I never ask her out again. If she contacts me then okay maybe we'll try again. But I'm not "chasing" her because I've seen first-hand that they go to their FWB's house after a date. And I know that I just spent hours with you and then some other guy fucked you. It's an insult and I have enough self respect to not put up with it.
Want to know why she would always come to my house after a bad date? Want to know how her mind worked? Here's the reason: "I got dressed up and I shaved my pussy - I'm not going home without dick"
Remember that the next time you're on a date and she says "I had a great time; goodnight" - the uber to the FWB is probably already on its way.
This bullshit is on top of the "I really like you so that's why I'm making you wait" nonsense.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. about a year ago
There was no Red Pill back when I was still single, but the various PUA communities who were the precursor to the Red Pill had caught on to this.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
“so WE can travel and enjoy life together”
I’m thinking the WE includes her and her bastards. You’ll be too busy working to provide the vacations to be able to attend yourself.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com about a year ago
But of course.
Additionally, she wants a new house but you'll be sleeping in a cot at your office.
chunky about a year ago
I was OK with all that, until the last paragraph.
No honey, if I'm gonna do all that other stuff for you, I'm gonna be the stay-at-home dad. You need to keep working those jobs, and maybe even more, to support me while I do the role model and homemaking for those kids. You don't get to work less. And p***y better be enthusiastic and forthcoming, or the deal's off.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. about a year ago
Is this the site you told us about before, for which you have to provide evidence of a certain income level or net worth in order to use it as a man?
If I went through that hassle, and saw this profile, I'd likely be demanding my registration fee back.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com about a year ago
You can have limited access without membership or showing your income level. If you want to unlock full functionality, there's a fee and then you can do that.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
Which site is this?
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com about a year ago
It rhymes with "Billionaire batch"
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
I have a 13yr old son. It's pretty much 100% dad and 0% mom. I can't imagine having to deal with "you're not my real dad" on top of that. All the responsibility and none of the authority. Sounds like slavery. I'd rather just do booty calls...
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
Girlfriend told me that she ran that line to her stepdad when she was like 15. Ouch. She regrets it now, but you just know that’s coming the first time the kid starts to get uppity.
Also, her aunt married a dude that stepped up in a big way for her family. While he gets along great with his stepson, his stepdaughter would rather live 1200 miles away with her boyfriend (that isn’t interested in committing to her evidently) than live in the home of her mom and stepdad, a mere 10 minutes away from a pretty solid public university. Because he’s not her dad. I couldn’t imagine dealing with a woman with teenage kids, because the one thing that I cannot tolerate is the feeling of being disrespected.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. about a year ago
Please read the rules on the sidebar. This comment is removed for rules 2 and 3.
A big part of taking the Red Pill and developing yourself with that knowledge, is putting yourself and your interests first. Why on earth would you not have a problem with a gold-digging single mom?
Fuck dude, not to brag, but even when I was still in the matrix I wouldn't have gotten involved with a woman like this one.
NeoSpartan about a year ago
Mostly because of personal issues tbh. I feel bad because of how stupid women are, also feel bad for her kids and society in general I guess. I suppose I still have some white knight in me :/ But no, you're right. They should be held accountable for their choices, especially in contemporary times when the laws and etc are all in their favor. I just still think of them like children ya know? Dumb and emotional and in need of a firm guiding hand.
I would force this one to marry an ugly rich guy as a punishment for her poor life choices and for the sake of her kids who apparently have nobody in the house most of the day since this retard chose to get knocked up by a guy like me. I wouldn't have knocked her up btw, would have done everything in my power to convince her to abort.
Thinking about that now actually, my current plate would be much better off with a less attractive guy who could help her out monetarily a bit. She'd be a lot better off if she left me for a guy like that, but she won't, because I'm good looking and I fuck her well. She knows I'm not gonna provide resources for her. But that was the natural order for most of human history ya know? And society was much better off that way, before feminism and all the other social engineering crap that happened over the last century. We are supposed to be the providers, not just a dick to ride. I think a lot of problems have been caused by feminism, and I say this as a beneficiary of the current order. Pareto is real, 20% of us are wolves and we feast on the sheep. The other 80% are dogs and have to settle for the leftovers. It's pretty fucked up. I'm not going vegan though, I like the taste of meat XD
Anyway, I agree with the spirit of the forum. Sluts should be shamed. Women need more accountability for their poor choices. Think about her kids, she fucked them over by being a dumb ho. She is being punished though, when you think about it. Working two jobs and is never gonna find the type of man she wants anymore, any man of decent value is not gonna put up with that step daddy shit. Her life probably sucks. The problem is, the damage has already been done, she might have learned a lesson, but it came too late and now she is over the wall.
Society is pretty fucked, like 50% of births now are to unmarried females.. fuck man, before WWII it was like 5%
Point being, the patriarchy was good for society.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp about a year ago
Marrying an ugly rich guy wouldn't be her punishment, it would be her salvation. Just because she doesn't recognize how valuable such a man is doesn't mean we should consider him a punishment for anyone he's with. Rich guys are rare. Much rarer than most girls (and guys) realize. And most of them work f'ing hard to earn their money. Earning $100k/yr already puts you in the top 10% of all earners in this country. Unless this woman is in the top 10% of looks, he's the one settling for her, and that's before accounting for his looks.
But more than that, I think the biggest takeaway from this OP is to not be captain save-a-hoe. We guys are programmed to help people, and sacrifice our own safety / happiness / resources to do it. Every fairy tale written is about how a prince who's already heir to a kingdom willingly goes and slays a dragon that's bothering a princess, not his own kingdom. No one asks: why not just find a princess who doesn't have a dragon breathing down her neck?
I certainly feel bad for her kids. They're not responsible for the fucked lives their mother is committing them to. But they are also not my problem. Unless this is my sister, a friend I already value, or some other person to whom I already have an obligation, why should I take on the burden of fixing her mistakes? I won't shame her; she simply has no reason to exist in my world. I have other people in my life already who need my attention and resources.
A rich ugly guy should not marry this person. He deserves better. He should aim to get the best woman he can get, because his happiness matters too. He's not just someone who's sole purpose in life is to make some woman happy or rescue her from her poor choices. The effort of making a woman happy should be reserved for a woman who can return the favor and make you just as happy.
I'm not sure what this woman's punishment should be. And in truth, I don't really care. It's not our place to mete out punishment. Maybe she does end up finding someone who rescues her life, becomes an awesome Dad to her kids, and all of her wishes come true. Good for her. And maybe she doesn't. Oh well. Either outcome should have zero bearing on my life because there's zero reason to have her in it. IMHO, that's the lesson that guys should learn: it's not your place to mete out punishment, but neither is it your obligation to rescue this person. You should focus on finding the best person for yourself, who will give you the maximum happiness, and someone that you can make happy as well. Beyond that, don't feel obligated to share your time / energy / resources with people who don't deserve it, no matter how needy they may be.
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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla about a year ago
Well said. When a woman asks "what's in it for me?" the world celebrates her empowerment. When a guy asks that, he gets called selfish and commitment-phobic.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. about a year ago
Strongly agree.
NeoSpartan about a year ago
That is true.. but that's not what gives them tingles man. Unfortunately, would be a lot better for everyone if it did but.. nah. It's primal, attraction. They want a guy who can or at least looks like he can ravage the shit out of them.
Anyway, lift. Lifting is key. Puts everything on easy mode. That's my best RP advice. Tried and true.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla about a year ago
Don't confuse @ogrilla99 for a newbie. He is far from it. His point, which he has articulated well, is that women do not deserve a bailout and just because she thinks a guy is beneath her, does not make him so. A guy who is rich will have options. Always. He can be smart and pick one suitable for a relationship or he can be dumb and pick a slut to be subservient to. Guys who made their own money are rarely that dumb.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
The only women who may possibly deserve a white knight are widows, and ones who actually own up to their mistake of depriving their children of a dad and put in efforts to prevent that from happening again.
Chicks like the one here probably don’t think she did anything wrong. And that’s the problem. High quality men, the ones that women historically pursued for marriage, don’t just take off from their kid’s life. If she’s working two jobs to support her kids, it means that she either took zinc shots from a deadbeat who can’t provide, or she ran a guy off. Either way, she deserves to suffer her bad decisions.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
ONLY widows, and only if her husband is dead for a good reason. If he was a Kyle or a Pookie that got killed doing stupid shit, fuck her and her kids.
NeoSpartan about a year ago
I agree, a widow would not be at fault. And women should be smarter about who they choose to mate with. It's a travesty what's going on now. And yeah.. the worst thing is she probaly doesn't think she did anything wrong... the media is fucking abysmal and anti human. We really need to take it back.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
“He was abusive” or “he didn’t care about me or the boys” or “we grew apart”, or whatever other excuse that they use, it’s all BS.
A man shouldn’t qualify to be inside of a woman unless she feels reasonably certain that he could be trusted to care for her at her most vulnerable; when she’s with a young child. If a woman offers that up to a man without vetting him, that’s on her.
And if they “just broke up”, well, that’s the father of your kids. How about you think of someone besides yourself and make things work?
In this case, it’s probably the first, because she says the kids have no relationship with their dad (meaning he was probably good looking as hell, and offered nothing else as a human being). Her boys have suffered from the lack of a father and a mother who is probably gone a ton and emotionally distant when she is home (thanks to the stress). She’s suffered from having to do the job of two parents. But let’s hypothetically say she has an 18 year old niece, and she sees said niece bring home a 26 year old dude with 6 pack abs and a neck tattoo. You think she’s going to tell her that he’s bad news, or let her go off and watch as she ruins her life before it even really gets a chance to start?
NeoSpartan about a year ago
No.. they do try to find a guy who can be trusted ime. The just aren't very smart and tend to give in to their tingles. Especially because contraception is a thing now. Worst case, in her mind, she can abort.. but.. they dont think long term and dont realize the feeling of attachment that will come down the road and cloud their thinking :/
Anyway, the main thing is, you used to have to get a father's permission to date their daughter... that was important.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
Yeah, now we let daughters choose all by themselves and just hope for the best. And even if they choose well, they can still go on to screw him over with little social repercussions. Sick society.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed about a year ago
Socio-biology arguments can get complex regarding "wolves and dogs" throughout human history, so consider that as I explain what I think happened only just recently: The ability for women to sleep around with multiple men (particularly "hot men") without apparent consequences. It's unprecedented. Prior to just a century or so ago, such women knew that they risked pregnancy and social ostracism even if they didn't get knocked up!
What I'm talking about here, gents, what this forum helps to expose, is their false sense of security.
Feminists smugly proclaimed back about 30 years ago: "I don't want to pay higher taxes for the child a MAN creates by having sex. If he can't keep it zipped, he'll pay "child" support and so there you go! Tee hee! Besides, the CHILD has to be protected from poverty!"
Also, there was the pill that seemingly guaranteed consequence free sex but even back in the early 80's, "accidental" pregnancies abounded. Young women who could barely function as adults having pre-marital sex was a recipe for disaster and it happened and the men were blamed "He's not paying his CHILD support!" they screeched. Bi-partisan politicians clamped down on the men. Took away their driver's licenses (which ironically meant they wouldn't be able to earn a living to pay). I know several guys back then who were getting laid and got paternity trapped.
Also, the corporate nuns in the 90's hit their 30's and 50's childless and griped WAATGM and they were the first childless spinsters. Things were somewhat normal back then. Most women didn't have their bodies covered with tats and piercings but the cracks were showing. I had hoped they'd wake up and smell the coffee.
But instead they doubled down. More tats, piercings, and now millions of children in poverty and wrecked and what is astonishing is their arrogant attitude that they're "queens". It reminds me of a fight scene where the guy beaten to a pulp says "Is that all you got?" In some ways, I admire their tenacity and resolve. In terms of frame, we could learn a lot from them. Never give up, never surrender.
Personally, if I was Chad, I'd be careful around them. Sure, 100 lays goes great but the 100th might be bunny boiler material without the happy ending in the movie (there's an alternate scene that the test audience found depressing.)
The cultural rot is working its way up the food chain, like mercury concentrates in salmon and ultimately even Chads will find themselves deciding the easy lays are just not worth it and then since this whole nightmare allowed collectively by men, powerful, weak, and normal, will come to an end as shockingly fast as the USSR seemed to collapse out of nowhere and everyone will say (in hindsight): "That was obvious!"
But for now, it's like watching for a pot of water to start boiling and you have a dinner party arriving in 15 minutes.
NeoSpartan about a year ago
Strongly agree with all this. The sexual marketplace is mad fucked up, didn't used to be but now... I have actually become a bit of a chad since I started lifting and learning game and man.. it's way too easy now. My current gf would be way better off with a less attractive guy with more earing potential and less options but women do not seem to be able to think long term dude... not sure why. But they definitely should not have been given the vote.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla about a year ago
How many women you know of have either had good guidance in their lives or have suffered enough to become wise? That's why.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst about a year ago
The thing that makes men great that women will never experience is that to become a man, we must suffer.
That's why women can't shake a strong man - they literally can't hurt us more than life has.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla about a year ago
Any woman who suffers and becomes masculine is most likely going to find a feminine man. Masculine men rarely want a counter-part.