Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 4mo ago Stickied
I am an Indian, so I think I have some insights here that others might find useful.
This dad is being way too kind in describing his daughter, either out of pride or genuine love. The biggest delusion he has is that his girl is a woman. She's not. She's still a girl aka someone who has never taken responsibility for her actions, and never will, unless he stops coddling her.
I know this type of girl. She's common in the Indian community (and lots of other immigrant communities). Most likely this is an upper middle class or richer family. Not to downplay the number of poor or working class Indians there are in America now, but the fact that he emphasizes how smart she was, that she was in AP / GT classes, and went to a "top" university (even the fact that he calls it a university rather than college), as opposed to say talking about how beautiful his daughter is, or simply "good" indicates that education was a huge part of her life, which is a common thing among all (not just Indian) upper middle class suburban families.
And right off the bat, I will say, that she was already a disappointment to them because she only got into a public university. At that level, Ivy League or near-Ivy League is the goal. While a "top public university" is acceptable, it's not considered a particularly noteworthy achievement. I bring this up not to insult the girl, but to establish what I suspect her family dynamics are: they are traditional, well educated, highly paid professionals who want their daughter to grow up as a traditional Indian: focusing on her school work, working hard, getting into a top university, etc. etc. And she was one of those kids who rebelled against her upbringing, probably partied and dated instead of studying, and ended up at a public school rather than what she could have achieved if only she'd gotten As in all those AP / GT classes. Truth is, she probably wanted to go to Harvard too like the rest of her classmates, but when she only got the thin envelope from Cambridge, MA, rather than re-assessing what part of her actions led to this rejection, she blamed her parents: they didn't let her join anything besides the math and chess clubs ("don't they know Harvard wants well-rounded students?") And by well-rounded, she doesn't mean usual Asian stuff like tennis and violin, which her parents would have gladly paid for, but smoking weed and blowing off midterms to go to a rock concert. Because, you see, there is no middle ground between becoming a complete automaton and completely rebelling to the other side. This was her first opportunity for her to reflect on her actions, understand that there can be consequences for them, consequences that your Dad, no matter how much he loves you, and how much you hate him, can't just rescue you from (unless he has Harvard's admissions director on speed dial).
If she had learnt that lesson here, she might have still had a great life. But I bet that's not what happened. She was furious she didn't get into the college of her dreams, and blamed her parents ("You forced me to take AP calculus instead of that interpretive dance elective! Don't you know Harvard doesn't care about Asians who know calc?!") and instead of calling her out on her bullshit ("I didn't tell you to get a 'C' in the course..."), they accepted it ("I'm sorry sweetheart. I didn't understand the college admissions process. You're right, I didn't go through it so what do I know? Things are different in India. It was my fault you'll now have to wear Penn State Blue instead of Princeton Orange. Forgive us!")
So you already have a girl who refuses to take responsibility for her actions. Anything bad that happens is her parents fault, for not understanding the "unique pressures" of being a rich, privileged, American girl who is basically guaranteed to live a life unimaginable to 99.9% of the world's population and even 90% of America's. All she has to do is not fuck it up. Which brings us to college...
Once she got to college, and all parental restraints were finally cast aside, she went nuts, and often deliberately did things to piss off her parents and announce to the word that she was a "liberated American woman!" while her parents were old-school, square, oppressive Indians. It's the same as when daughters in strict religious families go to college and become the biggest campus sluts. I would bet she's not even all that attracted to African Americans per se, just to the fetish image of a big, muscled, tatted out black thug and the heart attack it would cause in her father knowing he was fucking her. It was payback for all the perceived wrongs her Indian parents did by not letting her grow up as an all-American girl.
At this stage, if she wanted to find a docile Indian guy to hand her everything she wanted on a silver platter, she could have found one. In a good school, you can basically throw a rock and hit 10 Indian guys who will go on to 6-figure careers, and who are desperately looking for an Indian girl to date and marry (yes, even for guys, there's a stigma in America to getting an arranged marriage; that you couldn't get someone to fall in love with you the "normal" way; sort of like how both men and women look down on guys going overseas for a bride). But those guys are boring, and besides, she figures they'll always be around in case she has her fun and then can't find an exciting, handsome, non-Indian 6-figure dude (aka alpha bux) to marry. Plus, it would basically just confirm everything her dad always told her ("You should find a good Indian boy, maybe a doctor or engineer, to settle down and marry.") and who at 20 wants to admit their parents were right?
Some excitement here, some daddy issues there, it's all fun and games until she gets pregnant. Now again comes a moment when she can discover that her actions have consequences -- big, irreversible ones, and she needs to think long and hard and get this one right or she will be truly fucked. 100% certain this girl is pro-choice, and this is exactly the situation where pro-choicers argue abortion is a good choice. She's not married, the father has skedaddled, she's young with her whole life ahead of her, a good life, if she just finishes college, finds a decent guy, and then she can have a family in a situation that is far better for her and her future children.
If she used this decision, as painful as it might be, to basically sober up, become an adult, and start leading a more responsible life, then it could even have been spun as a positive. And that's what her family recommended. But again, she refuses any introspection. She probably yelled at her parents that the reason they're recommending an abortion is because the baby is half-black, accusing them of being racists, not wanting to understand the real issue is that she'd become a single mother and basically fuck over her life and her child's by doing it. Because if she acknowledges that the mistake was becoming a single mother, then she'd have to accept that that was her mistake and hers alone. While if the "mistake" is that it's a half-black baby, then it's not really a mistake and indeed, it deflects all blame to her parents for being racists (a juvenile defense mechanism shared by most of the commenters in the original thread, with plenty of them calling her father, and all Indians, racist for talking about the mixed race child, rather than focusing on the real issue, which is the single mother part). I brought up that she's 100% pro-choice to emphasize that for her, this was not due to any moral issue against abortion. If she was pro-life, maybe she does realize it's the single mother part that's the problem, and her responsibility, but still chooses to carry the baby because she's morally opposed to abortion. I could respect that. But that is not this woman. Her decision to not have an abortion was not due to morality, but because deciding an abortion is right would imply her parents are right and she fucked up, while having the baby means her parents are wrong and not only is she not wrong, she's a martyr in the fight against racism.
From there, her life predictably goes downhill. From looking forward to a high-earning job, and the dating circles that would open up to her, she finished her bachelors and didn't pursue anything further (only having a bachelors is equivalent to being a high school dropout in the Indian community). She now has a diminished job and lives by herself with her baby in an apartment. No doubt her parents help her financially and with child rearing tasks. Based on the timeline, she is now probably around 23-24. All of her friends are either in grad school preparing for lucrative careers like law or medicine, or making great money in an exciting city and playing Sex and the City with guys way hotter than "John" or the losers she finds on tinder who are willing to slum it with a single mom for a night. All those instagram posts her BFFs from high school and college (who now never call her or visit) post with hot rich guys doing exciting, fun stuff, eats at her while she's stuck at home changing diapers and watching Sesame Street before going to sleep at 7.
She thought being a martyr for the cause would be fun! She'd get to wear a cute Che Guevara t-shirt, go on 4-block marches (with hot cocoa at Starbucks afterwards), and what's more, where are all of those allies who should be genuflecting in front of her and worshipping her for all she's done for the movement? Not even a damn interview on local TV, or a shout-out on her favorite blog! She never contemplated that martyrs are called that because they frequently get shot and/or die alone in a mud encampment surrounded by soldiers while dysentery turns your bowels inside out (or would, if you had eaten in the past week). Which is the equivalent of what she realizes is slowly happening to her.
And yet again, we come to an inflection point. She can look back on her decisions, and accept that they were hers alone, and that her current predicament is therefore 100% on her. Or she can look for a bailout. And not just any bailout, but back to her Dad, that old coot who forced this life of hell on her in safe, secure, rich, suburban post Cold War America. He owes her! It's all his fault, after all, and she doesn't give a shit if he has to burn down the entire family's social capital to rescue her! The OP doesn't mention if they have other children, but if they do, they must also consider them. It's bad enough for people to know you have a "problem child". In arranged marriage discussions, that's definitely a black mark. But everyone can relate to having a black sheep. What they won't forgive is if you seem to agree with their decisions and resulting life (there's a difference between supporting and loving a problem child, and agreeing with their decisions). Then your whole parenting skills are suspect and no one will want your other children either.
But this daughter doesn't care about any of that. She's still a child. A toddler to be exact, perhaps younger in maturity than her own son. The entire world exists to serve her, consequences don't exist, and if anything bad happens, you should run to your parents to fix it. Which is, of course, the entire point of their existence. As I said, a toddler.
But the problem is that, at this point, it's beyond anyone's capability to fix. She tried fixing it herself. She spent a year of dating around and found out no hot 6-foot tall brad pitt with a million dollar mansion is looking to sweep her off her feet. And even Ajay that boring guy in her high school who became an accountant and apparently is making bank blocked her facebook friend request. Her asking her parents to take over in this quest is basically saying she wants them to face the humiliation of begging for someone to rescue her, rather than take that humiliation herself.
For those who have never seen it, understand that arranging a marriage for your child can be the biggest joy of a parent's life. And why not? Finding the right partner to spend your life with gives you far more happiness than pretty much anything else you do. It is literally the only thing that Indian Moms live for, to find the best, most amazing person for their child to marry. Once they've found that person -- and with them, another family -- they can die happy.
Think of it like college admissions, only even more important. If your child is smart and has good grades, they're getting literally hundreds of glossy photobooks from colleges begging your child to enroll. Every college counsellor in those college fairs is sidling up to your child and trying to sell them on it. And on the flip side, if your child didn't do well in school, no one is looking, no one is sending glossy ads. You have to tell your child that it's probably not worth the time sending in an application to Yale, he won't get in. And maybe start broaching the possibility of community college "you know, just in case you don't get into your dream school."
It's exhilarating or heartbreaking. And it's 1000x better / worse when it comes to arranged marriages. If your child is handsome / beautiful, smart, on track for a good career, "a good boy / girl" (aka raised with good values) literally everyone is approaching you about them. Friends, friends of friends, relatives of friends of friends, prominent, hugely respected families in the US and India (and other large diasporas like UK, Australia, etc), the network spreads far and wide and fast if you have a "good one". And it's all validation that you were a good parent. That the 20-30 years of blood, sweat, and tears that you spent raising this person was worth it, and it's not just you who sees it in your child, but literally a worldwide community of people see it too.
The opposite is equally heartbreaking and humiliating. Seeing a child flounder breaks any parent's heart and gives rise to recriminations about what they did wrong. Now imagine that same worldwide community sees it as well, and judges you for it. Just like the parent who's celebrated for raising a "good kid", you see their quiet condemnation of you for raising a "bad kid".
And that's what this daughter wants to put her parents through. It's 1000x worse than any rejection faced by a single individual on tinder. That rejection can sting, but at least it's just a stranger you'll never see again. This is a community, the one thing that allowed them to survive when they first came to America and didn't know a single soul, didn't have a job, and didn't even know how a cash machine worked. And she wants them to burn it down, humiliate themselves in front of people they can't just unfriend on facebook because that's easier on her than her doing it herself. And truth is, her parents probably would do all that, if they thought there was a chance in hell that they might actually find someone, and rescue their daughter one more time. But they know it's futile.
The OP indicates they've had these difficult discussions with their daughter. But I'm not so sure. There's a big difference between saying "I'm not doing this because it's futile; there are no guys in our network that would want to marry you." vs "I'm not doing this because you need to fix your fuckups yourself." The first implies the responsibility is still with them, and they're failing at it ("you need to try harder! Ask around more! Don't you have better contacts?!").
Only the second is the shock they need to deliver to their daughter. That she is an adult, she needs to take responsibility to fix her own fuckups, and that if she's not able to, which will also happen -- some fuckups are too big to fix -- then she needs to learn how to live with the consequences. And if she refuses to accept it, they need to drop the ultimate truth bomb that Kevin Samuels used to drop: "Look at your baby boy. When he grows up, would you want him marrying a single mother with no prospects, and raise a child that's not his? As his mother, if he brought such a woman home, would you tell him 'Yes, marry that woman! That's the best woman you can get!'?" She'll probably be speechless for a long while, and you'll probably see her soul shatter in her eyes, and it will be painful to see as a parent. But without that shock, she'll never develop the caution and logical reasoning she needs to avoid fucking up in the future, and they'll spend the rest of their lives continuing to bail out their daughter from increasingly bigger and bigger fuckups.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 4mo ago
@ogrilla99,
Very well written. This brought something out of you and I would like to see this converted into a post in WATGMA on such Indian women (because this scenario is not very familiar with manosphere all that much), similar to @kevin32's post The life story of Carol. When you get to it, it will be sidebarred in both subs.
cc: @typo-magashiv.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4mo ago
the WAATGM sidebar is full, remember? There was a conversation you, me, and mainly Kevin had about that quite some time ago. If anything, Kevin was looking to eliminate some things, and you and I both told him "The Life Story of Carol" should not be eliminated, and if anything, should be near the top.
I think the WATGMA sidebar still has some space.
CC: @Kevin32, @ogrilla99
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 4mo ago
In old reddit. If I remember it right, we just linked to the new reddit and went our way since it has more characters. We might get to cleaning up the sidebar at some point, especially in WATGMA, but we should have space.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4mo ago
I wish I'd seen this sooner, and stickied it sooner.
Some of my closest friends in
college, er, excuse me, university were Indian. I got close with some of their families, too. Everything is pretty much as you describe, though they seemed quite welcoming to the white people who married into the family (after lots of vetting and obligatory "can't you find a nice Indian girl/guy?").Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 4mo ago
I read this with great interest. I, too, thought that the parent was being extremely generous and charitable with his description of the situation. Tyrone went off to Miami and vanished. I wanted to laugh, but I shouldn't.
This daughter clearly wasn't living in reality. She thought she could have a kid out of wedlock and, when convenient, someone "with a good job" would show-up and sweep her off her feet? That kind of chutzpah never fails to floor me, even though I've heard tell more times than I can count.
The fact that such a delusion can even exist in a woman's head needs to die, and die HARD.
DextroShade 4mo ago
She wanted to be a modern woman and still get traditional woman benefits but she is finding out it doesn't work that way. I couldn't even imagine how embarrassing it would be for her parents to go to other traditional Indian families and ask them if they would want their son to marry a baby momma with a mixed-race kid that they couldn't even attempt to pass off as the husband's. I'm not Indian and I would be insulted if someone suggested that for my son.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 4mo ago
Maybe she could've pitched that idea to Tyrone before she rode his cock.
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Adult Sex has Adult consequences. Teenagers are horny and these things do happen. Now she continues to make bad mistakes, wanting to work and live independently while expecting a man to walk into her life simply to make things easier for her. She should be thankful for her supportive parents and move back in with them, keep her job, and to contribute to their household while her father assumes the role of father figure. She can work on improving her income and material worth, then when it’s time for her kid to go off to college try dating some older men who would see her income as an asset. If she doesn’t like that well, too bad. Life ain’t a Bollywood movie where her prince will come along and play daddy. If this isnt a troll post, and I think it might be because if she is a second generation immigrant, she damn well knows her culture and her chances of getting an arranged marriage after what she did is virtually nil.
I can only imagine the advice this cigarette and gasoline merchant is receiving on that site. Many people who come here from Asian countries like South Korea, China, Vietnam, and India think they'll be living in a cushy 1960s style suburb. Morons think they'll be living in the Andy Griffith Show but instead it's The Wire. At least the younger generation of men are becoming very aware of the single mother question. It's for the better; social shaming and rejection is a strong incentive to not make poor decisions. If it's not kept in check woman will eventually think they're entitled to buy sperm from Olympic level athletes and find some cuck to raise the Chad kid. This would singlehandedly collapse civilization.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
It's interesting that the dystopian world of western post-modern feminism didn't produce what they secretly were aiming for: Most beta males as sub-human drones paying into the tax system while the women all buy sperm from "Olympic level athletes" or Nobel prize winners creating a sort of Beehive. Instead, it's more like Idiocracy where the bourgeois women produce offspring almost as low as the prole classes. It's like a toilet flushing.
Kudos to the parents for suggesting to the daughter to get an abortion. That would have worked and her life could have gone on. Their only flaw was they didn't put their foot down: abort, adopt, or get out. It appears that she took advantage of their unconditional love and this is why she didn't respond to their suggestions.
SwarmShawarma 4mo ago
Just because there is a chance man ill have to pay alimony.
If state would propose to take care of the single mother 1200% even when the father is known and wealthy, then you'd see it. We already know that women do not care about limiting their sexuality much. Remove the limit for men and watch the world burn.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
I think the feminists got greedy and instead of going full socialist and calling for a welfare state that rewarded women while enslaving men, they worried some of the childless women might get snared. So some of them argued "I'm not going to pay taxes for some deadbeat dad's children". Kind of funny in that they didn't think of women on welfare as deadbeats.
So ironically, the left wound up shilling for a (classical) fascist economic system of corporations importing cheap labor and men began going MGTOW even 30 years ago in a limited sense: The smarter men learned and stopped knocking the women up and the men increasingly were real "deadbeats" and went to prison on the taxpayer dime.
Yes, women can go on welfare but largely it's a boon only for those from 3rd world nations who lived in squalor their whole lives but had to work for the privilege so now they live in squalor for free.
MovinCruisin 4mo ago
They just let her keep digging. That all people are gifted with free will is in truth a detriment to some. The worst part is that it affects other people, too. If you gotta get knocked up and are anti-abortion, then why not stick to guys that wanna stay around? Is that so hard? Poor kid.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
I'm happy to answer that.
You see, the kind of men (especially black men) who are likely to stick around are also booooooring and don't give these women the tingles.
As a black man™, I've noticed a direct correlation between how responsible a man is with his reproduction and how likely he is to stay around. Unfortunately, the men who are responsible, good dads are also the ones that aren't recklessly reproducing due to a lack of opportunities and an abundance of responsibility.
In this specific example, this woman didn't choose Jake, the 3rd year engineering student. That would have made too much fucking sense. She chose Tyrone, the guy who didn't graduate high school. Which one of those two men are more likely to be responsible dads?
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
But surely her vagina, that is like every other woman's vagina, is somehow made of magical gold and will get that hawt guy that has a bunch of other women with identical vaginas spreading their legs for him too, to settle down.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
She doesn't want men that will treat her well.
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/191513
No-Stress-Cat 4mo ago
Apparently, the "soft approach" hasn't worked, so Dad needs to "Dad Up" and tell her straight out: Indian families aren't interested to invest in a single mother with a half-black kid. I see this as more of a failure on his part to raise his daughter properly instead of letting her turn into a raging Americanized slut. Now he gets to deal with not only the consequences of her actions, but his own ineptitude of proper parenting as well.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
I’d beg to differ. This is a common issue amongst immigrants. They absolutely Stan for education and want their children to acquire as much education as humanly possible. What they often don’t realize, until it’s too late, is that our college campuses are dens of progressivism, hedonism and degeneracy.
So it’s possible he raised her fine. His failure is possibly understanding how the modern educational industrial complex is often a net negative for its consumers.
MovinCruisin 4mo ago
I agree with this. As a parent, you do have responsibility, BUT some things are simply out of your control. Like, even if you were a control freak, that would only fuck up your child, too. At some point children come into an age where they have to make decisions for themselves and are shaped by their surroundings beyond the household. Good parenting is a strong anchor, but not nearly all that shapes what an adult will become of a child.
You talk about stanning for education; my immigrant mother suggested I go to university - she clearly wanted it. So I entered uni this year and it's actually insane how political campus is. There are literally posters saying "join the communists!" I'm 24 so I'm able to shake my head at this but a dude I know from middle school is at the same uni and entered fresh out of school at like 18,19 and is a full-blown activist. While I worked and got my GED he spent the last ~6 years, turning into a commie.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
And we’re really running out of jobs for communists in this country. There’s only so many elected offices for them to run for on city councils. The 1% will have cushy lives as control freaks, the rest will suffer until they either come to the realization that their life is a scam, or find some way to infiltrate private employment.
No-Stress-Cat 4mo ago
I would be inclined to agree with you, however, this appears to be a problem with this family and this family alone. Doesn't seem to be an issue with anyone else inside their family/social circle, as the other families within the community outright reject their daughter. It would seem the other families send their children to "proper" schools (I presume that are reputable among the community) where they seem to retain their cultural morals and values. Except for this particular one girl (the OP didn't make any mention of any deviants within any of the other families, so I'm assuming this to be the case).
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
It’s true, but ultimately, they’re dealing with an adult and adults will make their own decisions. Kids raised under the same household and the same rules can have vastly different outcomes, so it’s unsurprising that one of the kids in their community chose degeneracy.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
It's my contention that's the problem. Well, sort of. By "education", most people including conservative parents in the states think of academics to acquire degrees and social status. Or they send their children to religious schools and learn scripture, which is ok, but it's my contention that we're on the forefront of "RP" social education which reminds me of what "finishing schools" were supposed to confer to young women: foundations of morality and social graces and strategy.
This young woman clearly didn't have a plan in life before she left her parents' home. I regularly have conversations with my daughter, even at the age of 7, about what life is like in terms she can relate to. The tragedy of this era is how many women reach their 30's without any idea of how they got into the situation they're in. In a recent post about a 38 year old inspin whose angry at her matchmaker for suggesting "journaling", I think that's a great idea for nearly anyone. Going through a journal helps to reflect on our mental outlook we had prior to a realization a year later.
My point being that many young people today are essentially "uneducated" on social graces, conscious life planning, and personal responsibility. They're essentially overgrown tweens. For men, we refer to it as "blue pill" whether it's trash-culture social programming or simply being naive about human nature and learning "the hard way". As my grandmother put it: education is about learning the lesson before the test, because that's how you'll do better.
I'm largely self taught on these topics because, well, that's the best available now for the most part. The problem is that any of this "education" out there is merely woke political indoctrination that serves the interests of the state or almost as bad, self-interested corporations.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 4mo ago
It is the story of many parents who were blind to the cultural forces that surrounded them, and not just those who are immigrants. They know of their own ways for how to raise their children, and operate with the expectations that their values will be retained by their own children regardless of any external circumstances. But it is a huge mistake to think that your children will not be influenced by the world around them, especially if you are moving to a part of the world where you are a cultural minority.
Perhaps the idea that it is not the parents fault may have had some validity when there were a lot more unknowns, but this is far less a valid excuse when we have clear examples available to see exactly what happens when you live in a place where the culture is in direct contradiction to your own values. If you are going to be a parent in this day and age, you need to do better to prepare for these issues. Pleading ignorance cannot remain the status quo.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Can’t put the genie back in the bottle. I have criticisms of the parents as well, for thinking that they could abort the poor kid in order to preserve the reputation of her daughter and the family.
But given the current state of affairs, they’re 100% right for rejecting their daughter’s push to find an arranged marriage. Arranged marriage is essentially an alliance between two families, and absolutely no one who loves their son is going to sign him up to take care of another man’s child. It’s made even worse by the obvious lack of genetic similarity between the child and Indian men, which would show a clear indication that they are a stepfather.
Not to mention the fact that she’s asking for an arranged marriage as an “educated” woman signals that she’s having 0 hope in the real world. She’d rather be subjecting to the whims of her “conservative” parents versus “finding her person” (or whatever the gender neutral phrase used by “intellectuals” is)
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Literally fucking around and finding out.
The funny part is that she didn't pick a good man (regardless of race). She knew that this guy was a fucking loser and even lied to her parents to cover for it.
But she had to chase her tingles.
nicknack 4mo ago
This is why I support making abortion illegal. It prevents these lying skanks from hiding their true self’s. Back in the day women who opened their legs for the bums had to live forever with the consequences
Arcturus 4mo ago
Kids being raised by single mothers who lack in impulse control and rationality is bad for society. A woman like that is not going to do well at caring for themselves, let alone an extra person, so now you have to pay for it through your taxes. You could cut social programs, but then the kid suffers and is likely to turn out even more feral.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
I'd be for making abortion illegal if such a social policy worked as expected, but in this modern age that's unlikely. Back in the 1940's, women's options were limited but on the other hand, our society was more resilient. For example, wages were higher and more egalitarian, the cost of living was lower (housing, education, healthcare). Today, women don't work because they're independent boss babes but increasingly because they must, like us men. Their original goal of feminism was that women would earn more money to be independent and blow at the shopping mall and men would pay all the bills. Between 1970 and 1990, that was largely the case. The Boomers had a big party and we're all cleaning up the mess.
But yeah, if a woman got knocked up she had problems and would generally give up the child for adoption. I dated an early boomer woman who did just that and she lived emotionally with the aftermath, but it was best for her. Banging Chad meant risking becoming a single mother on her own with few options and no affirmative action quota job bailouts.
Heck, even with abortion women are still winding up as single mothers like this one and suffering the consequences and they refuse to learn.
EurasianChad 4mo ago
I'm curious to know what the comments on that thread are. If that's reddit, I wouldn't be surprised if there are people calling the parents the A-holes.
Woman has made her bed and now has to sleep in it. But women and accountability do not go hand in hand it seems.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 4mo ago
It's a weird question to ask. The man asking the question knows that what his daughter wants is unobtainable, and that there are significant penalties that go with trying to pass off his 304 daughter to a HVM. Different "courting" systems have different rules, and a woman with a biracial bastard has disqualified herself in that one. She might as well be asking for moon rocks... that are being guarded by sharks with lasers. Why should the father wonder if he's the bad guy for telling her he can't get her a bag full of moon rocks?
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
women and accountability are foreign lands.
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
The replies on that reedit sub were surprisingly based and Red Pilled. Your guess is as good as mine as to why the blue haired, SJW, man hating, feminist types were not commenting; my guess is because this was about the culture of "People of Color," and they didnt want to be called racist or ignorant of POC culture. Anyway a huge majority of comments mirrored the quote above. Of course there was a lot of apology and hang-wringing but basically that there is NO WAY a traditional Indian man would wife up a single mother of a bi-racial child. Not only would he be averse to the idea, you have to factor in his family and their revulsion, especially from his mother. As a matter of fact, they said just by the Dad even asking around, he is making his family look pathetic and worse.
The majority of solutions that were presented were:
Therapy. Of course this is Reedit and therapy is their answer to everything. But therapy for the daughter to stop being delusional and to get a grip on the reality of her situation and accept the hard truths.
They also said that Indian Dating Sites (and they gave links) are a no go since all those Indian men will just see her as an easy lay. Like I said, the advice were surprisingly hard truths.
NotaBene Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Dad is an Indian Boomer. Not surprised.
I know a ton of Indian guys because they move to my area to take the tech jobs and send all the money back home to support their entire village. I don't blame the Indians, I blame the companies and government. But that's another story.
I'm friends with several of these guys, very nice guys, but NONE of them wear the pants in their house. The Indian women are small, ruthless, angry, and demanding. In private conversation with some of the husbands the general attitude is, "well, that's the way it is, we just put up with it." Kind of clueless fathers, typical Boomer ignorance and focus on education as the solution for everything.
The girls are raised differently too, they smack the boys around but treat the girls like princesses. Very feminist culture, different than US but not better.
No-Stress-Cat 4mo ago
There is a difference between a matriarchal culture and a feminist culture. I guarantee you those mothers would be whipping some ass with a stick if their daughters were dancing around with them Daisy Dukes on.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
They are the asshole for raising a child that is completely spoiled and out of touch with reality. It's clear that not once has she seriously considered the wants and motivations of anyone outside of herself. Which is how she ended up with a bastard child and a futile insistence on browbeating her parents into roping in a tradcon provider that has no reason to show up to be the star attraction at her Cuck and Pony show.
Any man that has the ability to make her life better at this point also has the ability to get a woman that does not come with her bundle of bullshit. The best thing she could do now is to realize that, and that the consequences of her choices means that top tier men are effectively forever out of her grasp and that she needs to readjust her expectations of life and men accordingly.
But that would mean killing her ego, so of course she won't.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 4mo ago
It seems that is an inaccurate statement, given her current circumstances. Sure, she can get good grades and make it into University, but is that still an accomplishment these days? High school has only gotten easier, as has college. Getting accepted into a University is really not that big of an achievement, given how the whole higher education industry is about making money in the end, and having more students means more money, regardless of how smart they are.
Contrast that with her judgement in the guy who fathered her child. Do her decisions show that she is "exceptionally bright?" I would think not. One important aspect of intelligence is taking strong considerations of long term consequences with your choices. Having a child out of wedlock does not indicate someone who is capable of making good decisions.
And while I am not Indian, I would have already guessed that the daughter was by no means following the traditional path of life with her previous choices. And it turns out I was correct, given the poster's words later on. Her continuing to insist that her parents help her find a husband who also has an Indian background tells us that she has no respect for any of the men she is hoping to marry. If she really cared about tradition, she would not have been sleeping around with any other men (regardless of race) and instead waited on any sex until she was married. But no, she thinks she can just hop back on the traditional train in spite of the fact that she got knocked up by some other guy and is mad at her parents for not wanting to continue a futile mission of finding an Indian man who would be willing to marry her.
Not only is the daughter not all that bright, but she is delusional as well. It is of no surprise that no other Indian family wants to arrange any marriage with a woman so blatantly untraditional as her.
No-Stress-Cat 4mo ago
Sometimes I wonder if I graduated Cum Laude because I was too smart or if they dumbed the classes down because the other students were too stupid.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
Like I commented in another post:
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 4mo ago
Which we all know she doesn't. She doesn't even want the marriage itself; all she wants is someone to share the burden of raising a bastard. The only reason she's asking her father to find her a good and providing husband is because she cannot do it herself. Well, she probably could, but that would take effort and he may not be all that, so she's betting that her father's connections can go further. And after who knows how many years getting brainwashed by liberal propaganda, she cannot see why she wouldn't be as good as (or maybe even better than) a younger and virginal bride-to-be.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
What she needs to realize is that a childless prostitute is in a better marriage market position than she is. At least the childless prostitute would not be asking a man to accept a form of retroactive cuckholdry that doesn't even allow him a plausible option of pretending the kid is his.
But that would take introspection and humility. And as stupid and selfish as she's been so far, we all know that isn't happening.
Her situation is literally an object example of why patriarchal cultures tend to restrict extramarital sex. Because there will be women that will refuse to grasp that fucking around with deadbeats is a bad idea.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4mo ago
Unless they experience actual consequences, then from their perspective it's a great idea.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
I know what she should do - go straight onto female dating strategy on that other platform!
They have loads of useful advice. For example;
Module 3.4 How to raise your prices now that your product is worse.
Module 2 Listing your demands: make sure your demands are extensive and comprehensive. That's how you get a man!
Module 5 Beauty Treatments for OLD A 'how to' on 'radical renovations' for your face - new eyebrows, botox, fillers, face piercings, huge eyebrows, tooth whitening, etc etc. What men really want is that 'wax work' look. Don't forget 'duck lips'.
nicknack 4mo ago
370 comments on that site; some on here. And how is nobody stating the obvious here?
She shouldn’t be asking for sons anymore, she should be asking for the parents themselves. There are plenty of successful 50-80 year old Indian men who would love to get their hands on a 20 year old smooth body even if it comes with a halfing in tow. They will pay the baby sitters and daycare to keep it away as much as possible.
No-Stress-Cat 4mo ago
LMAO "GET THAT THING AWAY FROM ME!!!" $$$$$
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Indian culture doesn't like sloots.
She's basically fucked, but not in the way that got her in this mess to begin with.
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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 4mo ago
You're a troll but in case others read your tripe, let me make it clear that the biggest issue here is the fact that she had a child out of wedlock. To give a sense of how Indians looking for an arranged marriage view other partners, realize that: never married >>>> divorced no kids >> divorced with kids >>>>>>> kids out of wedlock The thinking is that if you at least got married, had kids, and it didn't work out, there's a chance (depending on the individual circumstances) that you still believe in and respect marriage. If you have kids out of wedlock that shows a fundamental disrespect or disregard for marriage that eliminates you from being marriage material.
Now, within those categories, there are subdivisions between races but even there, single race Indian kid is far preferred over any race. So within one of the above categories, it goes: full indian kid >>>>>> mixed indian / white kid > mixed indian / black kid. I don't know where other races go because frankly, once they're not fully indian the distinctions are so small as to be inconsequential.
And the preference for non-mixed kids is because, again, it shows what your true preferences are. If you were married to a white person, it was 100% a love marriage (no Indian family is going to push or arrange a marriage for their child to a non-Indian; at best they'll accept your decision to do so). Which means deep down, your racial preference is white. You likely had access to tons of Indians (whether arranged or non-arranged), and that would have been the easy path. You had to fight to marry a non-Indian, going against the grain. Which shows to what extent you prefer say a white (or black, or latin) person compared to an Indian. That's fine, but now you're looking to marry an Indian? You'll excuse me if I doubt your motives or you ability to truly love me for the long term.
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