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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago Stickied
Public service message: If you enjoy the content, please consider posting this link to the Reddit version of WAATGM since I cannot. It drives more traffic to this site, such as myself, and that's how the content creation happens. Please do your part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_7FaWnlhS4&t=10s
You may recognize her from yesterday: https://www.forums.red/p/whereareallthegoodmen/325773/and_that_s_my_why/7876490/
This is part 1 out of 5 (or more!) of a series of women lamenting about the death of chivalry. I'll post these regularly each weekend until my backlog empties noting I have 5 already in the backlog and the algorithms appear to be adding them regularly so... who knows?
throwaway_old_guy 1w ago
First, it was your choice in footwear. None of the Men were involved in that decision, and if any of them had been and suggested you forgo "cute" heels over something better suited to walking, there would have been another video on that.
You were offered a ride, it just meant one of you had to sit next to a Man, maybe even (eww) touching.
Instead, it's all about MEN not wanting to inconvenience themselves to your benefit.
Equality is not about convenience based on Gender.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
Yes.
1) it was primarily a code of conduct for when knights fought other knights and nobility. Knighthood was rendered obsolete, and so was anything to do with it.
2) the way you and other whiny harridans use it, as in "men treat women like they're special and have special privileges" is also dead. Feminism killed it. We're equals now. Enjoy being treated as just as disposable as we are. It's just a shame you still don't have to register with the Selective Service.
Your poor choices are no one else's problem. Wear comfortable shoes when you know you're going to be walking.
Additionally, it sounds like several golf carts made several rounds. I'm sure another one would have been along in a few minutes. Those men were ahead of you in line, and they owe you nothing. Equality, remember?
Then why the fuck are you whining and complaining?! Shut the fuck up!
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I'd be a lot more OK with that if they didn't get the same voting rights as men by default. Though I think enfranchisement should hard require some form of public service to obtain. Doesn't have to be military service. These bitches can sign up for 10 years of Peace Corps missions in some turd world country if they want to vote.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Note how this ties into yesterday's post: She says she's alone at 31, a leftover, because she's "overqualified" to EVERY man she's ever met.
Roll that around in your mind for a moment.
EVERY man. Even her father. Every man is BENEATH Her Highness. We're ALL peasants to her.
I'm reminded of the scene in Monty Python's Holy Grail where we know He's the kind because he isn't covered in shit. She thinks she's The Queen and the peasants should throw their coats on the mud for her to walk on and yet, the men aren't. There are men out there with self-esteem and Princess had to wait a few minutes for the next shuttle or hurt her feet in the heels she chose to wear.
Like the king in Monty Python angry that his kingship isn't recognized, she is increasingly the princess sleeping on beds with more and more peas underneath.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Peas that she put there at that. Like, bitch needs to realize men aren't obligated to make her life convenient by default as is, and if she goes out of her way to make herself miserable, that's her problem alone.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
She/they could have waited until some bears arrived. I am sure they would have given them a lift.
Everpax Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
So she wanted men to offer just for the sake of a pointless interaction she'd reject anyway...? Either she's bullshitting and only said that to try and not look so entitled, or her definition of chivalry is just performative nonsense where the actual chivalrous gesture is not wanted, only pampering her ego is.
BobbingForBunions Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Chivalry began to die when feminism began to preach gender equality.
There are still a few fedora-wearing neckbeards out there willing to prostrate themselves before women while wheezing "Yes, m'lady."
But they're an endangered species.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
During 2nd wave feminism, many feminists argued that chivalry was sexist and infantilized women, so they verbally attacked men who practiced it, and by the end of the 90s, most men no longer practiced it, but now it is gone, women are always complaining about the lack of it, women sure love to complain one way or another.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
It's so freeing to stop caring about their mouth-noises, and just do whatever you want.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
The men you are referring to are called Simps.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
Let's keep rule 1 in mind. You're tiptoing close to a violation.
BobbingForBunions Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
FWIW, looking at my post again, I consider it to be close to violating rule 1, too.
I'll take greater care going forward.
Leonian 1w ago
I don't remember the last time I met a young woman who deserved to be treated like a lady
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
If you have the time, it's actually a readable Nobel prize winning novel: "With Fire and Sword" by Henryk Sienkiewicz that explores chivalry and feudalism during the Polish-Ukrainian war of 1612. The film is pretty good as well!
The thing is, just as women today are snobs towards height, men of the past regarded ladies primarily by whether their fathers had huge tracts of land to give away as a dowry. You held their doors and sang love songs to them not to get laid (because premarital sex was a no no) but rather to win her heart and hopefully get her to cry to her father enough so you could live in comfort for the rest of your life with her family's serfs working the land for you.
That's right! You didn't go to work daily so she could sit at home and order bon-bons by mail order while banging the milk-man or postman. You sat around, like a Gentle-Man, and had your nails manicured. That was what a Gentle-Man's life was like!
And somehow it was romanticized during this period to mean being "noble" of selfless virtue like we have with comic book heroes today such as Peter Parker or Clark Kent who lived like monks and paupers fighting crime and doing the police's job for the fun of it.
Back in the 1990's a friend of mine asked me: "Don't you want to be a boy scout?" I said, er, no.
Leonian 1w ago
That's quite interesting
So what do you think changed during that time that made society worship women?
I think makeup played a huge role
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Perhaps the printing press? Around the time chivalry evolved from a mere code of conduct to more ethically conduct war to a mass produced culture of "courting" "ladies", it had to actually be communicated.
My point being that originally, this was about romanticizing feudalism: The knightly class offered one of the few ways for a commoner to ever hope to escape literally not owning a bucket to piss in. Via merit killing-for-hire and then landing a pretty princess, the grateful king or lord would gift one with lands.
It was like buying a lottery ticket, becoming a pro-athlete, or becoming a rap star.
What's hilarious is how this evolved from something that appealed to men into pandering to women, all women, as entitled. Did knights want to risk getting an arrow in the face to work long hours to wife up a commoner serving wench? Back then, even peasants had serving wenches!
I suppose the romanticization of the princess sitting in the castle waiting to be rescued appealed to women universally. "Learned helplessness" is the psychological term, my understanding. The concept that simply being female, young, and pretty would be a "noble virtue" itself.
Hmmm, this gets me to thinking how interesting it is how these women now gripe about "men wanting to be treated like women" and by "men", they mean Chad: If a man is tall and handsome, through no effort of his own other than genetics and not abusing his own body, then he can increasingly demand "princess" treatment. If I had a son, I'd Chad him up and marry him off to a Kennedy.
They are so utterly ungrateful that these men are NOT acting like women... yet! Chad ought to insist these women take HIM out for dinner, wine and dine and entertain him, and conform to his politics.
Which may yet happen...
Leonian 1w ago
Sorry to tell you this but you can't just "Chad your son up"
I'm saying this as a 6"3 yo long haired guy who gets ghosted and rejected regularly
You're either a Chad or you're not, sure, you might choose better clothes, try more times etc but the principle is there
The rest of the message I agree with????????
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
I’m also a long-haired guy almost your height. I got a few hookups and relationships, but not Chad level of success.
I’m Millenial, so I didn’t have as much hoeflation as your generation. Plus Gen Z women are pulling the they/them shittest.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Interesting. Do you have any liabilities in your appearance that negate your height? I would of course red pill a son with game, staying fit, basic education and so on.
No need to be sorry in that it’s moot. I have a daughter so whole different kettle of fish.
Leonian 1w ago
Well not really imo, I like my looks mostly, I also exercise and am fit
I will say I definitely have a baby face tho, have been told as much and that I look like I'm 18 (I'm turning 24 next week lol) so that might be a problem but yeah
I also am red pilled but when talking to women I never play games I just treat them well/nicely because I'm not interested in relationships where I have to pretend/hide certain parts of my life
So yeah Chads are very rare and usually can do whatever they want and women will love it
If you have a son definitely teach him about women early, my parents didn't, books and movies did and that's why I became "romantic" and fantasizing about love, that's awful in modern society
Oh and btw I live in a country where the average male height is significantly higher than in the US so that probably plays a role too
Treadmill Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Destroying chivalry always struck me as one of the ways feminism and the sexual revolution tried selling themself to men.
Men and women are now the same. There is no reason to patronize girls by treating them as children with no life skills. Have faith that they can handle themselves.
There is no need to hide your intentions behind complex displays of courtship. We are finally free to fuck whomever we like as long as they consent. Women want sex just as much as men do, and now they are finally free to act on their desires. So just ask her straight up! And if she likes you she will reciprocate. No mind games, no meaningless shows of status. Just two people who are finally free to love each other as nature intended.
Even to this day, it still hurts to be scolded for believing the lies I was told growing up.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1w ago
One of the ways was arguing that once women start earning their own incomes, women wouldn't judge men based on money. See, women were supposed to say "I don't care how much money a man has! I just choose based on LOVE!"
In practice, it turns out that there's no such thing as 'too much money' and the price of women's love has skyrocketed. The reaction, then, is to blame men for not being 'well educated' enough as a way to camouflage the word 'income,' lest the game be given away.
Openly, most women don't care about a man's money. It doesn't matter if you make $1 million or $2 million a year. $4 million? $5 million? It's just a number.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Back when I was very young, and didn't understand what was going on in 1972 or so, it seemed like young women were more relatable to young men and marriage minded. They had posters of pop culture boys on their wall including Davey Jones all of 5'3" tall. Yuri Gagarin was 5'2" and got so much tail, he fractured a facial bone jumping off a ledge to avoid his jealous wife catching him landing on his face. Great pop song about him, BTW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs8ZoO1Q500
Here's the thing: teenage girls back then weren't "desperate" to get married, but just rather excited about the prospect of "growing up" and doing adult things like wearing makeup, dressing nice, enjoying and appreciating boys, loving their father and brothers, and I'd say just relatable. When I later dated milfs, I found them excellent conversationalists and well read.
I remember actually driving down these roads back in the 90's and seeing some of these cars!!!
"She's a good girl, loves her mama, loves Jesus and America too. She's a good girl. Crazy about Elvis. Loves horses, and her boyfriend too!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWJXDG2i0A
Anyway, it just seems that as so-called women's equality and wokeism "progressed", literally, women just didn't want men anymore. When the leftovers say "I don't need men", they sort of mean it in that they are emotionally and even sexually ambivalent about us.
Quite frankly, after decades of this I found myself returning the favor. At least initially when I was young it meant suppressing my sexual drive but later, when they got face pierced I didn't even need to do that. In the states, I can go a full week without seeing a woman outside of my wife to arouse me.
When I watched post-apocalyptic or dystopian futures such as A Boy and His Dog, Logan's Run or Zardoz, those seemed utterly alien but this world we live in now is more bizarre than a DeLorean time machine could hope to visit. Biff's World would be a step up.
HitTheRoadJill 1w ago
Women stopped judging Chad based on money. Not only that, but plenty will gladly spend their money on him. The skyrocketing price is for normies to buy them out of their love for Chad.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1w ago
We wish. But if they've managed to get into an environment with lots of $1million men, you bet they're then looking for 4 or 5 million. Hell, women whose husbands are worth 8 figures feel like they somehow settled because her neighbor is a billionaire, and his bitch wife is uglier than her.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Chivalry is dead because femininity is dead.
"A lady is a woman who makes it easy for a man to be a gentleman."
A polite deference to women was once easy for men, because a real lady quietly defers to and respects men because they are men.
One of my best friends, a totally based Brazilian guy, has an American/White wife who is this kind of lady. One time we were at a homeschool co-op and there was the normal gathering of teachers/mothers for coffee. I didn't know this, but this wife had brought something to teach the women, some kind of "devotional" or whatever. I was just hanging out because I taught a class at this point.
I kid you not: She comes up to me and hands me her notes. She asked me if I wanted to teach what she had prepared. Honestly blindsided me, I didn't understand what was going on. Why me? Because I was a man in the room, and she knew that a woman teaching men is not appropriate or respectful, especially in a "church" type setting as this co-op is. She couldn't teach the women while I was in the room. I refused because I had no idea what the subject was, and she gracefully asked me to leave so she could teach. I was extremely happy to oblige.
I have never been so respected by a woman who is not my wife. I have never been asked to leave a room with more grace, politeness, respect, and dignity. I will always remember it.
If you can't be a lady, don't expect men to want to be gentlemen around you. If you give off slut vibes and act like a defective man, expect to be treated like those things.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Great words that I will remember.
If you can't be a lady, don't expect men to be gentlemen. or If you're not a lady, don't expect men to be gentlemen.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Another one I like is: "A woman who asks for nothing gets everything."
Just femininity and following his lead summed up in a single sentence.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1w ago
Yes. Boomer feminists pulled the trigger. Gen-X feminists danced on the prostrate body as it twitched. Millennial feminists drove a lawn mower over the corpse and used the skull to play polo. You've got 180 lbs of headless Chivalry Hamburger laying on the lawn now. Enjoy.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
You left out the complaint, WAATGM?
hhhhdmt 1w ago
why are you wearing heels at a golf course?
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
They were at Churchill Downs, presumable for the Kentucky Derby. Any woman with a brain (just go with it) might have considered, in advance, "I'm going to be on my feet for a long afternoon. Maybe heels aren't the best idea."
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1w ago
They brought the heels but not the crazy hats, looks like!
tallhandsomerichdude 1w ago
I believe all women.... lie.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1w ago
Wait, let me get this straight. The men she's complaining about were in front of her in line. This wasn't a case of men from behind the line cutting and running to the next shuttle, and she's not able to keep up because she's in heels. That would be a dick move.
This was an orderly line. She was behind the guys. They waited just like her, presumably longer (since they're ahead of her) and got in when their shuttle came. And she's bitching about it.
If was a dude behind these ladies, and the driver was offering a seat and they declined, I'd march right in and sit next to him. I know how busy these shuttles can get, and if they'd prefer waiting another 15 minutes sweating in the sun, they can be my guest.
Also, I love how she's mad that they didn't give up their seats even though they're in heels. Last I checked, we're not supposed to look. No, the heels, all the hair extensions, blonde highlights, low cut dress, lip fillers, makeup, and so on is supposed to be for your own self esteem only, and maybe for the eyes of the other female friends in your posse. They are definitely not for a man to look at and appreciate, you misogynistic clod! So they should actually be making a tiktok appreciating these men for keeping their eyes ahead of them, not looking behind at them, and going to their shuttle when their turn is called, and never once even knowing if the people behind them were women, men, or space aliens, nevermind glaring so closely as to figure out they're wearing heels. That's the real feminist utopia right?
These women wanted all of the advantages that come with being a good looking woman while being able to bitch about it as if it's a downside (that they secretly love anyway). They have no idea that everyone is objectified, it's only a matter of what object they classify you as. And most men go through life classified as furniture at best, and usually completely invisible. No one seems them as a person. You have to work to be seen as a person by someone. So when women said stop treating us as sexual objects, they started being treated like the default object, which is to say, less interesting than the gum on the bottom of my shoe, and they're horrified by how little attention that actually entails.
Here's what they could have done in their situation. While waiting in line, they could have struck up a conversation with the men in front. Not because of any mercenary interest (they couldn't have predicted that they'd need their shuttle seats), but just because that's friendly, and what gets you changed from an object to a person. Then, when the shuttle arrived, maybe the men might have offered you to go ahead, or if not, you could have asked politely, and they'd probably have said yes.
That's what a man has to do to get anything in this world: make an effort, be sociable enough to get strangers to see you as a person rather than part of the foliage, and then ask for what you want, knowing that at every step of that process, you could be rejected, ridiculed, etc. And taking that risk anyway.
PS: I think the thing really burning her up is probably not the shuttle. It's that, while she's making a tiktok about these guys, complaining about their attitudes, and basically letting them live in her head probably an hour after the actual shuttle encounter, they're not thinking about her at all...
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
And if they are, I'd bet it's along the lines of "remember that annoying bitch who crammed into the golf cart with us? She was wearing too much perfume, and when I get home, my wife's going to smell it on me and think I've been cheating!"
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Going to the Kentucky Derby (presumably) unaccompanied tells me these girls got glammed-up hoping to be approached by some "upscale" men. It didn't happen, so her hamster conjured the shuttle story in order to spew her actual grievance about having to buy her own mint juleps. "I put on a ton of makeup and wore tall heels, but no one noticed. So I better make a video that somehow blames men for that."
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1w ago
Yeah, ostensibly there were no guys in her group at the shuttle, which is why she complains about the strangers ahead of her not offering her a seat.
And I haven't been to the Kentucky derby, but if it's like most social occasions these days, I'm pretty sure the guys stuck to themselves. Especially if they happen to catch her filming herself for the 'gram. No need to be used as material for whatever random channel she's hawking.
Plus, if she's really interested, she's going to be on tinder after the races. Why waste the afternoon plying her with mint juleps, when she'll do it herself if you wait long enough, and then snag her off the apps afterwards when she's back at the hotel and she's desperate because no guy hit on her at the track?
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Yup, premium tier red flag. A woman could be dressed classy as fuck with nary a nose ring or speck of skin graffiti in sight, but the second she starts pulling the influencer shit; no fucking thanks. There is no woman on earth who does that who it is worth associating with.
The extra layer of irony is being willing to buy her overpriced drinks is likely to get one slotted in as a "provider" in her mind which means she's going to try to play keep-away with her pussy in the hopes of maximizing her fiscal gain.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
I am trying to figure out what the problem was. Women wanted equality, and now they got it. WTF am I missing?
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
As you know, women want the 'equal' parts that give them an advantage, and none of the responsibilities.
We're due for some economic hardships, that will compress those wants into not being so difficult, I'd imagine.
ProvidedCascade 6d ago
Just curious, does anyone have a rough estimate when we'll get a reset? Next 10, maybe 20 years?
Are there any peaceful possibilities that don't involve lots of violence.
I have a theory that creating micro states run by benevolent patriarchs might work - just anything that doesn't involve women voting. Something like 5-15 Dubai's around the world.
Women treating men as (free) walking resource ATM's has gotten really old. (Edited to clarify, I think fair and reasonable transactions are great. But the state of women right now is such that it's she wants all her own resources and also all of your resources are hers too)
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 3d ago
Things tend to happen slowly, until they don't.
I think balkanization will happen, and it will unfortunately be violent at first. A nation as large as ours will not go quietly into oblivion. It won't always be clear who is "right" and who is "wrong" after the government is overthrown. People trying to survive the hell of anarchy do hellish things.
Honestly I hope a strong monarchy makes a comeback. It's worked for far longer than "democracy" or "republic" or whatever crap that's been. The will of the people is fickle and foolish, especially over time. At least with a king it's only one guy you have to overthrow if things get too bad, instead of hundreds of bad actors and deep state profiteers. And who knows, maybe you even get a real great king once in a while.
Personally, these days I would be on the side of King George, and later the Confederacy. Yeah, they lost, but overall I think they were more in the right and just happened to lose, and so are demonized by the winners.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6d ago
I don't know. AI might take the female jobs soon as most women are doing email checker, receptionist shit.
It's going to be a rude awakening to them and their independence
That being said most laws are so bastardized that more and more men are dipping out of working and dating
The only real solution is to start making private communities that grow into towns etc and have laws that lead by example
There otherwise needs to be a sentiment for pulling back all the bullshit laws which I'm not seeing the stomach for
Letting women own Houses, cards, etc was a mistake. Letting them legislate and 'lead' was a mistake
I've been saying for some time at least in smaller circles that restoring male spaces and at least clawing back anti discrimination laws will at least let men flourish in their own spaces and then allow the standards and decorum needed for people to function in those spaces in a way that isn't fucked to hell
Every large state is compromised by equality laws already and otherwise a massive MGTOW and only men keeping labor jobs while women are unemployed from AI displacement might fix something
Also, women who can't figure out how to keep a man not having kids and thus stopping future generational decay from them not going on to instilling their broken beliefs into the kids they'll never have might help
I think 10-15 years for a major dating market and job market correction
I think 30-50 years for that to be even possible of being reflected in a change of laws
It could go either way depending on how the powers at be decide to handle the shit show that will happen
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 5d ago
I agree with the summary. I'm pretty close to the machine learning tools, I use them every day. I can see a lot of consolidation in the do-nothing-girl-jobs that were used for tik-tok fodder. "Follow me through a day at < big tech company >!", where they show up, have catered or chef-prepared food and all the perks.
They settle down after some useless meeting and have maybe at best 30 minutes of real work, then its off to the in-house pilates studio and yoga, then bopping around town with some friends to buy useless shit and then do it all over again.
Those jobs are easily gone. There's debate on how much of software the machines will eat up, replacing programmers and engineers. Its gotten very good. Even companies that lean heavily on software are finding that more than 50% of their work can be guided by a few experts instead of having a bunch of new hires learning the ropes.
It will concentrate intellectual ability. And lets face it, most women just have empty 'work' that can be done by a team of agents under a competent man guiding it, or totally automated in some cases.
This will crash their income potential, but the danger is govt stepping in to "help" which puts a bigger drag on the productive people left in the workplace.
So if we follow the "Fourth Turning" logic, we're in for 5 - 10 years of some compression on all kinds of economic activity. Some will be very prosperous because they have the skills to begin with and understand the tools - and the rest will be a permanent underclass because the advancements have left them in the dust.
I don't like the idea of large swaths of the population having not much to do, because it invites exploitation by others who would want to wield that as a tool to cement power over others. Its easy to have a message that the recently fired guy can 'get back' at the system by adopting something that is completely opposite to it.
Its how the 'isms' grow, (marxism, socialism), and if you're a young guy that can't get a job and don't have the skill to use the tools to improve your situation, its going to be a rough decade indeed.
And then as Vermillion-Rx suggests, there are exogenous events that can occur that totally derail things in the middle of this social shitshow.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1w ago
It isn't 'equality' if a woman doesn't have a flawless victory.