Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3w ago Stickied
Mod/meta note:
this is weekend content, as she doesn't meet the second half of rule 5. Normally we'd be stricter and wait until Friday morning, but fuck it. It's been a slow week, and OP has a strong history of many contributions.Edit:
Second half of rule 5, with the clause relevant to this post put in bold:
I forgot that portion! Gentlemen, we have an actual rule 5 post!
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
YAY! \o/
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 3w ago
Who's
Blue collar is no excuse for uneducated.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 3w ago
"It's really manly to raise some other man's kids!" appears to be a thing to say, but ONLY among single moms in need of being wifed-up. And never said before that point. I don't know if they're trying to fool us or fool themselves.
Sorry, honey. It's just never going to seem macho to voluntarily put on a T-shirt saying "CUCKOLD"
I'd rather wear a shirt saying "CRACK DEALER" now that I think about it.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 3w ago
Women all seem to be on this time line now.....
Step 1: Be modern, SIW, get railed, have multiple kids (from a collection of random men)
Step 2: only THEN discover the value in being a stay at home trad wife.
Ladies - you need to pick a lane. You can't choose step 1 and only then choose step 2. Doesn't work that way.
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
It’s sad man.
I get that we men just need to stay away from used-up, washed-up hoes. But the way nearly every western woman does this AND THEN just makes it extremely hard to find an actual wife.
Yeah, when these hoes get their comeuppance, it’s fun to point and laugh. But in the end that still leaves us with few remaining good partners. Pointing and laughing just isn’t fulfilling.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 3w ago
So 'real women' and busy telling us that 'real men' shouldn't mind raising other men's kids.
OK.
If you want us to 'not mind' raising other mens kids, you're really going to have to 'not mind' us having multiple wives at home.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3w ago
Actually, that's already sort of the case with Chad's harem. As long as she's not financially supporting him, what's the problem?
What I found hilarious about this find was her asking for a "blue collar guy". Not "Doctor Right" and not a "strong independent woman" "building and empire", but she specifically asked for a "blue collar guy".
Apparently, as @Typo-MAGAshiv pointed out, with AI putting thousands of white collar dudes out of work, plumbers and roofers are in style again with women. Sort of like this guy: https://youtu.be/XeZ2JJRP_8I?si=rm1AmrQ7A1i3wVgU
Doncha just love the details of that clip? NONE of them wearing seatbelts! Bench seating! And the car fits, like, 8?!?! And a Drive-in-Theater?!?!
I'm going to do a followup to my article on why 1950's housewives are not coming back: https://www.forums.red/p/whereallthegoodmenare/324971/the_paradox_of_strong_and_independent_career_women_hypergamy
Women such as this killed it yet she thinks she should be able to go back, when she pleases, with her demands and liabilities as assets. Astonishing.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3w ago
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3w ago
Womanese translated into plain text:
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
Since I'm a total nerd and follow AI/Robotics pretty closely, I'd say that these professions are going to be the last ones to be automated, but they will be.
She's just shifting as the winds blow, because it does seem that white collar work has been disrupted much more quickly (if you deal with virtual things that are largely defined by rules a LLM can easily pick apart like coding, yeah, you're in trouble) but guys that deal with the physical stuff will be in a better position before more specialized robotics/machine learning start to intrude.
The process has already begun, it started with LLM's sucking up every possible scrap of internet-hosted information. That is over, now they're creating their own training data, and the final bits will be the physics/world understanding that comes from real interactions, which is in progress. The easy stuff, like say, picking objects/boxes from conveyor belts and stacking storing things in warehouses is nearly done. The rest is the harder stuff, driving vehicles, heavy machinery, mastering trades like plumbing and carpentry, metalworking.
But those nuts will be cracked because the next phase is people teaching machines their jobs (with full knowledge they will be accelerating their replacement, but the money is good so they do it anyway), and once the abstraction of human skills and physical world knowledge is fully absorbed, its going to make the Industrial Revolution agrarian upheaval (farms to factories in terms of jobs and displacement of labor) look trivial in comparison.
It will create new jobs, but as you may know, not everyone can re-gear and get into another different field like technical prompting and AI Agent oversight from something else. It will leverage the output of those that can do these things, which means it will most definitely create a situation where those that can't leap the knowledge gap are relegated to worse low-paying jobs, if they can find any work at all.
Communism was born from the upheaval the Industrial Revolution created, so I'm apprehensive of what this brings this time around.
I welcome any counterpoints, but that is my understanding right now.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 3w ago
I think you're definitely onto something.
I'd like to recommend a book which I recently finished: 'How Not To Network A Nation' by Benjamin Peters. It's a historian's look into late '50s and early '60s proposals to create a civilian information network in the USSR. The main emphasis is on WHY the proposals were never implemented, and the sources of opposition were rather surprising. It's not so much about the technical side, but the organizational/political side of it. The planned economy created massive problems with information sorting (and information truthfulness) and the idea was that a digital information system linked to computer centers would speed production reporting for important economic sectors, reduce bureaucracy and automate things like planning and allocation.
The opposition came from multiple sectors: Different ministries didn't want to be held accountable to a system which was out of their control, local factory directors didn't want to deal with increased transparency and oversight (informal dealings and black marketeering were what kept things running), liberal economists thought a new network would obviate the need for their own pet reforms, the military didn't want to compete for scarce computer production... there were enemies everywhere and the proposals were watered-down again and again but went nowhere.
I recommend reading it, but only if you're interested in a case study where the technology sounds promising on paper, but there are too many vested interests to implement it. I've always learned more interesting lessons from reading about failures than about successes.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3w ago
@GimmeTheUsual There's a book "Burn In" that's sort of Asimov inspired that goes into it (but chickens out at the end, as they usually do) https://www.amazon.com/Burn-Novel-Real-Robotic-Revolution/dp/1328637239
And of course the classic, "Caves of Steel".
IMO, I think Reagan free market capitalism broke even during his lifetime when "Stacked Ranking" ingeniously subjected Americans to continual rolling layoffs to work employees to burn out and then they called to import a global replacement workforce to drive wages down and cost of living up.
At this point, Reaganomics isn't working so with AI, things will change when enough people can't afford to pay $2,000/mo in rent on a $10/hour income.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 3w ago
With the availability of easy credit, the trick is to pay for everything with a credit card. Then you pay that credit card with a new credit card.
And when that has reached its limit, you change your name, grow a mustache and drive down to Tijuana. And when Tijuana gets too hot, get cheap plastic surgery on your newest credit card and drive to Elko, NV.
Hell, the sky's the limit.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 2w ago
Reaganomics and "free market" capitalism^ is one of the few areas in which I can actually somewhat agree with the left - though, as ever, they take a kernel of truth and run it into fucking outer space.
A focus on economics in pursuit of national prosperity is all well and good but, ultimately, the economy exists to serve the people, not the other way around. Far too many business and finance types seem to forget that, particularly those at the very top, in whom psychopathy seems to be treated as a feature rather than a bug. GDP going up by 4% every year doesn't mean a damn thing when I can't afford to move out of my parents' house because Utah's been flooded by refugees fleeing the impending economic collapse of the west coast thanks to decades of socialist programs finally starting to buckle under their own weight (to say nothing of the impact of illegal immigration on local economic conditions).
If ending unsustainable social programs and kicking out all the illegals will cause the economy to shrink for a while as things reset to a reasonable level for the benefit of the American people, so be it. The health of your stock portfolio is less important than the health of the society in which we must raise our children.
^which, in practice, seems to usually just turn into regulatory market capture by the first business to get big enough to consistently
bribelobby the government.polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2w ago
I LOVE The Fifth Element. One of the few movies I think is absolutely perfect in timing, casting, characters, costumes, the works! This is a MASTERPIECE scene in Keynesian economics but also fits with the corporatist "what's good for GM..." mentality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkFAcFtBD48
I had it with Libertarianism when a guy online said that, for him, the SOLE success of a country was GDP/capita. It didn't matter if the majority lived in an termite colony in the gutter, crime, shitty culture, just GDP/capita.
Certainly there are Americans who profit from unhealthy immigration starting with slavery. A country founded upon a revolutionary concept of "God given" equality for all that continued slavery and apartheid right up to my lifetime leading to a cultural guilt baizuo self-hating pathology that threatens western civilization. So some businessmen could get cheap cotton and tobacco and save on home servants.
Not Big Government. Private enterprise selling out, literally, an entire culture for a quick profit and then kicking the can down the road for the descendants to clean up the mess.
What's interesting is... what happens when we live in, how shall I put it, interesting times but nobody wants to take it to that level?
For all the crap that MAGA levels towards Ukraine, sheesh, gotta admire Ukrainians for, twice, having color revolutions and throwing out crooks and would do it again while the 2nd amendment types have bumper stickers and go to the shooting range and... then just show up for work for corporate overlords to outsource them.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
That's the thing with unrestrained immigration as well, it becomes a global arbitrage where a worker willing to take a job in the USA compared to their home country (which usually has a currency that is weaker than the dollar) swells the labor pool and drives overall wages down.
Robotics is doing this but displacing some of the jobs into those that would support manufacturing the robots (until fully automated) themselves and other roles for supporting that infrastructure. Its only a bandaid though, because once general robotics is achieved, then the machines can handle those tasks.
Its going to be a general concentration of intellectual leverage as technical people and those able to make the leap into either supporting this leveraged robotic labor or founding companies that utilize it in novel ways enjoy the amplification of physical labor using nothing but their minds.
Its going to be a rather tumultuous time, just like the Industrial Revolution turned out to be. I fully expect social unrest surrounding the tectonic changes that will occur.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3w ago
At this point, AI is merely an excuse for the foreign born executives (notice the change of CEOs and CTOs of most corporations, including FedEX), to fire the Americans and then hire H-1bs. Oracle just announced 30,000 layoffs. That can't be because they ramped up AI that fast but, guess what, 3000 H-1bs. That doesn't include them hiring from contractor bodyshops.
And AI is overrated in terms of what it does with coding talent in that it takes a professional to look over the code carefully. Heck, a similar thing happened with the H-1bs: The AI slop and H-1b junk code required more labor to fix the bugs that was created (problem is they hired more H-1bs to fix it, lather, rinse, repeat.).
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
I agree some companies are totally using AI as a smokescreen to lay off people, but at the same time I also see how a lot of middle-management (people who are just command-and-control routers) can be displaced by AI doing the same thing from higher up on the org chart to those below.
Its going to change a lot of things, and people basing opinions on how well AI codes, for example -- is based on prior models without the improvements that have been made. Its progressing so quickly that those opinions are just an echo of the initial foray into AI code generation.
Its getting very good, like complete-app-generating good.
Do you need technical skill to prompt something and vet the code? Sure, but that is what "Intellectual Leverage" is. It takes people who know their field and amplifies their output, which means a lot of mediocre people are going to be out of a job.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2w ago
I saw a similar thing with travel agencies. At one time, to get an airline ticket I had to literally pick up a phone and call them and send a fax with my credit card information and then wait for a fedex paper ticket.
That said, for now, it's been clearly about them using it as an excuse for layoffs and then, get this, to try to get the remaining people to just work longer hours to make up for the work that AI is supposed to be doing like this classic line in Office Space: https://youtu.be/YYFO5qPpM_I?t=27
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
One thing that definitely keeps me up at night is if a anti-capitalist force gains the power of AI-Enabled tools and usurps everything with a watchful panopticon of AI Agents enforcing their edicts.
Thanks for the recco, I appreciate it.
Bozza 3w ago
Bold of you to assume she's that aware of news or current events. Particularly surrounding the economy.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 3w ago
She doesn't seem like the type to read "Industrial & Labor Relations Review" from Cornell University Press on a regular basis, no.
mustangfrank1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
If you are a blue collar man who is not broke, you will be with this woman. I have 3 sons, and they are expensive. Why would any man want to take on 3 kids by some other man and have this woman stay at home all the while he works to support HER and HER KIDS? The ad should read "Brain dead wage slave with no common sense and/or self respect needed to support a mother parasite and her 3 parasites.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3w ago
My aunt told me that when she was growing up in the 1950's, her parents funding her brother to go to university but not her. She was a housewife her entire life and her husband made all the decisions including a tight allowance.
The GI Bill was unprecedented in that it allowed millions of blue collar men who formerly wouldn't have gotten a college education to join the professional workforce and produce the middle and upper blue collar class that would create the stereotype of the bored suburban housewife.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 3w ago
Also, the home-owning assistance from the GI Bill. That, and the mortgage interest tax deduction. Sometimes, the best benefits sound the boringest.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3w ago
All of these put together were a true "boom": 1) Loans and college grants to working/middle class American men. 2) Still a social restriction on hiring women which raised wages overall AND limited female hypergamy. 3) The world needed American manufactured products so plenty of jobs. Back then, Japan would be buying cars from the USA. :-) 4) Masculinity was celebrated. Men had won WWII!
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
Duck lips auto-disqualifier. What's with that forehead? She should at least give herself bangs or something. She got her eyebrows drawn so high up she looks like she's got down syndrome with a permanent surprise. Once again, "I demand this, but offer nothing in return."
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
Damn that hairline ran away faster than even I could have!
Want to be a stay a home mom? Best shot at that would be to stay with the father of your kids. This is assuming of course that there is only one father…. It’s a big ask I know.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
Her hairline is almost as bad as mine, and I am well into my 50s.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 3w ago
So who wants to be the one to tell her that she is nowhere near attractive enough to warrant being a stay at home mom even if she had no kids already?
At the very least she's going to need to lease out some of that fivehead real estate to a solar panel company to bring in some income instead of just sitting on her ass indoors all day and getting fat.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
Being a stay-at-home wife used to be the norm, until 2nd wave feminism convinced them that was oppression while being a wage slave was "liberation", but now we are almost certainly heading into a economic depression, now they want that easier life back.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 3w ago
You don't.
Next question.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
"But I was told that I could have anything I wanted! I need to speak to the manager, right now."
NPC070201 3w ago
She could try Never-Never Land.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 3w ago
I think it's rather revealing that her reaction to a life in squalor is to preen semi-adorably at the camera while music plays and her clearly stated wants scroll across the screen.
I don't know about you, but doing that has always solved MY biggest problems.
NPC070201 3w ago
I think it's great. I'm a blue collar dude myself and I make pretty good money. I would NEVER give a chic like this a chance. This chic looks like the exact same chic as 20 others who, in my younger 20s, told me I was too nice.
Well fuck her, and all those bitches who told me that. I'm in my mid 50s now. I'm in great shape, with good money. Having learned my lesson, I'd laugh in her face now.
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
Why blue collar? Is this part of her trad wife fantasy -all hearty and real and she will be appreciated for her "work" in the home by a tired but honest man? or does she just mistakenly think blue collar guys will settle easier as they are in her eyes lower value but might still be physically good specimens (two more common female misconceptions).
As a blue collar guy myself it makes me suspicious. All my working life I have known women want to marry white collar guys -doesn't get his hands dirty, doesn't come home as tired, has more social standing in today's world, probably earns more. I think its some sort of misconception here.
No hard working men do not want to keep you and other men's children. They know how they sweat for that money. Its not free or easy for them, why should it be free or easy for you?
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
I think the mentioning of "blue collar" man is just a pre-filter. She might have just as easily said "christian" man, but then she'd need to pretend with christian stuff. Blue collar men are also known for doing the "right thing" => taking on whore single moms.
Heaviuh_Things 3w ago
Don't you get it?? Some white collar guy impregnated her three times in a row and then left her to sail around the world on his yacht (all hoes aboard!). A blue collar guy would never! He knows back-breaking work never pays in the end, so he would be totally fine with her offer....
More seriously now, your guesses are good ones. She probably sees them as being easier to intimidate by way of "intelligence"...or might even see them as more "desperate" for female validation due to his lower social status (as she sees it). At any rate...yes, my friend, you should be highly suspicious of women like these...and let's not even mention the Mystery Meat Specials she calls your step kids.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 3w ago
Bold of you to assume all three kids have the same father.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 3w ago
I saw this short news clip about this laborer in China who, I guess, spent years demolishing concrete structures without adequate masking or air filtering. I guess pulverized concrete dust accumulated deep in his lungs over the years and his bronchial tubes were basically clogging up with tiny pellets of hardened cement. It sounded horrible. So did his wheezing.
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
concrete dust is bad. I don't think the body's immune system can break down tiny concrete particles. Imagine your life was not worth a filtered respiratory.
JudgeSmales Jr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
I expect trad-wife rescue-me posts like this to multiply as AI starts to eliminate all the low-hanging fruit: female make-work at non-profits and other paper shuffling jobs. These are jobs that never would have existed in a proper Fed monetary environment, which won't stop feminists from screaming "UNFAIR."
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
The dual mating strategy of AF/BB is only working in the one side of AF. Many women are now hitting the wall and are finding out their BB retirement isn't there. Enough of the "good men" that couldn't get the time of day from a girl in their 20's know this game of a woman's dual mating strategy and they realize they are just a wallet and the fall back guy so girls don't die alone and broke. Enough men are either opting out or even worse, stringing women along with hope that he will commit his resources to her in the form of marriage. Rollo correctly pointed out that a blue pilled high value man that doesn't know his value is the target of post-wall women. Men are finding out their value and telling women to fuck off.
user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2w ago
I'm thankful for forums like this and other podcasts that have enlighten me to these bad feminism behaviors.
I was probably in my mid-forties when I understood for the first time when Kevin Samuels explained SIGN language (shaming, insults, guilt, and the need to be right). I came to understand shit tests, and, when I did, I immediately recalled several times throughout my marriage when my wife pulled that evil shit on me.
More and more each day, the younger generation of men are hearing these truths and are avoiding the pitfalls I endured.
Thank you to everyone here.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 3w ago
It's pretty easy to find these kind of videos lately - leftover single moms looking for a "good" man they can never seem to find. In the old days, there weren't as many around, but now there are so many I'm wondering how they can all be victims at once. The competition for attention must be getting fierce out there.
You're also seeing chinks in the armor of feminism with all these miserable desperate women virtue signaling their interest in being tradwives or SAHMs or whatever. Not that they could do these jobs at all, but they are starting to say the quiet part out loud.
What'll be interesting is when their behavior starts to change, especially in the younger age brackets. We're going to see some interesting changes.