Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
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5. Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy". (Examples, details)
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago Stickied
@seagram7 (and everyone else), please see @moorekom's announcement here which is still pinned to the top of the forum.
I'll leave this one up (at least for now) even though it doesn't fit the forum rules, even for weekend posts.
Durek_The_Bald 1y ago Stickied
From a woman's perspective, sure. But for a man, getting married isn't seen or felt as an "achievement". So no, I don't feel like I caught the last chopper out of 'nam. The alternative (being single, childless, and fucking around) seems to me an equally rewarding option. They both have their ups and downs. Thinking of marriage like "I made it" is how women think of it. It's more socially validating to them.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago
Well said.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Exactly right - you only have to see how women behave 1) when they tell their friends that they got engaged 2) on their wedding.
Their behaviour is the same as a dude that had won the Nobel Prize, invented a cure for cancer and won the lottery all on the same day. They feel like they've made it. And in some respects they have - they can finally start eating like a pig and get that bloated michelin man figure they've always dreamed off and they won't have to deal with those pesky 'final reminders' any more or even go out and work (ickky). It really is like winning the lottery. And that's not even counting the divorce settlement that's coming in 9.5 years time!
itsandrewbuck 1y ago
| do married people watch gen z dating and feel like they caught the last chopper out of Nam
I started doing OLD (online dating) when it was in its infancy. That was 30 years ago. I'm married coming up on 25 years, and yes, she found me through OLD. I can only speak for me, but American women have a very misplaced sense of their worth, and of reality in general. They're delusional. the so-called 8's online are really 3-4 in real life and frankly don't have much to offer to their aspirational guy and think just showing up will get them what they want. They've been accustomed to receiving participation trophies all their lives, and they're like a deer in the headlights when they find out that life isn't giving these out. Or that chicks with a BMI in the 40s or a massive muffin-top aren't going to be seeing record subscriptions on OnlyFans.
The pic makes sense in a different way. The successful guys these women seek are sick of American women and probably went abroad and found a woman who actually like them and are realistic in their expectations. So they'll come back to the US with a wife (hey, maybe from Nam) and the entitled American woman gets squat. Yeah, guys have choices too, suck it up.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
Haha I would say this is true for Millennials as well.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
For sure, things were already going downhill then. The “hey, get a good career path and the women will fall at your feet” idea was already dead at that point. Online dating was picking up, so now top 10% earners weren’t even good enough. Now it’s either rich or the hottest guys only. All of the women liked the same 10-20% of guys.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
its not the top 10-20% they are interested in....its the top 3-1% they want. Seriously, the pareto rule (also called the 80-20 rule) has broken down a long time ago. It may have applied back in the 90s before internet, where 80% of women were chasing 20% of guys. Nowadays that seems quaint and old fashioned.
If you use a version of the 'delusional thinking calculator' you will quickly see that the 'average' demands of the 'average' women mean that they are demanding a top 1-3% of men.
Women don't seem to be any good at maths. They don't seem to realise that exclusionary criteria has a compounding effect, which makes the pool of men that meet that 'basic needs' smaller in a 'compounding' way.
So, for example, let's say a woman wants a man 6 foot 2 or over. And wants the guy to have a six pack
If only 5% of men are over 6 foot 2 and only 5% of men have a six pack, then we are only looking at 25 men in 1000. Each additional demand has to be multiplied.
If you add in their other demands, such earning at least 2x the median income of $54k, being good looking, trendy dresser, snappy dancer, empathic, vote the right way, right star sign, tingles etc etc etc they are looking at maybe a 1 in 1000 man.
And they think that guy is a) single and b) ready to drop everything for an average girl??
It's like they're all on some sort of drug. I can perceive reality far better when I'm stoned to fuck than the average pre wall woman when she is stone cold sober.
Oddest-One-Here 2mo ago
It doesn't really matter if the sorts of men she wants is in the top 20% or 0.2%, the problem is that a vast quantity of other women also want the exact same smaller group of men which means those men live in sexual abundance as they can afford to make demands from women.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
That is the truth. One thing about women is that they don’t seem to fully understand that in a monogamous society, their opponents are other women. Ones who are single due to entitlement reasons will often blame the men for “not measuring up” to their standards. Not realizing that the men that they want exist, they’re just losing in the pursuit of them to the younger, prettier, friendlier woman.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
You could also just say that these women are losing to other women that are 'less cunty'.
Feminism is a battle to be the most cunty. What the women fail to realise is that men will always pick the least cunty woman they can find. The single older women will bitch and moan about men being 'peter pan' and 'never growing up' and only picking younger women 'because they are easier to manipulate' but whenever you hear a woman doing that, remind them that its simply a battle of the least cuntish.
Men choose the least cuntish option they can find. Simple as that.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I had to explain this to a friend using Skittles the other day.
I told her "okay, you only like white guys, which is whatever. Let's get rid of all the non red Skittles." Moved those aside.
"You want a man over 6'0, so 85% of the red Skittles left don't qualify." Moved those aside.
"He has to make more than you, and has to be in this area." (She makes about 60K) We're down to two Skittles.
She still thought "well, see! There's a man out there!" I had to explain, Barney style, that this Skittle she wants is wanted by all women, and what can she offer this Skittle to make him choose her and only her?
BLUE SCREENED.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
You know, the more I think about it, the more I realise its not the top 1-3% that women want....its the top 0.01% of men that they want.
That is the difference between living too much in the internet world vs living in the real world.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
And we have summarized while marital rates have plummeted. It’s because 5-6’s who historically would marry an average man, now see that man to be not viable. They can do bad all by themselves, don’t you know?
Einsamer 1y ago
No, it's true. Though
Is also true.
How? Well, every single concrete girl is only interested in her personal/subjective 3-1% of men. But since taste is different and different girls like different types, in the end it's still overall the top 10-20% of men (though of course the top 1% is much more attractive than the ones on the edge of the 10-20%).
Example: some 20yo girls prefer 40yo men, other 20yo girls find 40yo men disgusting.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
I think you're correct but only to a point.... the reason being is this......
Women have REMARKABLY little variation in taste. Have you ever heard of women lusting after short guys? Or guys with small dicks? Or guys that are broke? Me neither.
Men are much much more varied in their tastes. For example, a surprisingly high percentage of men like chubby girls (myself included). I esp like chubby girl with small tits that are 5"2 or shorter. Some guys love girls over 6 foot, or anorexic, long hair, short hair, blonde, brunette etc. Men like all kinds of things. Some guys like shy girls, some like noisy girls, stupid girls vs nerdy girls. I have a friend who only likes girls with spotty skin.
Women have zero imagination. They all want tall, rich, ripped guys who will treat them like the dog shit that they are.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I think the preference thing is a function of man hating. Less feminist propagandized women may actually like older men; more mature, more financially stable, can give them experiences that a young man can’t, might be ready to start a family soon, etc. man haters may see older men as pure ick, because they hate the idea of a man being the dominant personality of a relationship.
Initial-Glove Wahmyns 1y ago
Oh yeah.
She's absolutely right.
nicknack 1y ago
I dont understand what’s wrong with dating for women nowadays? Why are they complaining? They have access to more potential great husbands than ever in human history. It’s men who got the short end of the stick with todays dating market. Women in the dating pool have more bodies, are older and more liberal than ever.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Women have more options. To start. But things change as we get older.
And Gen Z women are often in a never ending cycle of chasing out of their league. Say she’s 24; the hottest guy that she could get at 18, that guy can still get an 18 year old. So she’s already onto the next tier of guys, who are also above her in value (but below the perceived value in her mind). Her dating pool is going to get progressively smaller.
And realistically, most men would settle down with a woman if she was pretty enough and nice enough. Any man who has experienced dating in the era of female choice knows that when you do find one that you like, you stick with her. Unless, of course, you really don’t want to get married, and wandering in the desert, going months on end without sex, is acceptable. It’s women and their hypergamy that is screwing everything up. 19 year old women who think that every relationship is just “learning about herself” until she is “ready”. Basically trying to find her Frankenchad after a decade of relationship failures and the corresponding trauma. Because that’s what every man wants to do: fix prior relationship traumas.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
what's wrong with dating for women these days? That's easy - too much choice. They get given far too much choice, so they end up acting like spoiled children. By the time they wise up, its too late.
Women don't seem to do well with endless choice. Back in the day, there was a very limited amount of available single men in your village / town when it came time to pick a partner. So it was fairly easy to pick. You didn't always get what you wanted, but you generally got something. Even plain looking women were able to bag a husband, settle down, have kids and home and a decent life.
That is now impossible - a woman finishes her education, moves to the city, opens up her dating app, and their are 12,873 men within 2 miles that want to smash her. If she taps her phone, it unleashes a torrent of compliments, swipes and likes. How is a woman supposed to deal with that sort of choice?
They can't. What they fail to realise is that this 'choice' is an illusion. Out of the 12,873 men that want to smash, zero of them want to marry her. They just want to smash. But she can't tell the difference. She thinks that she will have to 'kiss a few frogs' to find her prince. 10 years go by, she's now 32, and there are very few guys that want to smash. The ones that do are not the ones she wants.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
Although the dating apps unleashed an illusion onto women of unlimited choice, this trend was beginning to take hold during the early days of the internet. Now grab a brontosaurus burger and I'll tell you a story: Few women back then knew how to use the internet and few women wanted to go on internet dating out of shame. They wanted men to do a formal "ask out" and, of course, (paid) "dinner date". Even so, between the 1970's to 1990's, there was an explosion of women going from being part-time workers and mothers in their 20's to full blown career women in their 20's and taking most slots in the universities. Back in 1980 on an engineering campus, it was 3:2 male:female ratio and the women had "MRS degrees" in English lit. In 1990, AA meant that MOST of the high income slots were going to women. "Basic hypergamy" as we know it "At least as tall/income/education as me" was in effect and already straining for them.
I thought that the sexual marketplace had to crack at that point. Wouldn't a 30 something corporate nun at some point realize that she had to date down a little? Or pay her way on a date? Even back in the 90's, these women wouldn't budge. They would rather die childless and alone.
They were dragged kicking and screaming into online dating particularly since early adopters were shamed as losers by their peers but once the taboo was broken, that was that.
Oddest-One-Here 2mo ago
Their wishes will be granted.
wswZtyqNGQ 1y ago
Bullshit! Every kindergartner knows that when other kids make friends with you because you have candy that they'll stop being your friends when your candy is gone. Women only claim retardation after the wall hits and they need somewhere to lay the blame for their pending half-century of miserable loneliness. And they truly deserve every last second of that misery.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I don't think you realise that women don't believe in the wall. Explain it to any woman and she will say THAT'S SO SEXIST! AND WRONG! ALL LIES, I HEARD ABOUT THIS ONE WOMAN AND SHE FOUND THIS GREAT GUY WHEN SHE WAS IN HER 40s AND NOW GOT MARRIED AND HAS 2 KIDS, SO I HAVE PROVED THAT THE WALL DOES NOT EXIST, ITS ALL LIES, ITS JUST SEXIST CRAP, YOU WOULD SAY THAT YOU'RE A MAN.... etc, etc etc
So, no, I don't believe that women realise why and how so many of them end up alone and miserable. Ask them. None of them will deviate from this answer "Men these days are so..................." They will basically just blame men, society, the internet, culture etc, ...anything but themselves.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
If a woman fails in this dating market, she is fucking pathetic.
The western dating market is so skewed towards female advantage that all they have to do to win is:
Men, for some stupid fucked up reason, are forced to perpetually qualify themselves for even the most used up slatterns on the market.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
yup. I see very ordinary women getting married, all the time. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the MAJORITY of young women that I see getting married today are basically 5s or less. They are usually quite plain looking and maybe a bit fat. And they often get married to similar kind of guys, very plain looking, no great shakes. And they go on to form households together, and have kids and full family life. Good for them.
My theory? Its the 'hot chicks' that are having the most difficulty understanding where they are and what is going on. If you're a 7 or higher woman today, and you access to the internet, you are basically going to go insane with entitlement. It will seem as thought there are millions of chads that want you, and the problem becomes how choose. Which is why they only want princes.
The plain looking 4s who are a bit chubby have a much more realistic view of the world - they never go handed everything on a plate.
nicknack 1y ago
There is basically no valid excuse for a women to fail in dating the US. Fat, tatted up stinky skank with 4 kids having trouble? Well every single one of those things is her fault, and she’ll still find someone stable if she wasn’t chasing Tyrone, Chad or Julio.
I understand women in eastern countries having trouble, though. In my case, Eastern Europe, most girls are actually clean and thin, so they have to go above and beyond the competition to get a man, and there’s also very few men who earn good wages AND look good.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
There is literally no bottom for women.
The pig woman experiment proved that.
nicknack 1y ago
Thanks for putting my onto this experiment, and it’s not surprising whatsoever. Matter of fact I’m surprised the dudes weren’t even higher value. Just shows more so why a woman should have absolutely zero reason to complain.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
20% of men compete for 80% of women and the bottom 80% of men compete for the bottom 20% of women. Hence why you see hilarious lack of giving a crap from the top men (like I saw a video of a dude basically laughing because he smashed 6 other women in the last month while his girlfriend sobbed, and told her that she should be happy that he’s honest and gets tested…I give it around 0% that she left him), while the rest of men exist in a quiet desperation. The women at their level would rather be in an endless situationship rotation with Chad and Tyrone, so they have slim pickings.
nicknack 1y ago
Why do you think women created the term situationship? I never heard a dude use it naturally. For us it’s just “a chick im smashing but I don’t see it going anywhere”. Situationship is a term they use to feel like there’s something there, the OG term is a being in his harem, or being a slut.
Oddest-One-Here 2mo ago
As far as I have figured out, a situationship is any 'relationship' where there is no mutual declaration that they are a couple be it boyfriend/girlfriend, fiancé/fiancée or husband/wife.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yeah, situationship is the modern “it’s complicated” from Facebook in the mid-00’s. A way for a woman to fess up that she’s letting some guy who is hotter than her have his way with her body while leaving the idea that they might have something more together.
It’s not really complicated. He’s smashing. If he wanted you to be his girlfriend, he’d have asked months ago. Just like women have date zone and friend zone, men have date zone and smash zone. You don’t leave the smash zone.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Thats so well written and also quite funny. You're quite right about the etymology of 'situationship' as a concept ('its complicated' being a forerunner). And you're also quite perceptive in how you explain why women call it a 'situationship' / complicated. They just can't see the truth (that the dude is only interested in smashing) because they don't want to see the truth. (delusion is the main issue with modern women).
I always chuckle inside when I see a woman being interviewed and the interviewer asks 'Are you single / in a relationship?' and the woman sort of grimaces and looks away and says ....'Sort of, its, well its kinda complicated, yeah, well, I'm seeing a guy right now..... '
And all the men watching know whats going on. Some guy is smashing her or the reg. But he's also smashing a few other girls on his roster, on the reg. So.... the real answer would be .... 'No - I am not in a relationship. I meet up with a guy everynow and then, he buys me food and wine and in exchange I let him have sex with me. So I am basically a part time prostitute, but not a very good one, because the value exchange is not that good. The meal and drinks probably cost about $90, so my share would be $45, so it's not really a very high price to get for my body. I guess you could say that I am a cheap, part time prostitute, but no, in answer to your question, I am not in a relationship'
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
As much as marriage gets roasted (and justifiably so), unless you’re a committed bachelor (whether you can get sex regularly or if you’re in monk mode), it’s a whole lot better than trying to “find someone” on the dating market.
It’s a whole new level of misery to be in the presence of some obese (unbeknownst to you, since her pictures were 5+ years old), burned out, miserable, post-wall woman that still has the audacity to negatively judge a mid 30’s man with a house, a car, and a lucrative career path.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
agreed. Being married has its challenges. But I often think to myself, I would just hate to have to go on dates and listen to the absolute nonsense coming out of single womens mouths. My wife has a few single friends, who are now in their early 40s, and she can see that without a male guardian / companion, the stuff that is coming out of their mouths is just nonsense. It's almost like women need a man in their lives to keep them sane.
We have a slang word we use (me and wife) for single women after the wall - we call them 'lost property'. They just seem to wander around fucking things up totally and continuously. For me, the worst thing about being single would be having to deal with the insanity of 'lost property'. In the UK, we'd say 'its not worth the candle'. I think in the USA you would say 'the juice isn't worth the squeeze'.
NotaBene Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Not just a man, but a male authority figure to keep them in line. This was common knowledge throughout most of history, and it was for the benefit of women themselves.
"I am most anxious to enlist everyone who can speak or write to join in checking this mad, wicked folly of ‘Women’s Rights’, with all its attendant horrors, on which her poor feeble sex is bent, forgetting every sense of womanly feelings and propriety. Feminists ought to get a good whipping. Were woman to ‘unsex’ themselves by claiming equality with men, they would become the most hateful, heathen and disgusting of beings, and would surely perish without male protection." -Queen Victoria
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yup, basically. You’ll see women get a little desperate around the age of 30, when it occurs to them that finding a husband isn’t as easy as finding a guy that’ll bang them in his buddy’s dorm room when they were 20. But they haven’t gone insane yet, since there’s still plenty of unmarried friends. Never mind that many of the unmarried friends are already functionally married and are just dragging their feet on making it official, they still feel like a guy will come to them eventually. And there’s still men on the dating apps, IG, etc, that are interested in being a father that will take them seriously. Never mind that they will take a woman in her mid 20’s far more seriously if the opportunity arises, it’s still positive attention.
After 40, women really are coming to the realization that it’s over. No man who wants kids is seriously hitting them up, except for the down bad guys who are willing to try with literally anybody that hasn’t hit menopause yet. They’ve hit the wall in earnest; late 30’s is around the age where women really smash into it hard, it seems. So they no longer have that arrogance that comes with the feeling that they are uniquely beautiful and able to manipulate their environment as a result. When before, they could open a dating app account on Saturday at 11 am and have a date planned for the same day at 8 pm, now the only dates that they can get are with men old enough to be their father, or men that they wouldn’t have given the time of day to in their past. And they’re mad, wondering where it all went wrong. Especially if they also make a good salary, because they feel like a winner compared to the women that “somehow” are able to find a husband.
I kind of see it as stages of grief. 30-34 is the denial stage, where there’s enough stimuli for them to deny that there’s a serious problem brewing in finding a long term companion. Then comes the anger stage, where they start lashing out at men and society for their predicament. Then comes the bargaining stage, which likely coincides with the epiphany phase, where women start to regret their past behavior. Once it really hits home that they’re screwed at 40, in comes the depression stage. Depressed people often feel lost, which would align with those women. But on the plus side, eventually they’ll accept their circumstances; old maids tend to be less happy than married women, but they at least normalize a little once they find some other purpose. Whether it’s nieces and nephews, philanthropy, or lots and lots of cats.
wswZtyqNGQ 1y ago
Fantastic theory!
NotaBene Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Very accurate theory, the "depressed" stage is why most single, middle aged women are on drugs (prescribed or not).
I was talking to a wife I know recently who told me about her sister, she's middle aged and single. I said "let me guess, she likes cats and wine". The look on her face was priceless. For a minute she actually thought I was prophetic. She was like "HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT?" Heh.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yup. My mom’s aunt was a spinster her whole life. Great lady, but a lot of her life revolved around treating her nieces and nephews like kids (especially my mom), so I was like a stand in grandkid. I’d imagine that there was a stage of sadness when she realized that she’d never marry and have a family of her own. Her relationship with my mom and eventually me was part of the acceptance
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
short answer - yes. Honestly, I think the millennials and gen z are the lost generations. They seem retarded. They don't read books. Their idols are literaly retarded, like Kanye West and Kim K. Some of them are retarded, as in they have learning difficulties AND have mental disorders. And that's their high society.
The hot mess that is their online dating is the least of their problems. They don't seem to understand simple concepts like moral hazard or unintended consequences. They appear to lack any kind of critical reasoning. They don't seem at all interested in politics, and as a result, do not understand what is happening to the economy.
Pic889 1y ago
Millennial here, and another major thing I have noticed about my generation and Gen Z is an infatuation with that specific subculture of left-wing politics where the government supposedly gives you free stuff, enough to fund your entire lifestyle, failing to realise that if everyone queued in front of the "free stuf" queue, nobody would do any of the work necessary for society to function. And that if the government ever tries to tax the rich punitively to fund such programs, then all the rich people would fly to Luxembourg and Monte Carlo along with their property (France tried to tax the rich punitively and they failed because of that very reason).
I am genuinely worried about what kind of governments will be elected in the future.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
'...in the future'??? The issue is right now! We've got governments all over the world doing the most retarded things you could possibly imagine. Just two for starters -
bailing out banks that fail due to malignant stupidity. A bail out is basically a cash reward for failure. And is funded through tax. Tax must be levied on productive industry - that tax has the same effect as a penalty. So.... we have ended up with a regimen that has rewards for failure and penalties for success. Please do not be surprised when / if nature takes its course.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
A judge in France even bitch slapped Hollande about it, declared his tax rates a “human rights violation”. Basically taxing people just because they make a lot of money is not valid.
But yes, it’s amazing how many of us don’t understand anything. Like I was shown a yahoo! Finance article about how Florida has more jobs than NY for the first time. In the end, they threw in a few caveats about a move to FL, and one of them was the “nasty conservative politics”. Failing to understand that it’s what made people move there; they want lower taxes and crackdowns on crime and ease of starting a business and the peace of mind in knowing that your 9 year old isn’t learning about the female penis today in school.
Oddest-One-Here 1y ago
It is good that they mention about that “nasty conservative politics”, cos it will attract conservative voters as well as deter leftists from moving there and increasing the risk of turning the state from red to blue.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yup. Let those who vote to make their states an overpriced dumpster fire of political correctness wallow in their own misery and leave Florida alone.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 1y ago
If only.
It may take longer to arrive but Californication is coming for FL just as it's done for AZ, UT and TX.
All three are still largely conservative but anyone paying attention can see the inexorable shift to blue in full effect.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Oh they’re interested in politics. They’re waiting on government, Inc to fix all of their issues.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
When I say that they're not interested in politics, I meant that they are not interested in politics in the old fashioned sense of the word, which would be the really important issues of government that will end up shaping the economy (and hence society) in the coming decades. Questions such as labour market participate, labour rates, interest rates, inflation, subsidies, free market vs protectionism, the moral hazard feature of bailouts, the risk of state funded investment crowding out private funding, infrastructure investment rates, innovation rates, tax policy, income distribution, etc etc etc. These are the political issues that shape our future. I really don't mind what end of the spectrum you're on - be it 'left' or 'right' , Keynesian or Austrian school. It's just essential that we make mindful decisions, and that requires debate.
"Politics" to the gen z / millennials is 100% about what we old people would call 'identity politics', which ends up being shrieking about things like gender, race, trans rights, the road to net neutral carbon etc etc. In truth, these social justice warriors that dye their hair blue and don't shave their legs 'as a statement' are not in the least bit interested in the plight of poor or disadvantaged groups. It's all virtue signalling for selfish ego.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
That is true. They think that fighting climate change means electric cars and paper straws and other minor inconveniences. Reality? It’s a bunch of kids from third world nations seeing their food supply crater. But hey, those are just the poors and they only matter when they’re useful to a cause, amirite?
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
You're correct. They are only interested in what I call 'grand standing'. This means token gestures to show the outside world what team you are on. Electric cars are a great example. They don't actually have a net effect of reducing carbon emissions, because they run on power that is generated by burning coal, oil and gas. The net effect is the same (or worse) than a moderate sized petrol powered car. But, they don't give a shit about that. They just want the 'self branding' effect of an EV for virtue signaling purposes.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
And at 37 soon, I’m going to be cursed in my 50’s (when I really start having money to burn) driving those glorified remote control cars. Thanks zoomers. Why would I want a gas powered corvette when I can have a hideous electric SUV bastardization of it?
DextroShade 1y ago
Yes, watching the ridiculously stupid hoes on Fresh and Fit has made me grateful for who I married. Still, what's really scary is that women don't want to "settle" for a blue collar guy, but these guys built and maintain the amenities of modern civilization like electricity, plumbing, HVAC, internet, etc. If these guys are going to be disqualified by women based on their careers then guys will stop going into these fields and civilization will collapse. All the fucking retards saying "Enjoy the decline!" don't seem to get that losing their power and water isn't going to be enjoyable. Kevin Samuels understood this, most of the other manosphere influences do not.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yeah, but Kevin wasn’t a black pilled nihilist LARPing as a red pilled realist. He actually wasn’t cheerleading the collapse of society. The guys you mention think that it’s either the only way to course correct, or they just don’t care and hate western society
nicknack 1y ago
They will just import more men to do those jobs just like they’ve been doing. In California it’s already all Latinos doing every blue collar job. They don’t get ass but they have some wife named Maria who is pregnant decade round so they make do.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago
Smart women do!
Blue collar, union skilled tradesman here. Married 17 years (though I was in the Army when we got married).
DextroShade 1y ago
Thank you for your service, now it looks like we are both on that last chopper! But when you retire it will be hard to replace you and society will suffer for it. Most of these young women on F&F can't even name three countries yet they all feel entitled to 666 men, even the uggos and baby mommas.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
And all they offer is twerk, eat hot chip, charge they phone, and lie.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago
Sometimes. Seeing the shitshows here at WAATGM as well as reading other men's stories helps me realize that my wife isn't so bad.
However, frequently it's more like I watch young men going their own way and wish I had this much info when I was their age. Like maybe I'm one of the last marks to fall for a scam before the scam is exposed.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
My wife can be majorly annoying but like you said, she's not as bad as the dating landscape hell that the average man faces today. Quite simply, few men would date these women for "fun". I'm reminded of when I was in a segment of my career bouncing from contractor job to job every 2 years. I'd have to go on about 2 dozen interviews with absolute jerks over the course of 5 months to get hired for a job that was "meh". Then, they'd have financial issues or just being jerks and lay me off. I'd go on unemployment for a few months and repeat the cycle over and over again. I did an estimate that I probably lived off of unemployment for about 3 years total out of my life. I made the best of it where I didn't let it get to me and I surfed and engaged in self-improvement but I realized that this lifestyle probably drained someone after a while.
As awful as that is... I'm glad I didn't 'settle" myself for an openly selfish woman like I saw others did and get divorce raped. As awful as the rejection carousel was for me during that dating era, I see what these guys went through in their divorces. One of them saw his daughter used as a hostage and now his girl at 25 is an obese, blue hair, SJW who looks 40 years old. I showed her picture to a Chinese woman friend of mine and she said "She looks 40 years old but I don't see wrinkles so maybe 30?"
So yeah, marriage to a decent woman, despite the risks, is a good deal for some and we don't hear about it because those women are off the market and good for them. High school reunions are great for putting this into perspective as you see the various people you had an opinion of at the time and how they turned out.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Nah, I feel like "One night in Bangkok". Sorry, not sorry.
NotaBene Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Even back in the romanticized decades (like the 1950s) there was always hypergamy and bad marriages and cheating. Other empires have fallen, other men throughout history have been enslaved and ensared through bad legislation and brute force and women. You could say things are "objectively worse" now but I'm not so sure.
There are still good marriages out there, a man's home can still be his castle, and husbands are still sometimes respected. I know several of these, not just "making it by" marriages but good ones, among the younger guys I know - so I know it's still possible. What I do not necessarily think is that the number of them is decreasing. I think truly good marriages have always been rare.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
The difference now is very few people get married anymore because "don't need no man". Hence the analogy of the last chopper out of Vietnam. What makes it funny is this is by women's own choice.