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What can possibly have changed that I'm not getting boyfriends anymore. It feels unfair!
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polishknight

Posted 1y ago in Leftovers - Permalink - Locked - 10.6K Views



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ElliotPagesLeftTit 1y ago Stickied

The peach at the bottom of the basket. She’s reached the age where “being” isn’t enough and “doing” doesn’t occur to her.

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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago

Nice username.

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No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Username checks out.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago Stickied

Women are sex objects. Men are success objects.

What this woman doing is looking at men in her age-bracket. In her head, this works but the reality is that while they are still successful (if not moreso than they were 15 years ago while she was in her sexual prime), her value is now gone.

She erroneously thinks that her age is irrelevant so long as she is dating age-equivalent men. She is commiting the mistake that all former carousel riders make - she is failing to ask "what do the men want?"

If she stopped to ask that, after the shock wears off, she might be able to form an actionable plan to attract and keep a man. Her problem is that she has spent her entire life not needing to know or care what men thought because her existing was enough to get the attention she wanted. Now that she has to become a human doing (instead of a human being) she is lost without any clue on how to proceed.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

That's certainly part of it. It's my contention that most inspins can get married if they put in the work and "settle" for something above average, even better than what men get, but this involves a radical change to their whole worldview.

But her work is cut out for her especially in that TRP has begun to take hold and the men she desires are from a generation of men with at least 2 generations before them of harsh RP realities blasted in their faces. Even the most affluent man hears divorce horror stories. What alpha male she craves would want to bother having anything more than a situationship with her? She's still going through childhood traumas and can't provide him with children.

In the past, she enjoyed at least the illusion of a relationship as even the chads went through the motions of basic modern courtship: A few dates, sharing of intimate values, the feeling that the sex was about consummating something that could go somewhere. Chad doesn't have to bother with providing such women with these delusions anymore.

Consider: Just as "boss babe" women have been normalized, so has the Leo DiCaprios who don't apologize for their Hugh Hefner lifestyle. Leo DiCaprio can have children anytime he damn well pleases. Or not. Women don't like men living like that? They'll stop when they stop sleeping with him.

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jihocech 1y ago

In the past, older women taught the young ones, that a male needs to be something (solid job, business, trade, whatever), to be a kind person and to be better looking than a "chort". Ten he is someone worth of interest and when he is also interestred, marry him, treat him well a live as happy as possible.

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reignoferror00 1y ago

"naturally curly hair" Ah, that takes me back to that narcissistic minor character girl in Peanuts.

"just in need of some sort of ego boost" - yes, that's what every man dreams of - feeding your bottomless ego. Working on sucking a golf ball through a garden hose and maybe you'll get a little quid pro quo.

"repeatedly rejected as I am" - are you actually bucking the trend and making the first real move? ... Doubt it. I'm sure you can easily find a fling with men actually at or a bit above your true level - but those aren't men or even human are they?

Those way out of your league don't feel the need to spoon feed you bullshit anymore, they have progressed and you have regressed. You're no longer a major league regular or even a utility player filling out the roster, you're in the minors and even the days of a rare call up are gone. As time goes by you'll be sent down a couple leagues. You'll have to decide if you can put in the work and lose the attitude because you're now playing in the low minors with the other misfits and castoffs. Adjust to the realities of you being at that level now and work at playing at that level, or retiring from the game and calling it quits. No private jets and going coach doesn't mean by plane anymore, it's bus level and you're lucky to be there.

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 1y ago

I'm rational and objective enough to know I'm plenty good looking.

No you aren't. Just like what you deserve and the quality of your character, whether and how attractive you are isn't something you decide. That's for others to evaluate. You want to believe you're attractive to spare your ego. Everyone does. That's why most people subjectively rate their own attractiveness at about a 7 - high enough to be desirable but not so high as to seem conceited. That's also why Kevin Samuels explicitly barred his callers from using 7 when evaluating their own appearance.

other women my age [...] are not as repeatedly rejected as I am

The psychologist in me wants to cry selection bias - it may well be these other women to whom you're comparing yourself aren't doing any better than you are, they just put up a better facade.

The statistician in me is content to simply point to the common element.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

That's also why Kevin Samuels explicitly barred his callers from using 7 when evaluating their own appearance.

There's another reason they say 7 - it's because if they went higher, they'd be shot down immediately. They know the 8-10 category can be specifically named, because they're the most attractive people on the planet and their results show.

7 is just close enough to the middle of the pack that any decently pretty girl can get away with it because men want to fuck her and women protect the delusion of other women.

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SwarmShawarma 1y ago

SO i listened to what she is not saying: despite listing so many features, she nowhere says what her BMI is, neither that she is slim or was.

She is good looking but few sentences later 'I dont think I'm hideous looking'.

She definitely would brag about 60kg and 173cm, narrow waist, working out in gym, unless she doesn't.

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lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1y ago

I recall a Tedx talk that went viral several years ago in which the speaker was a fat chick who Would. Not. Stop. Talking. About. Her. PhD. (in some squishy subject). She did a little half twirl and pointed at herself and said, “I don’t think I’m hideous.”

Granted; she wasn’t hideous, but she certainly wasn’t attractive.. The bar for the top-tier men she wanted is a lot higher than, “not hideous.”

If I still had a mortgage, I would bet this month’s mortgage payment that this woman is nowhere near as attractive as her competitors for the men she (mistakenly) feels are on her level.

She likely believes that at 43 she is in the same league as men who are also 43, and top men, at that.

She’s not. She should be looking at decent men around 60, or lower tier men around 50. If she wants a man in his 40s she should be looking under bridges.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Women are fast to brag about the things that they think give them advantage, and even faster to downplay the ones that don't.

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

Apex males in her age bracket can afford to date women that don't require them to be a therapist/handyman to a perimenopausal crone. Are there men near her age that might put up with her baggage? Sure, but she'd have to see them as human beings much less sexual beings.

Turns out successful men have better things to do with their lives than saddle themselves with the demands of narcissist cunts.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

I'm chuckling because rarely is anyone "bullied" for being "smart". I remember even back when I grew up in a tough school, there were lots of popular kids who got top grades. I knew lots of smart kids who were bullied, including me, but that was because we were nerdy or socially ostracized for other reasons.

In any case, her bringing up high school appears to suggest that she hasn't matured much since then hence why that matters to her. These women appear to be emotionally stunted like the cast of The Facts of Life.

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GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

True.

What is happening here is that she thinks she's smart, but honestly is not. Smart kids in High School understood how to fit into the system. If you wanted popularity, clubs and whatnot were the way to go - social exposure. If you were more introverted, you just did your own thing and could identify the people who might fuck with you.

Sounds like to me she is copping to something that she isn't.

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Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjfZKs9UVvk

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

I meant to say "Different Strokes", but that'll do.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Here’s your problem: as indicated by the fact that you’re 43 and single, you’ve had no historical capacity to keep a man. Now, you’re just older and less attractive, so you’re also losing the capacity to get a man to begin with.

It’s game over, basically. Especially given what we can see of your emotional maturity (or lack thereof), which strikes me as a woman who isn’t exactly crushing it career wise, either. So good luck finding a man that dreams of spending his nights in a crappy 1 bedroom apartment that smells like cat piss.

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Everpax 1y ago

When I look around, other women my age might not be finding true love easily, but they are not as repeatedly rejected as I am

If she's doing NOTICEABLY worse than a demographic that already gets very little dating success, it's time to throw in the towel and get a few cats. Not even a 70-year old man would be interested by the sounds of it.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

She's a heightist whose hit the wall, plain and simple. I just posted something from a similar woman who says she "can't" date down, literally. She says she is simply incapable of having sex with someone whose not hot.

There out to be a flair for height queens hitting the wall because with the way demographics are going, they're going to be a flood of them.

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orbilius 1y ago

"can't" date down

Stuck on her highest setting. Many such cases.

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Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

It is better that way, even if she could "date down enough" to lock down a man on her actual level, she will just end up resenting him for not being the man she feels she deserves and ruin his life in the process.

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Justanaverageguy 1y ago

I know a woman like this! She’s got to be 36/37 by now. I know she used to be decent looking but she was a huge slut and was picky af. Only went after “tall fat men”, didn’t like guys who worked out or anything like that. It was weird. Her baby daddy she had a ons with was this type and last I saw her she still demands this type. Problem is she’s now 5’3 170 and batshit crazier now than ever. She’s on this whole “I don’t mind being alone” kick.

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No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Not like she has a choice.

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nicknack 1y ago

She’s too ugly. Can move to a country like Cameroon for better luck maybe, they want the passport and pale skin assuming she has it.

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Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1y ago

I AM TRULY DISGRUNTLED

Huh weird, I don't think you were disgruntled at the time of all those years you had your legs up in the air for Chads.

It just feels unfair and sad

Unfair and sad?

You mean unfair and sad like all of the times good men consoled you while you talked about "assholes and jerks," only for you to reject them when they tried to date you and an unhelpful consolatory "you're sweet, just be yourself" when they asked for honest feedback of what they did wrong?

Unfair and sad like how when you were younger and all the good men you had to choose from went home night after night to just their dick in theirs hands while you were getting railed with no effort?

Unfair and sad like how the few boyfriends you probably did have that treated you right just ran out of tingles steam on the tingles train and instead of "getting that spark back" decided to dump them in all likelihood? Maybe even thought you could do better?

Unfair and sad that most of the men you dated probably had to wait till their 30s to hit their stride after a lonely and sobering time as a young man seeing all these couples together while they had to wait even longer, all while you had your pick during your silver-plattered 20s?

Yeah, you're right, it's just seems so unfair and sad for you.

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GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Its men's fault that she doesn't have a time machine!

lol she probably thinks this way for everything. Good summation.

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Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 1y ago

"you're sweet, just be yourself"

That's a good idea! be myself! Up until now, I was acting as Bob the Stunt Pilot! Now I'll be genuine Bob the Convenience Store Clerk. That's a real step up...

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No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

She might have better luck by walking around with a sign around her neck that says, "Make me an offer."

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