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PoopBeast Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
Yuck! I've gotta take a long shower after reading that one.
Where, in that long, putrid diatribe, was ANY mention of women's failures and abdications of duty in modern relationships, or at least ANY acknowledgement that women might be at least somewhat responsible for this new dynamic the author complains about? It was nowhere. Just complete, and utter bafflement that men don't want to continue with the miserable grind that women have created!
The only thing that came even close to an admission of a flaw on women's part was the tacit acknowledgement that she wasn't willing to do anything significant in order to move her relationships forward with a man. To this author, a woman's duty starts and ends with "having a vagina".
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Men left because the responsibility of living in this wretched world means that we have no choice but to steel ourselves just to survive, otherwise it's not even possible to fulfill the expectations held by these very women who "miss us." Men realized that they can't be friends with females, so unless they feel there is an actual chance of having sex with them (and not be friendzoned or one of their orbiters) there is no need to be around them.
When they say """men""" they're not referring to guys like us. we are invisible. When they say "where have all the men gone?" it means "why have all the tall rich men stopped giving me free shit???" and the answer is because she hit the wall
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2d ago
@Seagram7, good catch on posting this. Wonderful article and raises a number of key issues we discuss on TRP.
As @First-Light puts it, it's elegant and well written but yet also illustrates the author's solipsism and lies as @JudgeSmales put's it: "Just be yourself" or in the author's words: "We never needed you to be perfect". There's PLENTY of ordinary men who would flood her, and all those single, aging women in the restaurant, but they're not "good enough". The OK Cupid study on 80:20 and 95:5 is public knowledge. When such women say "All I want is a decent man", they want the person to think she's as humble as someone marrying a hard working janitor when instead she'll only react to someone looking like Brad Pitt wearing glasses.
She's bemoaning the death of this era: "So I named what I felt. I texted him clearly, with care, not simply to declare attraction but to extend a real invitation to explore what was possible. I didn’t chase. I invited, leaving the door open. If he ever wanted to cross the threshold — not just to take, but to meet — I was willing. I wanted. I still do."
But men never really enjoyed the "hard to get" game where men pay for sex via having our chain yanked and paying for the privilege to perform like a seal on a dinner date. From when I came of age, I realize that this was a degrading spectacle but yet the culture around me normalized it. I felt like a sane person in an insane society and it turns out I was right.
She lives in denial even as she has the truth in front of her: "In that world, there’s no need for conversation. No effort. No curiosity. No reciprocity. No one’s feelings to consider, no vulnerability to navigate. Just a closed loop of consumption."
A keyword often used by women nowadays is "effort". A way to define that women are getting men to perform tricks in exchange for the possibility of sex. It pops up often in their writing along with "leader" ("leader" meaning someone who reads her mind and provides her with stuff she wants without her asking).
Men don't enjoy this, at least men who aren't shamed and Playboy, for a time, held a monopoly on a way for men to escape the role of sexual beggar for a mere $3 newsstand price. She saw this in her professional career with Playboy but refuses to accept it personally.
I also just noticed how she utterly refuses to (gasp) express "attraction" for a man. She will, at most, "invite" him to approach her but no way she'll make herself vulnerable (even as such women will say they want to be vulnerable). Even if she has tons of money for pay for her own dinners (hello @Overkill_Engine) and the guy will NOT reject her if she says she finds him desirable, she demands The Princess treatment. Here's a useful analogy: Imagine a woman has AAA so she can order someone else to change her tire, but she doesn't want a relationship with a man unless HE does it (for free) of course AND he better not expect any respect from her (since she can get AAA to do it). Women like this yearn for intimacy, but they cannot imagine treating men with the most basic respect to get it.
Finally, as @houseoftolstoy observes; She's a 54 year old divorced woman with multiple "situationships" under her belt. Why should any experienced man whom she deems attractive go through the old-fashioned dog-and-pony-show EFFORT for her? PARTICULARLY in that those men now have options for younger women who don't put them through such nonsense. I'm sure all those guys she's pining over have found better options.
And that's what The Wall is: Women with high demands aging out of the marketplace left wondering "where" they went failing to consider that their time-in-the-spotlight or 15 minutes of fame was temporary precisely because other women aged out to make that possible for them.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Don't forget that they also miss being able to reject men they are not attracted to to boost their egos.
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Yes, that too. If you ever read feminist theory or watch women made TV/movies, they are fixated on the concept of power, the dynamics of power, being powerful, etc. There is no greater power and ego boost than rejecting and shaming low value men. Low value to them because they think these men cant do anything about it and they will always come groveling back just for the 1 in a million chance of getting some. This article is an almost wake up call to those lonely women that those perceived low value men ay have some power after all.
I study history and did research and wondered why the early feminist movement was tied into the White Feather Movement. Why did these women that preached equality and voting rights want to shame men into war? The answer is power. Just think how powerful they must have felt and how huge an ego boost they felt that the simple act of handing a white feather to a man was enough for him to volunteer for the meat grinder and go die.
The article shows how culture has shifted and their shaming tactics dont work so the old lady is basically begging men to come back to the plantation.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
She is 54. Looks long gone. Now, she knows what it is to be male. No one cares. Welcome to the world men live in.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Women and laws put every disadvantage on men while giving every advantage to women. Society toward men today requires them to take all the risk, and receive not only none of the reward, but have to pay all of the penalties. It's just not worth it anymore. Until that changes, men aren't coming back.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Women now have as close to a hypergamous utopia as has ever existed, where they can pursue alpha males while extracting subsidization from beta males without any reciprocal obligations to them. Despite all the new freedoms available to women that freed them from their traditional responsibilities, men were still expected to adhere to their traditional responsibilities.
The Western World has quietly become a civilization that has tainted the interaction between men and women, where the state forcibly transfers resources from men to women creating various perverse incentives for otherwise good women to inflict great harm onto their own families, and where male nature is vilified but female nature is celebrated. This is unfair to both genders, and is a recipe for a rapid civilizational decline and displacement, the costs of which will ultimately be borne by a subsequent generation of innocent women, rather than men.
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
This is the world they created, or I should say this is the world we men allowed them to create. But this is what they thought they wanted and went above and beyond to create this world, they cry about the consequences. To them this is freedom, the ability to be sexually promiscuous with the top 20% men while having the bottom 80% of men as their safety net. It sound like a win for them, so why are they all miserable?
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2d ago
Notice her age.
She's only noticing and giving a shit now because she's starting to realize that her future is dying alone in a nursing home after a decade+ of reduced standard of living if not outright poverty because she can't get direct male provisioning anymore.
Edit: The extra amusing part is her portion about working for Playboy - she essentially admitted that for a good chunk of her life she aided and abetted in the manipulation of men for personal gain. And took exactly no responsibility for the status quo that emerged from that dynamic and many others.
And still fails to grasp that men aren't "paying" attention anymore because it isn't worth their time to whip out the wallet, be it fiscal or emotional.
Sit at that restaurant alone and pay for your own meals, bitch.
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
She worked for Playboy makes this even more ironic and delusional. She saw firsthand what men are attracted to which is women in the prime reproductive phase of their lives i.e. youth and fertility. Plus what really gets me is working for Playboy, she saw firsthand, right before her eyes, how fast women get cycled out for the next young hot thing. She saw that the hot girl playmate of the month was replaced next month. Those girls were constantly replaced monthly and she didnt catch on???? So she basically spent her best man catching years playing stupid games and is now in the win stupid prizes stage of her life.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
You: The extra amusing part is her portion about working for Playboy - she essentially admitted that for a good chunk of her life she aided and abetted in the manipulation of men for personal gain. And took exactly no responsibility for the status quo that emerged from that dynamic and many others.
Well said, well written, and sooooooooooooooo true.
JudgeSmales 2d ago
Yes, I found it interesting the author kept using the restaurant scene as a proxy for the state of relationships. The not-so-veiled inference was that men have gotten wise to the "foodie call" and tapped out. This 50-something slag says women don't want orbiters, they want men who are active participants. What she really mean is: "Bring your wallet and buy me food."
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Bring your wallet and buy me food, in exchange for nothing.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 2d ago
It looks like you posted this before I even had a chance to do it myself. Nice!
I could not put my finger on it at first, but reading this part sparked some inspiration of thoughts from me:
The concepts of ownership and communion with relationships stopped being valued when sex became something that was no longer held sacred. And by sacred, I mean not given out easily and freely to previous men in the past. Women who want long term relationships (especially marriage) should not be giving sex to any capacity to the type of men who were never going to commit. I don't think it takes a whole lot of brainpower to figure out the kind of man who is not going to commit. Having a blanket policy of No Sex until Marriage does an excellent job of filtering out this type of man. Sure, some men will have this as a dealbreaker and would still be willing to commit, but given the track record of so many women having the "where is this going" conversation with men they have been sleeping with, I am not giving the benefit of the doubt for women in general to be able to tell the difference.
On the other end of things, the men who are more inclined towards wanting marriage and children are going to see a minefield in the dating market trying figure out who would be an acceptable prospect for a wife. The type of man who wants marriage is not going to prefer or appreciate a woman who was the town bicycle now looking his way to "settle down." Especially if he was the type of man she previously ignored while going for the "fun" and "exciting" guys who she was never going to get a commitment from (whether she knew the outcome or not). And since women know full well that being truthful about a high body count is repellent for the type of man she is trying to lock down for marriage, men need to adapt to the conditions of women lying about their past.
And how do these men adapt? Some men may be willing to venture through the minefield and use their best detection skills to carve a path to success and not get blown up, but others? They have done exactly as described in this article. They have "disappeared." They simply gave up because putting in countless time, effort and money on the line for little chance of true success was not worth it in their eyes.
The author wants men to come back? She is not helping her case as the messenger when she herself is divorced, and she does not realize that offering the carrot is a poor persuasive tool when the carrot is rotten. Women need to give men a better offer if they want them to come back, and most women cannot do this when they have lived far too permiscuously and the marriage/divorce laws have become a worse deal for men. Simply pleading for men to come back means nothing if the deal is not better.
JudgeSmales 2d ago
"The type of man who wants marriage is not going to prefer or appreciate a woman who was the town bicycle now looking his way to "settle down."
Even the most pussy-starved men are now aware -- well in advance -- that marrying such a woman is a ticket to feeling like a sap for the rest of their lives, or however long the marriage lasts. Most men are good at risk-reward, ROI equations, and they quickly deduce that the potential reward (mediocre sex with a run-through 50-year-old who thinks she's the smartest person in the room) is not worth ANY investment of time or resources. You don't have to be a Chad doctor/lawyer/underwear model to do that math.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
This is a very good gynocentric article. The author writes with elegance and feeling from the female perspective. She mourns a lost world -the 20th century world, where men put their heart and soul into pleasing and courting women and where women gave men the perception of value. This was a world where women held all the cards and men performed and chased and gifted and pleaded and tried.
Cat's out of the bag now lady. There is no value in what the ladies were offering. I like this line "We are asking for presence. For courage. For breath and eye contact and the ability to say, “I’m here. I don’t know how to do this perfectly, but I want to try.” But what are you offering in return for all that? "It might be your turn if you are lucky boy" -Thanks but I'll pass. Its not worth putting myself into it in return for the chance of a turn.
Ladies we missed you last century. We still miss you but we have got used to the cold and many of us have stopped begging. We don't want the chance of a turn, we want a helpmate who gives us her kind heart and her best efforts in emotional support practical nurturing in return for our promise to do our best to take care of her. We want the arrangement for better or worse not till she is pissed off or bored or wants better.
Ladies you took away the good in you. We miss it. You are welcome to return it.
TJMS 18h ago
And we wanted those things before she squandered her best years to become a burnt-out old whore.
JudgeSmales 2d ago
From the article: "We never needed you (men) to be perfect. ... We are not impossible to please. We are not asking for performance."
This is the sort of "just be yourself" nonsense women have tried to push for decades. We all have tried that, multiple times, and we were found wanting or judged to be somehow inadequate, because she's "allowed to have standards." After while, men got tired of being dissed by women who can't balance a checkbook or keep their apartments from looking (and smelling) like a pigsty. I had to get hit on the head 20 times, but I finally learned.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 2d ago
And there you go.
SouthPoleProductions 2d ago
Next sentence
1985? 14yo
Either she doesn't remember or it is trickle truth concealment.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Simply a great article.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
This hoe only cares about herself. She does not miss men, she misses the attention she used to get from men. She wants to be wanted again. You can dress that up in pages of emotional, flowery language, but this loneliness is the endgame of every slut.
Even while she claims not to be blaming men, she blames men. Maybe we weren't brought up right? Maybe we are hiding behind "firewalls" and stuff? Maybe we only want the porn that you literally spent your life trying to get us to buy?
Virtue signaling and nostalgia will not fix anything. It's only the tip of the iceberg in terms of what women will have to do to reverse this trend. The author is not fixable, but the best she could be doing, if she actually cared about women, is warning the younger ones not to do what she did: Don't have a career or sleep around, like I did. You want a man at the breakfast table who is "intimate" with you, marry him when you're 18 and a virgin and stick by him for life.
The lack of interest in women is not just because of "technology". It's that women are insufferable and can't fulfill the functions for which they were created. Bad laws (unevenly enforced) make a woman a dangerous investment at best.
What you're going to see in the coming years is women trying to swing the needle juuuuust far enough back to get what they want, and then go right back to doing what they want. "Oh look, I'm a trad wife, tee hee! I always wanted to be a loyal, cute housewife! Here's me in a French maid outfit!" And some sucker will fall for this, and nothing will change.
Without sweeping, comprehensive change on several levels, things will get worse until the nation collapses. This will happen soon. A nation cannot survive the destruction of its families, the invasion of foreigners, or a birth rate of < 2.1 Never has, never will. There's far more at stake here than "I can't find a boyfriend" and the author of this article is part of the problem.
SouthPoleProductions 2d ago
The world govs: Are you asking for it? Hold my beer.
Market for genetically modified inseminations +700% YtY.
It would likely fail anyway but psychos sitting at the tables, like women with frozen eggs are probably thinking it would be a valid path.
Poland at the moment has massive surge in invitros. It's so big it has to be the post wall women trying to jump a train of getting betabuck alimony in their last ditch attempt.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1d ago
"This hoe only cares about herself. She does not miss men, she misses the attention she used to get from men. She wants to be wanted again. You can dress that up in pages of emotional, flowery language, but this loneliness is the endgame of every slut."
I said as much above, but you did more succinctly.
If a man isn't willing to "make an effort" or she has to (gasp!) show him actual, clear attraction, he's not worth it for her. She was able to make these demands when she was young and during a period of time before "metoo" and Anita Hill mucked things up.
I just had an epiphany: She's engaged in a "Gone with the Wind" Scarlet OHara soliloquy: The party is over! Boo hoo! She doesn't want to have to EARN a living like a working person. It was all fun until they took the slaves away! She wants her privilege back! "I invite men to treat me privileged in exchange for transactional sex, when I'm in the mood!"
I haven't had a chance to catch it yet, but I understand the film The Diner explores men's sentiments during the initial era of "women's liberation" as men in the 1950's started to question their roles as well. That maybe being a disposable bodyguard and ATM machine wasn't all the fun it was cracked up to be. Women's liberation came out and men's "privilege" was all checked: We didn't LIKE having to cook our own meals, clean up our own apartments, compete in the workplace, and watch our language? Tough! Man up men!
Yet, these women can't engage in the most basic of adult behaviors compared to what us men have had to go through for 4 generations.
SouthPoleProductions 2d ago
Slut cycle. Evening walk, walk with e frenemy shopping, work, feed a cat, feed a monster aka get smashed.
BTW Of course its bs, women sit with men, but she has filtered what she sees trough her own glasses. Thats what she sees around the corner.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1d ago
Something else in this diamond mine of a trainwreck: She says she sees lots of women at restaurants. Gentlemen, how often do you go to sit down restaurants? I'm cheap (and proud of it) + I'm working out. I can't afford, both physically and economically, to waste money at sit-down restaurants. I can cook nearly anything I enjoy at a restaurant at home, or get it for takeout (General Tso chicken being one of my few weaknesses.).
Do women enjoy the Princess Treatment of sitting down while someone serves them? Is that it? Imagine the existential hell of this woman, and others, having to pay, out of their own money, for the Princess treatment.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1d ago
I know I don't bother going solo to most sit-down venues most of the time unless I am well away from home for some reason. Which means I am usually cooking at home or grabbing takeout (delivery markup is a waste of money unless you are multitasking).
Lots of men are like us in that regard I think. And it's why we have spare funds that these used up hags so badly want access to. Because we don't waste money on dumb shit without a good reason.
Hmm, that does give me an idea, if one is starting a "convenience" business like prepared food and the such, one should probably do a demographics assessment not just for the desired income bracket, but the ratio of women. The more your business relies on a wasteful/lazy customer base, the more women you are going to want to have be nearby.
There is a reason I've been in a good mood all day.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2d ago
Damn, I had found this one yesterday with intent to post it today.
fucker beat me to it!
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1d ago
I feel your pain. I thought the same when I spotted a screenshot but hadn't yet gone to read it. Pretty hilarious article too.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
every single one of these articles written by women wondering 'what has happened to men? / where are all the good men gone?' has one thing in common:
they writers have aged out of the market place and they have not realised it.
This woman is 54. She wants to cosplay as a 19 year old virgin in the dating game where attractive and poweful men court her.
She is delusional. Men with options have never wanted inferile women.
Her age means that reproduction is long and truly 'off the table. About 20 years ago. And the penny has not dropped.
Here's a PSA for any woman that might stumble into this convo - you ready? Sexual attraction is based on reproduction. Love and attrataction is based on the reproductive urge. Your fertility is zero at 54. There is no man that wants to take on an infertile woman. Forget about it. That ship sailed in your early 30s. Time is long gone.
She needs to wise up and stop dreaming about a hero coming to rescue her.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1d ago
Here’s another factor: Men in their 40’s and 50’s are experienced AND have a lower sex drive. Our BP beliefs have been mugged by reality both in our own experiences, those of other men we know, and from the media. When we started out in our teens, we were like sailors on shore leave in a port designed to strip us of our spare cash.
Perhaps what happened is that in her youth she was able to demand men lie to her. This was both to brainwash some of the men into BP thinking, but also to make herself happy. It reminds me of the film “The Invention of Lying”. “Real men” are gentlemen who enjoy pleasing women for the fun of it, yes? She wanted to be lied to, and there were men who happily obliged.
I don’t feel any pity for such women in that when men such as myself tried to educate them, they’d ignore me or get hostile. They didn’t want the truth. They lied to themselves and sought accessories to their delusion.
I want to hope a young woman will read this and “get it” but it’s probably more likely they’ll buy into the message this woman is trying to say: “Men need to Man Up and start doing what women want! It’s not OUR fault!”
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 4h ago
It's not necessarily true that they have lower sex drive. I'm 54 and I still want to fuck around 2x per day.
The big difference is that I think about women totally differently than when I was in my 20s. Men need a woman to create a family. We can do everything ourselves (better than any woman) except gestate a fetus. This is why young men are so blue pilled - they need a woman. It's nature.
My reproducing days are over. I am not going to have any more kids. I still like to fuck, but I am not going to be looking after any woman, thank you very much.
And this is what happens to women when they go past their peak fertility - they find that men are not so interested. they can still get laid, but they can't get an LTR.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 23h ago
It is never their fault. Thus, no accountability. Strange how that works. Too bad men, don't get that option.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 5h ago
When I was waiting for the gender reveal for my future daughter, I pondered what my child’s life would be like. If I had a son, I’d have a lot of work ahead of me preparing him for the rough world he faces in a society that regards him as disposable.
On the other hand, the seemingly benign pandering our culture gives women is a trap that this very blog illustrates is as destructive in its own way: Spoiling someone and setting low expectations. I mentor my daughter, give her gentle but firm discipline, and want her to see accountability as a gift rather than a curse. “Responsibility” means your future, for better or worse, is in your hands as compared to waiting around for a “leader” to provide for you.
As unpleasant at the Red Pill world is, hence why it’s a difficult pill to swallow, there’s an empowerment to it. Nearly everyone here can lead a fulfilling life if we: 1) Lower our demands and expectations and engage in stoicism. If you need less to be happy, you’ll be happy nearly every day. This cup of coffee I’m enjoying at this moment is 5 minutes of heaven. 2) Put in an effort to be a better person for those that matter in our life. Not just a better person overall, but to nurture and curate our relationships. Being a good person, unlike money, is something that can’t be “taken” from us like cash. You can’t steal someone else’s decency.
Entitled people rarely understand these truths ironically because they don’t need to pursue them.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1h ago
You have a daughter, I have 4 sons. I am big time Red Pill, and I tell them to not let female haters get to them. My oldest is married, Middle boy soon to be in a year or 2.
I think in about 5 more years, western women are going to realize what feminists have done to the dating/mating game, and it will swing to the men's advantage. In college nearly 60% female to 40% male. If women want a college educated male, they will have to compete. What a shock that will be. My 17 year old will be sitting in the driver's seat on relationships.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1h ago
What do you mean by “not let female haters get to them?” Not fall into a blackpill misogny trap? Marriage today is tough, but many of us here have done it. If I had a son, I’d have RP Ninja trained him to maximize his value AND to leverage it. If he found a nice, virgin girl from a good family in his teens, I’d encourage him to jump on that boat before all the single mothers/CC riders emerge into the dating pool in his late 20’s.
The next stage to RP is to turn the tables on them: A handsome, RP man, particularly one with a good job, shouldn’t marry any woman whose not pretty AND rich. Look at Chris Pratt: His cute blonde wife Anna Faris was giving him a hard time so he traded up to a Kennedy. Kennedy’s are like lottery wins for handsome, celebrity men. My Chad boss’s wife cheated on him so he divorced her and wound up marrying a pretty woman whose family owns an entire industrial block of Alexandria, Virginia.
The problem for modern women, who aren’t educated like my daughter is, they refuse to compete as a matter of principle: They not only want the best fish, they want to lean back and have the fish jump in the bucket. And the fish should supply the bucket. Without their youth to attract men sexually, they have zero game.
Fun analogy: I’m reminded of the COVID era when parts shortages sent auto prices through the roof. Dealerships basically raked in cash marking up cars at $2K above MSRP (or more). Now the Jeep and Chevy dealerships have cars rotting on the lot (called Lot Rot in the industry) at $50K plus and going bad, fast, unable to figure out what to do.