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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 2y ago
Would it kill her to do more than just look at the profile picture? Apparently, it would, as she is collecting them I used to collect Pokemon cards. That is, I would have a good number of them, but I never actually carried out the intended purpose of even having them (doing the whole card battle thing). For her, she probably has not engaged in an actual conversation with any of them. And for the few that she might have exchanged messages, I am willing to bet they lacked any actual participation in a conversation on her part.
And she is no victim of having too many choices. That is a problem of her own making. She could easily limit the number of matches she gets and focus on whether or not she has interest in meeting them. And if the short list is invalidated, move on to the next small pile. Perhaps that could have the same issue of "too many choices," but it might show some actual seriousness on her part. Any step in the right direction is better than no step at all.
The ironic part about using any dating site or app is that the goal of using said site/app is to no longer have a need for it. While users who are serious about finding a relationship may have that as an actual goal, the dating site/app has the goal of making it seem like you have just the perfect opportunity to find your someone around the corner. "It's just a little bit longer, we swear. Hey, you can get even better results by buying the PREMIUM subscription. How about it?" But women like this, she is just the user that these sites and apps want; a carrot that can be dangled as a potential match that just might be the one! And they don't even need to pay her, she gets validation as payment. She wins, the dating apps win, and the guys lose by thinking that messaging her will result in anything other than an empty reply field.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I am tech-savvy but I don't do online dating, because honestly its a wasteland out there.
Also complicating things is I have resources, and if she pays attention that fact gets out. I don't drive a flashy car or wear designer clothes, but I do like watches and you'd be surprised how some women have an eagle-eye for that shit.
I've had more than one dead-eyed-thousand-cock-stare chick say something vaguely approachable to me, but I know where that goes. My motivation just craters because modern women are so fucking lazy and basically shit. Sure, if I was 25 and horny as hell that would be different, but I'm not at that point anymore.
Its just discouraging and while I'm not "walking away" I'm painfully aware of how bad its gotten out there. I still do what I want and not make my outings center on hooking some chick, which is fine. I just don't like the place society and this civilization is at.
Somehow, keep waiting for the other shoe to drop, whatever it is.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 2y ago
There is a large percentage of women that use OLD solely as a tool for self validation. The outcome that they want is what this women is displaying.... a stream of eager dudes hitting on her, while she nonchalantly sits there, a passive and resplendent icon of entitlement and smug self satisfaction. She is NOT actually looking for an LTR or possibly not even a date. She is getting what she wants, which is attention, praise and validation for doing zero. Every girls dream.
Make no mistake, this woman is humble bragging. Don't forget that SHE took the trouble to make this little mini video, and then post it on her socials. She is bragging about all the interest she is getting from dudes. She disguises her narccism and mental disorder by posting on the subject of why its 'so hard to find a good man' - in this weeks episode, 'because there is too much choice'. For women that have no skills or bring no value of any kind, male attention is the currency that they deal in.
She is not quite post wall. The feed will dry up soon enough, and she will soon notice that nobody is interested. THEN she will decide that its time to 'settle down' and she will go looking for Mr Right (beta bucks).
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
It's nothing to brag about if you are a woman, even a fat 3 out of 10 can get lots of matches from thirsty dudes, but only a Chad can hope to get similar results.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 2y ago
Well said. Not only does she get the validation that she craves, the dating apps must love to have customers like her. Because she is the perfect carrot to dangle just ahead of all the users that are looking for an actual relationship. Someone that will make it appear like there is one more potential relationship, but one that will never manifest because she is nowhere near serious about looking for a relationship. And more men will be looking and messaging, thinking that the next chance is around the corner.
I did manage to find my wife with online dating, but I will not say that other men will be able to replicate my success just because I was able to do that. I do recall many cases where there are too many dead ends. In many cases, I found out they were just fake profiles. Those are bad enough. But women like this are even worse, since they are supposedly actual customers, but they have the same response rate as a fake profile. That is, none at all. At least you can understand that a fake profile will either not respond or give you generic bot answers, but this woman? She is just filling up space.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 2y ago
If I saw a 9 or a 10 making that video, she'd have a valid point. It would at least make sense why she's ignoring her lower-smv-than-her matches.
But these above average -at best- chicks are just casually ignoring their equal or better matches, some who are probably the best long term options these chicks will ever be able to capitalize on, and acting like these men are useless when she doesn't have enough to offer herself at first glance.
I do see absolutely retarded openers from some of these men like "what up?" but by and large a lot of these guys are the best she could probably ever get roughly speaking and she's just scrolling through them. Will probably keep them as trophies until she deletes her account.
Doesn't matter to her, she has a perceived pool of infinite options, she'll keep swiping till Chad adds her to his harem and then moves on. She'll be back on the apps after that to rinse and repeat finding occasional Chad nuggets in a sea of unreciprocal matches until she's a spinster wondering where all the good men went
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
Low-effort openers get better results.
That was true for me back around 2002-2004, and from what I've read from several dudes on several forums, it's even more true today.
Why waste the time and effort being clever with something from her profile, especially when she's mids-level attractive, kind of bland, and likely didn't give you much to work with anyway?
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
Shotgun approach.
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
It also rules out chicks who don't have social etiquette. The last thing I want to do is carry the conversation and be a dancing monkey for a braindead bimbo.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Effort is stupid. If she wants to talk to you, she will respond to “hey! How’s it going tonight? I notice you like , me too”. Hell, for Chad, she’ll respond to “wyd?”
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
High effort openers aren't worth it.
They project "tryhard" energy. Women, because they have microwaved walnuts for brains, see effort from men as a sign of being weak.
They don't read all that shit. They look at your photos and make a decision.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 2y ago
@Typo-MAGAshiv @Problematic_Browser
I can see this being the case if your profile is incredibly rock solid and she already wants to fuck from great photos
I'm not one of those guys with fantastic photos for a number of reasons
I've actually had the exact opposite experience you both describe with rich openers. I've had numerous women invite me over within a few messages from them and about 3/4 of them would go on a date and not flake whatsoever
Could be the way I'm doing it irrespective of length/effort but for me it works very well
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 2y ago
I've done both and there are pro's/con's to both approaches.
-Low effort, generic: My go-to line when I was single was a simple "how's your night going?" at the bar while waiting for my drink. Aside from the pro's that other posters pointed out, I'd say the biggest one for me is, it's brainless, so it makes it super easy to approach. If you wait until you have the perfect phrase, with just the right amount of personal detail to show her you're interested without coming off as a stalker, yadda yadda yadda, it can paralyze you. Having a simple line that can be universally applied forces you to approach and humbles you to accept that the woman you're approaching (if it's at a superficial place like a bar or club) is going to base 99% of her decision on her 1-second first impression of how you look (handsome, rich, stylish, whatever) and no amount of Cyrano de Bergerac-style poetry is going to change her mind.
-Cyrano de Bergerac-style poetry This is actually my comfort zone (my witticisms may not rise to the level of literature, but I'm good with words when I need to be :-). I hate approaching, which is why the only way I can break the ice is with a simple generic line that leaves me no excuse to throw it out there. But if there is something unique that I notice, I'll use it. No harm in it.
For me, both approaches have honestly given me about the same results (although after the ice is broken, being able to carry on fun conversations definitely helps rather than generic chitchat about the weather). Making a unique pickup line doesn't erase the fact that it's a pickup line. Most women realize it's still a line and your ultimate aim is still likely a desire to get in her pants (whether you're at a bar or on Tinder). And whether they wish to consider that possibility will be 99% based on your first impression, no matter what you say. No matter what words come out of your mouth, their underlying meaning is "Hello, I wish to fuck you. Do you wish to fuck me?" If they decide Yes or Maybe, they'll continue the conversation regardless of how you started it. And if it's a No, they'll move on.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 2y ago
Every man has to play the cards he's dealt. I believe it was Voltaire who said something like, "Give me five minutes to talk past my ugly face and I can bed the Queen of France."
@Typo-MAGAshiv
@Problematic_Browser
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
To be fair, the Queen of France is an inveterate whore.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 2y ago
Well sure... but they weren't bedding ugly, witless commoners. Handsome witless commoners and ugly witty commoners, perhaps. Very few men were dealt a handful of aces, so every man has to seek success in his own way by playing the cards he's dealt. For some men, getting women is as easy as entering a room. For others, much more effort is required.
I know that you know this, but for the new guys:
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 2y ago
As my bank account grows, I find women find me increasingly witty and handsome. Funny how that works...
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago
Brevity may be the soul of wit, but a fat and generous wallet can charm the panties off.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Not that I'm envious, because I have resources myself -- but I gotta ask, do you ever think their attention is so artificial that it dampens your enthusiasm? For me it just kills it if I know what they're angling for.
If not, that's cool, just throwing it out there.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 2y ago
Absolutely. When I finally got into my lucrative career, it was such a 180 degree turn around in women's attention that for a while I didn't date because it weirded me out. I mean, I was the same person I was the year before, but now all of a sudden, women were fawning over me for being the same person I've always been.
I do think a little part of me, the part that used to adore women, died once I realized what women really want, and how easy it is to attract them. It's not just the money. After a few years, I improved my game enough (and my appearance somewhat) that I could chat up a woman and spark her interest without even telling her what I do. While that's a little bit better than being a complete gold digger, it's still not ideal. Being able to make you laugh is more important than having good character and morals? Well, okay, I guess. I won't throw you out of bed, but it did make me despair about ever finding a good woman.
Did you go through something similar? How did you deal with it?
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I'm still dealing with it, which is why I was curious. I'm not mad/angry at women in general, more -- disappointed. Maybe I'll bump into that unicorn, but for now I keep my expectations low because they're seldom exceeded. And I mean this in the terms of loyalty and femininity which seem to be in short supply.
I don't like talking about what I do, only because the "interview" process begins. It was always there before, but it intensifies once they get a whiff that there's something else there. I swear to god, I've even thought about just saying I do something totally trades-like or whatever, just to throw them off. Fuck, I might even just say I mow lawns. Then go on about how this one mower is so awesome and stuff, hahaha.
What also complicates things is I've been approached by people to do "investments" that I have zero interest in. I don't need to have that following me around, but apparently the few women that have sussed things out have been talking.
I might just move, lol. We'll see, this is a bit transitional where I'm at anyway.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 2y ago
Agreed. Not so much anger as disappointment. When you realize how superficial a woman's attraction to a man generally is, it's disappointing.
My advice: don't move. Don't be driven out of a place you enjoy living because a bunch of gold digging ho's are after you. It took me a while to adapt but here's my view now:
There are good women out there. They're rare, but they exist. As you get better in recognizing the games that women play, you'll get better at recognizing the genuine ones out there.
While money is enough to attract a woman, if you don't want a gold digger, you should continue to develop the rest of your life. After all, if you want a woman who's not after you for money, what else do you offer her? Even after I started in my career, I continued to improve my appearance, my personality, other parts of my life, etc. And I stayed true to my beliefs and didn't become a total player like lots of guys in my position do. Because I figured that if/when I met a good woman, a woman who's not interested in a rich fukboi, then I needed to make sure I was a genuine good guy too. Otherwise, why should she choose me? Believe it or not, there are women that aren't attracted to male bimbos, and will look for a good guy. But you need to be that good guy if you want a chance with her.
Interviews are annoying. But as a general piece of advice, you are in control of your interactions with women. If a woman starts an interview, shut it down. You can do that without coming off as a dick by joking around with the answers. If she asks how much money you make, tell her you're the only Fortune 500 CEO who draws a welfare check and ask her advice on how you can approach your Board for a raise. Turning the question around with an inane response usually moves the conversation to another topic. View the interview as an opportunity to play a game of mad libs. If a woman persists in coming back to the interview, at some point, say "nice meeting you, I have to get back to my boys" and leave.
Only problem is that now that tech people make a lot of money it doesn't work as well any more. I'll need to find a new profession to lie about. I once knew a guy who was a navy fighter pilot who told women he was an accountant because he was sick of all the girls hitting on him. I think I might use accountant from now on too :-)
I have no compunction about lying about this, because you're not lying to exaggerate, you're lying to stay private. And besides, there's no real downside. Realistically, if a woman was still interested in you when you say you mow lawns, and then you confess that "actually, I'm a billionaire surgeon convict arms dealer", no woman is going to be pissed that you lied and leave. So I wholeheartedly recommend lying in this instance!
Hope these points help. On balance, you're in a far better position to find a woman than you were before you were rich. Yes, there are lots of flies buzzing around you, and you need to spend some time learning how to swat them away. But you also bring much more to the table for when a good woman does cross your path. There are amazing women, who are beautiful and smart, but also feminine, kind, and loyal, who want to find one good man to spend their lives with. Only problem is that they're so rare, that if you want one of them, you need to be one of the top 1% of men, in almost all aspects (not just wealth, but appearance, intelligence, personality, morals, character, etc) too. So yes, you'll have to do some work sorting through a bunch of riffraff, but at least now, you have the potential to be worthy of the true gems. That's a trade I'd personally make any day.
GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Digesting all of this and wanted to thank you for taking the time.
Appreciate it, brother.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Here is her problem:
She is getting the outcomes in the dating market that she deserves, but not the ones that she wants.
The brutal thing about the market is that it gives you what you deserve. Men understand this lesson because nobody lies to us about why we're failing nor do they have sympathy for us when we do. Most men who have ever lived did not reproduce, whereas most women have. (https://www.livescience.com/47976-more-mothers-in-human-history.html)
For women (specifically this one), society lies to them about their worth in the dating market and conflates their SMV with MMV. When this average Annie complains about men giving her minimal effort and never offering commitment, it's not an indictment of men... It's an indictment of her.
If a woman is unable to secure a partner, it is because her demands are too high for the value she's offering. If she constantly pursues chads, she will get just enough effort from them to keep her in orbit and - if she's lucky - get a bone tossed into her on a slow Wednesday afternoon. Social media has only exacerbated this problem by broadening a woman's exposure, giving her the illusion of having access to a wider market of chads.
The illusion works because women only see one side of the equation - their broadened access. The part that they don't see - Chad having access to not only hotter women, but more willing women who are average (because men will fuck down), makes competition harder for average women.
This is why her inbox is full of low-effort messages - Chad has to save his real effort for the women he wants and all that's left for this average Annie is afterthoughts. Sadly, Annie is stupid and she only sees the wall of messages and assumes they're all men 'trying their best' to get with her.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2y ago
Fun analysis, but let's put into perspective that the dating market of today, heck the society of today, is unprecedented in human history. You are correct that women bred more readily than men but this was because the feminists have a point: Women (and most men for that matter, but they don't care about that) didn't have property rights or the ability to make many choices in their lives. The powerful men, not the handsome ones, got multiple wives. I like to point out to feminists who think they can define masculinity as alpha males to protect and provide for her only undermine their ideal of men respecting them as equals. Ironically, that may be why a “what’s up” chat to such a woman gets her juices flowing more than a blue pill soliloquy. The dating market today is a new concept for humanity and they don’t know how to handle it similar to attempts by the USA to “export democracy” to places on the globe that have never experienced or desired individual political freedom.
Women’s equality also undermines the notion of human’s choosing mates for desirable characteristics in the first place in that, consider, if after eons of men living in a competitive environment to survive and breed while women lived as protected alpha male chattel, wouldn’t that have some lasting genetic legacy on mental abilities along with physical appearance? If intelligence is not an inheritable trait, why not marry a handsome/pretty idiot rather than a college professor? And that may explain why so many women want chads and put intelligence/character secondary and then gripe when their own choices backfire on them. The Patriarchal notion that choices have consequences. Humans have clearly evolved intelligence compared to other animal species on the planet because intelligence has personal survival value.
Modern westerners confuse “chivalry” with “courtship”. Courtly knights of the past held open the doors for courtly (hence the term) “ladies” whose wealthy “noble” fathers handed out huge dowries to the knights who pleased his daughter. It’s similar to a police sergeant getting to marry a politician’s daughter because it’s probably a good idea to have someone on the force in case he gets nabbed doing naughty stuff. One chad I know married a wealthy man’s daughter and he’s set for life and particularly, his kids, grandkids, etc. will all be millionaires.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 2y ago
This post is gold. She has no idea, none at all, how men operate. She thinks she's a 10 because 'much interest' from hot looking guys on OLD. What she doesn't realise (because what would it gain her to think rationally??) is these same guys posting 'what's up' at her, are doing the same to about 30 chicks per night. That's what's happening.
This was true even before OLD. I grew up in the old days, before internet. And I would sometimes hear women in my friendship group gushing about how they had been hit on the night before. They would gush all wide eyed and wonderous about some chadly dude that had singled her out and told her that she was the most beautiful girl in the world.
I didn't really have the heart to tell them the truth - the truth is that this is exactly what we do when we go hunting. We target for 4-8's, because the odds are better. This is how young men spend their weekends and evenings. We studiously avoid the 9-10s and deliberately go looking for plain looking women that are giving off slutty vibes. And then we hit as many as we can in one evening with the best game that we've got. We've got all sorts of techniques - the negging, the big opener, the deliberately insincere over-compliment. We're hard core. We don't care about rejection. We don't care if you're average. We don't care if you are really boring and stupid, we will pretend to listen to your nonsense if we think there's decent odds of getting into your pants. We. Just. Want. Action. Lots of it.
I really wanted to tell these girls that if a guy you don't know in the club or bar has singled you out and is laying on his best game, telling her that she ought to be in movies etc.........he does not really think that she ought to be in movies. He has clocked that you are beneath him in SMV, that you are insecure, that you are sort of average and BECAUSE you are rather plain and insecure, you will only get the validation that you need by slutting around. A good hunter can smell insecurity and daddy issues at 40 paces.
And if he doesn't get the signals, in a few minutes time, he will laying down his best game with another chick. And then another, and another.
It's only got much much worse with the internet. Which is why we are looking at this 6.5's feed, and seeing an endless stream of guys who look to be above her in SMV hitting on her.
If only she knew the truth.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 2y ago
An old friend of mine who was a player extraordinaire back in the day didn't just have canned pick up lines and techniques. He had canned dates set to go. He always had women shuffling through the pipeline as one of many plates, and so he had a set of go-to dates, like dinner at X, drinks at Y, etc. he even had set weekend "adventures", like a daytrip to the [same] cute tourist town by the lake, or a weekend in city X where he'd take them to the [same] hip lounge and the [same] quaint cafe.
But the women were all convinced that he had planned this perfect weekend just for her which is why she's so much more special than the other women they knew he was also fucking. We used to privately joke about it and had names for his various date templates. (But I still played consummate wingman: when they came back from their trip and the woman would be waxing poetic about the amazing trip, I'd pretend to be surprised about the details, like I'd never heard them before, and what a swell guy my friend was for planning something so special).
whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Bruh! She's a 4. Why are all those guys matching with her? Did I miss something? I wouldn't even take the time to fart on her.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
4s have functioning vaginas. If a low-effort "u up" can get you a Tuesday morning blowjob, the math works out
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 2y ago
I tend to agree - I would have zero interest in her. I only wrote 6.5 to be generous, and I'm guessing that a lot of dudes would like smash and dash her. Not me though.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 2y ago
She's not beautiful, but from what's visible I would classify her as cute. Granted, all we can see is her head, and she's wearing makeup (and may be using filters), but I see no reason to relegate her to "homely" territory.
It's possible that she's fat, or that she's hiding massive flaws with makeup and filters, but I try to avoid making assumptions in the absence of indicators: countless people have made assumptions about me over the years, and over 99% of them are completely wrong. As a redpill dude yourself I'm sure your experience is similar.
Anyway, there's a tendency in the manosphere to downgrade women's physical appearance when the real issue is that of attitude. It's no secret that even a beautiful woman can be a turbo-bitch, but that doesn't mean she doesn't look good.
As for her apparent unwillingness to "settle" based on her rejection (and implied denigration) of men who would be slumming to be with her, I have a thought or two. (Big surprise, right?)
We've all seen an endless parade of average-at-best women complaining about being single while slamming men and flaunting their 47-point checklists. Many of them make a point of saying that their concerned friends and relatives tell them that they're delusional, at which point they tell their audience that they refuse to "settle."
"Settle" is a funny word, because it implies a sense of getting less than what she deserves. The problem (as we all know), is that there's a giant mismatch between what she thinks she deserves and what she actually deserves. The price of a good or service is determined by the buyer - not the seller. Asking for a man's commitment is just like approaching any other potential investor: investing in one thing means not investing in another, so she needs to convince him that she's has the best long-term ROI of his options. What's more, he decides what constitutes ROI.
[When I met my wife, her crappy car, crappy job, small apartment, and high school education weren't impediments. Those things simply had no relevance to me. Cars come and go, I made good money, she was going to move to where I was stationed, and a degree is a means to an end rather than an end in itself (she has a master's degree now, anyway).]
But too many young women don't get that: they think that by declaring that they only want "the best" that they would be "setting" if they pair off with a man on their level. Often those women acquire the traits that women value in men with no understanding that men value completely different things in women... their hypergamy works against them, because they think their mate value is far higher than it is and they end up pricing themselves out of the market.
I know you know this, but it's not "settling" for a woman to accept her best option. Thats what the market is telling her is her no-kidding worth in the MMP (Marriage Marketplace: not to be confused the SMP: Sexual Marketplace).
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 2y ago
well written piece. I agree with all of it. Possibly with exception to this bit...
" It's no secret that even a beautiful woman can be a turbo-bitch, but that doesn't mean she doesn't look good."
You write EVEN a beautiful woman can be a turbo-bitch ...it's my experience that beautiful women are ESPECIALLY likely to be turbo-bitches. Because they can be.