Dropping ultimatums is not how to deal with men.

For my fellow men in here, take note: a woman's ultimatum is her holding your relationship hostage for solely her benefit. If it were something that you could benefit from, she would reason with you instead of resorting to the nuclear option.

If a woman presents you with an ultimatum, no matter who she is or how long she's been with you, it's fucking over. She has demonstrated that she is willing to burn all of this shit to the ground to get what she wants.

Under no circumstances do you ever give in to one - she will then use it every time she wants something from you because she knows that you'll bend at the thought of losing the relationship. You might keep the relationship, but you'll have lost her respect.

What you should do is, without emotion, simply say "okay, I understand" and leave the room. You don't even have to do anything dramatic - just go back to whatever you were doing as if she didn't say anything that bothered you. Her hamster will go into hyperdrive - she will know that you acknowledged the ultimatum, but your behavior didn't change into her desired outcome. Now she's thinking "did I fuck this up? Is he going to leave? He's not saying anything!"

I, personally, recommend cold quitting her the moment she leaves your presence and finding a new partner at this point because if she thought an ultimatum was acceptable, she doesn't respect you as a man because she thinks she can browbeat you into making a decision that is detrimental to you.

Great find, @Arcturus.

My favorite:

scar that each small sacrifice would make on my heart from living in a house I knew was worth more to him than I was. [emphasis added]

Bitch, you just showed him by your leaving and told the entire world via your screed that you cared more about gaining the title of "wife" (and the ability to leave and take some of his shit) than you cared about being with him.

He offered to continue as things were, with the only change being living together. No getting the state involved. If you loved him (side note - women are incapable of loving men in the way we want and expect), you'd have done that.

You wanted your golden parachute.

I'm coming back to this article AGAIN (because its so fucking good).

Let's for a moment just think about Jim. We can put together a pretty good picture of him. He must have been about the same ago or slightly older than her (38) so I'm going to guess that he was about 40. She says he was 'ruggedly handsome'. And they met on OLD.

Right. So a guy that is ruggedly handsome, 40, single, has a jeep and house, a good set of friends, outdoor interest, is not autistic, has good family relations, is not a drunk or drug addict and a job. She didn't say that he was short, so lets assume he is above average height. (because for an entitlement princess like her, any man below 6 foot is 'short'. So this guy could be killing it in the singles market. That's if he was NOT rich.

And pay close attention to how it panned out - he kept the fact that he was rich quite secret from her. Did not reveal that he had several houses. Did not reveal that his family had several houses, that his parents travelled by private jet. She says he wore flannel, drove a jeep and had a modest lifestyle, with mismatched kitchen ware. That's very interesting. That tells me a story.

Because in my experience people with several houses want to tell you about their houses within seconds of meeting you.

I'm going to guess that Jim has tried plenty of women before, and has run into gold diggers before. A ruggedly good looking man of 40 (who is rich) ....all you need to do is buy a Porsche / Lambo and he could be smashing a different 22 year old every weekend. Would require zero skill. She didn't mention any ex wife. So lets assume he was never married. A good looking man like that who gets to 40 without ever having been married has most likely been trying the free samples for quite a while. He's probably got a very high body count, and got tired of it.

He probably then tried women in their 30s. And found them unbearable (for reasons that we don't need to elaborate on). Not only were they unbearable, but they were gold diggers.

What makes me think that? Because he went to elaborate lengths to hide his wealth. Why? I'm guessing because he has decided that he wants to settle down with a woman about his own age that is NOT a gold digger. Fair enough. I can understand his logic.

So he found this woman on OLD that was 38 - decided to give her a chance. But he was only able to hide his wealth for so long. As soon as it came time to meet family, it leaked out. And then she revealed her true colours.

I feel sorry for Jim. He put a lot of effort into this woman. He gave her a chance, he did all the right things, and he found out the hard way that AWALT.

This is probably the best example I've ever seen in these forums of how modern women think and behave. Back in the day, her concern about leaving her life behind and moving far away with a man would be justified and marriage would be the obvious solution. She would have been supported by her father until a man came to marry her and take over the responsibility and authority for her. Well, those days are gone. It is what it is. She can take care of herself and hold herself accountable, she has all the authority.

Funny that. He wanted to stay together, just without getting married, after discovering that the marriage contact would still give her the right to fleece him despite a prenup. She, on the other hand, wanted nothing more to do with him without that contract.

Yet, somehow in her solipsistic mind, he's the one who "valued the house more than her".

Fucking broken women, man. She should go back to The Elephant Graveyard of Ovaries (also known as New York).

I keep coming back to this story, its gold.

Here's a quick simple question: if she had been going out with him for a while, then discovered that he was broke (like, net negative worth, bad dedts etc) does anyone believe that she would have jumped up and demanded that he marry her?

It's a rhetorical question. Nobody thinks that would happen. Has never happened in the history of the world, and this world has seen some crazy events. So this woman is able to convince herself that the reason she suddenly jumped up and demanded that he marry her was, get this, so that she wouldn't loose her independence.

Yep. The delusion part of women is the most depressing / interesting part, and the it would seem, the hardest to fix.

This woman will go to her grave not understanding anything about herself.

Jim is based, most guys (including me) would have had such a bad case of one-itis they never would have considered a prenup or talking to a lawyer.

For all we know, this was Jim’s shit test to make sure she was in it for him and him alone. And she failed miserably.

Because, you see, that marriage that would’ve happened, that would show HE was committed to YOU, miss. But not the other way around. You were free to screw him over because you lost the happies one day.

But hey, enjoy your tiny apartment and future cat collection. I’m sure it’ll keep you warm at night.

Title of her article should be;

Went out with a guy, found out he was rich, demanded half of his wealth, he didn't agree, now i have nothing.

The really weird thing is that women will read this article and say "men are heartless" and men will read this and realise that women are gold diggers .

Men and women are so far apart....so little understanding of each other.

The last sentence was industrial weapons grade copium. She fucking blew it.

Kudos to Jim's lawyer for ripping the blindfold off. Sounds like Jim is off to his best life!

Jim is a wise man.

I'm sure Jim got some money from his parents, but his lifestyle is reminiscent of the millionaires you'd find in "The Millionaire Next Door". That book should be a mandatory read for all women, because it's very eye opening in terms of what millionaires actually look like. Most millionaires blend in, and you'd never know they were wealthy. They live in modest homes, drive modest (often used) cars, wear normal clothes, and they don't make a lot of frivolous, expensive purchases. Simply put, they appear almost indistinguishable from average men. That right there is why modern women are shooting themselves in the foot when they automatically blow off guys who look average. 15% of adult males in the US are millionaires. Now, 2/3 of them are over the age of 60, so we'll say that millionaire men of "dating age" are 5% of the adult male population. So ladies, that means for every 20 "average" guys you see, one of them is statistically a millionaire. You've probably come across a good number of them at a Starbucks of craft brewery, but once again they didn't stand out from the crowd. However, I guarantee they were observing you and making note of your behavior. They wrote you off before you even had a chance to speak with them, and you're none the wiser. You're too busy ignoring all the guys who look average.

If this isn't a red pill, I don't know what is.

Three years ago, I divorced an absolute wretch of a woman who cheated on me for years (unbeknownst to me) while using my financial resources to enjoy a good life and my genetic resources to create a child.

I was extremely fortunate (unlike most men) to have escaped this experience with minimal damage to my net worth, true 50/50 custody of my child, and retained ownership of my dog.

After a couple years of the dating apps, I found a girl about 10 years younger than me that seemed worthy of a longer term commitment. It has gone relatively well. I have told her that I will not marry her, but that I would consider having a child and co-habitating one day.

She accepts this, but I know that given her choice, she would want the ring and marriage. It's difficult for her as she sees all of her young friends get married. I have stayed steadfast, and will not deviate from my position. I made the marriage mistake once and will not make it again.

We will see how it works out. If she ultimately leaves one day, I'll be disappointed in the short term, but I will move on.

If divorced women had to provide head and prostitution to the men they divorce the way that he was "accustomed to during marriage" in exchange for the "lifestyle she had during marriage" women would demand the laws get change real fast

“By the way,” he said, “I met with my lawyer to discuss the prenup.” He averted his eyes from mine. “You know, even if you sign one, you’d still get a lot of money if we ever divorce. Apparently there are laws that entitle you to continue life in a way you’ve grown accustomed to.”

I have been preaching this when I was on reeedit! and everywhere else. Prenups are NOT the holy grail they are made out to be. I was at a cocktail party a while back and met and spoke with a divorce lawyer. I asked her about prenups and she started laughing and said they were a joke. The wife is still going to get a settlement, a prenup is you negotiating now instead of later what she is going to get. Plus she said a prenup cant violate laws on the books, like child support. Child support is a law and a prenup cant supersede that. She also said proudly, that a good lawyer can get a prenup overturned in court. There are so many loopholes and instances where a good lawyer can argue that the wife felt pressured and coerced into singing it---like he said there will be no wedding if you dont sign. Lastly, most of us are wage slaves, what assets can we really protect?

What is even more telling is this is the society women created and the quote above is the results of what they reaped. They made marriage too much of a risk for men.

Jim dodged a bullet. Once his lawyer dropped the reality bomb on him, he wised up real quick. I don't say this often, but good lawyer.

"Jim" is a smart man, and he would have settling for her used-up ass. He will likely move on to younger, hotter, tighter pussy and she will move on to cats, wine, and dying alone. "Jim" is an example for men of what to be and she is an example for women of what not to be.