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Forums.Red / WhereAreAllTheGoodMen / Friendzone Fiona

Her eggs are reaching their expiration date, there were some 250 potential cocks to fertilize this hen in the past 3 years - but she's still picky because she sees herself as the prize!
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Loneliness-inc

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chunky 2y ago

In the ideal world, she would have asked her father if could marry, at about the age of 17, then he would have networked to find suitable, healthy men, with good career prospects, from good families, and allowed her to interact with them, in a controlled environment (not on dates). In a year or two, she'd pick one, marry, make some kids, support him while he developed in his career, and only after the kids were grown would she maybe go and get her degree in underwater basket weaving appreciation and maybe even get a job by opening a flower shop or some shit. She'd age gracefully, full of respect from her family and community.

But we live in this world, and "dating" (what men used to do with prostitutes) is now the norm. Women prioritize education, usually useless, and jobs over family. And they don't like the outcome of the world they created. Men warned them, but they weren't interested, and this is what we get.

I honestly met up with a woman that told me without irony, she wanted a "hybrid" relationship. She gets to be modern, but I get to be traditional and provide for her. I literally laughed in her face. I explained to her that that sure sounded like a bad deal to me. And told her she could call me, once she figured out what she could offer that would make it worth my while.

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reignoferror00 2y ago

"hybrid" relationship. Sorry, life is not a buffet. You can't just pick and choose everything you want and don't want in a mate and have it served up for you. It's a menu, with no substitutions, with the selection going down over time and the better more popular choices permanently sold out if you wait too long - with your ability to pay for things decreasing at the same time.

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Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago

In a year or two, she'd pick one,

No my dear. That's not how it works.

In the patriarchal system that you describe - where she goes from the authority and responsibility of her father, to the authority and responsibility of her husband - it would never take that long and she wouldn't be the one choosing. (Maybe she'd have some imput so she's on board, but she would not be making the majority of the choice).

she wanted a "hybrid" relationship. She gets to be modern, but I get to be traditional and provide for her.

Lol

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reignoferror00 2y ago

What a meandering steam of unconsciousness that was. Is English her first language?

Can't remember the exact quote (or where it is from) right now but it goes something like this "If you leave out the parts of the story that make you look bad, you just come out looking like a moron instead". She could start with her age and be a lot more specific with what she has actually specifically done dating-wise and on actual dates. Met guys you "clicked with" but no chemistry??? What kind of bullshit do you exactly mean here? Let's throw in some buzzwords like "emotionally unavailable" a few times while we're at it.

In any case she sounds like a bit of a basket case and in no way would be ready to have a kid with a partner, much less without. Sounds like she has problems just taking care of herself, and is letting "baby rabies" take over whatever she uses for a mind. "open minded" in this sense I suspect: "If you keep your mind sufficiently open, people will throw a lot of rubbish into it" - William A. Orton

If people come to her looking for advice they must be in a really deplorable state along with having very poor character judgement.

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punkedcm 2y ago

Usually ‘didn’t feel chemistry’ means the dude was not a bad boy and didn’t act like an ape during the date, which meant no tingles. Doesn’t matter if he is a good person, a successful person, a kind person, a well mannered gentleman.. they don’t matter. All that matters is she didn’t get any tingles

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LolTroll11 2y ago

I met guys I did click with, but no chemistry

¯\(ツ)/¯

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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 2y ago

She started this serious search at 32 (given the 3 years of searching she mentioned). Many of the men she would really want are either off the market entirely or are looking for younger options. That leaves her quite limited in the type of man that she is aiming for. Even with the high number of men she has been able to meet (anything other than a top percentage man cannot get 50 women interested in him enough to meet him in 3 years quite as easily), she does not like the result, given her 3 to 50 ratio of satisfaction.

On the topic of this ratio, it shows that she really does not understand that her expectations are not aligned with reality. Granted, this is true for many women. This is yet another example of a woman aiming too high with her requirements. Those 50 men? They were the ones she selected. Many other men did not even make the cut for her to want to meet. So that ratio is actually worse than the 3 to 50. A 35 year old woman that wants to have a child is already racing against the clock to even accomplish that. So for her to still be this picky shows that she is far more likely to be taking the single mom route (a very bad choice). And with the ratio of men she is choosing, I do not give her the benefit of the doubt that she is not being too picky in all the wrong areas.

If I am to infer this post correctly, that 3 year period where she was "focused on dating" was preceded by over a decade of not doing so. What was she doing with that time in her 20s? We can all make our guesses, but the important thing is that her 20s were spent NOT being as focused as she is now. Had she focused this hard in her early 20s, she would not be contemplating raising a child alone, but rather having a husband and children of her own. But now, she serves as another example of a woman who squandered the best time she had to get what she is now seeking far too late.

As a married man who always had marriage as a goal, I can say that other men who are also marriage minded are not fond of the idea of women waiting until they are in their 30s to start getting serious and thinking that those same men near her age will want to wait for her to seek men like them who were ready a decade ago to be serious. Granted, less men are serious about the idea of marriage in general, but those who are can still be found and would have no problem dating and marrying a woman their own age when they are in their 20s. It is much harder to "grow old together" when you are not even together when you are truly young.

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Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 2y ago

Just as there are minimum ages for drinking and driving, is anyone else starting to think there really ought to be a maximum age for courtship? Like, if you're still not married after getting hundreds of free dinners shoveled at you, you're probably just in it for the free dinners.

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oddbelt987 2y ago

I can't imagine having 200 first dates, and less than 2% could be considered marriage material.

I've had literally a 10th that number of first dates and managed to get married and have kids (and I have pretty high standards).

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orbilius 2y ago

It becomes a little bit easier to understand if you imagine three things that happen with women, also happened to you:

(1) you got interest/attention from very attractive women

(2) the "turnaround time" (that is, the time it takes you to realize you're not going to get what you want from. her) was very long - perhaps years.

(3) your value decreases as you age (bonus: society tells you this isn't true)

Point (1) is pretty hard for us to imagine, but I'm sure you've had the occasional interaction with a really attractive woman, and you can remember how that felt - makes you feel like you're on top of the world, right?

Well, now consider (2) - the turnaround time for you as a man is a week, maybe two weeks. If you're not getting what you want (sex) within that time, you realize that you've fucked up and can move on to another woman. And hopefully you've learned something from the experience.

By contrast, a woman can be with a man for a long time and not realize she's getting played. They often continue to date while in this situation. So for example, I would bet money the woman in the OP was sexually active the whole time she was "nexting" those 200 guys. She had her FWB and even though she claimed to be dating, she was really hung up on that guy.

(1) and (2) combine to create alpha widows. Women get attention from top-tier men and they really think that's the type of guy they'll marry. It takes then years to break things off - years they spend pretending to date other guys - and they never really learn anything.

Point (3) is self explanatory. She's not aware that her value is declining and she keeps reaching for the same quality of man she fucked in her 20s. Meanwhile, the clock is ticking the quality of man willing to marry her is also declining.

It's kind of a tragedy when you think about it.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

I was taking this woman to pound town the other week, and as we're laying in bed she says "only 18% of my first dates lead to a second date"

It took every ounce of restraint that I had to not say "so you have a 82% failure rate? The problem is you."

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reignoferror00 2y ago

With a number so odd and specific as 18%, I'd be wondering what crazy high number of "dates" has she gone on. The second, less important, thing I be wondering is why would she be tracking something like that to that much of a degree. Lastly, if she's at least average looking and not a starfish in bed, isn't super picky, and doesn't come off as crazy I'm sure ... nah, what I am thinking I'm sure she fails miserably at least one or most accounts.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

Oh she's absolutely afraid of commitment. She even said "if a man is too interested in me, I run away"

I'm thinking "damn, that's a red pill fucking admission" but it just gives me license to treat her like a cumdumpster and removes her ability to complain when she gets dicknotized.

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Chad_Bodmor 2y ago

Turkey baster is looking more and more sexy to her as the baby rabies set in and she is unwilling to "settle".

The funny thing is of course once she is pregnant with some randos baby batter she will have a second epiphany about how hard this is going to be alone, either shortly before or right after she has the kid. Then suddenly anyone willing to be a dad will be "good enough".

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mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

I disagree. Daddy government will step in. She will not be working the OT needed to make up the income difference. She said she never put the effort into a career. Men will pay for her lifestyle.

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DextroShade 2y ago

IVF/fertility treatments should be illegal for unmarried women.

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago

At the very least it should be subject to stricter standards than what are used for adoption.

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lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 2y ago

She's clearly trying to punch above her weight class. She's been in one-on-one contact with 200 men, and she's met 50 of them in person just in the last three years. I don't see her age anywhere, but I assume she's in the Epiphany Phase, which means that she's been doing this for a decade.

That's a lot of guys... and as far as she's concerned they all had deal-breakers. At the time I met my wife I had dated a bit over a dozen women, and I probably could have made it work with three or four of them. This woman has been presented with hundreds of options. We know with whom the problem lies.

She also claims to be an "open minded" woman living among conservatives. That arrogance isn't helping. Conservatives aren't close-minded, and being a smug liberal isn't going to make them think she's intelligent or virtuous... it's going to make them peg her as just another naive doofus who is so "open minded" that her brains fell out... and sanctimonious virtue signalers are exhausting to be around.

The other thing that jumped out at me is her desire to have a traditional relationship without any of the traditional responsibilities that women have in those relationships. The guy gets all the burdens that her great-grandfathers bore with none of the authority they had, while she gets all the protection and provision her great-grandmothers had, but without any of the duties.

Get a dog, lady.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

If a woman fails in this dating market, she is a failure, period.

The western dating market gives women absurd advantages just for showing up to the game - they don't even have to compete! It's literally:

  1. Be a woman
  2. Go out your house

Literally everywhere else in the world, women understand that men worth marrying are rare and they act accordingly. Only in clown world do men compete for the crumbs of pussy that these dumpster water slatterns offer up.

Whenever you hear a woman bitch about being unmarried, what she's really doing is broadcasting how unfit she is for the category of men she wants. I have zero fucking sympathy for any woman who is single and unhappy because she was handed the Powerball mega millions jackpot at birth by being born a woman in the west at literally the best time in human history to be a woman. They exist at the nexus of the perfect time and perfect place and they still manage to fuck it up.

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mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

I have saved your words of wisdom.

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Einsamer 2y ago

When I read this I feel It's time to make conciously getting/raising kids alone a crime...

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

I don't see a problem with it, I just have a problem with the lack of accountability towards single moms.

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MelkorHimself Mod 2y ago

I don't see a problem with it, I just have a problem with the lack of accountability towards single moms.

It puts children at every statistical disadvantage one can think of. Academic performance, college prospects, job prospects, income, alcoholism, drug use, felony behavior, mental health disorders. It's also not a coincidence that things start to go visibly wrong when these children reach puberty. Kids' brains literally tune out their mothers' voices.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/04/teenager-brain-mother-voice.html#:~:text=Around%20age%2013%2C%20kids'%20brains%20no%20longer%20find%20their%20moms,School%20of%20Medicine%20has%20found.

We all know teenagers lash out because they haven't learned to regulate their emotions yet, and that is why they need a masculine presence in the household to be a disciplinarian. Children raised by single moms don't have that. What further corroborates this is that crime rates show no discernible trend with respect to single fatherhood.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

teenagers lash out because they haven't learned to regulate their emotions yet, and that is why they need a masculine presence in the household to be a disciplinarian

I actually want to tack on to this.

Toxic masculinity is real... And it's caused by men who were never taught emotional control as boys and young men. What do all these "toxic males" have in common? An inability to regulate their emotions in regards to women.

And where do men learn this skill? They can't learn it from women because women do not have the skill to teach them. They have to learn it from grown men. If you look at every one of these men with emotional control problems, you'll find that the common thread is a lack of masculine presence in their lives.

Toxic masculinity isn't caused by excessive masculinity, but a lack of it.

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

And the problem is still a lack of accountability on the women. Maybe if the women do time for their children's crimes...

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Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago

I don't see a problem with it,

You don't see a problem with single mommas leeching of the welfare teats and raising the next generation of criminals and societal failures?

Or have you simply not thought this through?

I just have a problem with the lack of accountability towards single moms.

How can they have any accountability, when the state mandates their bailouts?

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

It's a chicken or egg problem. Do we have a problem with single moms or do we have a problem with financial incentives for single motherhood?

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nicknack 2y ago

Throughout human history men would leave their seed in women and keep it moving, leaving the village to raise the kid. I think we’d still keep doing that if the consequence of child support wasn’t a thing.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

Men would try, as that's our optimal strategy for reproduction.

The resistance came from the community and family because they would have to bear the burden. Now that we've removed that, it's AF/BB all day.

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Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 2y ago

I met guys that I did click with but no chemistry

No wonder you're 35 and single. At least those guys are going to be spared.

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AurelianWay Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

All that fucking rigmarole just to get the crux of what she is actually wants: To be a single mother.

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 2y ago

Not quite. What she wants is children, both because of biological drives and because having kids is a status symbol for women. She'd have preferred to get married and start a family with her fantasy man but, as he's exactly that, she's "had to" settle for contemplating bringing an innocent child into an exceptionally subpar circumstance purely for her own selfish gratification.

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Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago

All that fucking rigmarole just to get the crux of what she is actually wants:

Getting to the point is literally a tool of the muh soggy knees stick patriarchy!!!

Just look at your dick, you dick. It's a pointing device!

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

My dick is the Lazer. The pointer is me.

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Jules 2y ago

It is interesting to see the comments in the original post. A few years back, it would be all "just wait kween, you will find him and get your life that you totally deserve" whereas now, the picture is distinctly different. There are a lot of "oh my gawd, I can sooo relate to that" comments as well as the occasional insight on why dating is so screwed up. Social media and OLD get mentioned as the culprits.

One comment in particular, I would like to show to you gentlemen (and occasional lurking wahmyn):

I feel like everyone was telling us this while we were in college and early 20s, "oh you're so young you have time, you'll find someone don't stress about it focus on other things." And then I didn't prioritise it in my 20s and look where that got me... people are just lying to us.

Still not quite there yet, though - there is still a disconnect between women's choices (ride the CC and/or focus on career in their 20ies, then try to bail out at 30+) and the resulting consequences, but the foundation is laid. Now if these women were to start acting on that realization that creeps in to more and more of them, and don't repeat the same "lies" they were told to their younger sisters, mayybe we can still save this western civilization. But yeah I know, now I am the one believing in fairy tales

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago

Yeah it would be nice for them to finally realize that while they can screw around in their early life and do anything other than prioritize a committed relationship, they run the risk of the men that they could have married having adapted to life without them and no longer wanting them after all that time has passed.

Not counting on it though. Denial is a hell of a drug.

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GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

This makes me understand patriarchal structures so much - the father chooses the bride's mate, and its done.

This is just a moth fluttering around the bell jar until it croaks.

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Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago

This makes me understand patriarchal structures so much - the father chooses the bride's mate, and its done.

Exactly!

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

Duh! Call the professor and add value to his life. He has no time because he doesn't have a housewife. She could save him 2hrs a day by doing all the housework. Have a hot meal ready when he comes home, a hot meal for breakfast, and a nice healthy lunch packed. He'd be like "Shit, I'm keeping this one".

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago

She's too busy deluding herself into thinking that she can lock down a trust fund Chad while not being a trust fund Stacy.

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chunky 2y ago

Nah, the professor was playing her. He has access to dozens of fresh co-eds, every year. She's just too dumb to figure that one out.

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oddbelt987 2y ago

But... that would mean putting a man's needs above her own! That's... oppression. That's... PATRIARCHY!!!11

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

Never do anything for the express pleasure of a man... fish/bicycle. You go gurlz!

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No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

Unfortunately for her, the type of man she wants isn't looking for a "partner". Enjoy your cats and boxed wine you fucking feminazi.

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 2y ago

I spoke to 200 guys on the phone and met about 50 in the last three years.

Historically, even the most beautiful and privileged women had, at best, a few dozen men from whom to choose a husband. Most of them did so successfully.

This bitch claiming she couldn't find a single good, available man out of literally hundreds of options is all you need to know about why she's single.

Recently I met guys I did click with but no chemistry

What the fuck does this even mean?

Three times I met guys [who] were a match[;] two of them turned out to not like me back the same way and [were] emotionally unavailable for a good two sided relationship. One guy adored me but was focusing on career[,] being both a professor and a startup founder[,] and [he] had no time [for dating me].

She's shooting above her league and making up excuses for why Chad doesn't want to settle down with her when he has free and easy access to all her younger sisters. Standard issue hamstering.

I can't deny I feel a certain amount of frustration being in a dating pool where one half feels pressure because of their biology and the other half has time to either figure their issues out or focus on work.

Sucks when the script is flipped and you're suddenly getting the short end of the biological stick, don't it?

Welcome to the first decade-plus of virtually every man's adult life.

Plus the city is quite conservative and I am more open minded, but still conservative in my relationship outlook.

Modern woman seeks traditional* relationship. News at 11.

*Except for all the obviously unnecessary parts that actually require her to serve and support her husband, particularly at her own expense.

What are you considering when making the choice of whether and when to have a kid alone?

Selfishness.

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ZZoMBiE13 2y ago

"Recently I met guys I did click with but no chemistry

What the fuck does this even mean?"

That means she was DTF, but he was smart enough to dodge that bullet like Neo in The Matrix.

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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago

No. It means no tingles.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago

Exactly. She met 200 guys and got 50 dates. It's like someone who goes to a store with 200 loafs of bread, 50 she can afford, and goes home with any bread and starves to death. This is all on her. She has high demands and the "have children alone" last-ditch plan means she never put in a serious effort even emotionally.

This begs the observation that she always had a plan B,C and D to not "commit" to a relationship even as she expected the top men to do so. She puts in NOTHING while wanting EVERYTHING from men.

I dated women such as this 30 years ago and it seemed as if they already were asexual and didn't want men in their lives aside from the resources they can extract from men.

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Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago

Being insufferable and having baby rabies is the best way to repel any suitable partner. If she had truly focused on a matrimonial relationship instead of 'relationships' then she would have been married at least twice by now. Instead, I would wager her relationship focus was pure tingles.

Any child she would bear and raise by herself is going to be severely damaged.

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Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago

If she had truly focused on a matrimonial relationship instead of 'relationships' then she would have been married at least twice by now.

Had she done that, she would have been married once.

For life!

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  • Feminism has succeeded

  • Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore

  • Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?

  • "I’m 43 and Alone – Can I Find a Good Man?"

  • To The Guy I Left In The Friend Zone For Too Long

  • To The Man Who Will Love Me Next

  • The Truth Behind the Increasing Social and Economic Disparity of Modern Society and Why Good Men Are The First To Leave

  • The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market

  • Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel

  • The Life Story of Carol

  • Memes

  • Complete list of resources here.

Link Flair:

  • The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"

  • Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.

  • Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.

  • Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

  • Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.

  • Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.

  • New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.

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