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Forums.Red / WhereAreAllTheGoodMen / Leftovers

I don't think I want to be someone's girlfriend forever.
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polishknight

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Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

If marriage really was that important to you, then why were you not able to lock down a quality man in your prime 15-21 years ago?

My guess is that she wasted her best years riding random Chad cock.

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 11mo ago

Translated:

without the title of "wife" and the status it confers and the ability to take half his shit when I get bored in a few years, there's no point to being in a relationship with him.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago

Good catch on the tiktok, thanks.

I'm chuckling because 25 years ago I rented a room from a pop psychologist who wrote a "The Rules" type book that encouraged women to engage in serial monogamy. Just exploit a man for what you want out of him and move on when convenient. She remains single.

We may be entering an era when older men with choices realize there's no point to getting married. He may be worried about the state being a common-law marriage or palimony situation so he avoids co-habitation.

Didja catch that she complains she is tired of asking men "what they do for work?"

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Pic889 11mo ago

He may be worried about the state being a common-law marriage or palimony situation so he avoids co-habitation.

An important clarification: There is no such thing as "palimony". Any "palimony" lawsuits were based on verbal contract law, and none of the were successful, because proving a verbal contract is very hard if not impossible. Basically if you never promise a woman (or anyone for that matter) that you will support them financially, you are clear of any "palimony" lawsuits. This is true regardless of whether you've let her move in or not.

"Common-law marriage" applies only in some very specific jurisdictions, so just not live there, I guess.

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GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

There is no point in the present day and age to get married - the women out there are pretty bad. And this is coming from a guy that pulled the plug on his prior marriage, got reamed financially, and built back up. So it isn't from the perspective of being utterly broke and down, though it was tough right after, I can tell you that.

If I meet a super-rare woman, even that wouldn't push it over the line, because I know what lurks as a penalty for the shifting whims of emotionally-based females. I've made peace with the fact that my trajectory will be a bouncing shiny ball down the pachinko machine pegs. It might change in a generation or two, who knows.

Fuck if that matters now, really. I suppose we have to hit rock bottom before it can.

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 11mo ago

Didja catch that she complains she is tired of asking men "what they do for work?"

Haha. My immediate crass, smartass thought was to say "then don't ask them that!"

But how else will she mine for the intel about the man's resources she can extract?!

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 11mo ago

It must be so tiring.

If all men could just be forced to include a list of their assets minus liabilities, plus the last 3 years of earnings before tax, then this could be so much easier for these poor women.

My heart bleeds for them.

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NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

Pretty sure those "upscale" dating sites make the men do exactly that, plus fees - for exactly this reason.

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Justanaverageguy 11mo ago

Goddamn nothing used to grind my gears more then some hoe leading with “so what do you do for work?” within the first conversation. They can’t even tone down their gold digger ways for a few weeks, gotta be all in your face with it from the get go. It’s especially bad on online dating.

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Pic889 11mo ago

I personally like it that way, let the gold-digger expose herself right off the bat.

That way you won't have any remorse when 4 months down the line you tell her you'll never ever get married so that she ends the relationship voluntarily without you having to lift a finger. Which is exactly what this guy did after he had his fun with her. Good for him.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 11mo ago

My go to response was 'probation officer'

Don't know why. I just thought it was funny.

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Justanaverageguy 11mo ago

Some of them hoes be getting nervous around you after hearing that, knowing they got warrants out lol

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 11mo ago

Back when I was single, it didn't bother me too much because it seemed like a decent icebreaker and way to learn a bit about each other. I also didn't yet realize just to what extent women viewed us as utility objects.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago

It's sometimes an innocent question to break the ice, but it's also ideal camouflage for golddiggers. The teenager girls used to ask "What kind of car do you drive?" I was thinking it would be fun to mess with them and say:

"Well, I have a Ferrari F8 Spider but it's in the shop half of the time so I have a Mercedes G Class for my daily driver for grocery shopping at Wegmans."

I was friends with a guy who had some obscure sports car I had never heard of it and he drove it about 10 mph because he was worried about scraping it on a speed bump.

My opener (for parties and such) is to ask someone what's the current or last book they read.

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Pic889 11mo ago

Rent a car from Turo and drive her around in it just enough to shag her maybe?

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JudgeSmales 11mo ago

Wanna see a date's brain explode? Ask her favorite piece of classical music and WHY? Weeds them out very quickly.

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

Unfortunately, this will make the door wide open for, as one of the mods use the term: "corporate nuns".

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MentORPHEUS TRP Endorsed 11mo ago

E. Power Biggs intensifies

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 11mo ago

Can we please stop with this 'half of his shit' myth?

its actually not half. It's more usually about 350 - 900% "of of his shit", once you factor in the net present value of the income stream that the courts mandate.

For those reading that aren't good at numbers - you will likely lose several times your total net worth in a divorce.

Yup.

I know.

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Pic889 11mo ago

How does this work? I guess you have to provide "maintenance payments" for a while, but they don't last forever, eventually she gets of your back, right? And you can have the court adjust the payments downwards if your income goes down.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 10mo ago

How does it work?

You get fucked, because you are a man, and therefore racist and evil. And she is a woman, therefore the victim.

That is how it works.

So she will get at least half of your assets or more, and then monthly payments so that she doesn't have to work.

Because while women must have the right to work (and be promoted above their skill levels) they can't be expected to work.

Now get back to work, you lazy, racist, sexist pig.

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Pic889 10mo ago

Still, the monthly payments stop eventually, that's all I am saying. But yes, if you count it the monthly payments, the "weaker party" (financially speaking) ends up taking more than half the stuff of the other person. Don't get married, it's that simple.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 10mo ago

"The monthly payments stop eventually" they can go on for decades.

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Pic889 10mo ago

Even without a child involved?

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 10mo ago

Even without a kid involved.

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 11mo ago

My brother's ex-wife divorced him about 7 years ago, IIRC. They were together for 5 or 6 years, I think, and only maybe 2 of those were good.

He and his current wife* are only just starting to climb out of the financial hole into which she casually tossed him.

*Yeah, he didn't learn, but his new wife's a pretty good egg; I'm reasonably confident things will work out better for him this time - provided she doesn't have an emotional meltdown and nuke everything when the reality that she waited too long to try to have kids finally sinks in.

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Justanaverageguy 11mo ago

Last girl I dated for 4 months broke up with me cause I didn’t want her to move in, in the 2nd month of knowing each other and didn’t want to propose to her in the 3rd month of dating her. She thought I was stupid, I was not.lol

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Pic889 11mo ago

Why not let her move in? It doesn't give her any legal rights to your bank account in jurisdictions where "common-law marriage" isn't a thing (which is most jurisdictions), and she is more available to you.

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 11mo ago

Squatters' rights can complicate things, preventing you from just tossing her out.

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Pic889 10mo ago

Lol no, someone living in a house with your permission is not "squatting", no such legal case has ever existed.

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 10mo ago Stickied

A'ight, I dun goof'd saying "squatters". Mea culpa.

Anyway, allowing a woman to live with you is a terrible idea. Even without a lease, depending on your local laws, there's a point at which she stops being a guest (whom you can eject and get the cops to help if necessary) to a tenant whom you must evict (which is a drawn out legal procedure that is a major headache, and during which she can cause all kinds of trouble).

Cohabiting is stupid.

From Rollo's classic article "Shacking Up":

Iron Rule of Tomassi #4

NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren’t married to or are not planning to marry within 6 months.

...which to add on to, planning to marry after you've taken the Red Pill is just dumb. Marriage is all downside and zero upside for men.

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Pic889 10mo ago

Even if you have to evict her (I haven't seen any source this is true, I mean, she can't even prove she lived in your house for an X number of months if she doesn't have a lease signed), even then it's not the end of the world, you get a lawyer to evict her and that's it (easy if you pretend a family member wants to move in btw).

Now, I am sure men like Rollo Tomassi who plough bars and clubs every day and who have all the time in the world would never do the live-in lifestyle and prefer to drive to their women every day (yes, women, plural), but for men who want a normal (monogamous but not married) relationship and also have jobs and cannot drive to a woman every day, co-habilitation is tempting, and I can't see any long-term risk.

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 10mo ago

Do whatever you want. It's your life.

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Kloi 11mo ago

I don't know your age but it's wild to me the amount of people in my generation that move in together within months of dating. Get married with in a year.

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Justanaverageguy 11mo ago

I’m 43 she’s 38. I’m too old to play house or landlord.

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago

They grew up using an approach to relationships that could almost be described as "slash and burn" and are surprised when later in life the only fields left are now barren where no fucks grow.

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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 11mo ago

This is exactly why I advocate for having a serious and straightforward conversation about your goals and intentions, as it prevents situations like this where you suddenly find out you do not have your goals aligned with the person you are dating. My wife and I did in less than a month, and we were not disappointed to find out we both wanted marriage in our future.

As for this woman, she did not have any winning moves that could be made. He did not want marriage, and there is no way she would convince him otherwise. And if we factor out this man, what does this woman offer for a man who would want marriage? She is too old to be having children (at best she might get a buzzer beater baby, and that is a big IF), and most men her age that are unmarried are that way for a reason. They are either divorced and do not want to go through that song and dance again, are happy as unmarried men, or are the men she would never give a real chance to. She is 2 decades too late to be thinking that marriage is a likely prospect for her future.

So when I say that women need to take things seriously for relationships early on, I mean both in terms of their age and within the context of a relationship. Any concern about "scaring off" someone with relationship talk is wrongly placed, as the people you would scare off are those who do not want a relationship. I don't mean you have to get married immediately, but rather you should know where the other person stands before the relationship advances too far.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago

"Any concern about "scaring off" someone with relationship talk is wrongly placed, as the people you would scare off are those who do not want a relationship"

I do know that nearly all the corporate nuns I dated back in the early 90's were "scared off" or found it beta for me to talk about traditional desires early on in the relationship. They wanted the standard "fun" courtship ritual and escalation and then it's up to the "leader" to breech that subject.

I'm chuckling because my wife wasn't anything like that: At age 26 after a few months of dating, she said "Are you going to ask me to marry you, OR WHAT!?!?" But that's different in that she was a young woman who was being family minded, and not someone at the last moment perhaps looking for an ATM/sperm donor and I daresay that there will be men who are interested in serious relationships who will be scared off by older women trying to rope them into commitment too early or even talking too much about it.

After all, these women wanted "independence" and if they're in their 30's, they certainly enjoyed it up to then. Now they have to be like in the olympics and get in the boxing ring in the dating marketplace on equal terms.

Her likely problem is that she could date with intention and there's be tons of men interested, but probably few she'd consider "average" (As in top 80 percentile).

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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 11mo ago

nearly all the corporate nuns I dated back in the early 90's were "scared off" or found it beta for me to talk about traditional desires early on in the relationship. They wanted the standard "fun" courtship ritual and escalation

I would guess that these women also wanted things to "just happen" rather than take active roles in directing their own lives. But such a mindset is foolish and completely unsuitable for any marriage prospects. Such women are more likely to find themselves in a desparate rush to get married in their 30s when they realize they can no longer afford the time to "just have fun," and it serves them right if they were not willing to take their own lives more seriously when they had the best chance to capitalize on opportunities.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

She was probably reasonably attractive when she was younger. Another woman who has no one to blame for her failures in life but herself.

Why is it so important to be a wife now? Why wasn’t it important fifteen years ago?

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Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 11mo ago

Why is it so important to be a wife now? Why wasn’t it important fifteen years ago?

Because now she's getting tired of working and wants to step back a bit (or a lot). And those bills won't pay for themselves.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

I’m interested in moving on from my current job and I’ve been browsing roles. Came across one and knew a female ex-coworker of mine joined that company, so went on LinkedIn to check what she’s up to. Well, after investing all the up to a STEM masters degree, she is now a housewife and has a low effort side hustle (ironically in a more “feminine” field). Guess she hit 35 and decided that living like a man was “hard” and found a way to escape the rat race. Kind of funny that she is nowhere near as attractive as this woman, and actually looks haggard (like she’s already in her 50’s), and I’m sure she’s a massive Karen in her neighborhood.

But yes, it’s amazing, once women stop being rewarded for nothing but being a woman, suddenly life becomes hard.

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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 11mo ago

But you don't understand, it has been a dream of hers to be married! Which is why she is still in her 40s and unmarried. It is not as if she does not have plenty of time to get married, she has about half the years left on her life to do that!

Back to being serious, it clearly was not important enough for her to get married because she would not be a never married woman if she really wanted marriage. Women who want marriage must make it a high priority, not waste time on anything that detracts from that outcome. That means no "for fun only"/unserious relationships (i.e. no relationships that do not correspond with someone who is a potential future husband), no "I'm focused on my career" talk, and any other action or decisions that obstruct her from the goal of marriage.

I don't think my statements are unreasonable, as I place this expectation on both men and women who claim that they want marriage. Though men have more time on their side, so it means that women need to be more strict than men in terms of timing.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

Also, men require a lot more work before they become marriage material. This is evidenced by the astronomical divorce rate of couples before the age of 25 (young woman marries young man, ends up not liking his trajectory and bails, take as old as time) and general age preferences of women (most women are happiest when their man is a few years older). So a man can actually mess around in his twenties, because women often don’t even take him seriously. It’s the opposite for women, who are taken seriously the instant they turn 18 and less over time.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 11mo ago

It sounds very much like he is nexting this chick, but she is too dumb to realise it.

If he really did want her to stick around, he would not tell her what he just told her. There's nothing to be gained from this. He is obviously just dumping her.

By the picture, she looks pretty good. She isn't fat, not a single mum, no tats are other signs of insanity and she looks very good looking.

Which is probably the problem - good looking 41 year old women are a fucking pain in the ass. They have spent their entire lives on easy mode, being treated like a princess. I bet she is as crazy as a celebrity by now - because her life has basically been very similar to a celebrity.

I'm guessing her boyfriend is simply sick of her shit.

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Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 11mo ago

I bet she is as crazy as a celebrity by now - because her life has basically been very similar to a celebrity.

Well, I guess you're not wrong.

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

she looks pretty good.

If I may be "that guy":

  1. Hair lacks length, density, and lustre: Lack of Zinc. This is why Zinc and hair is an important factor for me. Possibly also a result of years of birth control abuse.

  2. Lacks Collagen in her face.

  3. Muscle around the lenses of the eyes have started to loose grip
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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 11mo ago

I got the second plate as a friend for the first plate. Now I have two needy plates that demand all my attention!

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NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

A man's lifelong commitment is the prize here, what all women desire. They crave the security that comes along with this.

I don't want to be someone's girlfriend forever

Why not? Because it means SHE is disposable, and HE is not. After entering our culture's caricature of marriage, this is reversed.

The whole situation is just insane

No, it's actually one of the few sane situationships, and you're going to see way more of these. Women are going to have to continually earn a man's commitment by actually being a good partner - making herself useful, being respectful, and having a good attitude.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago

I was thinking that this woman's post was so revelatory for that reason: At a certain age, there's little reason for older men to marry, even the betas. The courtship system that these women approved of is based upon being wined, dined, and entertained and if he doesn't physically escalate and insist upon "try before you buy", he's viewed as a sap and friendzoned. Even if she intends to 'date with intent', the men she desires who have choices will opt for someone else and she knows it.

When I started dating in my early 20's, paying for a date was a significant financial cost but now it's not. Older men can afford to have serial girlfriends. Think about it: He rotates through these kinds of women every 4 months almost like a car lease. For about, say, 10 dates total he gets 3 months of so of sex.

On the other hand, if he did a second marriage and that went bust, he may not have anything left emotionally in the till to go on with life. Women in their 40's are aware that all the "good ones" are divorce raped by other women (pre-selection) and the single ones, particularly betas, are suspect. It's astonishing that these women are part of a system that uses "trade-ins" (car analogy again) of cars that were abused by previous owners hoping to get a reliable car out of it.

So back to your point: She has to live as a "girlfriend" for the rest of her life but this is LESS awful than men whose "marriages" were basically one-sided contracts where he paid the bills and she stuck around until she got bored. She merely would be living the life that most of us men had gone through.

This is going to be the new normal.

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OPStolen 11mo ago

This is so crazy to me. I know two girls who are kinda hoes. They’ve now ranted about having multiple men offer them the world. These are dudes in their late twenties with good jobs, nice paid off cars, and that live alone in an apartment or at least have only ONE roommate.

Every time they find a man like this, they tell me he asks one thing “I know we hooked up kinda easy so I know you’ve got other guys you’re fucking with. You drop them and stick with me and I’ve got you set”.

And every time they’re ranting to me, it’s always the same thing: I’d love to be with him, he’s a great guy, he’s just not interesting and the sex isn’t good.

IE there’s no tingles off a well-educated, successful man.

I no longer talk to those two because I realized I was just a beta to rant to for them. But, now that I’m turning into a successful man with my own apartment and middle class income, I wish I could see how both of them will end up in their 30’s.

If successful men are identifying the girls sleeping around and moving on when they’re asked to stop sleeping around and tell the man “no”, then it means women might get fucked over really hard once the new gen hits their 30’s.

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

Speaking of money, and exploiting men:

Just few hours ago, i had an """exchange""" with a Filipina (!) woman [disclaimer: I am Filipino now - not a pinoy, but when I needed, that country helped me - so I became Filipino]

In one group, she says that women don't leave men when the men are broke, but when the men mistreat them ... etc.

In the same breath, she comments, in the same group, to another post, that if you are broke as a man, then you should not even think about women - let alone date.

[ Tangent: You can now justify that men need to protect and provide lala la la ...

Then what do the women need to do? The usual answer is """nurture""" - If she can't nurture me when I am broke, why do I need her """nurturing""" later?

Children? Why would I want the genes of such a woman in my bloodline?

I myself fell in that trap once, then went totally broke, and she left. So I am not a red pill benchmark either, but I have learned my lessons; and my life is limited, so not gonna play such compromise games now. Doll > woman, etc. I understand that I am speaking some clichés but I should be honest about my BP history. ]

Back to the point:

Women and their lies around money and exploiting me for it and their ability to lie in the same breath will never cease to amaze me.

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Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 11mo ago

Filipina

Ahhhhh. Anyone remember Sundae411.

Lmfao

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

Sundae411

I dont, please tell me about this.

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Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 11mo ago

Omfg lmao. I'll have to dig up his shit and post it.

Man was obsessed with Filipinas. This guy made the last two years of spergs after him look like amateurs

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

obsessed with Filipinas

Lot's of men in the west are. But all the Filippinas i know are cutthroat calculative b..tches.

then again, I remember a story of a buddy of mine who went to Mexico and every woman was lining up to s..k his you know what. He tells me I should go there...

Then I told him a story of a mexican I was very much molten down for. She didn't like me, but she said if i went to mexico, I would have to beat the women with a stick to go away from me.

I told the said buddy the same story, and said I always wondered, if I am supposed to be that attractive among mexican women, why not this one like me.

He explained to me, and the explanation is the textbook RP answer, which will not surprise anyone.

Somehow it'd appear same logic applies on Pinoy women too.

Nothing surprising, just textbook things repeating. Women are same across the cultures.

But to me personally, the obviousness of such obvious textbook results sometimes elicits an odd sensation in my brain.

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

Age 41 is the tail of GenX and the beginning of Millennials. Remember that Millennials are also known as the Echo-Boomers because there are so many. So she's from a larger cohort dating older men of a smaller cohort. Yet she's still holding out for marriage.

There's been a slew of videos recently of translated stuff from China about leftover women. For a moment they had too many men due to the 1 child policy and now they have a population collapse. This led the women to become extremely picky, demand high bride prices, and basically become leftover women age 30+ with no prospects other than divorced or broke guys.

So here we are entering the late stages of the war against men. The bodies are piling up, globally. Lowest birth rates in human history. Least marriages in history. Yet these women still demand marriage on into their dying years.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago

Interesting because how this demographic ratio was reversed between boomers and Gen-Xers: A small set of Gen-X women with affirmative action jobs demanding abundant traditional Boomer men who enjoyed an era of relative affluence. It was a golden age for trad-TERF feminism between 1980 to 1995 or so. Housing, education, and healthcare was all cheap. So oppressive! :-)

So what do millennial women get? All the benefits of progressivism: low wages due to women and men competing in the workforce, mass cheap labor immigration, and a higher cost of living from more people competing for jobs and resources AND 2 generations of divorce to jade them all by the age of 40 and 50.

Oh, but they get all the trash tattoos they want, colored hair, and they can bring an emotional support animal to work (in between mass layoffs!).

My 90 year old father-in-law is visiting from Ukraine and I want to make a video record of his childhood experiences dodging bullets to "steal food" from their own farm. My wife came of age under communism. I suffered a terrible childhood. I think of all the privations I, and those I know, went through for the past century but there's a personal hell that these women are now entering into. I'm thinking of Depeche Mode's "Personal Jesus" as I type this but instead "personal hell".

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

Another interesting point is if you look at Red Pill it was all invented by GenX. I guess we just got forced into such a shitty dating market and workplace that we decided to nuke the whole thing and expose female nature.

And now it's out there and there's nothing the ladies can do about it. Boy did they try with their cancel culture, shaming tactics, etc. And now all generations of men are taking their ball and going home. Every country.

And to your point, when I saw all these Chinese videos of guys telling other guys not to simp, I realized how big of a problem this is for women going forward. Can't put the genie back in the bottle. I've even seen a bunch of companies and universities get rid of the DEI departments.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago

I'm amused how they tried to use the incel slur against men (although back in.the 1980's, they'd say "bitter boy"). I quickly defuse them by simply saying I have gone to brothels so I'm definitely now an incel and I watch their brains fry like one of Austin Power's fembots. They'd try to shame me on that back then, and I'd point out that it's just like dinner dates except I'm guaranteed to get laid.

What I would love to talk to some assies about, if they're here, is the impact of legalized prostitution on Australia. Cultures have momentum so, like the Titanic, they don't turn on a dime, but still, I have to wonder if there will be a plethora of women giving up sex for cash without BS will that ultimately impact the culture?

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

I can tell you, after living in Thailand for 4 years, that legal/unenforced prostitution has the effect of normalizing the sexual market place. Strip clubs become unprofitable, gold digging only lasts a very short time, unpleasant women get shown the door, total bitches get their faces punched in by other women, etc. I wish I knew the search term but there was a bunch of youtube videos of entitled, drunk Western women getting their asses handed to them in Thailand.

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

In , e.g. the Nordic countries, women have successfully outlawed prostitution. Selling is allowed, buying is illegal.

So there are "date places" like restaurants where they charge you a great price, but give you a cookie - and kitty.

In Germany saying that you go to brothel would make women go fully mad : "how dare you exploit poor women !!! "

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago

Explain "date places" to me? What do you mean.a "great price?" You mean high price but the girl is "friendly"? Sort of like a money laundry brothel? Buy a car wash for $400 and there's a bag of weed in the glove box as you drive out?

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

I guess bad choice of words. Date place, i.e. places where women want Beta men to take them to, e.g. expensive restaurant(s). Note that the keyword is Expensive, but not highly rated or classy.

Great price: A great amount of money. Again, I was half asleep and bad choice of words.

Yes, it is indeed like the car wash you describe. You pay 10x the price of food, but Girls are all over you and the sucky sucky is free.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago Stickied

I'm reminded of a cute story a colleague told me:

He was a tourist in Baltimore and wanted to go to the Edgar Allen Poe gravesite (I've been there as well). Baltimore is a run-down city and ironically a fitting resting place for Poe who had a gothic, grim outlook on life.

So he saw one of the locals and stopped to ask for directions to Edgar Allen Poe and the hood rat said "10 bucks". So he went along with it and the guy dropped a bag of something on the ground and a police car flashers went on. The guy ran away.

It turns out that "Edgar Allen Poe" is local slang for some type of drug. I tried to google it and didn't find out. The policeman was pissed and warned him to go away and not come back.

I was thinking about what women dislike about prostitution: It's the concept of men having entitlement to sex, even if earned, while women prefer a "romantic" view of men being beggars for sex. One even said after marriage "consent" should still apply and he should ask for sex even as women find such behavior disgusting and beta.

We don't like to think about it, but we're "wage slaves" in that if we want to get paid, we have to work, but women's "liberation" is the notion of doing things when they feel like it. Work at jobs that are as pleasant as possible, have sex when it suits her (but she gets paid), and this "princess" mentality of the world (namely men) literally owing her a living.

They HATE the idea that men are paying for dates because we want sex and some men are brainwashed to believe in what they tell women: They like paying because they're "gentlemen" like a dog that continues to salivate for years after a bell is rung but he doesn't get treats.

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

what women dislike about prostitution

I'll add an edge case, not a general trend: It also appears to me, that even some prostitutes hate prostitution - there is some degree of internalized hatred, as there is no way that a prostitute will get to the same level as an engineer.

I wish to elaborate:

I have previously posted here my essay on another platform about """mature""" women. That is an extension of the lectures / tutoriums I hold to discuss knowledge management in Aerospace Engineering.

The baseline is, I discuss about Air Asia Flight 8501, Air France Flight 447, American Airlines Flight 587, etc and close the presentation chapter by saying "No survivors", some of my listeners will shade a tear or two. As engineers, they are often willing to go 100s of kilometers (or miles) extra beyond what is asked of them, and make things better/safer for the End user.

Do all Engineers do it? H**l no. Very few. But those are the ones, that draw respect to the vocation/profession of Engineering.

Now, compare this to a camgirl/prostitute. Will they go towards even 0.0001 mile extra for their end user (without judging them in any way?) - And so far I have seen, it is a no. This is why Prostitution isn't real work. No matter now hard it is to insert a phallic object in a bodily orifice might be.

I think prostitutes themselves know that. That is why they try to cover this by virtue signaling, and other tricks, and footstomp that prostitution is real work. But if a man can see it for what it is, purchasing a release À la carte, then their ruse is off.

That is why some current, and almost all retired prostitutes hate it.

And it is easy to cover their hate under the guise of protecting women, because men's desire of youth and intimacy can be dangerously close to illegal activity and therefore can be criminalized by adjusting the threshold, giving women ultimate power.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago

I think you misunderstand me: Most women have a pathological love-hate relationship with prostitution in that it's not only normalized, but even mandatory for them. They feel miserable if they can't get men to pay for sex somehow even if only putting on a dog-and-pony show. On the other hand, they find it distasteful that men are trying to get sex out of them in exchange for the goodies.

"sex workers" including meal whores, golddigers, attention vampires, strippers, find these men to be beta and repulsive and are angry that they have to display affection, even sleep with them. In general, most modern women aside from long married women have this pathology.

I'd say the other relatively well adjusted women were those who worked in brothels. Not all of them, of course, because women are women after all.

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

And , western media is trying to portray this as Men Bad ™. I recently saw an article saying meet the incels and misogynists of Asia... Did not read it tho, not gonna give them my attention

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

Oh boy I'm sure that will go over well in Asia. Where actual shaming of women IS practiced openly. Where if you're fat they tell you straight to your face.

Anyway I searched for that article and got dozens of identical and eerily similar articles from a ton of outlets. Like an intentional PsyOp the CIA would undertake.

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

Yes, modern media is a self sustaining automaton who works that way.

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago

Or it's some bored Karen posting her feminist drivel on every site that takes articles from anyone.

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