Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
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5. Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy". (Examples, details)
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 3y ago Stickied
At 41, it basically already has run out. And before there are any examples of women past 40 having children, just be aware that most of those women already had children when they were younger, which pushes their fertility window back. A woman who is just starting to try and have children in her 40s is very, very unlikely to succeed. There is a remote chance, but it is indeed very remote. Not only that, but all the risk factors for pregnancy complications are significantly higher for women her age.
Always been your dream? Then what in the world were you doing for the past couple of decades? Certainly not doing all you could to make that dream a reality. She mentions dates in the last 2 years, but what about the last 2 decades? While we do not have a for sure answer, any answer she could give would demonstrate that she was not doing enough to make her dream a reality. When she was in her 20s, she could have had all that she claims she wants now. Even though she mentions not being a workaholic, my guess still is that she put her career priorities before the priority of finding a husband.
If there was a way to turn back time, she could have her dream easily, but alas, there is no way to do that. Now she has the odds very much against her of attaining her supposed dream. This woman is but one of many women that should serve as a warning to younger women who want to have a husband and children: start early. By early, I don't mean at 30. I mean in your early 20s. This does not mean that women need to be married by their early 20s, but they need to start looking for a man who is husband and father material when they have the greatest potential to find this sort of man. Along with this, I will add that women should not spend any time engaging in casual sex/hookup culture. And I don't mean a little bit is okay but don't get too carried away, I mean none at all.
Some women may complain, "But men can get away with hooking up without any consequences, so that's not fair!" First, the type of man that I would classify as husband and father material is also not the type that will engage in that activity. So you should not have to worry about this supposed "double standard" when considering what you want. Second, most men cannot get casual sex nearly as easily as the apex men (see: the apex fallacy), even if they want to. So in many cases, women are complaining that the Chads are able to hook up "without any consequences" while women are seen as sluts for doing so. Well, who is exactly setting the standards in these cases?
For the men, women set the standard for acceptable behavior in men, and for women, men set the acceptable standard. Men do not want to commit to sluts (at least most men do not), while women are far less likely to reject a man for a commitment just because he has slept with many women. In fact, many women see such a man as more desirable because of his sexual success, or at least seek such a man who is sexually successful but do not hold his number of sex partners against him. Women are free to reject such men for commitment or sex, and women who do want a husband in fact should. But that's not for me to decide.
In short, women need to start their husband search early and forego any aspect of casual sex if they want to succeed in finding a good marriageable man. Otherwise, they are likely to end up like this woman hoping they can somehow find a man who wants marriage and children with them in spite of their diminished capability to have children and the questionable nature of their past.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 3y ago
Exactly, the "double standard" they complain about is a female problem, not a male one. They want to slut around and not be stuck with the results of associating with Chad. Chad isn't a good marriage prospect. I've seen far too many women throw themselves at a Chad just to end up a single mom just like all the other women before them.
Junkas 3y ago
The consequence is that their time is spent finding women to hook up with rather than marry. The consequence of chasing men who want to hook up with you is that you’ll hook up with them and not get married. The consequence of convincing men that hook up culture is great is that they’ll think hook ups are great, be less likely to pursue marriage and more supportive of women not pursuing marriage
Honestly, that entire argument about what men get away with just highlights a fundamental misunderstanding of what consequences are. If they “win” the argument they’re just digging a deeper hole.
Intrepid_Place53900 3y ago
well put,
The men (they want) will just continue hooking up and not going for commitment.
then the men (leftover) are the only ones willing to commit. She's saying, that's not fair. I want a hot guy!!!! who's got money and is nice to me, too. forgot that.
poor girl .... sarc/
orbilius 2y ago
Here's a funny exchange in the thread that demonstrates her delusion:
Some other user:
A different other user:
And now her:
lol! "I feel I'm more attractive" - k. But do you have any objective evidence that you are more attractive? Because the only thing that matters is the opinion of the men you're trying to date.
She's been "constantly improving herself" but if men mostly care about youth and fertility, her "constant improvement" has been as helpful as rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic!
Add to that, undoubtedly some of her "constant improvement" has been career-related, which men do not give a shit about.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
If she put that much effort into her pursuit of a man 20 years ago, she wouldn’t have this issue.
Now, she wants a man to put a baby in her. Who is going to want that with a 41 year old woman? Sure you could be like Melania Trump, exceptionally attractive and respectable, and get a much older man who’s willing to be a father again (provided you don’t think a 60 year old man is going to be wiping butts and doing the bulk of the housework). But that’s rare.
Just another case of a woman who lived life like a man, but now wants to assume the feminine role in a relationship because that’s what her primal instincts are telling her to do. She mentioned that she dated an unemployed guy, but she told on herself when she said that she moved specifically so that she could live somewhere with a better “educated” male to female ratio for her. She wants a guy who is better than her. She doesn’t want to assume the role of a provider to a lower value man that may see his own window to have children closing.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3y ago
I'm in a profession where employee turnover is common (I usually got a severance of 6 months) so I'd take advantage of the time to take care of myself: I'd travel a bit or just sit at the beach. I still made good money. Nonetheless, during one such period, my wife's female friends sort of ostracized us and didn't invite us to weddings (because they were ashamed to expect we give a wedding gift) so instead of just saying "just come and don't worry about the gift", they didn't invite us.
So perhaps she went on one or two dates with a guy between jobs, but otherwise normal, and acts as if she's a saint. It's funny that she says she went on 120 dates, asked her friends, but needs the internet to provide her with advice because any friend should observe: She's too picky and demanding.
Story from my (relative) youth 30 years ago: I went on dates with biological clock tickers and back then, I was offended by women who refused to go out on a second date with me after I accepted their supposed offer to pay half. So I conducted an experiment: I confirmed a second date, that she liked me, and the relationship would move forward. Then the dinner check arrived and... crickets. She made the fake grab for her purse and I let her go through with it and I saw all the telltale signs of her getting angry. "How dare you!" was written in her eyes and pursed lips. That was that. Here was a gal that quite frankly had diminishing options and she was still acting like a 21 year old spoiled brat.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 3y ago
She wants to fill thw feminine role in the biological sense, but certainly not within the relationship. She's built her life like a plate-spinning Chad: a highly-paid and highly-credentialed guy who has women throwing themselves at him, so he never commits because he doesn't have to.
She's the female version of that guy... and the guy she's looking for doesn't want a women like her. Is she going to do the wife-and-mother bit, or is she going to want to outsource all the icky and inconvenient parts?
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 3y ago
She's going to want a dude either willing to pull both halves but slightly better off financially than her, or one so much better off that he can hire maids to do what she won't.
Issue with that approach is either man can afford someone younger, more fertile, and less demanding.
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 3y ago
That caught my attention too - she's so desperate she's willing to move. She even says I'm willing to try almost anything. Almost. Except dating someone less educated than her. Such a shame that her master's cannot impregnate her.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 3y ago
Sure, she is desperate. But not at the expense of her ego.
TriumphoftheSwill 3y ago
I'm sure they are bullshit degrees. Probably in social sciences. Based on what she said about helping the world she most likely works as a social worker or somesuch which is a lot of work and little pay but a LOT of patting yourself on the back and that's really what she's looking for.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 3y ago
I would be surprised if she was a high achiever.
TriumphoftheSwill 3y ago
That's the thing though- she thinks she is and when men don't she can't understand it. Women make the mistakes of thinking that men think just like them. All her catty friends and homo bffs think she's amazing, why don't eligible men?
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
The funny part is that even with socal science degrees, if you are able to get past the gatekeeping that degrees allow you to get past and build some experience, you can still make good money
Random_Throwaway_000 3y ago
Social workers can make good money, if they don't burn out hard and fast, which is what I've seen is normal. Get past 5 years, and willing to live on the road? Ya you can make 100K
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
PhD in Underwater Basket Weaving. Someone can use baskets weaved underwater somewhere in the world, right?
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
What we have here is a woman who wanted to play by men's rules.
What these women don't understand is that when they play by men's rules, they get men's rewards and consequences.
For men, we run this race and if we run it harder and faster than other men and get to the finish line, we get the prizes: money, status, and women.
For women, they run this race and if they run it harder and faster than other men and get to the finish line, they get the prizes: money, status, and women.
What's the difference? Men WANT those things and women (unless they're lesbians) do NOT.
They want men. The problem is that men aren't waiting at the finish line offering their fertility and youthful beauty for women to claim them as prizes. Worse, the men that ARE there are men those women find repulsive.
Women want to run a man's race, but get woman outcomes and it just doesn't work like that.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 3y ago
Well put.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 3y ago
There's something seriously wrong with her.
maseboogie Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
120 dates in 2 years (5 dates a month) and nothing? Oh she's a classic "Yeah, but..." dater and it's obvious she's been that far longer than in the dating window she described. I wouldn't be exaggerating if I said probably half of those dates was with someone who would have made a great mate for her, yet she couldn't resist the extreme nitpicking:
KS did a show entitled "You Already Met Mr. Right...And You BLEW It!" and this woman no doubt had her Mr. Right in front of her 15-20 years prior. Now she wants to pretend she's been overlooked and underappreciated in the dating world.
We all know women grew up on the Disney "Fail-y"tales, but when you mix that with their worship at the altar of the "Sex and the City" shrine, this is the result.
orbilius 2y ago
She literally did that in the posted thread! People did the same math you did and asked her why she didn't go on any second-dates. She got pissy and replied with this:
For background, she's in academia, so she's one of those super-liberal women who work constantly doing their research and (in her case) social work. She's probably insufferable if you're trying to date her, with her never having time, and when she does, if you say the wrong thing, you get a lecture.
I'll just translate her list of reasons for you:
sexual harassment = she met a dude on a hookup app and he suggested hooking up.
insults = someone got tired of her bullshit and told her the truth
extreme religious views = christianity. She's a hardcore liberal and to her, christianity is white supremacy.
being rude to a homeless person = her date protected her from a pushy bum who was demanding money.
overconsumption of alcohol = a guy (correctly) read the situation and realized there would never be a second date so, fuck it, might as well have a good time drinking.
Nonetheless, she posted her little rant on a tech website and a bunch of men hit her with the "I'll date you!!" line, and one her comments is this:
lol, "how brave" - stunning and brave.
That was 16 days ago. 8 days ago she posted a new thread talking about having reconnected with a college and that now she's dating him. Someone remembered her previous post and asked:
She answered:
...deflection. She has already done a "yeah but" with the guy who IMed her.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
I have no pity for any single woman in the west.
All they have to do is show up and not be a stinky bitch and they will have some options coming their way. Their problem is that they believe that they are too good for the things that they attract.
Imagine taking your wares to market, only to turn down paying customers because you're waiting to sell your wares to customers that are actively passing your booth and shopping for goods elsewhere! That's what women do. You see 3s out here scoffing at 5s and 6s!
If a woman is single, it's because her actions have made her single.
TriumphoftheSwill 3y ago
Those male friends that say she's a catch are gay so they judge her by the same metrics women judge themselves, which is only meant to impress other women and, as usual, doesn't take straight men into account. Why would a man want a woman that's constantly working on her career?
Despite all these supposedly impressive credentials, she still wants someone to find someone for her. I don't know her but you can tell she's clueless. I bet the men ran screaming.
"My time for children (has run out)"- fixed that for her
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 3y ago
Not necessarily. If you had a woman like that among your friends and she asked you point-blank What's wrong with me? Why can't I get a husband?, would you be honest and point how insufferable she is, or would you just tell her You're perfect; I can't understand why men can't land a catch like you?
LolTroll11 3y ago
This is actually a very funny thing.
I don't think any of her friends are real friends.
By her own words, she's failing at dating. She's gone at 120 dates in 2 years. But all she has to say for herself is praise. She's telling us, everything that is wrong is because I am at wrong places or meeting the wrong men. And I am sure, if you talk for more than 5 minutes about this to her, she'll be blaming men.
You don't get to this state if you have good friends. Specially men. Men love to drop T bombs all the time. If she's actually around friends that care about her, she'd get a book about what's wrong with her.
Tells me she has actively cut off honest people from her life because they were "being toxic".
It's not about if you'll tell her honestly about how bad she is. She'll actively go out of her way to not being your friend, way before she'll ask that question. Life is good that way
wswZtyqNGQ 3y ago
Yes. And that's why I don't have women as friends.
OPPTRP 3y ago
120 dates in 2 years and she isn’t self aware?
LolTroll11 3y ago
Man. This one's so bad, almost looks like the poster was trolling.
Hypnotism. 120 dates in 2 years. Only encouragement, no discouragement. Emotionally mature and doing meaningful work.
What is this Girl's gotta eat. Sounds like a fat acceptance thing to me.
inevitableowl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Apparently it is a comedy podcast about dating , sex and relationships hosted by two (presumably unmarried) women
So I don’t know why she lists that as some kind of credential
Looking at recent episode titles :
In fairness that last one is probably useful. And there is one once I opened the list about marriage and divorce laws (the truth about…) which presumably acknowledges that as a reason men aren’t committing?
But again seems very hoe phase based. Or at least refusing to admit that it is a problem
Someone serious about relationships should think there is only one rule about fuck buddies - don’t have them. And should never even need to consider the “situationship” question. Pretty sure that one is a woman only thing. Guys are you either lucky to line up a FWB/casual thing or are in a proper relationship. I don’t many see a middle ground or would even entertain it
DextroShade 3y ago
This reminds me of what Kevin Samuels said just before he passed:
"If you are over 35 and you aren't married, you are a leftover woman. You are what is left. Men know there is likely something wrong with you."
This woman wasted her best years larping Sex and the City and now she hits 40 and wants to be a wife and mother. Also,120 dates in 2 years means an astronomical body count which prevents her from being able to pair-bond with ANY guy. Hopefully she got a Chewy coupon in the mail like I did, she'll need it.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
Over 35?! That's incredibly generous.
DextroShade 3y ago
Yes it is, in Asia leftover status kicks in at 25.
Heatwave 3y ago
Qualifying marriageable men is her problem, she wants chad from the bachelor not reality.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Well let's consider what men are the equivalent SMV to her, single, and wanting kids... Based on her age, she's about a 3 in terms of youth, beauty, and fertility. So she could get a 3 or below. For a man, he's a about a 3 when he's 18. So she could get an 18yr old but no guy wants kids at that age so that won't work. If a man remains a 3 but increases his wealth enough to afford kids, it's probably because he's very unattractive. Maybe short, fat, ugly, autistic, etc. AHA! She can date a blue pilled older autistic guy.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 3y ago
Basically she could pull some senior back-end software engineer at a super left leaning tech company who gets paid well enough because they keep things running but doesn't get enough social interaction to realize the con game she'd be running on him and is blitheringly happy to be getting scraps instead of realizing he could do far better.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Yeah us autists tend to be naive. They say that as a woman gets older, the risk of having autistic children goes up. They also say autism is genetic. I say older women are forced to reproduce with autistic men due to a lack of options.
From the point of view of autistic men, under the old system, we'd be thrilled to finally find "true love" and have a wife and kids and the woman would "settle" for a quirky engineer in order to have her needs met. Under the new system, we go get hotties from abroad who think we're their hypergamous best and the modern women die alone, watching as we walk by with our wives and kids.
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Ahh yessss.. The realization that 41 to 72 is long 30+ years of working. She is not just looking for a husbank and instafamily, she is looking for her excuse to leave the workforce and retire early. She has already checked the strong and independent checkboxes, now she needs the rest on her girl game bingo card filled out .
That bastard piper never told her about the compound interest. Pay up, laydeez.
reignoferror00 3y ago
120 dates in 2 years? Never mind the sheer number of guys (I'll get back to that).
That's over a date a week every week, not getting a step closer to your supposed goal.
You couldn't find one in that 120 worth going out with for a while? OR more likely the vast majority didn't give you "the tingles" and the ones that did you drove away by pushing too fast and too hard for commitment and talks of marriage with kids. The equivalent of some inexperienced guy walking up to an attractive girls and blurting out to her Do you want to fuck?
According to your male friends you are emotionally mature? "Encouragement only, no discouragement" Oh yes, that sounds emotionally mature. Maybe your sarcasm detector is broken.
You reek of desperation and baby rabies but you also compounded that with high $tandards. You waited FAR, FAR too long for getting into a relationship with the goal of having kids - especially with someone you expect to $upport you.
If it was a childhood dream and so important to you, you should have a good start on getting a long term relationship that may lead to a husband and kid(s) at the very least a decade ago. If it has always been your dream you shouldn`t have pulled a Rip Van Winkle and expected a Disney fairy tale ending - yours will be more Grimm.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
I'm late to the party on this one, and everything I want to say has been said, so I'll just say excellent find, OP!
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 3y ago
Bastards all beat you to it!
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
Hah. RL has been demanding as hell lately. Next few weeks
moment*likely (damn phone) to be even worse.