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lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 11mo ago Stickied
She's right: it does suck. Unfortunately, this is what happens when women dominate the "front end" of the mating market (the meeting and early dating part). Men dominate the "back end" (we determine who gets protection and provision), but you have to get noticed in the first place for anything to happen.
The problem this woman has is that men respond to incentives, and the way women in general have configured the "front end" is into a numbers game where the most efficient way for a man to get results is to come off as a ZFG BadBoi to every women he considers bangable. Just as men have to find some way to stand out from the masses to get his foot in the door, women who want "something serious" have to find some way to stand out from every other woman saying the same thing.
The guys who open with, "Wanna' bang?" and move on when the answer is no are a good deal more honest than the women who say, "I want something real" who pretend to offer genuine desire just long enough to get access to a solid man's resources.
The guy was just giving her an honest appraisal of her RMV: she's recreational-grade for men in the 30-60 age group, and among young guys with a cougar fetish. If she doesn't like that she should invent a time machine, go back to her 20s, and lock down a good man while she can.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 11mo ago
I also want to point out that she is looking for human interactions in a very impersonal meat market. What did she expect? These apps are not designed for such interactions in the first place. It is designed for the lizard brain that just screams yes or eeks out a disgusted no based on nothing but appearance in most cases. You want to have human interactions? You'll have to go out and meet people. Only people who know you can give you that level of consideration. Convenience food and nourishing food are not the same.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
Great minds think alike. I'll add that if she's disappointed in some of the come-ons that men make towards her, imagine being on the men's end and getting... NOTHING. We're invisible and it feels for most of us like the world simply doesn't care about our feelings or needs but rather what it can get from us. She's used to men opening up a chat with her and telling her what she wants to hear and, ironically, what men are told by women that they want to hear "We're gentlemen who will serve you, queen, in exchange for sex treats" doesn't work nowadays and in many ways, that's a good thing because IMO that was an unpleasant way for men to live. In a way, they're doing us a favor by disincentivizing this behavior.
She always has the option to reach out to normal men and ask them out for coffee both OLD and IRL but she won't because then she loses power. If she doesn't like the way men behave, it's not as if she's done anything to change it.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 11mo ago
There's a lengthy piece that surfaces in the manosphere from time to time written by a former incel. The dude went TWELVE YEARS with absolutely nothing. Every time he realized that ZFG dude-bros were getting all the action and started shedding the
gentlemanlydoormat behaviors that women say they want, some chick would tell him to not go that way because it would "ruin" a NiceGuy (tm) like him. Surely it was only a matter of time before some (other) girl recognized what a great catch he was.I gotta' say... I had some dry spells when I was single, but TWELVE YEARS? That's enough to send some guys to the hardware store to buy some rope. Indeed, he came very close to checking himself out. One of the hardest things he had to deal with was reading the story of some super-morbidly obese divorcee (300 pounds) who was chronicling her effortless and prolific journey of sexual discovery.
So very true. If she just found a few guys in her league and asked them out, she would be swimming in men ready to give her everything in their power. I don't know about anyone else here, but my hit - miss ratio wasn't anywhere near 1.000, so certainly a grown woman like her could survive getting a couple of "No thank you'" answers for every 50 successful approaches.
Of course the problem with that is that she doesn't want "normal" men. She wants extraordinary men. A guy like that will reject her, although perhaps after she puts out and finds herself taking a midnight Uber home and never hearing from the guy again.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
It's funny particularly when these women will shame a man by saying "I threatened his fragile masculinity" when these women cave at the prospect of simply asking a man out for a cup of coffee. I had a debate on this 30 years ago online with a woman who said "women aren't allowed to ask men out!" and I found a study that compared cold approaches by men/women towards the opposite sex and women had the same success ratios on campus with cold approaches as men. She was only prohibited by being shamed by her women's clique and her own pride.
I even asked a young woman friend who clearly is going to have problems locking down the kind of man she wants and she said she finds the concept of a woman asking a man out, even an ideal man, to be unacceptable. Even if he probably would accept it.
Loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 11mo ago
Uh huh. Yeah baby. Tell me more...
Let's not forget that women chose this. They're the ones who clamored for sExUaL LiBeRaTiOn.
This is what sexual liberation actually looks like!
Lonely wymyns, drinking cheap wine with their cats and dildos as they cry about how lonely they are.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Chase on the “Whatever” podcast fleshed it out well. The patriarchal structures of years past, which have been eroded, were vital towards protecting a lot of women from ending up this way. Dad knew when a man was only interested in using his daughter as a warm hole, and drove them off.
Now women are “liberated”. The end result is that something that men used to build civilizations for (sex) is now cheap. So of course men don’t need to be as excellent as they were before. In fact, the excellent men who can actually build a civilization are often dismissed as “boring”, in favor of the men that these women complain about in the end. And of course, when box is cheap, there’s a lot less reason to sacrifice things in your future as a man. Because that was the deal with marriage in pre-industrial societies; a woman was basically doomed if she was single after the age of 40. So she would sacrifice her ability to find the “best” deal for her, in exchange for being protected as she gets older.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
Observation about a friend of my wife. A career woman in her 20's continues to go to school and has no plans to settle down. Her family are education and civilized and pleasant, but I find it strange, from what my wife tells me she hears from this woman, that they never at least educated her on basic red pill wisdom in that she's not getting younger and the more success she has, the more she prices herself out of the market. If the hot guys she wants aren't beating a path to her door, how will getting a law degree make her more desirable?
On the other hand, imagine a red pill father with a daughter educating her: "Listen, you are 21 years old and at your prime. You both have to be careful about all the men looking to take advantage of you, but that's because you have value. Value attracts dishonest people as well as honest ones. Now here is all the wisdom, both ancient and modern, about how to maximize your personal assets to land a top quality husband to have a large, healthy family and to lead an empowered life together with him. Life you life with purpose and awareness, now."
It's tragic that so many women in their early to late 20's are not leading "empowered" or aware lives, despite the "woke" label and supposed women's empowerment. They WASTE their 20's as corporate nuns and drones making some jerk rich, or they become slaves to consumption, or become a chad toy. It's like some guy in a trailer park winning the lottery and blowing it because he doesn't know any better.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
This woman probably claims on OLD that she is late 30s, when she is clearly mid 40s. She'll probably also claim that her body weight is at least 15% less than it actually is. If pushed, she would probably understate her body count by a factor of 5.
The interesting thing about all of these facts is ....this tells you that she knows deep down that men don't want old, used up chubby sluts. What she chooses to lie about tells you exactly what she knows to be the truth. In old fashioned detective novels, the detective hero will always try to catch the chief suspect out in a coversation, rather than by using some fancy DNA evidence. They'll lay a convo trap, get the suspect to admit that they know something that only the killer would have known.
The lies people tell reveal the truth.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
One thing to remember: This woman is actually humble bragging. The whole reason why women post things on social media is always and only bragging. So...these 'state of modern dating' complaint videos are only ever posted if the poster believes that it paints her in a good light. Listen closely to what she is saying and you will discern two things
Everything this women posts on SM is always and only for self glorification. That is the point of SM for women.
Remember that.
ComfortableSlow1072 11mo ago
I always laugh when I see these, because although the "wan fuck?" and dickpick-sending messages are definitely a thing, they're still relatively rare in the grand scheme of things for OLD. I've seen women on reddit say they've gotten 10-20 dick picks from Tinder. And like yea, that's kind of a funny amount of dudes throwing crazy hail marys. But these women have hundreds--in many case thousands--of matches on OLD. For every dick pick they get, they've wholesale ignored 100 other candidates. It's how they craft a victim narrative out of a platform where they are anything but a victim. Suddenly that
No-Stress-Cat 11mo ago
Women are the ones who set the standards. Now they're pissing and moaning about being only worth a pump and dump. Ladies, you asked for it, you got it, and there's no take-backs.
Clearview Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Here we have a classic example of woman who is trying to finally secure her good man using online dating. Soon she finds out that the men she wants/deserves do not put any effort into her and go the low effort route to lay their pipe. She is generalizing this behavior to all men and fails to realize that she is not in her 20ties anymore so this behaviour solely depends on her and her low SMV.
nicknack 11mo ago
The only issue I have is that the guys sending her these messages are probably also sending 24 year old Stacy “Hi Stacy, In your third photo is that Venice? I know the most exclusive Italian restaurant in town, I’ll make reservations.”
When they should just be texting 24 year old Stacy the same thing: “what’s up trying come over and smash?”.
This old hag really shouldn’t be getting any attention ideally. But men are desperate.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 11mo ago
The difference between a 24-year-od Stacy and a 38-year-old inspin is that Stacy's RMV is so much higher. Men will EXPEND more effort because it TAKES more effort because she's WORTH more effort.
To use a car analogy: Little Miss Inspin is a banged-up, 10-year-old Kia Optima with a salvage title, and Stacy is a new Mercedes SL. Meanwhile, "Wanna' bang"? is the equivalent of a $200 down payment and a credit score of 450. You might be able to buy the Optima, but you're not even going to test drive the SL.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
I’d say that these days, even the 24 year old needs some conversation and vetting before considering her as a potential fit for relationships. Good chance that she’s gotten her insides rearranged by a lot of men.
nicknack 11mo ago
24 year old Stacy isn’t exactly an SL either. That’s 18 year old Stella. 24 year old Stacy is 100k mileage last generation 5 series. Still a beautiful car to drive around in and can be your daily driver, but you can get one of those with a credit score of 450.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 11mo ago
Did you get any bruises when you tripped over the metaphor?
Justanaverageguy 11mo ago
Or maybe….just maybe….when they DID put in effort (flowers on the first date, constant texting, planning actual dates, etc) they got absolutely nowhere but ghosted, slow faded, rejected, “let’s just be friends” speech or something along those lines. So they adjusted accordingly. Only a crazy person would keep doing what wasn’t working, and men are smart. They see Chad giving minimum effort and getting everything he wants, they want that same deal too.
fskfsk 11mo ago
It's this. If more than 99% of a man's messages get no response, of course they aren't going to put any effort. What kind of retard spends 15 minutes writing a customized message when most of the time it's ignored?
Justanaverageguy 11mo ago
When she was young and had options I bet she would cancel on guys last min and now the rabbit has the gun and it’s not much fun. I know I got tired of women cancelling on me the day of the date an hour or so before we were supposed to meet. Shit got old so now I don’t even ask out women anymore, and I have women asking me out these days and I politely say no thanks. Burnt out with that shit man.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 11mo ago
I've told this story before but it always gets a laugh. When I was in college I was dating a very nice young woman... potentially wife-grade, even. One day she flaked on me when we had a date to spend time with her family (she saw them all the time... it's not like she had to visit her dying grandmother). I ended up taking another girl to the event instead. This was a public event (a dance), the girl I took was a well-known turbo-slut, and she was on my lap with her tongue down my throat in short order. My girlfriend's friends hated my guts, and they made a point to tell her what I was up to. I guess they thought that would cause her to dump me when she got back.
I'll skip over the amusing details and say this: not only did she not dump me, but she never flaked on me again.
nicknack 11mo ago
It’s exactly this. I’ve tried the fun unique messages, the dinner date, you name it. It almost always ends up with being ghosted or put in the beta box where you have to keep spending money and also time generating great communication to chase the dragon you never catch. If you do somehow catch it the sex is awful.
I fucked a 24 year old blonde from tinder last night. My first message: “what’s up macy?”. No effort at all in any messages there after, purposely leaving typos. Took her out to a drink, walked around the town, had another drink somewhere else and fucked her at her place for hours. Came all over her face the first time and mouth the second time. For dinner I got us Taco Bell after.
Taking women out to dinner and making great texting convo is a waste of your time and money. They’ll fuck your for peanuts without any conversation so if you’re doing the most her brain will assume you’re not the dude who fucks her mouth and feeds her Taco Bell. You’re the dude who feeds her white table cloth dinners and talks to her.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
I wish more men would see the light. Putting in a lot of effort, wining and dining women BEFORE you have any idea if they will put out, this is exactly the unconstructive male behaviour that has women behaving the way they are right now. It's BECAUSE men have historically behaved in this beta-simp mode, paying for womens time, sitting opposite them over a dinner that the men has paid for, in a job interview style setting...this is what has women expecting and demanding all sorts of nonsense.
Chads get the smash off the back of very very low effort. Putting in high effort is falling into womens frame and playing their game. Don't do it. It's an expensive waste of time.
Our message to women should be this: we'll be happy to take you out on a romantic dinner, wine and dine you.....FOR OUR 1st year ANNIVERSARY! Wining and dining is anniversaries, to celebrate years of happy marriage / LTR. We are not going to take a stranger out on an anniversary dinner date. Forget about it, you self entitled stuck up delusional dreamer.
nicknack 11mo ago
White table cloth dates are absolutely a gift and present to women who have earned it and deserve it. Most of us who have dated for a while know that doing it before getting any sex is a scam plain and simple.
Doing it for an online girl is an even bigger mistake. Girls who are online are 99% not quality women, as trust me I know some quality women and none of them use online dating or need to. The girls online are sluts or retired sluts. Quality women get scooped up fast at school, work, or through family / social connections.
But alas, almost all of us have made this mistake many times. We see a pretty girl online and either she is demanding an elaborate expensive date or we suggest it hoping to improve our odds of getting her to meet us. It does improve the odds of getting her to meet you.. for a free dinner and something to do while Chad is not responding to her texts or she’s on shaky ground with her ex who she’s going to text “you up?” Once you drop her off from your expensive date.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
My mother told me the story of how she met my father in 1958. Traditional dating was at its zenith back then, but even then, the notion of a beta male taking out a woman on expensive dinner dates was not the norm. There was no 3 date rule, or even 20 date rule. My father and mother were virgins when they married as were most. Men would be invited inside (to civilized households) to perhaps have a cup of tea or coffee just so the family could see he wasn't an ogre. If they had class, they didn't threaten him. They just wanted to make sure he was ok and were polite about it. He would take her out to a drugstore for a coca cola (minus the cocaine leaves) or bowling (usually with mutual friends, double dating was popular). The "three date" rule back then meant that courtship happened at her house where my father visited and would hang out with her watching TV, BBQ, and so on. He might help out with some chores with her like cooking dinner, washing dishes, and so on.
The modern "traditions" of diamond rings, for example, was a massively successful DeBeers campaign in 1947, "A diamond is forever" and two months salary began later. Many men resisted but consider that about 10 years later, as the movies started pushing more women's liberation and such, consumerism was kicking off. Our idyllic version of "traditional" housewifery barely lasted 1 generation before it all started to collapse in the early 1970's.
Gondola_the_Observer 11mo ago
Well, he offered to take her out to dinner. Isn't it fair that wants some in return?
Justanaverageguy 11mo ago
But we as men are expected to never expect anything from women. We are to just give give give and feel privileged in doing that. Ever hear the feminists screech when a guy complains about the friendzone “no one owes you anything!”. He’s just supposed to accept that one sided friendship and be happy with it because one sided friendships are REAL friendships don’t you know?
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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 11mo ago
Whether or not her count is that high or she has been promiscuous, most men are not incentivized to give such women the benefit of the doubt, as too many women do not care to save themselves for marriage, especially by the time they reach her age. If she is the rare virgin who is at her age, you have to wonder why she is still single. What was she doing during her 20s, when she had the best chance to find a husband? That is the period of time any marriage minded women should buckle down and seriously seek out the type of man she wants to marry. Any reason that could be given, be it career, "I'm just not ready for a relationship yet," "I just want to enjoy being single (i.e. seeking non-committal sex from Chads);" it just shows she is not really all that serious about marriage.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
good point. I have to be honest, the women in the video is very attractive, at least to me. She looks to be mid 40s (rather than the late 30s she claims). She is a great looking woman, and she would make a great partner to a man in his late 50s, early 60s......IF she would be able to behave herself.
But she wont be able to behave herself. She thinks she is way higher value than she is. She thinks this because.....she has been railed by chads for the last 20 years, and now believes that she is a chadess. She is not. She's a 7.5. There are millions of 7s out there. Millions of 7s that are 25, more to the point.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 11mo ago
Forget dating profiles, dairies, and social media... show me your credit card statement and your day planner and I'll know everything there is to know about your priorities.
You can look at how a woman in her 30s and beyond spent her time and money during her 20s to know whether she was actually "looking for love."
Or you can just look at her left ring finger. If she was serious there will be a ring on it.