First and foremost, we now welcome @MelkorHimself into the rank of endorsed member of WAATGM for his long history of contributions to the community. (A different mod will need to update your flair at that other site. If one of them doesn't get to it today, use the modmail and link to this comment in there.)

This flair will fall under rule 9 for weekend-only use and will be significantly different from the other flairs allowed at WAATGM (alternate link to forums.red version), especially the ones that fall under rule 5:

Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy".

Unlike the rule 5 Carols or even the other rule 9 Carols we feature, the tradthot doesn't outright tell on herself. The unplugged man must learn to read between the lines and clue in on her chameleon-like deception.

As my good buddy @lurkerhasarisen noted in our discussion on this thread at the WAATGM Tribe on the trp.red side of this site, exceptions to this can and do exist. We cannot know with 100% certainty that a woman who fits this description necessarily is deceiving us and doesn't have some extenuating circumstances. However, we men do not owe women, especially any strangers, our time, commitment, or resources. The purpose of this flair isn't to convict these women with "proof beyond a reasonable doubt", but to caution men to jealously guard their time, etc against those who don't deserve it. The analogy I used in that discussion was not carrying cash in a bad area; learning to take precautions isn't convicting another person.

And one of our main purposes here at WAATGM (aside from having a laugh or six) is to help men know what to guard against to prevent loss of time, resources, etc. or worse, committing to the wrong woman who will drain him of his time, attention, resources, etc within a dead bedroom marriage in which she receives all the benefits she's after and he receives little-to-no value in return.

How to spot a woman who fits the tradthot flair, like the one in the OP:

• Her age (usually 30+, though we may allow some at 25+) is inconsistent with the values she claims to hold. If she were truly a traditional, family-oriented woman, she'd have been married and a mother by now (over a decade ago in the particular case of the Carol in the OP). THAT is not speculation. Sure, whether she was riding the Cock Carousel or has remained a virgin (lol not likely at all) is a matter of speculation, but this fact is not.

• She doesn't fit the "strong, independent woman" flair that other women her age might fit because there's no emphasis on schooling and/or career or mention of being a corporate nun.

• She doesn't fit "leftovers" as defined in the flair because she's missing the complaining aspect, and same with the "Epiphany Phase" flair (though she fits Rollo's original definition).

• She comes close to asking "The Big Question" by saying "seeing where grown Christian men who care to lead a family still exist" (in this particular OP) or something similar, but doesn't quite ask The Big Question.

• A tradthot is a deceptive chameleon; she's trying to pretend she was like this all her life, and "complaining about jerks and promiscuity" would undermine her disguise. Tradthots are usually more clever than the other Carols we've been showcasing all these years.

The mod team will be stricter on the use of this flair than we are on others. Check out OP @MelkorHimself's comment here as well as the previously-linked conversationat the WAATGM Tribe for more information, and if a different flair (such as "bailout" or "leftovers") as described in the flair guide fits a Carol you wish to post, especially if it's a rule 5 flair, go with that one.

Additional reading:

Women reaching the age of 25~30 suddenly become Tradcon

The Maturity Myth

I have observed an increased presence of profiles resembling the one above, so I requested that it become a new non-central/weekend theme. Originally, I suggested the name of Tradthot Chameleon, but after some back and forth debate we settled on simply Tradthot as it necessarily implies chameleon-like behavior. What is a Tradthot? It is a woman who:

1. Is over age 30
2. Is physically attractive and seemingly feminine/agreeable
3. Uses textbook tradcon buzz words to lure in the men she wants
4. Is inexplicably lacking the husband and children she expressly desires
5. Exhibits at least one facet of her personality that indicates hypocrisy or an unsavory past

The profile above fits all of those criteria. What makes me raise an eyebrow is her attitude towards Instagram. Not only are all of her Bumble photos from IG, but she included her IG handle in her bio (redacted), and she linked said IG account at the bottom. However, she then went on to lambaste men who "follow 500 IG models". She knows that her dating app accounts alone won't get her the attention she wants, so she capitalized on the fact that men follow IG models to widen her net. Ultimately, this all begs the question: What is she hiding? What doesn't she want us to know?

She forgot to list 'getting lip fillers' as one of her main interests.

Did Tomi Lahren or Lauren Southern not teach anyone anything? Those chicks operated on the same wavelength as the woman in this post and we all saw that crazy video rant Tomi did. I'm assuming, which makes you an ass, but not always wrong.

If she says what she is, then good for her. If she's just using these words to get a meal ticket to a Henry Cavill or a Hemsworth, then we all know what happens afterwards.

Yeah, tradthots definitely exist. This one may be genuine, but I also think something's off. The biggest is her age and that she has a graduate degree.

If she was in University for 6-10 yrs (undergrad + grad school) and couldn't find a husband during those years, especially if she's as good looking as her photos show her to be, then she did not want a husband during those years. Which means she probably rode the CC and has become a "born again virgin" looking for a husband at this late age.

Even in the most liberal universities out there, there are guys there for the education, who put their heads down, stay out of the politics, and just get their degrees and get out. If you're a conservative woman, you'll find these men if you want them, and even get married to one pretty quickly if you wish.

My guess: she was a feminist in college, right up until she graduated with her shiny new degree and realized that in the Real World outside of the ivory tower, there is no pre-paid meal plan and no one will continue giving loans to fund your lifestyle. And when she found out the marketplace value of her degree, compared to how much money she needs to pay off her student loans and fund the lifestyle she expected to have, she put 2 and 2 together and realized she needs a man to bail her out.

And just like hot girls who started pretending to like comic books once Silicon Valley made computer nerds rich, she's donned the "traditional" garb to lasso herself a rich guy who wants a "conservative" wife.

If you ever date one of these women, the easiest way to tell if they're genuine is to say "It's great that you're not a feminist. So tell me, which part of feminism don't you like?"

Which part of feminism did this tradthot not partake in?

Is she a virgin? Unlikely.

Will she sacrifice her career goals for her family and/or her husband's career? Often not. I can't tell you how many times I've seen women marry guys with better careers (of course) but then expect the guy to sacrifice their career so she can pursue hers (like when deciding which city to live in).

Will she do all the housework, raise the kids, cook and clean? Yeah right. She'll expect you to do 50/50 (because she has a graduate degree, dontcha know?!) or else earn enough to hire maids and nannies.

At best, this a version of what Kevin Samuels used to call "conditional femininity": a woman who'll only be feminine and submissive to a man "worthy" of it. To every one else, she will remain a raging bitch or hard-assed, masculine boss babe. Guys hate these women because we know that who you are when no one is watching is your true personality. And no one wants to be married to someone who'll only stay feminine and kind while you're bringing home an appropriate paycheck and then will turn on you the minute you ever encounter any hardship.

In this case, I'm betting this girl is at best a conditional tradthot: She believes in feminism (even she doesn't call herself one), but she'll be "traditional" as long as you bring home a big enough paycheck to essentially buy her obedience. The minute you stop, she'll go back to being a feminist and likely divorce rape you harder than Gloria Allred. While still claiming she loves Jesus.

She really ought to list 'lip filler' as a hobby.

I'd like to really focus on the picture of what looks like her officiating a wedding for a pregnant bride and her starter groom. A "traditional" woman would not associate herself with another woman who is pregnant out of wedlock. She would have been repulsed at the thought of even looking at a pregnant woman in a (white, no less) wedding dress.

Her pictures (actions) do not line up with her words. This woman now wants a tradwife lifestyle so she can be taken care of and live the rest of her life on easy mode but rather than respecting and submitting to her husband she will instead end up using him as a doormat that doubles as an ATM. I will give her this; she is hot (exactly my type in looks at least). I would eat her ass in a New York minute. But alas, she's "traditional" now and she doesn't do those things anymore. That life is behind her. Well in my eyes, in that case her looks are a waste and fading fast and she gets a swipe to the left.

All I can think of in those photos is the men that are cropped out, what their link to her was and how they got fucked over by this social chameleon.

TradTHOTing is definitely a thing. I think its a function of men (good job, by the way) applying pressure by not fucking with single moms and obvious castaways, so the sluts have to up their game.

As stated by Typo-MAGAshiv, if she was traditional, she'd be married and bouncing a few babies on that knee, not posting in socials for whatever relationship reasons.

Its sad, because you know a whole generation (or more) of women are absolutely ruined by the feminutz ideology. I suppose it has to run its course before the pendulum swings back.

She's 34 and trad

Ok

She's looking for a dumb pigeon. The thing though is she wants a monogamous rich dumb pigeon that gives her tingles.

Do they even exist?

The caveat to trodthots is that modern "traditionalism" is itself 1st wave entitlement feminism. In the past, men were the "head of the household", period. He didn't have to EARN it via being the provider and protector because that makes his status probationary. That's not to say he shouldn't work or earn a living, of course, but rather this notion of the woman staying at home surrounded by appliances to wash clothes and vacuum machines only applied to the USA between 1940 to 1960 or so. The "tradthot" era lasted less time than most of us have been alive.

Most women worked in the fields and even if they did more work, the man was still in charge. "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord." -- Ephesians 5:22

I smell "WAATGM" when she asks whether "traditional men exist" meaning she's pulling out a "man up" shaming ploy. She clearly articulates her demands of men (money/protection/chivalry) but leaves ambiguous her own role except to say she doesn't want a man who wants a "boss chick" but yet, that's what's she's doing.

It's quite simple for a woman to be feminine: Just obey a man. Period. It's THAT easy. He says "What would you like to do, sweetheart?" and she replies "I trust you to decide dear." He responds (beta) "I really want to know what you want" and she replies "I truly mean to be submissive to you and support you in that role. I won't shame you if you have problems doing that. Please choose and I will support you."

A woman who demands a man "lead" and then gripe when he's not "leading" the correct way is passive-aggressive. If she's demanding money/protection (namely, chad height) in exchange for sex, then she's a tradthot (transactional sex for money/protection.)

A tradthot can say that once she's bored with a man, he "broke the contract" and therefore, as a "lady", she can divorce rape him because that's 1st wave feminism.

Gotta copypasta my rant about these types:

If a woman wants or has ever wanted a relationship with a man, and she made it past 30 still single, she fucked up somewhere, bad.

Like, super bad. Being born with a vagina is being born with one of the most powerful negotiating tools known to humanity. It's the sort of thing that men build cities, nations, then wage wars that destroy both, then rebuild both all over again just to get.

So if a woman can't parlay that into a relationship....sorry toots, thou art a fuckup, now get thee to a nunnery!

While there is a small possibility that she has reformed for real, we know all too well that becoming a "traditional woman" is just a strategy some older women/single mothers use to lure in a good man and hopefully score themselves the ultimate bailout; marriage.

A young age and a childfree status are the most important qualifications you need to look for when seeking a traditional woman, a childfree 18 year old who looks like a good woman claiming to be traditional is almost certainly the real deal since most modern girls in their prime are too busy "living their best life" by fucking randos and accumulating debt as they study in uni.

Any even slightly attractive single women over the age of 25 who claims to be a traditional woman should be viewed with suspicion as they should be married already and if a single mother (widows excluded) claims to be a traditional woman, you can dismiss her right off the bat.

If she’s not lying to tell men what they want to hear, I would ask her where was this mentally when you were 21 and attractive? Oh that’s right, at that time you were riding Chad in his dorm, middle finger to the patriarchy. Probably still got a couple left over tattoos from your “wild” phase.

@typo-magashiv

Dang.. that picture of her standing in front of the bride and groom, reading. Must hurt thinking to herself, when will it be my turn? If she is this pretty why isn't any man around her coming up to ask her out? The ones that do, just want to hit it and quit it. The caste man that she wants isn't going to ask her out, for fear of rejection or harassment. She's stuck in this conundrum. It's so easy to fix her situation if she does the approaching, but she isn't going to do that. She's been conditioned to believe that men should be the ones doing that. Now men aren't doing that anymore, and the ones that do just want to smash and pass.

Had she done this 10 years prior, she would've found the man she wanted. There's no doubt that she's pretty, but she's 34 and still looking. Things don't add up. What has she been doing for the past 16 years? Surely some guy would've asked her out, but no man asked her to be his wife. Why is that?

Let's give her the benefit of the doubt, and say that she spent 10 years chasing a masters/phd. Throughout that time, she couldn't find a man in her class to marry her? Now she's here. She doesn't want a man below or at her equal because she thinks she accumulated all of these experiences that she think makes her desirable. She became the man she wanted. She'll forever die looking up because the men below her is lesser or doesn't exist. Funny because she's 5'1.

It'll be even more funny she wants a 6 foot man. Reminds me of this one youtube comment that I came across years ago. 6 foot tall OP was having sex with his 5 foot nothing gf at the time. His brother barges in, looks at them, stunned, and leaves. After finishing up, OP confronts his brother, asked why and what he had seen. His brother said something along the lines, "I don't know, man. It.. It just looked like a gorilla having with a loaf of bread." That imagery made me laugh so hard that I could picture what he was saying. OP never dated any short girls after that incident. That imagery will forever cement in his mind.

I don't get all the buzzwords. It's like she had a resume service write up her bio to get as many hits as she possibly can. Double ear piercings gives her away: she's a feminist.

"BrInG bAcK tRaDiTiOn/CoUrTsHiP"

I firmly stand behind this idea. That being said, only VIRGINS need apply. ONE dick, and you're out. It's off to the convent with you, slut.

Yeah these keep popping up. Usually it's a post-wall woman on tik-tok crying about how she needs a husband and kids now that she's 30+. Her age and graduate degree will tell you what she will demand from the man. 3-7 years older, grad degree, fit, traditional, hawt, etc. She can probably pull those guys IRL but they find out her age and move on to greener pastures so she resorts to online dating.

This is called the mate switching hypothesis. https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2013/02/The-Mate-Switching-Hypothesis-FINAL-PUBLISHED-2017.pdf

The danger with these types of women is that they need you now, but how about later? After playing house for a while and cranking out a few kids? Will she even continue to work out after she gets that ring? She already has her Plan B career in place if she decides to leave.

Pretty for her age (prob top 5% for 34 year olds). Nice sounding profile. I agree, something is…off…here.

It’s possible that she’s a lying chameleon and is embellishing a lot of these views. It’s possible that she was a former corporate nun who now wants to get retired from all that hard work. It’s possible that she was in a LTR with a man that she thought would be her husband, only for him to change his mind and leave her an alpha widow.

So yeah, this is a buyer beware kind of woman. Maybe she’s awesome. Or maybe she’s putting the bait out for a tradcon.

I do find it hilarious that Bumble is encouraging women to say “old traditions are out”. Anyone who uses bumble knows that women can’t even be bothered to try and start a convo with their “match” 90% of the time. When they do, it’s usually a “hi”, after which you’re expected to drive the conversation and all interactions after. Until, of course, they get bored because you haven’t wowed them by message #3. Bumble is basically just the tinder for post-wall girls.