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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 3h ago
So let's get something straight for these two poor, struggling souls [sic]. Men never went to a bar for drinks. You can drink much better liquor, for less money, without the inconvenience of flagging down a bartender, at home (don't even need to wear pants!).
Men go to bars and clubs to meet women. That's what they're paying for. A club promoter once referred to his job as slut-herding: rounding up hot sluts into a single location, so that guys could pay money for the convenience of shooting their shot with a bunch of women in a single night, women that they otherwise would never meet through work or friends or the rest of their normal lives. The alcohol is just social lubricant.
But now, the slut herders aren't necessary, because they've been replaced by the biggest slut herder of them all: Tinder (and other OLDs). Now, you can shoot your shot with far more women herded into a single location, much quicker, and much easier (don't even need to start with small talk). And even a paid subscription to Tinder is cheaper than a cover charge.
Eespite women's lies to the contrary, even in bars, it was never about conversation. It was about your looks first (which is why everyone dressed up). Then money ("So what do you do?"), then maybe a little extra credit for personality. Which is the same on Tinder. So it's not even like you have a better shot in a bar because it's in-person (maybe at church, or at work, or being setup by friends, the priorities are a little different, but not at a bar). Why would any man who has a decent shot at attracting a woman at a bar, not just spend their time swiping on Tinder? Far more efficient, cheaper, and you only need one set of curated pics rather than having to dress up every time you go out. No small talk, no buying drinks, no dealing with friends being cockblockers, it's open 24/7, you can literally go through more women during a bathroom break at work than on a full night at a club.
And let's be frank. Neither of these women is celibate. They go to a bar hoping some deluded person will buy them free drinks all night, while lining up a fuck session with a hot guy off tinder. And guys know this. If you go to a bar with the intention of hooking up, or even actually finding a girlfriend (you sweet summer child...), you're no longer just competing with the guys at the bar. you're competing with the thousands of guys available to her on OLD that night. What advantage does meeting them at the bar provide you? It's far better to be the guy meeting them on Tinder. The cost is basically free (not just in money; in time, and most importantly, emotional damage of being rejected).
Honestly, even the women prefer this: they have access to many more guys than they do at the bar. What they're really complaining about is that they no longer get free drinks, and they no longer get the dopamine high of rejecting a man to his face after he's invested several hours and a hundred bucks on drinks for her. That's really the only thing that bars provide for a woman that they can't get from Tinder.
Theoretically, swiping is better for both parties: neither one wastes time with someone they see no potential in. But only women complain about it, because the old system had something more valuable: seeing just how much time/effort/money you're willing to pay for the chance of dating her, before she rejects you. Guys' emotional pain at rejection was always the inverse of women's emotional satisfaction at seeing how far on a limb a guy would go for her. It's why when experienced players, who might spend the same amount of time on her, easily move on to the next one when she says no, the girl feels cheated, or "played". What exactly was she cheated of, if the PUA still spent time chatting with her and flirting with her? And the answer is of course: she didn't get to see him suffer from her rejection. He robbed her of that emotional high.
That's what these girls are after when they go to a bar. They can find men more easily on Tinder than any bar, just like men can find them with much less effort. But the high of rejecting dudes on Tinder by swiping left isn't the same as seeing their confidence shattered face-to-face, especially when you know the guy you swiped left on barely even remembers swiping on you amongst the hundreds of other girls he swiped right on. And for sure will never spend the rest of the night thinking about you and what he might have done differently.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3d ago
Do check out the comments at the bottom.
Also, @polishknight has already posted the video that this article talks about.
Only women could start a global movement to end flirting of any sort at any location, and then get upset that men have stopped flirting.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2d ago
@ogrilla99 had an interesting take on it here: https://www.forums.red/p/whereareallthegoodmen/325426/the_force_can_only_have_a_strong_influence_on_the_weak_minde/7874419/
While yes, OLD and OF has increased exposure and hypergamy for mediocre women to astrospheric levels, there is a catch that hot men don't feel any need to respond to any demands from such women in public anymore. Even many normal men no longer respond to them due to decades of AnitaHill and MeToo.
I had them in my backlog for 2 weeks but posted today as it occurred to me how astonishing it is for the teeny bopper crowd to finally get it rather than a 40 year old wondering what happened.
Truth is dripping down to them, somehow, like molasses.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 2d ago
Always have [with Chad]
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
In 2007, I was on a FPSO off the coast of Nigeria. Nigeria at one time was a colony of the UK. When Nigeria got its independence, it kept its main connection to the western world via the UK. On the FPSO we had internet. The default page was based in London, thus all articles online were based in the UK. I was on-line looking at the side bar stories, such as what pubs were the best in London, and soccer scores etc. I found a story titled "Tall women complain shorter men don't approach them," I thought to myself, on what planet has this ever happened? So I read it. The story centered on 5-6 women who were 5'9 to 6'. So what was the problem with them getting dates? They all were early to mid 30's.
Me: Too bad they didn't have this benevolent attitude to shorter men when they were 22-26. Now, that they smashed through the wall and were aging out and losing out to younger and shorter women, they were in panic mode. Now, any single male was welcome. Again, too bad they didn't think like this when 22-26. Boo Hoo we limited out options and now our options are limited.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Remember, she asked about the cute guys. Its only the cute guys. If you don't think you qualify as a cute guy for her (the girl you don't know over there) better stay away or you will be a creep harassing her.
Second thoughts, unless you are a true Chad maybe leave it. If you are a true Chad, you probably have something better lined up anyway.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2d ago
Yup, Chad can just get the same quality of trim for less hassle on Tinder, et al. Way easier to juggle multiple women at the same time and seamlessly redirect his energy to whichever one happens to be most receptive at that time.
This is part of why lower tier men need to learn to not obsess over making a perfect approach at a particular woman. It's a massive waste due to over-investment. Just turn that shit into an assembly line for maximizing poon output. If a particular one doesn't play ball, it just goes into the reject queue.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
It's a massive waste due to over-investment. Just turn that shit into an assembly line for maximizing poon output. If a particular one doesn't play ball, it just goes into the reject queue.
I wish I had learned this earlier. Now, years later, I should have been more aggressive when younger. I think of the wasted opportunities I could have had. If I got turned down, it should have been on to the next. It is a numbers game.
I do have to say, I never over invested in a woman.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1d ago
I don't know man, I'm starting to think that any marriage is overinvesting on the man's part.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Men approaching women is so 1950's. This is 2026. Woman up, bitch. If you want a man, go approach one.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
If women approached men, that would mean taking responsibility for their actions. And we know that will never happen.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
They can go cry about it on Instagram then. Oh wait, they already do.
*points and laughs*
PoopBeast Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
There's something delightfully absurd about a large publication like the New York Post writing an article based on a short tiktok made by two retarded bimbos with the combined IQ of room temperature. It's like; what are we doing? Where you getting your next salient discussion-starter NYP? From the brain of a gerbil? A Eurasian bullfinch?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1d ago
I know, right? That's the cause of about 50% of my laughter right there.