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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2d ago
Public service message: If you enjoy the content, please consider posting this link to the Reddit version of WAATGM since I cannot. It drives more traffic to this site, such as myself, and that's how the content creation happens. Please do your part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlC5DEp2EOQ
@Typo-MAGAshiv Flaired as Leftovers/Weekend Content but wonder if this would work for weekday in that she doesn't want to "be single" so does that qualify for Rule 5 seeking commitment? Perhaps Big Question or WAATGM In The Making.
Anyhoo, (I like to think) she's not really "completely over it..."
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2d ago Stickied
Not quite "leftovers" because she isn't complaining that the attention she's accustomed to has disappeared.
More like "strong, independent woman".
Also fits rule 5, but just barely.
For those interested:
WAATGM's flair guide, New Carols Unlocked!
In-depth analysis of "leftovers" flair
In-depth analysis of "strong and independent woman" flair
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2d ago
36F and fuckzoned is what I am reading.
And as usual that is nearly always due to a woman holding out for/spreading her legs for men way too far above her actual station in life despite her inevitable loss of negotiating power as she ages. Her best bet to stopping being single is to smack herself with a clue by four and settle for some boring dude in the 55ish age range that doesn't mind not having kids. Second best bet is to get a time machine and go back to her 20's and stop choosing to get passed around by the top men at her workplace.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 1d ago
She's fucking random dudes and with good men she's playing "make him wait".
She hasn't noticed that the pendulum is flipping: her looks are going downhill and male value of men her age is going uppppppppppp.
Any woman who is under 40 has every opportunity to get any relationship she wants. Stay slim, be actually nice to men. It's not hard.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 12h ago
Or at least has had every opportunity.
It's why I have less than zero sympathy for any women expressing any form of frustration at getting relationships once they hit 30+. They've had from puberty until then, a period of nigh absolute power in the dating and mating game, and still wasted it. And then at 30+ they are left trying to be buzzer beaters if they even realize the game is about to end to begin with.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2d ago
Jason Pargin (writer) posed an interesting question: Would you prefer to be a 17th century king or a modern office worker? The king would have a society that worships him, but he'd be living a primitive lifestyle.
This woman says "she's completely over" her lifestyle that many young men would kill for: "little gifts", still regularly approached, compliments, yet she can't parlay that into a relationship? No, she doesn't need a time machine or to jump onto a 55 yo. She has to make a LITTLE effort and she doesn't want to do that because she prefers to be approached and "love bombed". What she's frustrated over is that her basic Game of "who cares less" has little effect on the hot guys her age just as it does when normie young men try to use it on young women.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1d ago
And that's why that is a distant third to her two best bets.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1d ago
I've thought about similar versions of that question and I'd rather be a modern office worker.
In Cairo, there's a fabulous group of museums. The basement of the new Museum of the Egyptian Civilization has some of the most well-known Pharaohs on display. (I guess even though Ramses II is hinted at being the bad Pharaoh in the Bible, the dude just carved his name on everything, including carving-over names on previous projects so it ended up giving the impression that Ramses II built everything over a thousand-year lifespan and I guess his name just became easily-recognizable to anyone.)
So these were the living gods of a brilliant civilization, and I'm looking at some of the furniture and personal effects they were buried with and... I decided that I would prefer my own possessions. I pretty much like what I have now.
Also, I wouldn't be able to live without modern dentistry. I'd probably go insane from an untreated toothache.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 10h ago
I like having toilets that flush. And heated housing that doesn't require chopping wood and maintaining a fire. And a working shower.
I grew up without those well into my teen years. So I know what I am missing out on, and have no interest in returning to that. Probably explains why I bounced the fuck off camping as a hobby.
Kloi 2d ago
As a man who's work in both female and male dominated industries my experience is anyone who's not hideous gets all sorts of extra attention while working in the opposite gender's industry.
She's probably mids at best in the real world. She's just the only women these men see for 40 hours out of every week.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1d ago
I think this is the biggest reason. She's an engineering 9, which means a real world 6 at best, and an LA 3. Sort of like a Kabul 9 or a Pendleton 8 :) But because she's showered with attention by people who barely see a woman during their daylight hours, she thinks she's hot shit.
Then she heads out into the real world and wonders why the hot guys pass her up.
As much as she complains about being single, she would never in a million years consider actually dating one of these subhumans who deign to give her a gift. Sure, they probably make good money, would be good fathers and loyal, caring husbands, but what about her tingles???
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1d ago
Yup. Desensitized to attention from regular men and of course the above average men are fuckzoning her at best.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2d ago
Must be nice! Hashtag #OvertimeLife
Kloi 1d ago
I know you're a boomer but you don't have to type out hashtag before putting your #BoomerProblems.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1d ago
Boomers were born in the post-War baby boom between 1946 and 1960.
I was born in 1980.
No son of mine misuses words like this! You're out of the will!
have a DOWNVOTE.
Hashtag #Disowned
Hashtag #NotGenXEither
Hashtag #NotMillenialEither
Hashtag #YouSuck
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
#FIRSTWORLDBOOMERPROBLEMS
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1d ago
Hashtag #Xennial
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1d ago
I'll allow it.
Those of us born in 1980 fell into the cracks between X and millennial, but have some overlap with both.
Kloi 1d ago
It's kind of like the word literally and how the kids used it improperly so much it now can be used to replace the word figuratively.
Boomer basically means any old person now. Especially if they're not hip to it.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1d ago
Speaking as a Gen-Xer, "Pffsht, whatever."
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
Hashtag #HipToBeSquare?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1d ago
That literally drives me up the wall.
Can someone help me down?
I hereby declare the word "Norwegian" shall henceforth mean "one who misuses words without any regard to their meaning".
You Norwegian.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
Perhaps "like totally" would be more sufficient?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1d ago
You Norwegian.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1h ago
LMAO
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 2d ago
This is basically just humble bragging. She is signaling to others that she can still get smashed on the reg.
She is still single, because she likes being single. Being in a relationship would mean giving up the hook ups, which would be a sort of ego death for her.
The A&V from one man will never be enough for a ho that is drunk on the level of A&V she can get when she slut signals and gets it from 50 men.
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Sigh…
I’m not even convinced this one is getting dicked down on the reg. Maybe she USED to, but in a workplace at 36, perhaps no more.
How a woman can go thinking that getting compliments = relationship is beyond me. That’s at least 3 jumps (date, sex, commitment). And that’s without games or HR. And of course, no mention of effort on her part to make any of those jumps.
BobbingForBunions Sr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
"... funny AF..."
Women aren't funny. They think they're funny, but they're not.
One exception: Joan Rivers.
Heaviuh_Things 1d ago
When a woman says "I'm funny AF", just read "I'm obnoxious and mean-spirited"...or, in a best case scenario..."I laugh like a hyena".
TJMS 1d ago
Women I've known who thought they were "funny" were just snarky and cringe.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1d ago
@BobbingForBunions @Typo-MAGAshiv @Land_of_the_losers @First-light @JudgeSmales @GeorgeIII There's also the terms: "sassy", "sarcastic" or for those who passed the 8th grade, "sardonic" which in womanese they think means cute and clever but really just means bitchy. "strong and independent" means anti-social which also means bitchy. "high standards" and "refuse to settle" means... bitchy.
This is perhaps why S&I women hate the term "boss babe" so much because it's one of the few euphemisms applied to them that can't be twisted into something pleasantly masculine.
If her parents had the good sense to tell her she was being bitchy, perhaps they'd be grandparents today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkjW9PZBRfk&t=159s
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
"Bubbly" When did anyone actually like a girl self described or described by friends as bubbly? I always see this as a warning word.
At best its a larger girl who is up for things -alcohol, drugs, cocks and laughs a lot (irritatingly)
At worst it means a girl who is full of herself and won't stop bubbling (won't realise she is arrogantly talking crap and won't shut up).
These girls are "bubbly" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNpjzOZbRek
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
There's a reason bubbly (sort of) rhymes with chubby. In my nightclub experiences, she usually wound up being a too-talkative cock-blocker between you and her hotter friend.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
I have had this experience, in my youth, except the hotter friend was trying to get her "Bubbly" friend laid.
They were Irish girls. At closing time I had decided to walk home somewhat worse for wear. It was safer than where that taxi would land me. Last time I crashed at my friends both girls were there and the fat one had told me if I wanted anything I knew where she was. That night she had been drinking a bit and I didn't like the idea of her knowing where I was. "Get in the fecking taxi you eejit! ...You feckin eejit!" the hot one screamed at me as I beat a retreat. She really was quite unable to believe so dumb as to be turning down her friend. Didn't I want free sex after putting up with her for the evening? They overvalue pussy sometimes.
I love the fat slags ...from a safe distance.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
Avoiding the gravitational pull. Good call.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1d ago
I always understood "bubbly" to mean cheerful, and pleasantly energetic. Nothing to do with weight whatsoever
Then again, maybe I'm out of touch, and it's yet another term that has lost all meaning in recent years.
Tag @first-light
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
You got the definition of bubbly correct there. In fact, I personally do like bubbly girls, as it’s a nice contrast to working corporate tech with dry, serious guys.
The problem is that she is almost for sure not bubbly. People in general, but women especially, are awful at accurately self-evaluating themselves.
Examples of these inaccurate self-evaluations include: “I’m a 10”, “I’m smart and ambitious”, “I’m a feminine woman”, and “I am a loving person”.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1d ago
I always thought "bubbly" meant cheerful and uplifting as well.
I have two weaknesses and one of them is "bubbly" Japanese women. My only other weakness is a complete lack of musculature on a brittle skeleton.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
Press 1 to doubt
You could have stopped there. You can't turn a corporate hoe into a housewife.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1d ago
I dunno, maybe if you taught trad-wifery in the form of a seminar, with powerpoint slides and an executive summary handout. Naturally, there'd be a coffee-and-bathroom intermission before the breakout session.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1d ago
PSA for young(ish) women: if you find yourself in the fuckzone, have a good long hard think about how you got there.
If you are in the fuckzone, it is becuase you want to be in the fuckzone. You may think that you want to 'find the one' or but that stated wish does not accord with your behaviour over the last 20 years.
WalmartDemon 1d ago
It's one giant humblebrag.
Heaviuh_Things 1d ago
"Yet still single"....what does that say about the ratio of the approaches she gets : the number of rejections she dishes out?
"I like to think I'm pretty attractive"...and where's the all-mighty photographic evidence?
"Career girlie"...meaning what? Are you a surgeon? An HR manager? A retailer? A lesbian porn director?
Her post lacks clarity, so I doubt anyone will be able to help her with the singlehood problem. She will only get empty commiseration from it.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 23h ago
"Career girlie"
I forgot to address this in my analysis above as well as on WATGMA: A "career" for a man isn't impressive because it's "The Bare Minimum!" A man having a decent paying job isn't a flex.
When a woman mentions her "career", it means quite simply that she isn't going to worship a man for having a "career" of his own. It's a "strong and independent" woman flex meaning she has earned additional entitlements. Only problem is that what she thinks she has earned, and what the RMV/SMV marketplace is willing to offer her are two different things.