Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
polishknight
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 7mo ago Stickied
When OP posted this at the WAATGM tribe to get a mod call on whether it fit the forum posting rules, a decent discussion ensued there as well.
A particular comment from Senior Hamster Analyst @Problematic_Browser has the following excerpt:
It reminded me strongly of this comment I had made at that lesser website a few years ago:
As you pay attention to frustrated people of both sexes, you'll see more and more how their frustrations stem from imitating what they want in the opposite sex, rendering themselves unattractive.
Yet another way feminism has poisoned generations of both men and women: the myth of the interchangeable equals.
Mundane_Worldliness7 Sr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
It really is the classic problem of women projecting themselves onto men and confusing what they like in men for what men like in women. This mass category error of female dating strategy. You see it daily, women are flabbergasted when the successful dentist marries the beautiful and sweet hygienist and not a female dentist.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
It's my contention that, amazingly, women often don't really want, quote, "nice, sensitive, loyal, emotionally vulnerable men" or at least at first because they associate those with "weak" men. These women aren't responsible for thinking long term but rather go on "chemistry" and "tingles" so I know guys who are otherwise hot who really were "nice guys" but got rejected. Later on, of course, these same women might gripe that the "tingles" guy was lousy to live with and then try to pull a triple mating strategy: Dump the tingles guy, get "niceness" from some beta, then after her life is back together dump the beta and go back to the tingles guy.
We're in an age when many men may simply not be able to get access to women, short or long term, without game. Simple self-improvement is insufficient since such women don't want "real" men but rather someone who presents to her qualities that suits her for that moment in the relationship.
A neat analogy is with children. A local petting zoo had a gift shop you had to go through to reach the exit and my 7 year old saw all kinds of goodies she wanted. I had to literally drag her kicking and screaming through it. I was cursing the whole way. Women lack the basic discipline to get through a "gift shop" without buying crap.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
That's not a good analogy, that's a spoiled kid that needs to be told "no" more often and maybe smacked. If that's the behavior at seven, you're going to have a rough time in a few years. A father should never be frustrated. He simply gives commands and expects them to be obeyed - the first time. If they are not... well, my girls never go down that road.
Edit: Ok, I suppose most women need to be told "no" and smacked too. So maybe the analogy works a bit.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 7mo ago
The way things "should" be is often at odds with how things actually are.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 7mo ago
The way things should be is often at odds with the law, too. A couple of weeks ago I read something about how parenting has radically changed in just the past few decades. The writer compared two lists of tasks a child should be able to do to attend first grade: one from today and one from when I was in grade school. It’s not an exaggeration to say that allowing a child to do some of the things from the older list would get the parents arrested and the children seized by Child “Protective” Services.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 7mo ago
Ooh, like what?
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 7mo ago
I don’t have the list, but I recall one of the items as being able to walk to and from school alone. I spend those years in a large city, and routinely got myself to and from school by walking. Nowadays a six-year-old walking through a city alone would result in lights and sirens.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
@NotaBene @Typo-MAGAshiv Parenting is a job given to someone with zero experience so I appreciate I can do things better.
That being said, I don't think my reaction was all that bad in that my daughter just had a wonderful time at the petting zoo and I didn't want her experience to end with harsh punishment crying on the way home.
Consider: She kicked and screamed and my "NO!" didn't change. I showed her that whatever she did, she wasn't going to change my mind. Later in life, when she's a teenager and adult, I'm not going to have the option to slap her to enforce discipline.
Later on, when we would go out, I'd tell her and my wife: "She has to behave and not act up otherwise we're not going" and I'd get a buy-in from both of them. So in the long run, she learned discipline without it being "Well, he can hit me for NOW but when he can't..."
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
Yeah I'm not trying to be overly critical, especially because this isn't the place for unsolicited advice on parenting. I just don't like to see those kids where the parent(s) worry too much but can't say no to anything. You know the ones. Not saying your kid is that, just the idea makes me mad. It's bad for the kids.
Personally I think the ideal in marriage, parenting, or any leadership role is to get to a point where you always "speak softly" but no one wants to see the stick. Restrained power. Every husband should be the alpha of his own household.
I've known parents who spank their kids every day, sometimes multiple times a day, and that's just bad parenting... boring and ineffective use of a big stick. But on the other hand, if you find yourself cursing and getting frustrated, something could be wrong there, too. Just my two cents, FWIW.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
Another thing to consider is that it's easy to be an armchair quarterback and call the plays from the stands. When this stuff happens, I have a split second to make a decision.
Something else to consider is that albeit my approach is flawed, I don't want her to turn out to be a Butters (from South Park) whose so disciplined by their parents that they become goodie two shoes and pushovers at school.
My daughter is one of the kids other kids want to be friends with and see her in a leadership role. She expresses herself and challenges boundaries and accepts feedback when she oversteps them. This is important because I don't want her to be a follower in a hivemind culture that pushes the worst possible values.
She's also a work in progress. We have plenty of time and we monitor her progress routinely and change tactics and strategy when needed.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 7mo ago
Teaching girls to be leaders is pretty much always a mistake. Instead, teach her to be a wise follower: her future husband will thank you.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
I just had a discussion blow up elsewhere on TRP WAATGM so I don't want to get too deep into this, but rather propose some ways of looking at what we mean by such terms such as:
What the heck does one mean by a "wise follower?"
Please don't answer that (it's rhetorical) in that many answer it wrongly such as women becoming trad-thots demanding men "lead" while they demand he mind reads what she wants, and so on. Also, I don't want to hand her off to a husband who may not be a good guy. As a good leader, or I attempt to be, I earn my daughter's trust showing her that my ego comes secondary, always, to her best interests. I think by educating her to RP concepts (for women) before she comes of teenage age and gets BP'd, it would be useful.
The reason why it's tough to get women off of their version of the BP is that it's like an 8 ball of coke and H. They get massive attention, told what they want to hear, have a good time, and are told to ignore what the loser naysayers have to say. I want her to feel that she can trust me absolutely and for that, I want her to know she can trust herself because I gave her that ability. That she knows I'll always be with her, always, in that I gave her the tools to stand up for herself and the values I shared with her against a world from an early age.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
At least she has a dad, that's already puts her above most girls these days, in every measurable metric.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
Women have no idea what that means. We used to send women to finishing schools to teach them to be agreeable, hospitable caretakers - wives and mothers who could run their husband's household. Now we load them up with debt, sexual experience, alcohol, and worthless degrees, and they think they are "well-educated".
They know nothing. When my wife and I were married, she couldn't a single dinner/dish. Not one. But she had a college degree! She knew nothing. Fortunately she has been able to learn that submission, respect, and obedience are the primary ways of relating to her man. Everything else flows from that.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
I knew an 80 year old actress and I regret not asking her about that era in regards to "finishing schools". Were "finishing schools" really "wife schools" like on The Man Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2BUYHVv1rw
Or were they just extended high schools for the bourgeois of the era to kill some time while she went husband shopping?
It's not just women in that when I came of age in the 80's, there was little preparation for life with an emphasis on "College prep" in High School and men and women both told to bone down in college to get a degree with contradictory life values being taught. I personally sought out the best books I could at the time on soft skills and people marvel that with my limited resources I achieved more than others because what good is a master's degree for a man and a great job if he's divorced at 35 and paying half of his take home pay to an ex-wife to poison his own children?
My wife was a combination city girl who sent to school but spent summers in the country so a good combo and she can cook, clean, and has a good home work ethic. Modern women of today either have not done many chores at home and had their college paid off by their parents who also provided a dormitory food plan so they don't need to cook. Costco has lots of delicious pre-made meals you can pop into the oven.
After multiple generations of meal-whores who either were golddiggers and then divorced, their daughters having grown up to ride the CC and then marry in their late 20's (older millennials), I suppose the Zoomers are doomed.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
Yeah I doubt that finishing schools were ever the best solution or even that effective. Just saying there was a time when we didn't send young women to the absolute worst place they could go at 18.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 7mo ago
Part of me wants to illustrate an alternate scenario of a man dropping his daughter at a literal whorehouse just to play devil's advocate.
Thing is, I'm pretty sure that would actually be the less harmful option.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
The only responsible (and traditional) solution for a father is to transfer the ownership of his daughter to other responsible male leadership. The idea of a rogue female running around NOT under any kind of male authority would baffle our ancestors.
I believe women can be more than merely a piece of property, but they are certainly that as a starting point. And in general, what men truly own, we will take care of.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
If the other choice is a Type-A elitist HyperCunt with her switch permanently stuck on "Bitch"....then absolutely. You'd think a truly smart woman would be able to figure out when to shut the fuck up instead of telling on herself.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
One of the stories I love to tell, to my wife's chagrin, is when we were coming back to the states and going through passport control, the agent asks if I have any cigarettes and I said no. My wife speaks up and says: "You forget to tell him about all the bottles of vodka". The agent smiled at me sympathetically and waved me by.
Did she learn a lesson? Er, no.
We're in the green card interview for my wife and the woman agent asked us for various documents including some medical papers on vaccines. I didn't see such a notice at the time and didn't have them so she said "ok" and then asked some other questions and I had everything. She said: "Congratulations! Now stand up and raise you hand for the oath and we'll get you on your way."
And my wife pipes up: "You forgot about the vaccine paperwork!"
The agent says "Oh, you're right! You'll need to do that before we can swear you in."
I had the day off so I took her to the county health clinic and she was rewarded with 2 shots on each arm like a pin cushion.
After that, she was (mostly) good at knowing when to keep her trap shut.
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
I love when deluded women post things like this.
She won't learn, doesn't want to learn as she pines away with the wrinkles deepening and any looks she had (if any) decaying rapidly.
Yes queen, everyone is just so intimidated and I have NO idea why your insufferable cunty ass can't get what you want. Maybe you should double-down and ask your other idiot friends what to do, because nothing says original thinking like consulting a group of women whose primary impulse is not to 'rock the boat' and just affirm your stupid bullshit until the end of time.
So delicious. Yes sweetie, keep it up, men can smell this bullshit from a mile away, so don't stop furiously flinging shit into the sky while ranting.
ZZoMBiE13 7mo ago
"You'd think a truly smart woman..."
Stopped reading there. Pretty sure that's an oxymoron at this point.
Mundane_Worldliness7 Sr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
Indeed, a great many super smart women get a guy in college. There was a big thing a Yale some years ago when a female professor strongly recommended they do so.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 7mo ago
When I was growing up it was so common for women to go to university, meet a good guy, get married and settle down to start a family people openly joked about women going to school to get their "MRS degree."
These days I expect that would be considered offensive, even at BYU (the local private religious university), but it certainly seemed to work pretty well for the two or three generations who'd "oppressed themselves" before the feminist and Soviet subversion really kicked into high gear here.
Mundane_Worldliness7 Sr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
Surely not even at BYU? I’ve not been to Utah, but I think the wild girls go to the University of Utah, correct?
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 7mo ago
As I understand it, used to be the closest thing we had to a "party school" was the College of Eastern Utah. Maybe whatever the one down south used be called before it became Southern Utah University. I'm sure the U had its share of hanky panky going on but it was generally seen as a respectable institution.
Anymore, there's no such thing as an academic institution, be it public, private or even explicitly religious ain't just another breeding ground for degeneracy and subversive bullshit. My brother's told me the church leadership have taken the administrators at BYU to task a handful of times for what a leftist shit hole the school has become.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 7mo ago
Women suffer financially more than men when marriage ends??? Of course they do, further evidence that this is men putting more into the marriage than the woman.
Women suffer financially more when marriage ends = Women financially benefit from being married.
Women: you can't have it both ways..... you can't expect to profit from marriage and profit even more from divorce.
I couldn't stand to read the rest of this waffle, skimmed it, saw the usual woke hamstering.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
I’ve seen that study…. You know what it’s based on? Taxable income.
You know what isn’t taxable income and is given to many women?
Alimony and child support.
Put those two factors into the survey and the picture changes dramatically…. For both men and women.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 7mo ago
But they do! They absolutely get both!
That's one among the many, MANY, MANY reasons men are eschewing marriage now.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
I love that word "eschew"
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
Of course they're framed as victims by these 'studies'.
Funny story, not to doxx myself but lets say I had a very specialized job and got paid pretty well to do it. The marriage went downhill, I swallowed the red pill and realized what was going on (finally) and cut loose.
During the proceedings her lawyer made a big deal about my pay of course, and the argument is that she somehow 'backed' me and supported me so that is why I earned that salary.
Bullshit. She didn't have a single idea about what I did, how to do it, or even how to 'support' me at all - I pulled the plug because she was totally checked out and doing other shit that I don't want to get into. The absolute cheek of these bints to insist they get a cut based on knowledge a man built up on his own is just one of many deluded fantasies they have.
The story ends well though, not for her, of course. I'm in a position not to worry about finances - ever, and she's still grinding it out in her crappy job.
Feels good, man.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 7mo ago
The justification for the divorce 50% payout (plus house, car and alimony) was always that "you couldn't have done it without her, you were a team, she helped you get there".
Having seen how much of a fucking drag on your life women can be (especially the ones that lead to a divorce)...... fuck that shit. Most successful men are successful despite their wives, not because of them.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
@GimmeTheUsual Back in the 1940's or even before, it was expected that couples would get together incredibly young by today's standards, perhaps while he was still in college, and she not only had children at home but also worked part-time while he went to school. This is the origin of the doctor's ex-wife trope of a woman who spent 10 years putting him through medical school, giving up, say it with me now: "THE BEST YEARS OF HER LIFE" and then he discards her for the pretty nurse or secretary in his office and, you know, she would have a point in that case.
Heck, considering that paradigm it's amazing how women today "sacrifice the best years of their lives" for NOTHING. They blow their prettiest years on the CC, at clubs, or even just trying to get a promotion at work presumably to be "independent" and then try to find the perfect man in her 30's leveraging only her fading youth.
Most of the men I knew in the 90's weren't into the notion of providing for Jane Jetson to sit at home with robot servants (or actual ones, isn't it incredible how racist that robot maid's accent was?) and be on the hook for alimony. As everyone here knows about Kevin Costner, his ex-wife demanded "child" support because the children would suffer without a view of Malibu and a personal chef, a personal food preparer (yes, this was actually separately defined, because a chef shouldn't prepare food I guess), organizer, and so on.
I read of a case of an anesthesiologist (I spelled that correctly the first time, amazing) who married another one and they banked half a million a year together. The ideal power couple. As a liberated "independent woman" though, she divorced him a few years later and he was ordered to pay CS but the ex-wife remarried and got her new hubby to let her become a SAH mom so she demanded, get this, an adjustment in child-support since her net income was now zero. And the court made him pay it. She got to give up a 1/4 million salary and then demand more money from her ex.
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
Absolutely blood-boiling for sure, and it kills me that "family" law is so skewed. I get the original intent, but its been distorted to the point that there are men in financial shackles that aren't digging out of that hole -- perhaps ever. I know you're aware of this. Its just a subject that even now incenses me.
There is a probability of getting totally fucked over later as well, but I'm fortunate that the ability of the ex to litigate is severely reduced by her dwindling yearly earnings. Sure, she could find a lawyer willing to go to bat on a contigency basis, or accept sexual favors under the table (pun intended) but given how badly she's aged, I doubt this as well.
I'm still acutely aware of the potential for 'claw-backs', and there are plenty of men that weren't able to rebuild their finances like I have - and they have my full sympathy. Its financial slavery when a man is forced to hand over a substantial percentage of their future earnings to someone who frankly doesn't deserve it.
Even after all that, the old joke still holds true - "Why is divorce so expensive?" ... "Because its WORTH it."
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
I won't say my friend got a fair deal in family court, but it was pretty good. His ex-wife thought she was going to win the lottery but he came armed to the teeth with reports that she spent most nights out drinking and had DUIs. So the judge of course awarded JOINT custody (imagine getting joint custody if a man had DUIs and drank out most nights). In any case, zero alimony, $40/month child-support for her.
She then extended an olive branch and said she was interested in working things out but he was done. She was a woman scorned after that and nearly 20 years later, she's still on a rampage. She poisoned their daughter against him saying that he broke up the family because he refused to get back together and the daughter is now in her mid-20's and obese, blue hair, and face piercings. Yeah, that shows HIM! Literal "daddy issues".
It makes me wonder what if he got back together with her and could have prevented this? It would be the ultimate sacrifice and perhaps that's what many men go through with evil wives that if they left, their children's lives would be destroyed.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
Of course in an ideal world you would prefer to reproduce with a good specimen who is physically and socially capable and has drive. These characteristics tend to lead to success but when these days does female success actually benefit men? When it does men will roll up to risk their lives to start families with such women but a successful career in business does not necessarily lead to a successful career as a spouse or mother, in fact it can conflict fair bit.
The mistake feminists make is that they conflate what is good for women with what is good for men. Sometimes there is cross over- like when two very well educated successful people get together, earn loads, hire nannies, send kids to private schools and create intergenerational wealth but when there is little natural mutual benefit, there needs to be mutual compromise. Get with a "successful" modern woman and odds are the man will be making all the compromises in return for what? And he will still probably lose everything when she decides to quit on him.
Furthermore let us not forget than many men prefer to interact with women in ways that do not lead to reproduction -its expensive and takes away men's rights. In these cases those successful traits become much less desirable as opposed to "someone who will appreciate me, make me feel good, feel I am an asset to them, be glad of me not disappointed in me because I am not more successful than her"
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
"The mistake feminists make is that they conflate what is good for women with what is good for men."
Well, I'd say yes and no to that.
They like to think that whatever they're doing and like makes them a better catch for any man she picks. When we ask "What do you like about yourself? What are your goals?" we'll list them out and then think to ourselves that a person who loves us would love us for those qualities. In modern "traditional" courtship, the women view themselves as pickers: They put themselves out there and then they pick out of the man they want since that man already loves them (by approaching her) so all the traits she admires he, by default, admires.
It's why dating apps have ruined women is that it provides the illusion of power. I have some old appliance parts I don't want to throw away so I list them on ebay. Millions of people are out there and there's one person who needs a door interlock switch for a washing-machine and buys it from me. I feel certain that I can sell pretty much anything I have at home given enough time.
One of the ironies of the hypergamy career woman is that she wants men who want "smart" women, but not smarter than himself because that would be Idiocracy: Men who wanted smart women would be rejected by all the smarter women and the smarter women would all die childless. They want a man who values a slightly dumber woman than himself.
And heck, if this woman has, say a bachelor's degree and she found a guy with 3 PHD's and a Nobel was interested in her, she wouldn't mind that the "intelligence gap" between them is greater than a guy with a Bachelor's degree and a checkout girl.
So when their system fails as they are literally halfway through their lives, as "smart" women they have a choice to change themselves and their expectations to succeed in the marketplace or just gripe about it. Indeed, this is the question to ask all smart, single women who indicate they want marriage or a steady boyfriend: If you're "smart", you'll figure out a way. If you can figure out how to get a PhD, you should be able to figure out how to compete with all the "dumb" women out there.
oowiw Jr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
| If you can figure out how to get a PhD, you should be able to figure out how to compete with all the "dumb" women out there.
Succinctly put!
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
Thank you. If you can handle it, I suggest you youtube: "How I hacked online dating | Amy Webb" A woman with the looks of Amy Fowler on Big Bang Theory had a list of hundreds of demands in men, including the usual ones, and decided that she would utilize her skillset to better market herself and was satisfied with the result. IMO, she deserves credit for having at least put in effort to get what she wanted rather than just sitting around acting entitled. I chuckled that comments were disabled for obvious reasons.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
They are smart enough to know how to compete with less smart women, they just don't think they need to. They know they can get a high value guy to hook up with them (because they both get what they want), they know they can get a weak low value type to be grateful for their crumbs of interest in a LTR (because its all his SMV can buy from them), they don't seem to realise that they can't easily get a high value guy to be their beta (Which is what they want for stable safe reproduction).
There are a few late converts as the wall looms but even then most of these experience deep regret for "settling" not a recipe to make a happy man.
I agree with you that they think they are the prize. They men compete for the prize and the winner takes whatever comes with the prize. He must have liked it all because he asked her out. When they are young and beautiful and its all for fun for a summer, yes they probably are the prize but for LTR the man is was and always will be the prize. The woman gets the most benefit from a LTR (hence hypergamy is a good strategy) so the man is the prize but they don't see it. They remember when pussy beggars competed for the right to spend money on them.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
My mother who came of age in the mid 1950's said "I don't think they should congratulate the woman on getting engaged but rather the man because he's the lucky one". This was a sign that women even before 2nd wave feminism were seeing themselves as entitled and that women were doing them a favor by spending his money.
Back in the mid-90's, I hooked up with 30 something manager at Denny's and about 2 weeks into our relationship said she wanted to "sacrifice her career" and be a traditional housewife and a lucky man such as me would buy her a $10,000 engagement ring (she was quite specific on that price), a big house and luxury car, and she said "I'll save you the money later". I said, er, that wasn't for me and she said "You aren't a REAL man who provides for a woman?" and I said, I suppose I'm not real then.
But in regards to your first assertion: I agree that this woman and others do not how to get the men they desire, but simply don't want to do it. Marilyn Monroe was notoriously intelligent but acted dumb to become one of the most famous movie stars of all time. They regard pleasing men as beneath them and refer to "dumb" women as "pick mes". Heck, many women I asked that if they could get the perfect man they would pay their way on a first date, they replied they'd rather die single.
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 7mo ago
The reverse-shaming that women engage in by using "pick me" applied to women that want to please a husband is absolute projection, for sure.
They want to be picked, but if another woman succeeds in being picked -- well fuck her, she's gotta be knocked down by the seething 'sisterhood' crab bucket.
I think this just accelerates the swing back to normalcy. Women hate other women, and women who get ostracized and shunned tend to go all-in and spread this kind of behavior until the hive mind has to capitulate.
My theory, anyway.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
Here's what happened with me: My aunt who lives about 2 blocks away from us, I rarely see her, disapproved of my "green card" wife but all three, repeat all of her sons, got divorced by their American wives. She's not a feminist either but a housewife from the 1950's. American friends and relatives treat my wife with a condescending attitude and it pisses my wife off which... is ok with me! The WORST thing they could do is to try to befriend her and convert her to their self-destructive man-hating ways.
So basically, "pickmes" are outcasts in modern feminine society which helps to keep them at least from getting dragged back into it.
A funny true story. My wife was working as a nanny for a Russian woman and looking after her son at the playground. I visited and chatted with an American woman friend of this Russian woman and my wife was looking after the child and she couldn't find the boy for a while. It turns out the boy had swapped hats with the other child and she temporarily "lost" him. So she looked around and found him.
The American woman snitched out on my wife.
The Russian woman got all dramatic about it and fired my wife. My Wife Was Pissed Off.
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 7mo ago
Damn, I was becoming cross-eyed by the middle of this word vomit. But I can't help but ask:
So... What will you be doing for him? What will you be adding to his life? A used up not-so-wet-anymore hole and headaches? Because that's not as appealing as you might think.
No-Stress-Cat 7mo ago
Sounds like she's got an axe to grind.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 7mo ago
She thinks that men don't recognize the sound of metal touching the bench grinder wheel.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 7mo ago
So she'd be happy with a shorter, poorer spouse with a great personality.
Q8waker 7mo ago
It reads as hard as trying to watch all episodes of Police Squad! in a row.
But police squad is actually extremely funny.
wswZtyqNGQ 7mo ago
This is too, but in a very different way.