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Solezhtyn 1mo ago
Back in college days some stupid ho stole my jacket after I let her use it on a cold day, and refused to give it back. Thats why.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2mo ago
@Typo-MAGAshiv It's a question about chivalry so flairing as such. Please reflair if necessary. Someone please post to Reddit in exchange for my gratitude because of a grave injustice that I am unable to do so myself.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2mo ago
Already did before I saw this.
I might start re-flairing all your posts, even when you nail it.
I might create a custom flair "PolishKnight is a gaywad" hehehehe....
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
Why have basic acts of care vanished in women? I don't mean the paying your way thing, so much as the free things that men used to get. When did a woman last sew you a button on? Make you a packed lunch, iron your clothes without your having to ask for it or agree it as being part of a woman you are sleeping with's share of work? Is it too much to expect women you interact with to just do these things? Or am I being unreasonable?
Ladies, you took away your share of small gestures. Now you wonder why our share is dying? Never mind you are all big strong independent women. You owe men nothing. You go gurls.
BobbingForBunions Sr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
On the one hand, many women are irritated by chivalrous acts, feeling that it's patronizing.
On the other hand, women have aggressively promoted the idea that men and women are equal. So, chivalry seems odd to a lot of men.
There's also a faction of men who are turned off by the societal expectation that they cater to women, particularly because societal expectations of women have all but disappeared.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 2mo ago
Yup. If women want men to be gentlemen and all that entrails, women have to woman up and stop being crass cunts and be ladies again instead of self selecting into "concubine/baby momma #5 at best" status.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
They wanted to be like men, and now they're surprised when they get treated like men. Is her expectations too high for today's world? YES. You're a man now. DO IT YOUR FUCKING SELF.
JudgeSmales 2mo ago
No, no. You have to MAN UP and guess correctly (in real time) when M'lady wants to be treated like a damsel and when she wants to be an equal-rights boss bitch. If you guess incorrectly, she's going to demand to speak to the manager.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
It was never free. Try this fun experiment:
Be a feminine woman. Wear a hat or scarf on your head in public, as all women used to. Speak softly or not at all, and if you do, say everything in a respectful, quiet, and brief manner. Never wear pants, never have short hair, never wear makeup. Learn to curtsy and do this whenever a man bows, nods, or tips his hat, usually in greeting or farewell. Do not curse or use foul language, and always listen more than you speak. Learn to ask men questions and then actually listen to their answers. Address all men as "sir", even men who don't deserve it.
Do all these things, and men you have never met will do anything for you, including rush to your defense/aid if you get in trouble or die for you in war. Men who know you will speak highly of you, seek your friendship, and stay loyal, even if they can't marry you. You will never lack for men falling over themselves to help you and make sure you are comfortable, even as you get old.
It's really a great deal if you think about it. I'd take it. You will be surprised how well it works, and for very little effort.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2mo ago
Something else to note is that First World High Trust Society manners required a group effort: You personally wouldn't get reciprocated for dressing or "thinking" a certain way, but it was a common expectation that generated habits. It was "assumed" that a woman was acting like a "lady" in other aspects of her life such as packing lunches and being empathic to the men in her life and "paying it forward".
Men's social manners were generally more public than women's in that men held open doors, gave up seats, etc. while women's was private so women tore down the foundations expecting men to "man up" and trying to shame them sexually. In addition, most men are raised by single mothers who didn't provide a solid foundation of masculinity to begin with. "Man up?" So he can be abandoned like she did his father? It reminds me of the joke cartoons about Praying Mantis mothers advising their sons.
MentORPHEUS TRP Endorsed 2mo ago
Not to disagree with your general premise, but shouldn't your advice begin with "hop on a time machine back to 1885" for those you're advising to encounter these particular customs getting practiced routinely?
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
There is a reason those things were done. It was at least customary to show respect to men in public, and many of these small anachronisms are still around today.
For instance, when I walk into a courtroom I must remove my hat, even if it's a "fancy" or formal hat. If I do not the officer will take it from me, because everyone knows it's disrespectful to the judge to wear a hat in the courtroom.
Funny how we keep traditions around like that as long as men are the ones that have to do things.
I'm not saying we should do everything like 1885. But I am saying that if a woman puts that list into practice, men will be universally impressed and will treat her like the lady she is. I would. I've known a couple women like this, and men just immediately like them and defer to them. They couldn't put it into words, but she is respectful and actually cares what men say and think. This used to be commonplace in our culture. In this respect I am wishing for a return to tradition.
Many of the things on my list are universal, across many cultures and throughout history. Or maybe slight differences, but the same idea. Even the telemarketers call you "sir" because they know it works. It's not anachronistic, it's just basic courtesy.
"A lady is a woman who makes it easy for a man to be a gentleman."
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 2mo ago
The answer "what happened to the good men" is "You did. You shamed men for helping you. You attacked men for even positive interactions. We didn't ask anything back except politeness and you violated that social contract, so we're done with it."
Tell this to women and watch the hamster wheel turn like crazy to make it men's fault again.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 2mo ago
See, having women act with politeness is a form of sexist oppression. M'lady should be able to belch, fart, swear, spit chewing tobacco into a beer can and scratch her groin at will.
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 2mo ago
First reason is that so few modern women deserve chivalry anymore, another reason is that despite your claims, women are not attracted to chivalrous men, in fact they are more sexually attracted to men who are not radiating good boy vibes, unless they are seeking a beta bailout.