We've known about the specter of censorship as long as we've been talking about The Red Pill. Censorship and forbidden knowledge go hand-in-hand. Knowledge cannot be forbidden without at least the threat of soft-censorship- the idea that sharing these unspeakable truths would end you in financial and social ruin. But hard censorship, deleting words off pages and outlawing words and contexts, this was always on the horizon and something we knew was a long time coming.
That's why over half a decade ago we invested in an off-site platform that would not only archive the best of TRP but also provide a life raft and meeting place for members to continue to connect, to maintain connections, and to communicate freely, despite what every other platform tries to do.
Reddit was never going to be able to be a forever home for us. And this reality is becoming more clear by the day. After multiple mods were banned on askTRP, we made the hard decision to lock the forum and move it to https://www.forums.red/i/asktrp. We got some pushback when we did that, but the truth is, there’s more to the red pill than simply where we live and what app you use. My biggest priority during my time here was to prevent border erosion and protect the discussion. And this simply cannot continue happening on Reddit.
It started as something simple- a request. Don’t use the F word. Don’t use the R word. You can say what you’re saying but tone down the language. We implement rules for this. Then it becomes: You can’t have a frank discussion about difficulties of dating within certain cultures or ethnicities. Eventually, it became: You can’t have that specific sexual preference; you’re not allowed to prefer women without dicks or even differentiate between them. You can’t have that opinion; you’re not allowed to think that way. Eventually, you’re really only allowed to say specific things, and here’s the list.
This is no way to preserve a discussion. This is no way to communicate. And this is no way to become a man who does and gets what he pleases. This is the road, paved with small concessions, to surrender all ground to the feminine imperative and cede the red pill in favor of the new, improved purple pill that takes blue pill feminism, gaslights you into thinking we’ve always known that about sexual dynamics, and can’t you just improve yourself without all those darn wrong opinions and misogyny?
And there it is. They recognized they couldn’t destroy TRP by simply removing it or banning it. So they decided to invade a male space, change it from the inside while slowly changing the rules and delivering it a thousand cuts to finally finish it off.
From a post I made 6 years ago, The Viability of the Red Pill in the Future - Border Erosion:
Every day, our mod team removes at least two or three such fellows who arrive with well meaning but misdirected attempts to tone down the misogyny here so that we can still discuss the good parts of TRP without all that hatred! "TRP is really just about self improvement, afterall," they would say.
And it certainly sounds nice to think that. Yeah, we are here to get better, aren't we?
But serving the feminine imperative is exactly what that does. What is the word "improvement" without a goal to work towards? If we are making ourselves better, then to whose standard of better are we striving? If we accept the notion of dropping misogyny (or the apparent misogyny, as it were) and focusing only on politically correct advice such as working out and eating right, then we have done a great service to the feminine imperative. We have curtailed our own goals to serve the feminine. We have changed ourselves to benefit others. That sort of self-improvement is acceptable to our politically correct overlords. It seems so easy to adopt it and move on, that almost every single male organization did so without realizing the consequences, and are now shells of their former selves.
Being able to be unabashedly male and use whatever language to discuss whatever ideas we deem appropriate is not only beneficial to a male community- it is a requirement. It is the heart and spirit of TRP… And today, it is under attack like never before.
As of now, we have lost half a dozen or more mods, and hundreds of subscribers to Reddit’s anti-evil operations. As of this morning, /u/Whisper has finally gotten the ax. (Reach out to him on his verified trp.red account). We are no longer in editorial control of this subreddit. We do not control the message, we are not allowed to provide you the freedom to control your own message, we do not have any room to play. This subreddit is completely compromised by the admin who have been clamoring to destroy us since the beginning. Not with better, more persuasive ideas, but instead by attempting to corrupt and destroy us.
But the joke is on them. They cannot destroy these ideas. They can’t change TRP. They cannot stop the train that’s already left the station. The Red Pill is in the wild. Billionaires have used the phrase. We’re on television. We’re in your politician’s speeches. An entire generation now uses the phrase “red pilling” to indicate WAKING UP.
And we have https://trp.red and https://forums.red/i/theredpill to continue the conversation without being hindered by the authoritarians and bloopies who wish to see our ideas fail. It never once occurred to them that all they had to do was come up with a better idea and ours would simply fail.
We’re not alone with this encroaching censorship. FDS finally jumped ship (and even if I think they’re morons, they deserve to be able to speak). Incels were banned. MGTOW canned. Where All the Good Men Are got temporarily banned, but they know what’s coming for them. In fact, they’re so convinced that they’ve moved their (hilarious and fun) operations to https://www.forums.red/i/whereareallthegoodmen and https://www.forums.red/i/whereallthegoodmenare.
Our time is nearing an end on reddit. This message is for those who come [To Reddit] after we are no longer able to get the message out. Reddit is dead. We will no longer be able to maintain a proper conversation [On Reddit] . As a means of keeping the door open we will not be locking the Reddit Forums as of yet, but we keep them open with the following warning:
CAVEAT EMPTOR: WHAT YOU ARE READING ON REDDIT IS AND MUST BE, BY DEFINITION, CENSORED AND THEREFORE IS NOT ENDORSED NOR APPROVED BY ANYBODY WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT TRP.
If you would like to support the project, our donations are here and our bitcoin is 1Hyyva2G5aCJwNqYToGoCCGATVNMB81zk7 here.
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whytehorse2021 1y ago
The larger picture is that men are slaves to women and we're exposing it. Whether it's through showing examples of their bad behaviour, statistics, life stories, etc. the information is all the same. askTRP is nearly the same thing as the old Negro songs that instructed slaves to "wade in the water" to escape.
So the first tactic is to ignore us; claim it's some fringe group. The next tactic is to laugh at us; portray us as incels. The next tactic is to fight us; portray us as misogynists, ban us, delete our content. Then we win, according to Gandhi or some shit like that. As long as the message keeps getting out and enslaved men keep leaving the plantation, we've won.
theultmatecad 1y ago
But the joke is on them. They cannot destroy these ideas. They can’t change TRP.
Hilarious and True.
Yet are we really here to save the world? Not me. I'll help a man willing to listen that he matters for his own sake.
The rest of the clown show can stay a clown show
redpillschool Admin 1y ago
We're not saving the world but we are publishing the truth. As long as the beacon exists, we win.
moorekom 1y ago
We don't have to win. Truth just is.
polishknight 1y ago
I like redpillschool's analysis on the "improvement trap" that the feminist narrative offers to men: Men have to literally earn a living, so to speak, as feminism and society move the goalposts. It reminds me a lot about corporate America and Stacked Ranking where, I kid you not, the term "public executions" are used to fire an employee annually to drive the remaining workers to work harder than the previous year. It's The Hunger Games.
Men are told that we're losers by default and simply being a decent human being isn't enough anymore. You have to be in the top 10%. I disagree with Richard Cooper's thesis that the solution is to just make all men "alpha". By definition, only a small subset of men can be alpha.
The snide feminist line goes "feminism is the radical notion that women are people". My response is: "Anti-feminism is the radical notion that men are people too." It astonishes my foreign wife at how poorly American women treat service workers who, by an astonishing work ethic, truck and stock their food and make much of life possible. This isn't just a crisis of masculinity but society on a scale similar to that of the USSR in 1989.
Feminists (claimed) to examine gender roles when in reality they were just justifying certain portions of them. We're tearing into chivalrous entitlements that go back to Don Quixote.
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redpillschool Admin 1y ago
Reddit. He's still here.
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mattyanon Admin 1y ago
God damnit we need to make this place better
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
yup, I was banned on reddit also. On purple pill no less. I posted something that was just too close to home for one of the (male) moderators and he banned me. Talk about BLUE pill, shit. But, It did not break any of the site rules, he just claimed it did. It wasn't permanent but that basically just ended it for me, you can only post what they want to see/hear, even their supposed rules don't really matter. So, F em.
RedPill115 1y ago
Wait, do you happen to remember what you posted?
Most bans are because you got near the truth, just as you get over target and figure it out is the point where they get the most banny.
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
I remember it was related to an OP worried that his GF had done many ONS, and he was a very avg guy, didn't work out, a bit flabby and wondering if his girl lusted for him.
My reply was basically if she was doing ONS, it's probably with hot guys, guys she normally wouldn't be able to attract or keep in a relationship.. If you aren't hot, she's probably not gonna lust after you as you just don't compare to them. She can love you, love and lust are different. Then the Mod actually responded and came in and said he doesn't work out at all and is a bit overweight and his GF lusts after him and I have to be wrong.
My response was I was a chad, I did ONS with all kinds of girls and almost all of them would tell me to "do what you want with me, use me". And I did. Then I asked the mod, did your girl ever say that to you , want you to do that with her?
The OP said, "damn that hurts". Told him to hit the gym and eat good.
Then the Mod banned me, said it was incel.
RedPill115 1y ago
dayyyum, bro, that is awesome. you should get a trophy or something.
sounds like i said - when get right over where they know the truth is, that's when they're most likely to ban you.
i got banned from the trucking subreddit for telling a guy that was it nice that he did his pretrip but you're not a mechanic and truck brakes require things only a mechanic can do as regular maintenance. It was the truth, so some mod had a fit and banned me.
p.s. i don't think reddit tells you who banned you does it? you naturally assume it's him but it can be another mod - like imagine his girlfriend is a mod there, she does NOT want you telling him this. or any of the female mods who are super narcissistic and angry at men. the women who keep a boyfriend while cheating on the side are usually very angry at anyone talking about what they're doing. or maybe it's him, just my 2 cents
Intrepid_Place53900 1y ago
your situation was total BS, they banned you for that?
my thing, there's only a few active mods really on purple, so doesn't matter which one did it. If he didn't do it, he should have called out the other mod who did, it isn't incel. They don't follow their own guidelines.
RedPill115 1y ago
Yeah, that was the post that got me banned. For psycho mods saying the truth is literally the trigger.
I don't mean some specific "red pill truth" or vast theory, I mean literally they melt down at any truth that doesn't match what they think benefits them.
Bans usually happen when you say stuff that's accurate that they don't like.
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 1y ago
Thanks for mentioning us.
Summary of the full story of the banning of our child sub, and its subsequent reinstatement:
When reddit banned /r/MGTOW and /r/MGTOW2 over bad publicity from some criminal who had commented there once or twice, various bloopie subs decided to use the momentum from reddit's panic to try to get virtually every manosphere sub they didn't like banned. /r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre was erroneously banned for "/r/MGTOW ban evasion". I appealed right away, letting the admins know that a) the sub had been up for 4 years already and wasn't created when /r/MGTOW was banned, b) while MGTOW are welcome, it's not a MGTOW sub, and c) many of us (including me) are married, and therefore by definition not MGTOW. The appeal was granted, much to our surprise.
We haven't lost as many mods (so far, just me, @DeeplyDisturbed, and @Aldabruzzo), but all three of us were permanently suspended from reddit for frivolous reasons, along with countless members/contributors.
moorekom 1y ago
Good post.
Speaking as a WAATGM and WATGMA mod, it has been my belief that our subs will face more issues because what we do is to exercise the worst form of redpill belief: we showcase the faulty dating strategy of the feminine imperative, we make fun of it ruthlessly and more importantly, we hold these women responsible for their choices. The last part is so radical (although it should not be), that we know we will have to face the music at some point.
Above all else, we hold the belief that a woman who is a legal adult must be treated like a legal adult. No more pussy pass or benevolent sexism for a woman who is strong and independent. A woman can either behave like a kid or a grown-up, but not both.
Yes, I know from personal experience that on an individual level that treating her like a kid or your subordinate is the best way to ensure your relationship stays healthy, but what most people miss is the big picture where men, as a collective, hold women (as a collective) accountable to their shitty decisions and choices. If you are not big on that, we would not hesitate for a moment to ban you.
For this very reason, we also do not allow shaming men for the shortcomings of women. That is the low hanging fruit everyone grabs everywhere, at all times. This is a prime example of the selective treatment women get: kid gloves when it comes to accountability, but strong and independent when it benefits her. Fuck that nonsense. We expect your focus to be on the woman, not the man or what the man could have or should have done to take that responsibility off of her. We don't give a shit. She made a choice. And we will hold her accountable to her choice by mocking her as she should be.
That huge caveat aside, everyone is welcome to come participate in our tribes. Please make sure to read the sidebar rules, especially Rule 1: No shaming men for any reason.
polishknight 1y ago
I chuckled at your remark "Yes, I know from personal experience that on an individual level that treating her like a kid or your subordinate is the best way to ensure your relationship stays healthy"
Married for 18 years and that's precisely what it's like. We have a 6 year old daughter and it's a balance of recognizing she's a kid and I can't hold her to the same standards of adulthood BUT I also can't just excuse away bad behavior from her because she's a kid. I have to constantly assess in my daughter what she's capable of and hold her to it for her own self growth.
On the other hand, my wife tends to baby my daughter: "You have to constantly offer her food otherwise she'll starve" while I advocate allowing the child to FEEL hungry and learn to be more pro-active about asking to eat earlier on.
When modern women gripe about the lack of "real men", they don't consider that they and their society have undermined the ability and motivation for such men to grow. When they gripe "all the men today are such boys!" I respond "Who (didn't) raise them?" They get a flustered look on their face at that point.
Some of the best advice I got was from an early RP advisor back 22 years ago who said that a romantic marriage was now impossible for men. Due to the legal and social situation, we have to accept that we live with a woman in permanent "girl" mode who will become abusive if we give them too much leeway. We have to check our emotions around them just as I have to be the "adult" in the room with my daughter. My little girl can sometimes lose her temper or expect the adult to take care of her, but I'm the adult, always. It's the "real man" burden.
When I catch my wife acting irresponsibly, I have to (carefully) point it out to her in a gentle, supportive (and firm) manner and she grows a little. But it's like I live with a permanent teenager.
It amuses me as I compile the family history in albums to share with other descendants how much stronger my grandmothers were compared to the current crop of "strong" women. One was a boxing fan (the more blood the better) and the other had a strong sex drive (in the marriage, of course). Both were full women who also respected their husbands, put their children "first" (in the sense they cooked and cleaned rather than watched TV), had jobs to help support the home, AND engaged in community activities in their churches.
moorekom 1y ago
Your grandfather might have seen your grandmother in a different light. From the outside, a lot of these women might seem strong but only those who know them well know their true nature.
Romantic marriage is only a matter of degree for men because at the end of the day, for there to be romance, one party has to woo the other. Someone sets up the date and the other feels that there is romance. Very few women exercise romance as a two way practice. Most just want to feel celebrated.
polishknight 1y ago
I appreciate what you're saying. I don't mean to say that 'bluepill" worked back then, but rather women back when they were "oppressed" appeared, from what I heard, to be stronger and more mature. Then again, our whole cultural narrative today is flawed hence why we need TRP in the first place so who knows how good theirs was?
I just chuckled again at the observation that when women complain about how men are "boys" today, we can remind them that the "good ol' days" meant that the Patriarchs they crave demanded a price. If they want the Old Men back, they got to go back to being the Old Women.
What I find especially glaring differences between then and now is how people handled poverty and hardship. Nearly all my great-grand parents didn't have running water or indoor bathrooms and yet they raised families. As we see often in the featured dating profiles, it's not uncommon for single mothers or lower class women to have the kind of arrogance one would expect from a princess. Women back then were smart enough, or perhaps better educated, to not have champagne tastes on a beer budget.
moorekom 1y ago
It's very simple: a masculine man wants a feminine woman. If a woman wants a masculine man, she has to be feminine. Feminism does not allow women to be feminine. It does not allow women to do anything to please a man. It's very selfish and stingy. You cannot be happy or be in a happy relationship when that is the base philosophy of your life. If a woman wants a man better than her, then she cannot be equal.
polishknight 1y ago
Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth: “Free love” means in theory that one can have Beauty and The Beast because “True Love” shouldn’t be hypergamous, yes? Both sexes have tried this: Some young men have wanted a pretty woman who won’t judge him by his lack of looks or money, but because he’s “romantic” and sincere, while women want to marry a handsome, and wealthy man, while bringing as little as she can to the table.
I don’t think this scenario failed for women because of the masculine-feminine dynamic you mention, but rather a historical situation: Back in the 1980’s, there were tons of baby boomer men with good incomes available to marry a (smaller) supply of younger, but fewer, career women. So hypergamy worked for women because of (lots of supply) of masculine men and fewer, younger feminine women.
Back then, a woman would be satisfied with mere “at least”: At least as wealthy and at least as tall and that was that. I was offended back then about it, but I couldn’t have imagined how it would take off today perhaps as sexual mores loosened and so many CC riders sleeping with a chad, they came to believe that 666’s grew on trees.
It’s not about masculine men being attracted to feminine women, but rather the masculine women are poor versions of masculine men. Men have a code that masculine women don’t follow. For example: paying your way or offering to pay (sincerely). Masculine feminist women are “feminine” when it comes to wanting the man to pay for dates, but this is mere selfishness. They aren’t “feminine” in the good ways that matter as you mention. The masculine assets she offers are deliberately something she expects him to provide for himself anyway.
Another way of putting it is if I know how to cook, and a woman wants someone who knows how to cook because SHE knows how to cook, that doesn’t necessarily matter to me because that doesn’t compliment me. I already bring that to the table.
What’s interesting (sorry if this rambles) is that the Renaissance man that women desire is, in many ways, the ideal man both in terms of income, looks, and emotional maturity but why would he want to marry an aging, selfish shrew? Emotional maturity doesn’t mean that one wants to marry a train wreck but rather AVOID them.
moorekom 1y ago
Patrice O'Neal once put it brilliantly: "Just because I'm loveable does not mean that you're loveable. You're assuming you are. You're not loveable. You're leavable." That's the problem with modern women: the assumption of their innate value.
polishknight 1y ago
I'm reminded of a discussion I had back 40 years or so ago with a female supremacist who argued that women deserved special treatment in sea disasters (women and children first) because women made babies and men didn't.
I pointed out to her that past the age of 50 or so, such women were worth less than the average man of the era who could at least earn a literal living. A woman who planned to not have children (perhaps she was a spinster, etc.) would have certainly less value than a 16 year old boy with his whole future ahead of him.
Young women do have incredible value not just for their ability to have children, but to market their sexual assets that exceed that of most trained professionals. That being said, though, such value is highly transitory similar to the classic song by Bruce Springsteen "Glory Days" where a high school football star and his sweetheart who are both far from their "glory days" reminisce about their past while lamenting their not-terribly-bright futures.
moorekom 1y ago
Yes. Chivalry is the idea that women are valuable just because they exist. As you might know by now, I am not a fan of it and I despise it. I hate chasing women. I do not entertain shit tests. Respect is big for me and I hate groveling. I like to make them chase me. Weird enough, when that happens, they are happier. Feminist women with submissive men are never as happy as a submissive woman with a strong man she can depend on.
moorekom 1y ago
@kevin32.
tierteen 1y ago
And I thought gender studies aren't good for anything and here we go,, they knew that the best course of action is to corrupt r/trp from inside and wait till gangrene will eat it, inside out.
Yet we need to implement some improvement to this website as likes of RecoveryTime and I think MineralWater trying to do the same by sing plausible deniability.
What about freezing certain acc by implementing negative karma count on posts/username only counted in case of endorsed users votes [50% of the active ones in last 30 days]
lurkerhasarisen 1y ago
I'll join my two fellow WAATGM mods who have already commented by saying thanks for the mention. We've been absolutely ruthless about enforcing the rules on Reddit, and that's a big part of why we haven't been banned (yet), but we've been talking among ourselves about the inevitable ban. This is now our base of operations: the cost of access on Reddit is ever-increasing self-censorship.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
Thank you for opening a non-Reddit space here on Forums.Red.
chunky 1y ago
"One of Reddit's content policy rules was directly implemented to counter some of our posts. I can't even tell you the entire topic that has to be censored here, but you can find it on trp.red!"
What is that topic?
redpillschool Admin 1y ago
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/129573