Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
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5. Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy". (Examples, details)
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Oh you're self sabotaging all right. And something tells me this is going to be a life strategy for you. Your entire life is going to be like this, unless you slap yourself in the face and start making rational choices.
Onetwothree123 11mo ago
If no one ever slapped into her anything, then she is not even aware slapping exists. To her its like separation of atom.
Nothing to.do here she might be somewhat damaged at low level.
Lets notice one thing tho. She asks the question what is happening which is.not bad on its own. She could be say 18yo. But thanks to feminism she will get only bad answers and whoever would be in position to guide her hand for self awarness slap wont dare or simply is not interested.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 11mo ago
Something tells me she's one of those women that gets off on the chase and the second the guy chases back she needs the high of an unrequited alpha male ignoring her again to feel anything at all
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GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
So fucking true dude.
What makes me laugh now is when I'm out, I have resources (which most men do when you've been grinding away for a while) and these bitches have zero idea I could totally change their lives if they could possibly not be complete whores.
I know, its a high bar, but I see them doing the usual - I just smile to myself because I can guess the trajectory that will take.
They're just "fun time" girls, and dudes will eagerly participate (why not, these girls are advertising free fucks) and in the end these girls will end up in the same pattern, posting emo-tiktoks about how they never get picked for long-term relationships.
Same as it ever was, I guess. Maybe I'm just waxing philosophical tonight, but men deserve better than this fucking shitshow.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Me too. I grinded for well over a decade, and just wanted pretty, fit, feminine, childless, not a 304, and not a bitch. This is apparently too tall of a task for most American women. Oh well, hope they enjoy their wage slave jobs and childless homes.
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Not a bitch and also not a murderer. Check this shit out -- https://www.abc4.com/news/northern-utah/utah-woman-who-wrote-book-about-grief-following-husbands-death-charged-with-murder/
33yr old wife of 3 sons spikes husband's drink with fentanyl, plays innocent until phone logs caught her out. Christ.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Yeah I mean this is next level narcissism. My guess is that it wasn’t an isolated incident and that woman is a prime example of Munchausen's syndrome by proxy.
TRPDuryodhana 11mo ago
Wtf dude. These hoes are all crazy, literally!
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 11mo ago
Nah, I get it. It's totally his fault. How come he didn't paraglide his way into date #3 with expensive jewelry and professed his love in front of a sizeable audience - which turned out to be a flash mob hired by him to sing and dance to your eternal love? You deserve better; just dump him.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
I think you're not reading her correctly Impressive...what she is saying is that he showed a tiny bit of interest, and this was enough to give her the dry. She is clearly stating that she wants men that treat her with disdain and contempt, that ignore her, that fuck her and then dump her and never call her in the morning...she is begging for bad treatment. And this guy was being nice (ewwwww how disgusting!) so she is going to keep looking until she can find her 'bad boy' that is going to give her the tingles because he treats her like shit.
Maybe she needs to go to the local prison and see what they have on offer.
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 11mo ago
You're right in you assessment; if she has commitment issues, the best way to get rid of her is offering commitment. Always entertaining to see the girl who was nagging you about "what are we?" tripping over herself towards the door because she can't leave fast enough.
But that's not how she'll see it/tell the story later. It'll be his fault (because otherwise there's something wrong with her, and we all know it can't be the woman who's emotionally broken): he didn't pull the chair for her, he didn't bring her to a restaurant expensive enough, he looked at his cellphone one too many times. And even if he was perfect, then he was being too much, or probably faking something - she'll even recreate reality to justify herself, if needed (he was looking a bit too much at the waitress, after all). Either way, you can never win with a damaged chick - and telling her the truth is probably considered abuse nowadays, so all that's left is pushing her towards the abyss. I mean, we could maybe say nothing or even gently point her towards the right direction and hope for the best, but where's the fun in that?
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Yes, there are so many things that he might do wrong that will give her the dry. He might, for example, know where is birth cert is.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
wtf is romantic chemistry? Are these women really that retarded? I feel like this is the rat utopia experiment at the point where the females had completely lost the knowledge of how to reproduce.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
oh they know how to reproduce all right. That seems to be the one thing that the modern welfare NPC 304 knows how to do. Its just us nice guyz don't qualify for the insemination part, we only qualify for the paypig part, to raise the off spring of the bad boyz.
The slums of our western cities are full of reproducers. The ghetto is alive with the sound of crying babies. No dads anywhere to be seen, but reproduction is running at full tilt. Meanwhile, in the rich areas of town, there's nobody under 60. Its a kid free zone. The issue we are facing is that our high end population is aging out, and the new waves is all trash.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Well, in the rat utopia all the bad boys eventually die off and aren't replaced because all the single moms raise pretty soy boys. What are we down to now? Like 4.5% of men are getting 80% of women? And the majority of those guys are probably in prison. It's just a matter of time before all the Chads become beta soy boys.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Not sure I get how that is happening? I think the issue is that the bad boyz are reproducing at an alarming rate, and the soy boys are not. A high performing badboy can probably inseminate about 20 ghetto 304s before getting imprisoned. No skills or capital required. And welfare will take care of the 304s, which they supplement with some 'dancing' and maybe OF and some of them will find a beta to take care of them.
The issue is that we have inverted the incentives. There is no point in being a law abiding diligent student, studying coding and becoming a productive member of society, because then you're a nerd and an incel, and no woman is going to want to get pregnant by you. The incentives are all fucked up. You need to become a deliquent, walk around with your pants around your knees, pull out your guy (always sideways) and hold up the 7 eleven, deals some drugs...then you will get some serious action. Chicks will raw dog that shit all night long.
The only way we could reverse this is to scrap welfare and alimony. In the old days, the wealthy and the aristocracy were the breeders. Nowadays, the cream of society has hardly any kids and the trash are breeding like rabbits.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
So with the rats, the alphas would also inseminate many females. But then the alphas would leave and not protect the female or help raise the babies. Next the females would neglect the babies and sometimes even kill them. So even though the alpha managed to reproduce, the offspring never became an alpha. It became a pretty rat that sat around all day grooming itself with no clue as to how to reproduce.
This is the same thing we see happening in humans today. How many posts have we seen of guys who are good looking but were raised by a single mother and have no clue how to get women into bed?
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
The circuit breaker that prevents shitty men from reproducing would have always been that they dont' stick around to nurture their offspring. In the old days, The BadBoyz (TM) only managed to inseminate, and then the offspring would die. Maybe even the sluts would die as well. So for thousands of years, females were sort of forced to reproduce with responsible hard working men that stuck around to look after them and the kids. Hard working intelligent men that knew how to hunt and run a farm. Those were the genes that survived. And the women had a very stark choice - reproduce with the responsible, hardworking males that were skilled at homesteading and farming OR get fucked by a lone wolf badboy that was just roaming around in an irresponsible manner, who was going to leave them and go and fuck some other slut the next day.
Obviously, more tingles getting fucked by the badboyz, but ...consequences. The women is always going to prefer the unsuitable male...but actions having consequences is the invisible hand of natural selection.
The second option meant possible death by starvation. So even though its much more desirable to be a slut and get fucked by irresponsible stranger-danger, its a poor choice in terms of propagating your genes. The responsible skilled man might not have been as sexually appealing, but it allowed the female to replicate.
But we have now perverted and inverted the law of the jungle. Social welfare means that there is no shortage of calories for the bottom of society. In fact, the poorer they are, the more calories they seem to ingest. So the ghetto sluts feel no danger and get inseminated by the worst 'gangsta' trash available.
The fact that the trailer trash of the west have a reproduction rate that is about twice as high as the cream of society tells us that something is very very wrong.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Yeah it's the human version of rat utopia. Unlimited food and water, even if you're a single mom hoe.
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 11mo ago
When your date is also your drug dealer.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
There is a reason I use the term Chaddicts to describe these loons.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
I got so much pussy when I was a drug dealer.
Onetwothree123 11mo ago
Happy to see you see as well how much these experiments corelate to us, its kinda scary, on the other side white mouse might stop to exist but black will thrive if white one will not spread disease (im white)
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Should be 1st vs 3rd world mouse
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
50% will not reproduce by 2030. I'll be the teary old guy looking through the fence at the school play yard witnessing the last of the children.
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Random tiktok bullshit that your comment reminded me to mention:
Fucking female hive-mind, I see this in a lot of shit - I watch a youtuber who does some funny critique of women bitching about men, so I notice things.
1) "Living my best life" -- as opposed to what, you stupid bitch, your worst life? That one is up there with < whatever > is my WORLD.
2) That motherfucking hand pointing gesture - like they have a pinch of flour in their fingers but keep on making the same gesture over and over. What the fuck is this shit. You are not a conductor, you're a stupid bitch. Leave the gestures to those that actually have a reason to make them.
3) " my truth" oh fuck you. Nothing will make me roll my goddamned eyes more quickly than that prefix to whatever slut-ism is about to escape their freshly painted lips.
4) Men are < derogatory statement > -- Sure thing bitch, men built that car you are making your video in, the algorithm that compresses it, the silicon that has the millions of transistors that process your stupid whore-speak into a protocol so your fellow retards can take notes. Go fuck yourself.
I guess I'm on a tear. This is why I don't do social media, the small exposure I do have just pisses me off.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
We already passed the point where the females lost the knowledge of how to rear their young. That followed the point where Chad would impregnate them and then leave them to be single moms. So now we're seeing those offspring.
ZeroCurbAppeal 11mo ago
In the Glass Onion, Daniel Craig has that line, "Don't you think it's dangerous to confuse Speaking the Truth with Speaking Without Thought?"
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
Upon clinical observation, my diagnosis is that she has a terminal case of Stupid Bitch.
nicknack 11mo ago
What’s happening actually is that her subconscious instinct is telling her that this dude is a beta loser / bad genetics for her sons, because he is showcasing such high interest in her he must be low value.
I mean, we can see that she’s a pretty shit person, so naturally even I think any guy who wants her is probably a beta, loser who had to go for low hanging fruit for a relationship.
Or, bro is a valuable guy and actually only wants to hit it and quit it, but has no game. Take the nice sweet boyfriend guy route as that’s all he knows from Disney movies. Someone needs to get him some TRP books in that case.
He would have been better off starting all this with “Hey Becky, you should come over and hangout at my place”. Not professed his feelings and asked her on a date, to a girl he already knows well.
I dated a girl from our friend group. I just invited to her my house directly and we fucked like rabbits for days, then started going out on dates.
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Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
This is just the average mentality of the average chick. She is repulsed by nice guy and suitability. If you had to distil one lesson out of all the red pill stuff, esp for younger dudes, it would be this;
"Do not pay attention to what they say they want - it is a lie. If you give them what they say they want (romance, affection, love, respect, loyalty) they will get the dry."
What these women really want is to be treated with disdain and disrespect. They yearn to be treated badly. The best experience this chick could have had would be if that guy had just called her and said 'hey, wanna come over? Grab a bottle of wine and come over, we can net flix n' chill'. And then make zero effort at all. Just bang her and then not drive her home, and then not text her for days until she breaks and texts him, and then wait a day or two before giving a really non-committal reply. THAT is what would have got her juices going. That is what would have kept the 'massive crush' on the boil.
Women basically hate themselves and if you don't treat them with the contempt they deserve, they'll find somebody else who will. The phrase 'ooh, I do like a bad boy' is just code for 'Oh, I do like a man who treats me with disdain and contempt. The thing that makes me retch and gives me the dry panties is commitment'
NOTE: This is just the strategy for picking up chicks and smashing. It's not the strategy for LTR or marriage.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 11mo ago Stickied
Not quite. They want a man who is better than them. In their world, someone who is better than someone else is not polite and exercises the power they have over them. For these women, the journey is to find a guy who is better than them, to get him to commit, to discard him once he commits himself and to go find a better man to get to commit. That's how serial monogamy works. Of course, they never blame themselves if the jerks they chase never commit to them. When that happens, it is not because they are damaged, but the guy who is incapable of committing to them. From the outside, it looks nuts. In their minds, it makes sense since they want to climb the ladder and in their world, this is how one does it.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
I see what you are saying, but I think the true dynamic is slightly different. You seem to be saying that women want a man that is better than them (true) to get him to commit. Once he commits, they discard him TO GO FIND A BETTER MAN TO COMMIT.
That is where I think you go wrong. Because, usually, they will discard him in favour of a WORSE man. Hear me out - they get married, guy is great, committed, loving etc (which gives them the dry). They then see totally unsuitable guys (bad boyz) and they cheat. The thing that gives women the dry is suitability. Being a suitable partner makes the modern woman retch, because, no tingles, no danger.
The USP of a bad boy is the promise of ill treatment. Its the bad treatment that gets the panties moist. If you don't believe me, look what happens when a bad boy does actually settle down and become a nice guy, the woman will cheat. Because she is no longer getting the bad treatment that she non-consciously craves.
We're not so far apart - you seem to think that women leave because they want a better man (pure hypergamy) but my thesis, based on observing their behaviour, is that women are just not attracted to men that love, honour and respect them. They only only attracted to men that treat them with disrespect.
I have listened and read a thousand stories of women, who are mourning the loss of 'the one'. The guy that they yearn for. It is always a story about them being disrespected and mistreated and cheated on. They pussies are on fire for mistreatment. Its the ill treatment that they crave more than anything.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 11mo ago
I think where we differ is that a woman's definition of a better man is not the same as a guy's definition. To us, better man might be more handsome, makes more money, better father, more committed, solid member of the community, etc.
A woman's definition of a "better man" is: does he give me more tingles? And frequently, what gives her tingles is a man who is so high up the ladder and with such abundance of women that he can afford to treat her poorly. Now, he may have that abundance because he's a drug dealer and basically every woman he deals coke to blows him for the privilege. Or he might even be an obvious (to men) fake who's just running game. Neither man would be a guy's idea of a "good man". And yet to a woman, she thinks "if this guy fucks lots of women, especially women hotter than me, then he must be high value, and if I can snag him, then it means I'm better than all the other bitches sucking his dick."
This why the classic nice guy story is about pining after a girl who keeps rejecting you but who suddenly becomes flirtatious the minute some other girl falls in love with you. It's not that you've suddenly become a better man. It's that having other women interested in you (for whatever reason, good or bad) means you have higher SMV than she thought, and so all of a sudden, you're a better man in her eyes.
Also, don't discount how this works in reverse: that husband who's working hard, making decent money, being a good father to the kids, and being faithful to his wife, shrivels her up because this guy is no longer banging other women. Other women aren't even flirting with him. Not because he's no longer attractive. But because, as a good family man, he's not going to bars and clubs, and he doesn't flirt with random women on the street, or risk getting metoo'd at work. IOW, he deliberately doesn't seek out female attention and validation like he used to when he was single, because, now that he's married, he believes that doing so is wrong and regardless wholly unnecessary because he has a good woman and he'd never cheat on her.
His wife sees the lack of other female attention in his life, and wrongly concludes that's because his value has gone down. At that point, even a random stranger she meets at a bar during girls night out is a "better man" than her husband because at least that guy is getting a few girls to talk to him.
You see this, for example, in women who want to open up their marriage, because they believe they'll be swimming in dicks while their husband wouldn't be able to get laid if his life depended on it. And then they open it up, and, being 10/15/20 years older than when she was dating, she's unable to get any hot guys to fuck her, and meanwhile, the dude who's now an established "older man" is bringing home young hotties every night. At that point, she realizes her husband is actually a high-value man, and wants to go back to a monogamous relationship. The man's actual value didn't change: he still has the same morals, makes the same amount of money, looks the same, etc. But the women assumed his ability to attract women has gone down merely because he's not a manwhore and is staying true to his marriage.
Long story short: our definition of value is very different than these women. That's what allows them to drop seemingly high value men in exchange for seemingly lower value men.
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
This needs to be in the sidebar!
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
excellent post. I think we're largely in agreement. We can talk all day about what is 'high value' but the thing to remember is this; there is different values for women. The man they want to marry is high value in this way: stable, reliable, faithful, mild mannered, polite, law abiding good with kids, intelligent, skilled, highly paid. It's like the stereotypical successful suburban dad. Might be a dentist, or a business analyst. This kind of guy can ALWAYS get married. Big house, manicured lawns, two cars. High value to a woman, for marraige.
But not for hook ups. That same guy, in his beige khakis, is not going to get the pussys a tingling at the local bar. At the local dive bar, the guy that smashes has a full sleeve, a motorcycle, criminal record, history of domestic violence and a track record of mistreating women.
They want to marry men who will be a daddy, so that they can continue to be a child. But they don't want sex with their replacement daddy (ewww), they want sex with the bad boyz. That's largely because of the bad treatment that they know they can get from the bad boyz.
This is what makes marriage such a challenge. How do you keep the stranger danger? How do you not become their daddy? Its very hard.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 11mo ago
You're looking at this discussion like it's the grand unified theory. It is not. There are always nuances. A guy does not actually have to be better objectively. A woman just has to consider him better. Even if he is a bum, if she admires his free nature, she will think he is better. Married women do not always cheat with better men. They cheat with men who are different and sometimes "better".
My point is this: ill treatment is not what makes them wet. Only a certain kind of woman goes for that. What makes most women wet is unattainability, which signals higher status. As soon as they think they have a guy, they get the dry. Yes, the degree varies based on the psychology of the woman but this is true for most women.
You want love, respect and a long term relationship? Treat her with a reasonable amount of respect but never let her think she is above you. She has to think she was lucky to get you. Abuse will not sustain long term. It works on the damaged, the dumb and the young & stupid.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Not disagreeing with you, its just a different choice of words. You correctly say that 'unattainability' is the thing that excites women. But that itself contains the very essence of rejection. It's why women are so subservient to gay men, for example, because gay men don't want them and think they are unattractive. Gay men reject women at their very core, so women see this rejection and fall at their knees and worship gay men.
The dynamic we are talking about, (that women love ill treatment, disdain and rejection) is precisely why marriage is so difficult in the long term. It's the reason for the 7 year itch. Women see the love, affection, commitment and monogamy that their husband is showing, and it gives them the dry, and you end up with a sexless marriage, and very very high divorce rates, 90% of which are initiated by the wife. They want the 'stranger danger' of unsuitable males, which = tingles.
Don't shoot the messenger. Just because this makes no sense, doesn't mean its not happening.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
Married for 19 years. I discovered that with American women in particular, they got "dried up" when I courted them in an old fashioned manner. Like you said, they won't admit that because that's part of the game. Alpha Chad is the kind of guy that ignores the rules hence she creates rules to test out his existence. You still have to be "nice" to them in certain ways unless you're hot such as paying for a free dinner or drink but if you see that as them being "ladies", they'll friendzone you.
Modern "romantic" "traditional" courtship is to treat women as ho's: (normal) men must pay for drinks/dinner, clown game them a bit, and wait for them to put out and if they don't, say "this isn't working out" and move on. THEN after he gets bedroom fun, THEN romance can finally begin because she can't pull the "well, if you don't put up with me you're an incel!" because she can't incel-shame someone she had sex with.
Married men tell me that if they have a dry-spell for a month, it's no biggie. They can't be sexually extorted into buying their wife things. After all, most of us have had dry spells of a year or more when we were single. We didn't die.
What would recover this man's status in this woman's eyes is quite simple: If he sees her pulling back and drying up, simply say: "This doesn't appear to be working out. Take care" and pull away from her. 3 date rule.
What's interesting is that women's body counts have to be high in this modern era because dating now requires sex after about 2 weeks or so of dating because if she doesn't sleep then, she probably never will. They created this system.
fskfsk 11mo ago
If you're married, your wife can spend as much of your money she want on whatever she wants, and there's nothing you can do about it. If you're buying your wife a gift, you're just spending money she already controls.
NotaBene Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
As always, the system is perfectly designed for the results obtained.
The whole idea of "dating" even in the traditional sense was flawed from the start, and naturally evolved into the hookup culture we have today. The only thing holding it back was social norm constructs such as "it's immoral to sleep with him until you've had three dates" or whatever.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
This is also the default strategy for correcting misbehavior/boundary punishing on the part of a woman now too. Side benefit of which is if she does not course correct, you've already pulled up stakes and just continue to bail.
Stupid cunts will still whine that men are getting more and more noncommittal when they literally punish/stymie any other approach though.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
It's a good thing that women are punishing or "shaming" men better than we men ever could. I was never into lavishing women with attention and goodies to try to get them into the sack although I found that even an adult, honorable expression of family values on a first date dried them up like a California Raisons advertisement. If men now have to perform to express a certain level of minimum interest, but not TOO much, to be able to begin a relationship AND need to get into the sack before an honest courtship can occur, they are, ironically, putting us men back into the driver's seat. Heck, they're SHOVING us into it: "I insist you DOMINATE me! Treat me like a sex toy!"
If I knew then, what I know now, I'd have told my earlier self to gain a decent looking, but also wealthy woman (or her family) into the sack at all costs and then I would be in a power position in that if she says "I don't want to marry you" I'm ok with walking and having gotten bedroom fun. I would have no problems with marrying a wealthy woman without a prenup.
Considering her expressed strong interest, the guy is probably decent looking and she's redpilling him. They're doing our job for us.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
In truth, going on dates is a bit beta. I don't think I've ever actually done it. The chad game is to pick up chicks in a free flowing environment, where the transaction is simply that they get your attention and the validation of a guy that is higher than then in SMV, in exchange for access to their uterus. Maybe its different here in Europe, but the classic model of going out on a date with a woman that you have never had sex with, paying $100 or more to sit down and listen to her nonsense for about 3 hours, on the OFF CHANCE of some action? And then hear her say, no thanks, I value myself too highly to put out, maybe you need to bring me out 2x more times, and then we'll see. That is an absurd exchange of time and value. I just don't believe that any top 20% male should have to put up with that...its a pure beta play.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
It’s true, but I’m bottom 80%. Not in stuff that matters in this world, but being 5’7” in America (average man 5’9”-5’10”) is basically a guarantee that you’ll never be seen as higher than a 7/8 by women on the street. And more likely a 3-4. My value proposition is the sheer fact that I can charm the pants off of a woman, because I’m ridiculously smart and have good confidence. It took awhile, but I did learn that women who weren’t satisfied with an afternoon meet and greet with a coffee weren’t even good long term prospects anyway, so I stopped bothering.
I’m out of the dating game now. But I learned a lot to pass on to any son of mine. And unlike a lot of fathers these days with no spine, I could tell a daughter what men like in a romantic partner and what they don’t like (IOW: don’t sleep around, don’t be a bitch, go to the gym)
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
I concur except I'm in the bottom 80% admittedly. Rule 1 here is no shaming men (not to say you're doing that) but the paradigm that men need to earn basic validation from women by being in the top 20 percent (or higher) buys into their paradigm of female entitlement.
So some of us have to try to do advanced beta plays. My dates usually were walks around the park and then some cheap "comfort food" as we say in the states: Kabob or cheeseburgers. I got more "personal contact" with women on walking dates than sitting at a table for 3 hours plus cheap food tastes better after exercise. Other great first dates was the shooting range or video arcade (yes, I'm that old.)
But sure, $100 for a first date is stupid. THAT does signal "beta beggar" loud and clear and the woman says that's what 'she wants' but finds an excuse to dump the guy anyway after she realizes the well has run dry and friendzones him.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Was defo not shaming men. I just think that the strategy finding women on OLD, then buying them dinner in a restaurant is a terrible terrible strategy for any man, not matter their SMV. If I were in the dating game (i'm not) I would rather go without that go down that route. The reason why I think that is terrible idea is manifold;
It's beta. It's paying women for their time. Which is wrong on so many levels. Level 1 - their time is of no value. I don't want to listen to what they have to say. I'm not interested in star signs. The classic OLD date at a restaurant is a very explicitly NOT a deal of meal for sex. Its meal for time.
It's teaching women that we need to pay to play. Which is also wrong on so many levels. It reduces all women to the prostitute. And all men to pay pigs.
Maybe I expressed myself badly in my original post. I said that it was a bad idea for a guy in the top 20% - what I should have said was that its a bad idea for any man. I regret saying top 20%...its a bit reductionist, reducing men to a value is bit dehumanising - note to self, stop using that language!
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 11mo ago
I didn't think you were shaming men either, but the problem is that this 20% paradigm implies that 80% of men are worthless to women. Chivalry has made men disposable like a beverage container that without money, or when it runs out, you simply discard the container.
Can't say how things are in Europe in the present day (I've been off-the-market for 20 years) but normal, healthy (for western women) of my era that didn't have high body counts wouldn't go for a video-and-shag date. YES, meal dates are prostitution, but there are decent prostitutes and then there are skanks who remind me of some Russian prostitutes who grabbed a guy's laptop while he took a shower and ran off. (The police report on that was pretty funny.)
Nearly all women are going to make us "pay" one way or the other, but will they be decent about it? RP is about seeing the world as it is, in its ugliness, including that women are selfish and hypergamous or, at best, unreliable.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Dating culture was basically a response to the new paradigm away from fathers essentially picking a husband for their daughter (assuming that she liked the guy; dad generally wouldn’t send his baby off to someone she hates), through that man courting her properly and in the supervision of her family. Because they understood back then that 18 year olds are stupid and an 18 year old girl cannot mentally handle all of the options she perceives herself to have.
Now, those pseudo-arranged marriages go out the window, and we move into an era where we let the young people decide. This still works fine, because young women still want to be married and to raise a family. There’s some teenage hormones raging, so a bunch of young adults probably went into marriage having already consummated it way before. But that’s fine, everything is still functional.
But we reach our modern day. And women generally don’t even think about marriage until 25 (and if you live in urban areas, it’s common to see women who don’t take it seriously until they’re 30). But they still expect that courtship. He takes all of the initiative, meaning she has the power to reject and hurt his feelings at all times. He pays. He plans. But it’s not for marriage, just carnal sexual desires. It makes no sense for any kind of man. If you’re a Chad who can get laid anywhere he goes, why would you put in special effort when there’s dozens of women at any club in town who just want the validation of getting piped down by a 6’ tall muscular dude? If you’re a classically high value man and want to prioritize starting a family, why would you engage in relationship type arrangements with a woman who won’t even give you what you want for years when there’s women all around the world that are itching for a man like you? And if you’re neither group, well, odds are that these women don’t even want you anyway (but they’re more than happy to take the $35 savings on dinner tonight!).
Not to mention when you start at dinner on a first date, they always expect the ante to be upped. I took a girl out on a dinner date one night. She was “recommending” a weekend getaway for our second date. Paid for by yours truly, obv.
NotaBene Jr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
File this one under "not even women know what they want".
Part of chivalrous (I use this word in a negative, Dalrock-type sense) "romance" is that love is unrequited. Getting what you want (a relationship) requires effort and eventually leads to disappointment, loss, and emotional damage.
For a woman who has gone through this damaging cycle enough times, it's much more exciting/dramatic to exist in a perpetual state of "he loves me, he loves me not". They play games like flirting and then being coy, it leads to all sorts of interesting conversations with other girls. It's like a schoolgirl who sends "do you like me? check yes/no" but does not actually want a response, because the uncertainty is much more fun.
DextroShade 11mo ago
This is a broken woman who is unable to pair-bond. If the guy slapped her, choked her, pulled her hair and called her a bitch she would into it.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 11mo ago
Yeah, she’ll spend her nights thinking about the man who slapped her face, pulled her hair, pinned her against the bed and called her a dirty whore. But the guy who waited months and respectfully had gentle, romantic sex with her, he’s boring.
Always remember that women have looked at Michael B Jordan as a lame, because he possesses morals and standards and is well behaved. Future is just a salesman that’s giving these women what they want.