Not because I’m not successful.
I was red pilled without knowing it as I grew up like a king. Then in college, my friend circle was “elite.” I thought all men had it like that from my limited mindset and didn’t really know rejection or fear when it comes to girls.
After I graduated, I kinda had to find my own way. I’m very independent so didn’t lean on friends or family. It took me a while. I saw how dire things are when you don’t have an elite family or social circle backing you. I saw how judgmental and mean women can be.
Fast forward, I put on muscle and redid my style. What you all call “look max.” Always had a pretty-ish face. Now, my status mattered less and in fact I was fucking on girls the same caliber or even better than in college.
Then I hit a high a status job. Now I’m the hottest I can possibly be in terms of SMV. I don’t like mentioning my job and family but tbh every time I do, I have girls chasing. Some girls are still trying after I gave them absolutely no indicators a year on. This shit is kinda pathetic.
I’m not in the celebrity or business mogul tier but I have enough perspective to understand the game.
But the more I think about it, there is no “finding your equal.” Even Drake just wrote a song: “I need someone to get money with, not take it from me.” I’m simply not genuinely into all these hoes. I might turn on the charm and get a one night stand here and there but I feel zero motivation to entertain anyone beneath my caliber.
TRP is right (minus some of the conservative politics baked in) on human dynamics. Power and status runs everything. But it also means that everyone is trying to choose up, especially girls, and “love” is dying. The reality is that assortative mating is the only viable, sensible mating arrangement. The rest is just transaction: looks for sex, body for sex, money for sex. Y’all say beta bux but you guys discount how many rich guys are alpha. And for guys like that, how do you ever truly find love?
It doesn’t really bother me because I have many interests. I’d be the “sigma” according to your ideology. But sometimes I can’t help but feel this is fucking the very fabric of society up: what happens when most men can’t date their equals?
And if we keep practicing TRP, we are furthering the decline aren’t we? Isn’t it better for men to just purely focus on dating their equals and fuck this other shit with having a million side pieces intent on ruining their lives and appetite for love? At least that’s where I am right now.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
OK I'll take a stab at this. You're probably hitting your 30s, college is done, got your money on point, and hit your fitness goals. You want to work on your legacy(kids, family, estate, etc). You look around and see no suitable women to be mothers/wives... and you're right! It's not you, it's them.
At this point your equal is a mature woman who wants to be a wife and mother with YOU. Newsflash! Western women don't want that. I'd suggest you move on to greener pastures. Get your passport and go where people treat you best. I did it 18 years ago and never looked back. Been happy as a pig in shit ever since.
unknown39 1y ago
Yeah, I feel like with western woman I’m her plate, tbh. They think they can pussy power their way through fucking whoever they want and then getting a good, understanding guy who loves them for who they are: i.e tell them they were manipulated by these bad guys and he’s here to love and comfort them.
But their “dual mating strategy” is very short sighted because it’s just creating an epidemic of forever unmarried or unhappily married women who cheat. That too much casual sex fucks up the brain, especially in women, is a fact of biology not just a TRP claim. If it gave me an empty feeling after a while, I can only imagine the extent of mental decay sluttery can cause to a girl. These girls are broken that’s why pimping works well on them.
It is what it is. I had a glimmer of hope that I’d find a woman to build with but western girls only come to that understanding at 30 if at all. By that age, they aren’t attractive to me.
I still get attention from girls 20-23 at age 30 so I can reasonably fuck (not date because I know better) girls that are 25-27 till 35-40.
I’m just going to keep fucking around as time allows because looking for a wife or even a girlfriend feels like a fools errand. You really have to rationalize a lot of bullshit to accept a modern city woman’s past and fucked up mindsets.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
Yes, and woman ARE that short sighted. Or wilfully deluded by "you can have it all girl, fuck Chad now, some guy will marry you later because you are AWESUM".
unknown39 1y ago
Yeah, and that’s a shame. I hate to say but the more I reflect on my experiences, most women simply don’t know what’s good for them. The men and women who gas them up do them a big disservice.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
Yes, but men suffer from this bullshit more than women ever will.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Lots of us in our 40s and 50s are fucking 20yr olds. We don't age like women. You won't even start to get gray hair until you're 45 and your testosterone will be barely dented if you take care of yourself. I can throw on a suit and groom my beard and kill the ladies if I want. It's older man game and relies on command presence and amused mastery. What I'm saying is your SMV will keep going up and up. Brad Pitt is 59 and fucking a supermodel 20-something.
What you really ought to worry about is what it's like to wake up at 3AM with a baby when you're 50. I'm 48 and still raising an 8yr old. I'll be 58 when he's an adult. You really need to get those kiddos started sooner rather than later or else get punished by ageing.
unknown39 1y ago
Sure, but that shit ain’t love is it? I’m not worried about sex. I’m concerned about a legacy with kids. And I want them soon (in next 5 years.)
Imagine me as a 50 year old sleeping with a 25 year old. I wanted to find one or two really good ones and build with them through my 20s and 30s but instead I went down a spiral of fucking and more fucking with a semblance of friendship thrown on top of it. I have like 2 girls I truly cherish from the 100 or so I fucked over 11 years.
That’s the reality of modern dating. And I’m starting to realize the full extent of the fuckery.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Same here. Right now you can go to the Philippines and get a ready made wife/mother. The median age is 25 there. It will take you approximately 10sec to find a decent woman.
Mature men and women understand that love isn't some fairy tale romance. You might not even love your spouse until several years into a marriage. You just have to find a woman who wants to be a wife and mother and then make it happen. Just find a chick you don't mind putting your dick into regularly. She doesn't even have to be hot, white, blonde, blue eyed, etc.
Stop wasting time on hoes and get with a housewife. They are homely and boring. They're the chicks at the factory/bank/food stall/etc. They don't go to bars or red light districts. They dress modestly. Probably invisible to you most of the time.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
are you sure you want to keep 'fucking around'? I don't think its going to get easier to find a quality mate. Staying too long in the 'fooling around' stage is harmful for men and women. It makes you cynical.
Maybe (can't speak for you) your time would be better spent focusing on yourself, your goals, and trying to spend more time where quality women are. Chasing women that you have no intention of marrying is probably taking too much of your mental resources. It also runs the big risk that you will catch the feels for a woman that is actually a slut.
unknown39 1y ago
These are good points. I did catch the feels for a few sluts and that shit stung lol
I guess the counter-question, is there any other viable option but to keep fucking around? Girls of caliber and sense are exceedingly rare. It might not happen despite me doing everything right. Maybe I’m just cynical.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
Elevate yourself brother. The trouble with fucking sluts is that you need to spend too much time in the gutter looking for them. If you lay down with the dogs, you get fleas.
Elevate yourself into higher quality circles. There are no sluts there, no easy lays, but you'll find quality there.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Agreed. Sow your wild oats while your SMV is peaking and then take the pick of the litter. Obviously he's picking from the wrong litter.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
yep. he even seems to contradict himself - says he wants to keep fucking around, but already says the good ones are gone.
unknown39 1y ago
My preference is to settle down and find someone to build with.
But it truly feels like a wild goose chase sometimes and then I fuck around to fulfill my needs because the other option is being celibate. I’m but a man.
The caliber of girls I date / fuck aren’t the ones I’d ever marry. It just doesn’t feel right. And if men across the board (including high status men) are feeling this, then it must be a larger problem of women pricing themselves too high relative to their value.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
I hear you bro. But can't you see, your own actions are causing your woes? You like to spend time 'fucking around to fulfill your needs' but this means the only women you meet are trash.
The solution is stop spending time chasing sluts and do something more worthwhile with your time. I love fucking sluts just as much as the next man. But its like eating doughnuts. Fun in the moment, but not a great long term plan.
You really are the product of the people you surround yourself with. If you are in bars / clubs in your free time.... I don't need to finish the sentence.
unknown39 1y ago
Man, I hate how right you are lol
All of my “pickups” have strictly been clubs, house parties, Instagram and dating apps. Every situation had alcohol and other drugs involved. I’m chasing the candy then wondering I have a toothache. I’ve never dated a girl above 24. I’m 29 now. Im talking to a “bad bitch” off tinder right now who’s only 21. I should know how that movie ends.
Part of the cognitive dissonance is I need a mental and sexual reset. I’m used to highly sexual vibes and power imbalances of course that only works for a particular goal: easy sex.
I applied it to the one girl from my age / my school who was likely the most compatible and she was over my shit after a year. She quite literally told me I loved whores at our last dinner and implied I’m immature. I didn’t get anywhere with her.
I also think you’re right about that I can and will find my equal but not in the places I frequent and not with my current mindset / attitude. Classy women will be turned off by it I’m sure which compounds my woes.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
Well its great to see you're open to new modes of thinking. (btw, this reminds me of why I like convos on this forum, men that can discuss something back and forth, see other views, make adjustments....its the opposite of reddit). You say it yourself (very eloquently - I'm chasing the candy and wondering why I have toothache.).
Perhaps a reset is required. Sounds like you've chased and smashed a whole load of sluts. Maybe its time to get off the vagina carousel. We've all seen people that stay on too long.
Life is full of ironies. One of them is that when you stop chasing women and focus on your goals, focus on becoming a man of quality and sophistication, then women come to you naturally. Just focus on elevating yourself into what you might call 'high society'. Which is NOT just 'money'. People that can't or wont learn the difference will never know a life other than trash.
Why not make a start by listing out what you think is trash and what is not trash and then realigning your behaviour accordingly. Here's my list:
This is trash: Lambos (and fancy cars in general), designer clothes, yachts, night clubs, fancy bars, Ibiza, tattoos, wearing any sports clothing when not doing sports, steroids, teeth whitening, fake boobs, beauty treatments, fake tan, fake eyelashes, social media usage, being overweight, any clothing with visible branding (like Gucci, LV, Prada), public drunkenness, any illicit drug usage at all, eating junk food, watching TV series (honestly, all tv is trash), excess mobile phone usage, texting or using your phone at the table / while other people are talking to you, smoking, any and all hip hop or rap music or basically any pop music these days, swearing, going on holidays to places like Disney or any resort anywhere, pick up trucks, any modifications to cars, buying new furniture, eating at the sofa looking at tv, loud music, knowing about celebrity culture,
This is class: education, museums, literature and reading, art, country houses and estates, clothing made entirely with natural fibres like wool and cotton, tennis, having a decent library, manners, knowing foreign languages, holidays in Italy / Spain / Greece / Europe, sail boats, having antiques in your house, eating at a dining table, opera, classical music, knowing the classics, having a piano in your house, having books in your house,
The list is endless.
The thing is 'doing becomes being'. What you are doing on a day to day basis will end up being what you become. You are what you do. Chasing sluts in the gutter, you'll eventually morph into a gutter rat yourself. spend 5 years doing classy things, and you'll end up being classy. You're a product of your environment.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Yeah I mean I can understand. Women are sending mixed signals these days. The overall realization that guys need to make is that they are fishing in a pond full of turds. Go to a different pond.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
This is an interesting post. I read all the comments. You are correct to question the RP philosophy - I find myself questioning it all the time. For example, the central contradiction is this: learn game, learn how to smash chicks, then complain that all women are sluts and don't get married. This doesn't make sense at all.
Also, the obsession with lifting and personal SMV is a bit beta in my mind, because its all about getting in the female frame. Lift if you want to, but getting obsessed about it, or taking steroids, that's real beta in my view (a guy taking steroids to me is no better than a woman getting beauty treatments).
I think what you are experiencing is the 'emptiness' of life. You are able to game and smash, so you take advantage of whats on offer. You run through 50 chicks, and you start to wonder ....is this it? Is there anything else to life? It feels like ground hog day. The chicks even start to feel the same. I can't remember the names of the chicks I've been with. Sometimes I would have a disassortative feeling while I was having sex with some girl that I had really only just met. I'd ask myself "Am I really here? Am I really doing this? Is that me that is inside this woman?"
I would feel the urge to see myself from outside, to be someone else looking at the two of us having sex, and then be able to say, ah yes, that is indeed him.
It's a strange feeling. Pumping and dumping gets really old really quickly, for men at least. I think hoes love it and will carry on being sluts until the market place rejects them. But guys are simply more romantic. They want love, and want to fall in love and have something that is more than just point scoring on the singles market.
You can find your equal - but you wont find her in a bar / club. There are plenty of high value women, smart , intelligent women, even educated women. I live in the UK and there are plenty of high quality women in the big cities. Generally, you wont' find them in bars. You wont find them on any of the apps either. You find them in what you might call 'high society'. You are the company you keep.
I was looking at a picture that someone had posted on this forum a day or so ago, and it was Jeff bezos on a yacht with this wife and her ex. And the whole point of the post was that JB was some kind of cuck, because his ex's wife was there. But I had a different reaction - to me, it reminded me that yachts are actually quite trashy. Yachts, lambos, helicopters, private places ...all of those sorts of things are trashy and tacky. When I say you will find quality women in high society, i do not mean hanging out in a yacht party. That is where you meet trashy gold diggers.
The world has become much much trashier. The oscars are trashy. The Met gala is tacky. Monaco is tacky AND trashy. This is not high society, this is vulgarity. Nothing good will you find in these places. It's just trailer trash with lots of money.
if you're looking for better quality women, ask yourself, where do you spend your time?
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
What is high society exactly? Do you walk in these circles and meet these high quality women, or is it speculation?
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
I mean educated women from good homes. The older I get, and the more of life that I see, the more I realise that its hard to escape the home environment that you came from. The women that I have met that have been quality, have all been from what you would call 'good homes' - two parent families that are stable, educated and usually professionals (lawyers, doctors etc). The truth is that its very rare to meet a woman of value that has come out of broken home.
Do I walk in these circles? Yes I do. I come from a 'good home'. I went to private school and one the best universities in the country and have two degrees. I live in an area which is one of the richest in the country. Most of my neighbours are multi millionaires. But its not the money that makes this high society. One of our neighbours has a Lambo and we all look down on him. He is never invited to garden parties or drinks because he is uneducated, uncouth, uncivilised and trashy. People from the ghetto will never understand that having money does not buy you access to high society. It's not a question of money, its a question of class, taste, refinement and education.
In my line of work, everyone I meet is highly educated and successful. This is where you will find classy women. Women that just don't go to clubs and bars. You're much more likely to meet a woman of class and sophistication in book shop than a nightclub. Or a tennis club.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
I've met very few women that I'd even think of as dateable, never mind actually good. The best two I've dated: one was from a fairly good home, one was from a fairly bad one. Not terrible, but fairly bad.
Gotcha. Not sure I'd equate "had two good parents" with high society though.
The issue for me is this: my line of work has highly educated and successful men and almost no women, and certainly none that I could date (I'm not going to fuck colleagues).
Fair.
unknown39 1y ago
Bezos boggles me. Dude worked his ass off to find a regular thot who is now making him do stupid, tacky shit. She may not get money out of it but she’s sure as hell secured semi celeb status.
And I agree with you on tacky places with low value women. It’s confusing for guys because they see a pretty babe and think that’s a high value woman. But most attractive, fashionable girls are dumb af and they’re the ones that get run through the most because they are in their ego. It’s easy to play someone in their ego. Women with truly high self-esteem are hard to manipulate but they’re almost as hard to find now as a truly top 5% man. Kim Trashian is the role model now for average girls but they don’t realize beyond the fame and likes, Kim’s been ran through by the whole music industry. Kanye was an idiot for cuffing her and when he realized it, he left her in the dust. Now she’s 40 and looking at a depressed, lonely future while Kanye is still smashing girls in their 20’s.
My philosophy now is have fun with these materialistic, average women (looks don’t really make her special.) Pump and dump. Never waste time or energy on her—let it fall on your lap.
And then for wife—look at women with PhDs or similar higher education from esteemed institutions. Try to find women that are successful in difficult, high-status fields because they likely don’t have the time for thot behavior. Girls in arts, fashion and media are a big no, no. They are celebrity obsessed and broken.
Girls in STEM and high business are good. But they are so fucking rare and usually cuffed early.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
your strategy does not sound like a good one, if you will permit me the impertinence. You say that you want to have fun chasing easy women, and then later on, focus on women with a "Phd from esteemed institutions". Two questions;
If you know what you want (a quality woman), then why are going to spend your time chasing sluts, and then later focus on what you want? It will not get easier to find a quality woman. You admit as much yourself, when you say they are "usually cuffed early".
One of the most interesting things I read recently was from an 'inspin' who had gained some clarity about how she had ended up alone. She said "I failed to realise that doctors tend to marry doctors. They don't marry check out clerks". That tells the story. She had been 'sleeping up' all through her 20s. She thought that she might be able to 'marry up'...but men don't do that. They marry across. On average, people marry other people of similar social rank an education. I'm not saying that lawyers only marry other lawyers (many of them do) but they likely marry other architects and dentists. Those bankers that go ahead and marry models, well, it never seems to work out for them.
So why would this future woman of quality, with her PhD from 'an esteemed university' want to marry you? Why are you delaying the search for a woman of quality?
unknown39 1y ago
While I don’t have a PhD myself, I grew up very cultured and come from a good family. My inner circle full of people who are the top 5 universities in the world, successful businessman, politicians and such.
My own education is elite too. I went to a very selective school and while I was a party boy who kinda fucked it and had to severely course correct, my academic and career performance outside of that phase is stellar. And when I speak with highly intelligent and accomplished women, the conversation just flows. I have a wide range of interests and intelligent women like that. I guess PhD is a bit of arbitrary criteria: intellect is not as simple as a degree or a job—those are must haves but then you also have to be a curious soul.
My problem is that the pretty young ones are rarely smart, mature or cultured. You’ll occasionally find a smart woman in that age range but she’ll want to “explore herself.” Girls don’t wanna locked down at that age.
And culture ain’t helping but actively delaying LTRs and IMO killing them slowly. 50% of women between 25-44 will be single by 2030 according to Morgan Stanley. Is that on men? I don’t think so.
I want a “an equal” but I don’t want her at 27. It’s just a fact women are the most attractive 21-25 and to be frank, most girls I know admit they peaked in that age range.
It’s just hard and I’m feeling damn near impossible to find a girls that’s: a) not old as fuck and has some of her best years to give, b) smart, ambitious and wont make my kids dummies, and c) sensible and not drinking the modern woman koolaid that’s destroying civil society.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
remind me - how old are you?
Lionsmane8 1y ago
Flash news:
Women are inferior to men.
You'll never find a woman that is "in your league".
You'll never find a "partner".
A woman is the bitch version of a man (with an attached womb). She's a subordinate or a junior associate at best.
You can't "fix her" and you can't save her. You can only enjoy her for what she's worth.
The ideal is to find a good looking obedient virgin and make her your housemaid and sex slave. And eventually the mother of your children.
Women are pets, don't expect house cats to argue philosophy and rock Vivaldi on the violin.
Lower your expectations, otherwise you are set up for a life of perpetual disapointment and misanthropy.
unknown39 1y ago
You’re right but we disagree on root causes. I don’t think all women are inferior to all men. They just for superior men. They might even go for equal men but that’s after they have taken like 100 dicks, found zero commitment and got humbled.
And from experience, my equal is probably somewhere trying to lock down that investment banker, celebrity or what have you and she’s going to eat shit because that’s what is happening 99% of the time. The 1000 cock stare that TRP talks about: that’s the face of a deep existential realization that she done fucked up.
I had a girl like that who thought she was above me until she turned 27 and got desperate. We’re perfect match on paper but I can’t see this girl in the face without knowing she consciously tried to find better men through her youth, and only wants me after she ate shit and realized that’s not her level. She never thought I was beta. She called me a fuckboy—but she always through some famous guy was going to cuff her.
Lionsmane8 1y ago
Women are inferior to men.
The men who realize it act like it and women react to it.
Leagues are for women.
It's about desire and tingles.
You still think within the parameters of polite society.
Women were evolved for the savannah, and they are worth at most 2 coconuts and maybe a kitkat thrown in as a gesture of goodwill.
Unplug already.
unknown39 1y ago
Dude, if leagues don’t exist why do you talk about SMV?
“Game” is identifying your own value and finding a woman within that range. Otherwise you’re a fool. Of course, you should build your own value but self-awareness is the most common trait among socially effective people.
unknown39 1y ago
When I got laid the most, the formula was simple: find girls 1-2 points below you. I didn’t know the word SMV but understood this basic principle intuitive ly. If you treat Beyoncé like a Becky, it will backfire.
Lionsmane8 1y ago
You talk of raw SMV.
Game is broad.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
No man finds true love because women do not truly love.
The decline has already happened. We are just refusing to be victims of it.
This is impossible because women "fuck up", ie only fuck and date their superiors.
unknown39 1y ago
Women do love. Just from below, which pisses me off. I can’t “love back” from that position.
You may be right about the decline. The cat can’t be put back in the bag. Only women as a whole can stop their condition but I doubt that will happen. Some of my late 20’s girl friends who had 7-8 year long hoe phases are really struggling to find a boyfriend or husband they respect. It never occurs to them that maybe their standards are too high—but they all love to talk shit about men being assholes. They are also on to TRP and think it’s the cause of their misery. Ironically, I heard the term alpha most from women I know.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
Women do not love their partners. It is not in their nature.
Most of TRP would not exist if women loved as we would have them love.
The closest women get to love and loyalty is "sticking with their best option", which isn't love by any standard.
Bozza 1y ago
The world operates on incentives. Every individual acts according to their own incentives.
Once you understand that and come to terms with it, you will understand that you cannot save the world.
unknown39 1y ago
I understand that part. Incentives dictate outcomes.
What I wonder sometimes is that if we as men can stop the decline. I wasn’t thinking about this when I was young but I’m almost 30 now and would love a wife. But I don’t want a hoe or former hoe. I know better. I also don’t want some dumb girl from Eastern Europe or some shit.
I feel like “plating” girls keeps them hopeful that’s their league and eventually they will lock a man at that level. It furthers the collective delusion. If you just fuck once and ghost, that would be better because they would get the message. If all men did that, women would be knocked down a few rungs.
Or even better, men go celibate and give nothing to these hoes. They think they can fuck themselves into a relationship or fuck around with one guy and then get love from another but if men just said no, we would stop the decline and power would shift to not just alpha males but all men.
Lionsmane8 1y ago
Decline is unavoidable.
Nothing lasts forever. Let cycles play out, death leads to rebirth.
Don't try to save the world, you're just a passing cloud.
nicknack 1y ago
I’ve lost all interest in dating in the USA. The general quality is unacceptable. It’s like being a car guy in Cuba, where your only options are Frankensteined junk from the 50s. Even if your life passion is cars you’ll get burned out being interested in cars there.
I spend half my time in Eastern Europe and date women there. Thin, quiet, and submissive women are the supermajority. You can throw a stone out of your window and it’ll hit a quality girl and bounce off her to hit an even better one.
In the Us, I just take girls out to drinks and smash them a few times before replacing. They actually let you smash without any commitment in the Us. So why not take that deal?
unknown39 1y ago
Agreed and you don’t even have to go all the way to Eastern Europe to notice the difference. I leave NYC and the bitches are less broken because they haven’t been ran through by every playboy under the sun.
Also, coming from a non-Western culture, our older women have a sense about them. They literally tell girls to get married before 25 and they always seek a compatible man so there’s not a huge imbalance of power. NYC women and US women really drank the koolaid and ruined their youth. They failed to cash out. That’s why they are so depressed in their 30’s onwards. Some are still on hedonism train as their sexual rebirth like they didn’t have enough already. The culture is just there to make them feel less stupid because the honest truth is they got played hard.
I suppose it’s a terrible time to find a wife but a great one to score pussy. Sometimes, I question if that’s even worth my time because a wife builds with you. Pussy just distracts you from your mission.
But because my SMV is to the point girls will give me clear IOI’s, why not enjoy the decline if you have time? I literally haven’t gone past 3 dates with any girl in 5 years now—and 99% of them fucked on the first date. They all think I’m in their league but how could that be true? There are hundreds of these hoes and they all interchangeable.
nicknack 1y ago
I see we both think the same way.
I’ve actually been considering moving work location to NYC (my position is currently based between Seattle and the Bay Area). As I spend so much time in Europe NYC would make it easier to go back and forth. So where would you say is better stateside than NY? I’m not really interested in an American wife, as I’ve seen the results.
unknown39 1y ago
NYC has best job market, networking (with other successful guys) and I believe it just overtook Bay Area in terms of VC investing too.
But women are mid here (most are career-focused, high on feminism, and not as pretty as LA or Miami girls.) There are some models and dimes but that average NYC girl is 7/10, works in corporate, and has a friend circle full of girls night out hoes that collect guys like cards. NYC girls live life like an episode of Sex in the City. They are bossy and bitchy.
For girls, I prefer Miami on east coast. Girls are prettier there and they get really curious about NYC guys. Many of them want to get out of Miami. I’ve always smashed the prettiest girls of anywhere in America in Miami.
nicknack 1y ago
I would base myself in Miami in a heartbeat if I could but my industry (tech) there is absymal and my employer won’t let me be based there. I work remote but am required to visit customers time to time (hence why I am in America for any period of time at all). We don’t have major customers in Miami. Mostly just the West coast and Northeast.
I need to eventually get my own business going so I can live full time abroad, but as of now the money here is pretty good.
Thanks for the info on NYC. Average being a 7 seems pretty good. In the Bay Area the average is a 3 at best, but Seattle is a bit better, lot of tall fair skinned white girls, maybe a 7 average as well, but it’s just too far away from Europe for me.
The hottest girls I’ve smashed are girls on vacation in Greece islands. I spend every summer in the islands and you can smash a new 8 every 3 days if you’re attractive and fun.
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unknown39 1y ago
I’m not doubting it—I’m wondering if as men we can come together to ratify this messed up situation.
I’d rather go read a book or take my family on a vacation than find pleasure in fucking on another man’s woman. I’ve had girls with boyfriends sleep with me and overtly flirt in front of their man, but it didn’t make me feel “alpha.” It made me feel disgusted.
One man’s whore is truly another man’s housewife and I think that’s a shame.
I had some “perfect plates” who literally said they looked up to me. But I don’t want that dynamic—I want someone to look eye to eye with but that is next to impossible in current society because girls literally spend their best years choosing up like TRP says (and most often fail.)
coolsocks00 1 1y ago
Post just makes me think you have a skewed view of TRP
unknown39 1y ago
@coolsocks00
If TRP means: lift, spin plates, build a big but fake friend circle, and make money, then that’s kind of vulgar and empty.
If it means: ponder reality, come to terms with deep human truths and find your own path (which may actually be doing things that aren’t “alpha” at all), then I’m for it. That’s what philosophers and polymaths have been doing since the dawn of time.
Lionsmane8 1y ago
TRP is about understanding the nature of inter-gender dynamics. Protecting yourself, maximizong your life and dating from a position of power.
You're looking too much into the externalities.
coolsocks00 1 1y ago
What you parenthesised displays one such misconception. There's a lot of focus in TRP space on how to embody the alpha mindset. Because the vast majority of men are raised as blue pilled betas. But in reality, optimally, you shouldnt worry about these terms at all. They're like parts on your training wheels, just like most of Game.
These are just some of tools you can use in order to live life as you see fit. Key word: you. Whether you choose to simply enjoy your time during the cultural decline or actively attempt to create meaningful change, it's all up to you.
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unknown39 1y ago
@JCantell
That’s a truth that I’m still internalizing and part of me wants to fight it / change the order of the world.
My natural impulse is to want for my brother what I have, think there is a permanence to friendships and love but it’s just not how the world works.
It sucks to see your own best friends change when circumstances change. I don’t want my friends who didn’t make it / become their own man treat me like some “big man” when we were just homies a decade ago but I’m realizing it’s more condescending to have a false idealism of us as equals.
And with women, it it what it is. My only concern is being shamed by society if I don’t find a partner long-term but it’s more detrimental to have one that doesn’t make me happy / fucks up my dreams.
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unknown39 1y ago
I’ve already come to terms with reality through reflecting on experience—I’m questioning the path to take from here.
I think sometimes the older school guys just telling you to “man up” don’t really get the modern state of affairs. Technology really put all the bad shit on steroids.
It was hard to find a good girl—now it’s impossible.
And my experiences are living proof. I have girls approach me at cafes, give clear indicators, girls approach at clubs and flirt overtly, IG full of thots, and thousands of dating app matches. I thought at some point you could “our alpha” the system but I’m realizing there’s no endgame when the cultural currents are working against you.
At 30 now, I feel like “enjoying the decline” is also getting old. I have better things to do than get easy pussy. Part of me wants that wife that’s really an equal but all I get is girls trying to choose up and find a man who’s everything they are not. It is what is.
I have to believe this wasn’t always the case looking back at history. Ours is a particularly shallow society and young girls tend to be very gullible. But sad truth is they are only beautiful for the years they are gullible.
Lionsmane8 1y ago
It's always been like that.
The only difference is that now masks are off.
You should feel grateful.
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unknown39 1y ago
That can’t be true because I have almost groomed girls into what I want. They even admit what you may call red pill truths.
But then society and culture is too powerful. All it takes is one thot friend to lead her astray.
I disagree with TRP on female nature: that’s pseudo science bullshit.
If AWALT, then why is there a variation between women in different generations and culture? If AWALT, then why is there higher levels of assortative mating in highly educated people?
My sis is a scientist and highly educated. And she doesn’t literally have time for the dumb thot shit that young pretty girls do.
But alas I’m not attracted to anything but young pretty girls and I’m not about to wife up an older one that’s been ran through by 50+ guys.
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unknown39 1y ago
But I’m not disagreeing with TRP. I’m saying it’s more culture/society than biology.
The end result I agree with.
The path forward like you say is dependent on individual. Some may choose to enjoy the decline and live their lives with this new knowledge—some may say fuck these hoes entirely and focus on building their business, writing a book or doing something that leaves a legacy for their family or society.
TRPDuryodhana 1y ago
It actually isn't. Just look at the history of thought, layed out by various redpilled men.
These are just views of redpilled men from the top of my head. I'm sure there are plenty other obervations throughout the course of history.
unknown39 1y ago
Point taken but these men writing in a very different time.
Today, there are some women that rise to the top of their fields and outdo 95% of men. Even in tech, you will have a Sheryl Sandberg go to the very top.
At TRP, the fatal flaw is looking at the median woman. The women I work with day in and day out, some of these women are earning $300K+ and can talk about finance/investing better than 95% of dudes I know.
It’s all too easy to think in broad strokes and not look at the outliers.