Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1y ago Stickied
His next question should have been "That's great, so what do you ladies offer in return?" And third question -- if they're not already dumbfounded by the concept that such a guy might have his own requirements in return -- is "And how many girls you think are out there able to offer the same deal but are younger or hotter?"
I mean, there are guys making a half mil and more (sometimes much more). And most of them do get married. But do any of these girls meet their criteria? Do they even have any idea what those criteria might be? Unlikely.
Just about the only thing these women might think is that a guy that rich wants a hot wife. But believe it or not, that's usually not the most important thing. Sure, there's a baseline level of beauty you're expected to have so that the guy finds you desirable, but you don't need to be supermodel-level hot to snag such a guy for marriage. This is for a couple of reasons.
First, single guys making this kind of money are older, because you generally won't be earning that kind of income right out of college. They're a little bit smarter, and they've also had a chance to sow their oats with enough hotties that mere physical looks is no longer the be all and end all of what they want.
Second (and Kevin Samuels used to talk about this), if you're talking high six-figure and seven-figure guys, they expect their wife to be okay with them having affairs. Not all of them cheat, but the ones for whom a constant stream of young, hot tail is a requirement, can and will find a woman okay with that arrangement.
And third, (to quote St. Samuels again) guys at this income level are first and foremost looking to build a legacy. That means a woman who'll raise their children the right way, can fit into the social circles he expects to be in, etc. This is more important than her looks.
And finally, at that level, like marries like. That means a guy making a million dollars usually marries a woman making at least a few 100k. Not because he needs the money she brings (she often will quit her job once the kids come along), but because he wants a woman who is smart enough and hard working enough to get to that level, and who can therefore at least understand his life (probably working his ass off since high school, insane demands from work, tons of delayed gratification while he invested in his career, etc) and be somewhat of an equal partner in it. Marrying a secretary who idolizes you can be gratifying to your ego, but if she has no idea what you go through on a daily basis, it can get lonely quick.
So anyway, it's fine to want to date a millionaire, just like it's fine to aim to date a supermodel. But want and actually doing the work to fulfill that desire are two entirely different things. It's easy to make demands. It's another matter to get someone to willingly give you what you demand from them.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
I want to point out that it is far less about the income she has and more about her family and socioeconomic background. Does she come from an old money family that both offers valuable social connections and will disown her in a heartbeat should she misbehaves and wreck a marriage? Do the women in her family demonstrate a pattern of knowing how to be a decent wife?
Then she's potentially a prime marriage candidate.
Now, if she makes that level of money, but is an absolute battleaxe that you have to engage in constant dominance games with and an opportunistic social climber with nothing holding her back from reneging on a marriage contract the second she thinks she can do better? Does her mother go through husbands like kleenex?
Then avoid at all costs even though she makes the earnings cutoff.
AsianDude 1y ago
My family has exposure to a social circle with millionaire families. I think the family background and connections are far more valuable than anything an early to late 20 y.o. man or woman could typically bring. Usually the family would also sponsor their children to prestigious schools and help them get jobs at well known companies etc. to improve their image. When I was single, other parents would approach my parents to sound them out for their daughters. There were also plenty of latch-on women who would attend the events as 'friends' in an attempt to hook a 'rich guy'.
When I attended these social events up to my mid-30s, college girls as young as 19 (not from these well off families) would come up to me and tell me that they didn't mind a large age gap. Girls would also come in groups to chat me up. Sometimes, right in front of my parents or the moment my girlfriend went to chat with her friends. My mom would get worried and find some excuse to drag me away and tell me not to waste my time with these girls.
In contrast, women from these families would expect me to court them with expensive dinners, fun dates etc. Some women as old as mid-30s, even with little personal accomplishments, were still playing the "I won't chat with you first" game. These were the major debt traps, women who had enjoyed their 20s in luxury, traveled the world for fun, and now expecting a husband to pick up the bills. At least there were no single mothers and they all came with a 7-digit inheritance.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
Yes. After a certain level, status plays a big factor and these women do not usually factor in.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
On the topic of like marrying like, that’s something that a lot of people, men and women, haven’t fully grasped. But it’s 100% true. Socioeconomic classes rarely mix w/r/t marriage. Maybe you end up with someone a little above or below, but you won’t see the son of a surgeon marrying the daughter of a felon very often. Generally speaking, that son will be exposed to an upper class of people, and he’ll want to pick from there.
Even passport bros, you’d see that most of the guys with a college degree will trend towards foreign women with a college degree.
Essentially, as a guy, we want someone who we aren’t going to have to infantilize or do battle with. We want someone who has been given similar values.
So while I’ll often drag girls for their own reckless behavior leading to problems, the fact is that Krystal Lynn from the trailer park was never on the Thaddeus Watson IV radar, and would never be on the radar. Even if she was beautiful, and he got to her before she could pile tattoos onto her skin and other men’s children into her shanty, there would be inevitable moments where she would be embarrassing. Or, he goes and gets a girl who attended the same, pricey, academically selective university that he attended.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago
ogrilla99 There's the old joke that goes if a woman wants to be a general's wife, she should date a ROTC lieutenant. Women's hypergamy of the past was that of a farmer: They'd find a man with potential, observe him, and help build the dynasty. Trying to snag a trophy husband when he's at the pinnacle of his success is about as smart as showing up for a Black Friday doorbuster 5 minutes before the doors open.
I'm chuckling about hometsfalcons12 observation on classism. I don't watch the show, but BigBang's romance between a highly educated engineer and a pretty waitress was amusing to me because I didn't see that happen often. I saw well educated engineer geeks marry unattractive English lit majors all the time (the nickname for the Classical Literature girls was "CLits") I asked out a portly local girl who worked at the creamery (almost like something out of classical literature) and she acted like I was beneath her (well, in terms of weight I was.) It ASTONISHED me she was giving me the cold shoulder when I think that back perhaps 2 generations prior, someone such as her would have grabbed me as a catch and tried to paternity trap me. Girls such as her would prefer a more handsome guy even if he mopped the floors and then get disgusted he wasn't "manning up." Back then, it didn't occur to many of us that women could become "chad chasers" and abandon their more conventional economic hypergamy.
Modern women, including many working in the service industries, all think of themselves as "princesses" and don't want to engage in any seduction of such men even if these guys literally fell in their laps. They have no "game", as we would call it, or feminine wiles or charm really aside from taking advantage of only the most emotionally insecure or horny men (and sadly, there are still a lot of guys out there like that that need to be educated.) My wife's friends moaned they couldn't "find a decent man" but none of them came to me for advice which amused me because I didn't rush to offer it because why help out hypergamous women? But if my wife asked I would have helped them. Hilarious.
I think many men in my age group in the 1980's didn't want to get a SAH housewife type out of fear that we'd get divorce raped for alimony due to her "sacrifice" of us providing for them. The ideal is a woman working in say, accounting or office support/sales and has her own paycheck and can take off and work part-time for a few years as needed to look after kids. One of my personal favorites was a manager at Denny's about 2 weeks in who told me over Sunday brunch that she wanted me to wife her up, she'd "sacrifice" her "career", and I'd buy her big ticket items including a $10,000 diamond wedding ring. I laughed. I later told my WWII era Swiss women friends about it and THEY broke down laughing. Such entitlement. I informed her that I wasn't doing that and she got a psycho look in her eyes and poured whiskey and told me she had bipolar disorder and I ran for the hills. Enough men from my generation, and before, had been sunk by these succubus's before and I wasn't interested.
That's not to say other men didn't take the bait though. A dear well-educated friend of mine knocked up some barfly who worked at Safeway and when they finally broke up, she went nuclear on him and took it out on his daughter whom she messed up mentally as revenge. There are guys I know who did marry poorly educated, but likable women who were not hypergamous. My wife LOATHES such women because she considers them lazy even as I think they're rather likable in that such women aren't necessarily destructive. They just like having kids and cleaning house.
PoopBeast Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I think if this board ever had to be renamed for some reason, it cold be renamed to "IAmTheTable".
liftheavystuff 1y ago
Unfortunately this really isn't that unrealistic.
100k really isn't much on the coasts of the United States, and 200k is essentially poverty level in some areas.
I make mid 6 figures and the house i own (which is nice but not insane) is untouchable for someone making 100k.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago
You may have fallen ass-backwards into that kind of money, but many of us took years of busting our asses to get there.
These women are expecting dudes who are just starting out to have that kind of income, and that is not realistic.
For the first 15 years of our marriage, my wife and I combined didn't crack 6 figures. I've managed to get above that with my income alone in the last 3 years, but I'm in my early 40s.
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Removed due to how specific that was.
I finished my apprenticeship a few years ago.
liftheavystuff 1y ago
Didn't fall backwards into anything.
Many years of dedication and sacrifice brother.
Anyone can do it.
I know people who didnt graduate high school who are now multi mlionaires, and it wasn't daddy's money.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
Sure. This can be possible for a 30 year old man, but these women are not worth that. You will find better prospects.
liftheavystuff 1y ago
Maybe they are maybe they aren't i dunno. Date someone younger. They wont make your money but can add to your life in ither ways.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Yeah, like I don’t fault women for wanting a guy who makes a lot of money (in many areas in America, $1m is a nice but normal home, and financial gurus will say a household income of $333,333 affords that).
But then, women go on their shaming rampage of men who date younger on account of them being “creepy”. All of the “non-physical” stuff they’re attracted to, that’s generally found in an older man.
I’m late 30’s, I work in AI, and I’m one of the most senior technologists at my company. My total comp still isn’t the $300k that a lot of these women say their husband “has” to make. But it’s clearly due to ignorance; they have no idea how small the pool of men that they’re limiting themselves to is.
And btw, if a man can make $300k a year by 30, my guess is he isn’t going to be Chad Thundercock. From experience, I can tell you that the effort one needs to put in to increase salary by the time one is 30 isn’t conducive to peak physical or sexual performance. A whole lot of take out food and gym neglect.
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
Guys who make 6 figures don't give a shit what those kind of women say, they're not picking them skanks anyway, not even for a pump & dump.
AsianDude 1y ago
The more important question would be, how much disposable income (after tax and essential expenses) is available? I realize that many women think making $300K = have $300K a year to spend.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Someone skilled at taxes and married can probably manage to only yeet around a third of it to tax and retirement. Let’s be safe and say $198k for simple math ($16k/mo).
Well, she’ll want that big home, which can easily yeet half of the money right there. New luxury car? You’re down to $5k a month and we haven’t even begun to discuss other expenses.
AsianDude 1y ago
Don't forget the property tax, school zone tax, money to raise kids (which may not be yours), and sales and service taxes from all that shopping and fine dining. Soon she'll realize that $300K is paltry and she now needs a stepping stone to a $600K man.
liftheavystuff 1y ago
Meh. Maybe.
I make over 300k and am in good physical shape with moderately high SMV.
I know people who make the same and are ripped.
As an aside, if you want a younger woman, you'll probably have to accept that she won't be anything near your financial equal
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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
Read Rule 1: No shaming men for any reason.
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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
Before you comment any further, you should familiarize yourself with the sidebar. You are one comment away from being banned from this tribe.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1y ago
He warned you.
Out you go.
ObliviousDuck Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
127? That's odly specific. It feels like she's rationalizing rejecting that nice-guy who only made 125 while justifying fucking Chad who made 130.
Justanaverageguy 1y ago
Chad can make $30k and she will still fuck him.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1y ago
Chad can be living at parents basement on welfare and if he doesn't disclose it could probably still hit it
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Chad can make zero, rob her purse, and she will still suck him off in the bathroom of da club.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 1y ago
I want to know what these women make.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
They make drama and debt. Interested? Apply online.
liftheavystuff 1y ago
They make 70k or less in a vanilla w2 job and are a slave to their male boss. This is why you don't same age date.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1y ago
Did that one chick pull this number out of her ass? Why is it so arbitrary and oddly specific? Even if it was $125,000 why add the quarter million value in there? It's just so randomly quantified
If you notice virtually every woman is uncertain about how much a desired partner needs to make. Why? It's because they don't actually know what expenditures are needed to have the preferred life they want. They are asked a rather hypothetical but direct question but actually have no idea how much money is required to live their preferred lifestyle
Even when confronted with that question pertaining to ANOTHER PERSON'S INCOME (translation = free ride) they are uncertain of what costs what and how to manage income.
How much would my preferred house cost? How much would my preferred traveling cost? How much would he need to make for us to retire? How much leftover income could
my manwe afford to spend to make other financially profitable investments?These women have no idea how much anything costs. Therefore their perceptions of what he needs to make are based on vain salary and trope-grade hypergamous expectations rather than actual reality or what would be satisfactory to their lifestyle and reasonably hypergamous partner preferences
Further, none of these women probably understand what these men would be looking for anyway, thus making their expectations all the more ridiculous
IceNineWithLime 1y ago
"You have to manifest a husband, girl."
What the hell is this? How's that "manifesting" going?
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Easy to explain.
The hive-mind will always focus on the highest number, regardless of how achievable it is because "You gotta get your bag, girl". Combined with how women simply have to exist, and then get offered shit 24/7, (life-on-easy-mode) the whole thing turns into a shopping trip, with exceptions made for that guy she just can't resist. (Drug dealer, bad boy, anything that gets her wet.)
Its worse when she actually makes good money, because a man HAS to be making more. (See "hoe_math" youtube channel for the breakdown, he does a good job of it.)
I'm not going to get into how easy/hard it is to make a given amount. Some have luck, while most grind it out. Standard scenario.
The real focus of my ire is how these bitches think that their magic 6--to-higher-digit numbers are just something that everyone does. Its pretty obvious from a cursory glance at distribution of incomes that it does not.
In the end, I don't mind they have unrealistic standards, because I have zero problem with the whole lot of them aging out and not reproducing.
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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 1y ago
Press X to doubt.
Between the makeup, shaped eyebrows and accessories the first one in particular had my "high maintenance" senses screaming for mercy.
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NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Women don't think about money the same way as men do. I don't think the women in the video have a clue what "average" or "median" means, or why that should inform their expectations. They're just pulling a number out of thin air. $127,000 lol. Is that before or after taxes? They are just trying to come up with a big enough number that makes them look valuable, while also small enough that they don't look greedy. It has nothing to do with practical provision.
Women are stupid bad at investing, financial planning, economic calculations, budgeting, and saving. The best a woman can do is find a man that has these instincts (most of us do) and learn to trust him. She can make herself indispensable to him in many ways so that he wants nothing more than to share the rewards of his labor with her. Both benefit.
But if you make demands without bringing anything to the table, you get NOTHING, GOOD DAY SIR.
I'm starting to honestly think that never telling a woman how much you make is a good policy. Even your wife. All she needs to know is "Can I buy this thing I want," or "How much can I spend on groceries?" Anything else is just going to make her worry and compare. An exceptionally level-headed woman could be consulted for advice, most should be kept in the dark. If you play it right, could be a bottomless source of both dread game and mystery, inspiring loyalty for years.
My MIL has been married over 60 years, and has never known her husband's salary or how much the family has in savings/investments. She's never gone hungry and has learned to live one day at at time, not worrying about money. She has always had everything she needs and much of what she wants. She has no complaints.
voskresenie 1y ago
I live reasonably frugally (relative to societal expectations) given my TC (somewhere in the 250-300 range, depending on company stock perf. Had a lucky year where I made 450k) and every woman I've dated has been astounded when they find out how much I make. "You live in a 350k house when you make 300k a year? Whyyyy?" They're dumbfounded.
I consider my lifestyle exorbitant for my salary, but they're used to guys who make less than 100k who buy more expensive clothes than me, drive a 'nicer' car than me (certainly not actually nicer, just flashier). If money can bring joy at all (rather than security), it's through the look on these women's faces when they find out I'm not as poor as I apparently seem.
But I've always regretted sharing it, in some sense—that brief high is not worth the aftermath, which is inevitably entitlement. Gifts they loved and previously considered 'thoughtful' became 'cheap'. A woman I dated loved smoked salmon, and I spent weeks perfecting the process in my backyard to give her some—never revealing just how much effort I put into it—and she was so excited and happy when she got it and loved it. But in light of the knowledge of my financial situation, it was just 'all right'. Salmon is a nice gift from a poor guy who can't afford better, but not from a rich guy. Another woman had lost a hair clip at my apartment and asked for it back, saying how difficult it is to find that particular size anymore. So what did I do? I spent hours searching through 40 pages of Amazon results and ordered upwards of 20 different visually similar clips (since none of them included dimensions of the clip) and compared dimensions, returning the ones that didn't match (all but three). There's nothing I hate more than handling online returns, but again, I never told her how much effort had gone into it. She just said 'thank you' and never mentioned it again. Other than gifts, I could never try to buy a cheaper option at the store, even if just for myself, without getting some 'you can afford it' comment—on a literal level true, but in principle, there is no man in the entire world rich enough to afford a product that costs 50% more but is no better than the cheaper option.
However, in spite of these negative consequences, with a woman I'd consider marrying, I think it's still smart to tell them a year or so into the relationship, if you trust yourself to make difficult but necessary choices. Women reveal so much about themselves once they know how much you make—things you're better off finding out before you tie yourself to her legally and financially. It's like 'red flags', (some of) which can actually be, unintuitively, good in a relationship, since they create conflict early on. There's always going to be conflict eventually in a relationship, so finding out within 6 months how she handles it (and how you handle it with her) is preferable to finding out after 6 years when your 'ideal' conflictless relationship starts to have problems. Avoiding situations like this, as many men try to do, is good if you insist on marrying a trashy woman and need to keep her proclivities in check, but if you want to weed out the bad ones (and are ok with the possibility that there's nothing left once you do), these types of things can help you find a decent woman and save a lot of headache down the road.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
I think the only way to be completely sure that a woman loves you for who you are, and not for your salary, is to either 1) never tell her anything about finances, or 2) be/act poor and see how she handles it.
I've been under, or quite close to, the poverty level in income for my entire marriage, over 20 years. I'm fairly sure my wife doesn't love me for my money. She has learned to be content with little and is very thankful for anything on top of basic needs.
You may never have that peace of mind, even if you marry a poor woman. As you hinted at, her expectations will quickly rise to meet whatever standard of living she is given. Reminds me of the Eddie Murphy bush woman thing. "What have you done for me lately!?"
It's a temptation to women to rank themselves by their man's income and their standard of living, so they constantly angle for more to impress their friends (and worse, other men). In my case, the winning move is not to let her play that game.
voskresenie 1y ago
I've definitely gone back and forth on this one, and I understand your perspective, but my perspective is that I wouldn't want to be with a woman who would react so poorly to finding out I had money, even if I were able to hide it perfectly. I want someone whose relationship with money is such that they can encounter a lot of it without being overcome by the urge to spend it. So I start with both #1 and #2 above, I don't tell her anything and I act not exactly poor, but definitely not wealthy. Then once I've got a decent handle on whether they actually are into me—not just tolerate me, but obsessed with me—I tell them or at least hint at at, and watch for changes in their behavior.
I did date one such woman, she'd insist on going to places and on vacations she could afford to pay her share of, and she did. never once asked for me to pay her way, and rarely accepted when I'd offer. her parents made a lot of money but were terrible with managing it (ie not spending it) and she was determined to not follow in their footsteps. in that and so many ways, she was incredible, but she also had the worst negative traits of anyone I've ever dated. Maybe I should have stuck with her, hard to say, but it's also neither here nor there.
Apart from theoreticals, the fact also remains that she'll find out about my income eventually — if not specifics, then at least a general idea. If she knows anything about my industry in general, or meets my friends, and isn't absolutely retarded, I'll eventually get a question like, 'Hey, vosk, don't your friends at Google and Facebook and Amazon make like hundreds of thousands a year? Why don't you make that much?' and I'll encounter the money problem — even if she doesn't find out that I make that much at my current company, or that I worked at one of those companies in the past, she'll get the idea in her head that I should apply to one of them, and then I'll be in the same situation if she's money-crazed.
RiverChill41 1y ago
Don't tell anyone how much you make. Men and women will pass value judgements on you if you make substantially more or less than them, which is subjective. In a relationship if she doesn't know specifically how much you make/have then she can't make specific demands or complaints.
FrancoAP 1y ago
These women are laughably out of touch. Unbelievable
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 1y ago
Just what is all this income needed for? The readymade excuse is that the money is needed to raise a family, which does require a large enough living space, cars, and many other expenses. But while kids do cost money, they are not nearly expensive enough that the man needs to make as much money as most of these women are demanding. No, these women want the perks of a more expensive lifestyle. That is the real reason, and the potential children are just an excuse for the materialism of many women.
More income with women such as these will just mean she will demand a bigger, more expensive house in the most expensive neighborhood in the most expensive parts of the country. It will also mean that she will demand a more expensive vehicle. You want her to drive a Ford or a Toyota? Not good enough for these princesses, as they will demand to have a Lincoln or a Lexus. She can't status signal to other women how wealthy she is otherwise. And she will want more expensive vacations too, among every other major expense.
That is what it is really about. A bunch of extravagance that just puts more strain on your expenses without any real benefit. Which is why a woman who understands frugality and practicality is far better than any woman who is a liability due to her expensive desires. A woman who can appreciate budgeting and avoiding wasteful spending is far better a choice than women such as these in the video who will eventually still not be content with how much a man earns years into the marriage.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
These are all very average women.
What they are looking for, what they are demanding, what they think that they 'deserve'....is a 0.05% guy. Don't be fooled by Blue Pilled apologists that state that 80% of women are looking for the 'the top 20%' of men.... The truth is much more severe than that. 100% of women think that they deserve 0.5% of men. And its not working.
'Girl math' is an obvious problem. They seem to look online and think 'most guys are over 6 foot'. Most guys are earning more than 150k. Most guys this and that. That is what they want. They fail to realise that each additional 'red line' that they have is multiplicative not additative.
So if they want a guy that is good looking, over 6 foot, if buff, educated, straight, good at dancing, abs, earns over 100k, single etc. they are looking at 0.5% of the population. Its a 1 in 200 kind of guy. And the question is always;
Ok ...that's great. But are you a 1 in 200 girl?