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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago
"According to a 2022 Pew Research Center survey, 63 percent of men under 30 said they were single, compared to only 34 percent of women in the same age cohort."
Does this not strike anyone as odd? Why are not more people talking about this?
The stats tell a convincing story - women are sharing men like never before. Since women are the delusional of the species, they often 'think' they are in a relationship when they are 'going out' with a guy. Obviously, they only go out with men with options, so the men are treating them like options.
Consider the fuss around that facebook page 'are we dating the same guy'. The women, in fact, were often 'dating' the same guy. Guys with options get to fuck all the girls on their rosta, and other guys get left with nothing.
The women report being in a relationship if they are get fucked now and then by chad. Meanwhile chad is under no illusions - he has a few plates that he fucks now and then.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago
Isn't it strange the the problem is always men?
The female logic goes like this: we only like this one kind of man (tall, rich, good looking)... so few men are good at this, we are experiencing a shortage of eligible men.
Well, what men want from 'dating' is to find a suitable woman to be the mother of their children. And women that sleep around are just not suitable.
TLDR: its always men that are the problem because we don't meet their preferences. But men are somehow not allowed to prefer women that we would deem as suitable for wife duties.
so there is an impasse.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
“This whole enterprise needs a lot of grace,” he says, “and a lot of forgiveness and a lot of accepting people in good faith.”
The man who said that failed to understand that the laws that give women all the cards and hold men to account for anything do not allow grace. They are actually made to make it pretty much impossible for any grace to be shown to men. You hear of pussy passes all the time but cock passes? Never. Men know the system is rigged against them. Men also know that the women are not worth what they used to be. Unlike their fathers and grandfathers, they are not going to pay the same price for a lower value item.
Women are like the currency in the later Roman empire. A denarius was still a denarius, it just had 95% of the silver taken out of it. A wife is still a wife but where is the value in her to most men today?
MentORPHEUS TRP Endorsed 1y ago
@Typo-MagaSHIV Tried to post to WAATGM on Reddit, got notice that sub was banned 2 years ago due to lack of moderators.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago Stickied
After my initial shock, I said "wait, 2 years ago? We've had activity there more recently than that!"
https://old.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/
Still up and running, though not as active.
Did you go to /r/WAATGM? As in, the actual initials instead of what the initials stand for?
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
It's easy to be dismissive of risk when you aren't the one paying the price for it. Are they volunteering to mitigate the damage a woman engaging in bad faith can cause?
No?
Exactly, fuck off. If you aren't paying their bills or defending them from bad actors, then you have no right to have any say in what measures they take to cover those needs.
Fucking quisling.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
@MentORPHEUS beat me to this post, darn it. Wonderful article but was wondering how it would be flaired.
As the old joke goes: "World to end tomorrow, women disproportionately affected" Why is it assumed that the men are messing up if young women under 30 are 2X as likely to be in a "relationship"? It's just as likely:
A) Older women are the ones who are (deemed) unattractive and being rejected in favor of younger women. B) Young women are "sharing" top-tier men and stuck in harems.
As you point out, it's easy to tell someone else to "step up" and work harder when you're not doing the work or paying the bills. Women can approach men and ask them out but of course they'd risk rejection. I have a cousin who told us back about 30 years ago she "had" to marry a particular man that others didn't approve of because "he was the ONLY one who asked me out."
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Yeah the title may as well have been "Free dinner and retirement offers no longer showing up for women" because that's what this was really about, the beasts of burden have fled the plantation and the overseer is big mad that they might have to do the work themselves.
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Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1y ago
Maybe because women like her won't date them and say no out the gates
deeplydisturbed FDS Dinner Donor 1y ago
THIS ARTICLE is the problem. And others like it.
This bullshit piece repeats the same crap that we have seen over and over - something is wrong with MEN.
My take has been and remains - "Well, that sucks. Anyhow, when's dinner and where's my bourbon."
PoopBeast Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
How do these bimbos keep writing articles asking how they've priced themselves out of the market...
...without realizing they're writing articles asking how they've priced themselves out of the market?
wswZtyqNGQ 1y ago
The latest AI models can simulate sel-awareness, though they can never achieve it. This puts the AI models as vastly more intelligent than modern women.
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I know "the juice isn't worth the squeeze" is a lazy meme, but that's my ultimate takeaway here.
Even an earnest man who successfully runs the gauntlet and gets himself a date or two, what is his prize? An expensive foody call with a fem bitch with an inflated ego and inflated waistline? Men are doing simple risk/reward calculations and saying, "Fuck it. Not worth the trouble (or the money)."
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
I remember the shaming line: "He must be miserable because he can't get dates". In the old days, getting dates was relatively easy because being a foody call was a no-brainer for women: They get food and entertainment and would just "Let's just be friends" the poor sap.
Women, being solipsistic, think that men have just as much fun on a date as they do. She's laughing at jokes, enjoying the food, and he must be feeling the same way, right? Because if he doesn't, then she'll dump him for being a "bitter boy".
The economics reminds me of how Taylor Swift concerts and even Disney is working out: It's CHEAPER to fly to Germany or Paris to watch a Taylor Swift concert than it is in the states. You can get cheap tickets to Paris for $500 and then the tickets to the concert for $200 while it costs $1000 in the states. The same goes for, er, professional services for men. To buy 3 dinner dates in NYC for some snob costs about as much as flying to Munich and buying a professional there.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
This is where we're at.
I had a random convo with some woman, and in the course of this she felt compelled to tell me how she "hates all men". Yes, directly and without any reserve or shame. Okay, well you're out of the running then, lol.
The more I meet what is out there, the more I'm thinking that finding a woman that hasn't been infected with the civilization-ending brainrot that has propagated in our society is nearly impossible.
I'd love to be wrong, but that is how it is. The sad thing is if I met a woman that was worth it, she'd never have to work again for the rest of her life.
Fuck it, I'll just spend it on me.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
"...if I met a woman that was worth it, she'd never have to work again for the rest of her life."
I think that's how this problem was created:
Imagine a man saying: "If I get a car, I'll never need to exercise again in my life!"
Throughout history, women have always worked including picking nuts and berries, handicrafts, looking after farm animals, and so on. The notion of the 1950's housewife with "labor saving" (literally) appliances sitting around all day drinking wine and watching TV didn't last long before the feminists mucked it up because they all wanted to be CEO's. Hilarious, isn't it?
The concept of The Patriarchy was the male head of household wasn't the only one who worked, but rather the one who made the financial decisions for the home. Timothy 5:8. As entrusted with the finances, he was expected to be responsible with them. Prohibition was largely due to women with voting rights banning alcohol because of the perception of some fathers spending all their money on booze rather than taking care of matters at home. (As we see in this era, women often exaggerate a situation.)
Career women are little better frittering away their paycheck on designer handbags and demanding men pay for restaurants.
Anyhoo, it's my contention that (most) healthy women (and men for that matter) need to work and be held accountable. When women thought they were literally owed a living is when they went downhill.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago
maybe if they could just grow a bit taller and bit a bit richer and more feminist, everything would be ok.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Funny story: My brother, wife, and lovely 23 y/o niece were having dinner at my home and I asked her out of curiosity something like "What are you planning for the next 5 years" and she responded she wanted to get better educated and earn more so she could "marry a rich guy". I was amazed but said nothing. My wife has a 20 something friend with a similar ambition: She wants to spend 10 years to become a lawyer and presumably marry another lawyer.
They think that they're men, sort of, in that the more wealth they have then the more they can get from men even though, unlike men, this wealth is for their "independence", not to share with him. They define entitlements as their needs: They NEED a taller man so the taller they are, then that means the more they deserve him.
I don't talk with tall women about this much, but while women have this term "short man syndrome", I wonder what "tall woman syndrome" is like.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago
The few I've known over the years were actually more reasonable and realized that they were competing with shorter chicks for the same men, and that by excluding all men shorter than themselves, they were missing out.
My wife is 5'10" to my 5'11", and one of her exes was 5'7". She knew that height really doesn't matter all that much.
One of my big regrets from back in my AFC days was easily the most beautiful woman I've ever seen IRL (one of my female coworkers even told me about her "I swear I'm not a lesbian at all, but that woman is so beautiful that I can't stop looking at her!") kept signaling interest at me, but I was too dense and too unconfident to realize it. She was like 6'4".
A married couple who were friends with my parents, the wife was either the same height or taller than the husband (haven't seen them since the late 1990s or early 00s, so don't remember).
Maybe it's a generational thing, and women born after 1985 or so just can't come to grips with reality. After all...
reality is a tool of the patriarchy!
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago
Hi Polish - it is truly amazing for 2 reasons;
she said the quiet part out loud - she admitted that her entire focus was on marrying a rich guy. Literally, her whole life is orientated towards that goal. In the past, most women had the good sense to conceal this, but in todays crypto-feminism, they really actually believe that it is better to say this out loud -thus eliminating any tiny logical intergrity that old school feminism might have had - crypto-feminism is entirely incoherent. It is the literally insane.
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I chuckle anytime a women talks about earning more to attract high-value men. They STILL don't understand that we would much prefer the waitress working swing shift at Denny's.
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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
May as well have said she plans to get older, more combative, and less physically attractive in order to "improve" her chances of marrying said rich guy. It never ceases to amaze me how many women think making themselves into a shittier copy of the men that they want to marry is somehow a viable tactic.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago
you forgot 'less fertile'
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Oh she'll probably take care of that beforehand and have Chad's womb turds and expect the rich guy to take on that debt.
Who of course is not allowed to have interests of his own due to being a vague archetype in her mind that only exists to make life convenient for her.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
I'm reminded of a story about a friend-of-a-friend who took his young son to restaurants and encouraged him to throw a temper tantrum for the fun of it. Absolutely awful behavior not only towards others, but also teaching anti-social behavior to the child.
Young women are encouraged by even traditionalists to act like spoiled brats during courtship: To be ambivalent and hostile towards men who approach and talk to them, to be demanding and insulting on dates to "shit test" him, and never experiencing constructive criticism because they leverage their sexuality to get these demands met.
Many of their parents seem ok with this and blame the men: "When I was their age, all I wanted was sex too!" they'd say. Well, what else was your future wife offering at the time?
So these women think that being bratty and demanding are somehow assets by themselves because they insist the men say they're doing so as "gentlemen". "Gentlemen prefer bratty women."
Of course, I didn't want to set a bad precedent by lecturing their daughter at my dinner table because I've criticized them for not minding their own business.
Status update: About 5 years later, the daughter is shacked up with a tall Dane covered with tattoos for about 3 years now and she's gotten at least 5 tattoos herself (that I can see on the facebook posts). They fear saying anything about it lest she "rebel".
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
This shows signs of women getting half way there. They are more open about wanting to get wifed up by a rich guy. This is healthy -they are not in denial about that natural desire any more but then they think that getting educated in man stuff will help them do it?
Waste your best 5 years learning things that will do nothing to make you a better wife or mother? its pointless. Its like a man saying "I will quit my career and study cookery and nursery school teaching to be more attractive as a potential husband to beautiful young women."
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago
no, they should quit their careers as lawyers and bankers and become pilates instructors and also get sterilised, and rack up 50k in credit card debt.
Because there is nothing more attractive than an infertile bankrupt.
Apparently.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
I stopped offering my advice to the aging daughter of a good friend who clearly is going to have trouble landing a man based upon her assets. I suggested she get Roosh's books on Game and "Lady" to then utilize actual "dating strategy" to land a man she desires but she wants a "fairy tale romance" where the man approaches her while she does nothing.
So since that's what she wants and insists upon, I just left her be. She's not my problem in any case.
She had said that I was a loser because I had met my wife online and romanced her from halfway across the world which, to me, is one of the most romantic things possible if you think about it. She wants this:
https://youtu.be/bGaztzbzTpg?t=104
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
They really spent a lot of time and resources telling women they were valuable and worth it. Now an unsuccessful one can criticise a successful man and call him a loser because he used tactics that worked, while hers do not. Women have come a long way from the Jane Austin days when their training all led to landing a husband.
Through history how often have men chatted up random unknown women and then married them? Until the 20th century it was a very minority way to meet a spouse. You either made a match from your circle of friends or someone -friend, relative, parent, marriage broker- introduced you to someone. To use the internet and search is just to use a go between. This is a more sensible strategy than chatting up randoms about whom you know nothing and with whom you may be compatible for a STR but are highly unlikely to be compatible for a LTR. Even gen Z seem to be realising this and they are not even always sure what the definition of a woman is. .
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Super fun video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArlY8EKc8Vw
Pause at moments and marvel at how times have changed. In 1930, a majority of people married before they were 21 hence they would have met their spouse via going to weddings ("family"), high school, or "church". Not literally during services but I expect that church festivals were common places for young men and women to fraternize. Girls would go to church in their "sunday best" and so caught the eyes of young men to perhaps buy her a "drink" for a bingo game. :-)
It's interesting that Mrs Degrees aren't as common as we would think, but back in the 1970's, probably about a majority of college attendees were men and co-ed relationships were less common than high school which was fully 50:50.
"Bars" were apparently popular in the 1970's amazingly enough. That was probably an interesting time (before my time) when it was possible to enjoy the casual sex lifestyle and STILL find a girl who might be marriage material. Austin Powers was rightly upset when they thawed him: Between 1960 to 1990, everything went to hell.
I don't think this young woman believes she's all that valuable, really. She just simply WANTS the "fairy tale" and refuses to give it up similar to her perhaps wanting to be less fat but she doesn't want to diet and exercise. When it comes to relationships with men, they lose the mental ability to associate cause and effect.
I suppose that's why she called me a "loser" in that me not getting a spouse "in the right way" is "cheating" from her perspective similar to winning a football game by underinflating the balls? She finds how the relationship occurs to be more important than the actual thing, hence why women divorce so casually: They view a relationship to not have any inherent value (even as there are videos of them crying about wanting a "soulmate" to share their lives with). They care about the cool story to tell their friends, to show off some bling, perhaps blow $8000 on a wedding dress, or to golddig and get some money out of him, but the relationship itself? That's LEVERAGE against him to get those things hence why it's difficult to sympathize with them crying about loneliness when they'd rather be lonely than get a perfect relationship if it meant approaching a man and asking him out.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Very nice video. Thanks. I would be glad to know how they define a couple too. Married? Dating? With children? this might give more refined data on recent times.
My grandparents were introduced by a relative who wanted to match make. My parents met at church.
This sort of data does show that the young men who come here all worried about their "approach skills" maybe should be more worried about their social networks and their ability to converse after matching on the internet.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Yup. Stick to rando Tinder pussy when all you want is sex since they can't fuck with your social circle and cause drama as easily if they don't know any of them. Women in this path mostly cap out at concubine tier at best as far as their actual value. Some get lucky and do better but are a ticking time bomb.
For relationships stick to ones where you know enough of their social circle to help keep them in line. (This is where vetting her friends and family is super important - they have to be people that will disown her ass if she behaves badly) This will be where the majority of wife tier candidates are.
Issue women are running into is they are self selecting themselves into the first category and good luck recovering from that. To the point that the default "safe" assumption for men to make is that a woman with any social media presence at all is a either an outright tinder sloot or a crypto tinder sloot.