Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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Quarterpipe_Quincy 4y ago
This red pill gold
Dunkman83 4y ago
i love this song
thedukeinc 4y ago
A woman says “I need my partner to be atleast 6’ height, 6 figure salary, 6” peen”- People accept it as mere ‘preferences’ When a man dates a younger woman, he is creepy, he is grooming, he is taking advantage of etc etc. Wow!!
Ok-Adeptness4906 4y ago
Everyone who gets married settles. Yes, most of us would prefer a Sophia Vergara look-alike with an IQ of 170, and several billion $$$ in the bank - but realistically we know that ain't gonna happen. So if we get married, we settle.
Rayzor_debiker 4y ago
This is such a good read. Haha.
I (33M) have a FWB and she (37F and SINGLE MOM of 3 KIDS) has been pouty lately. She leaves my messages on read and barely talks to me. She wants me to commit but i dont want to and she knows it.
Sometimes i want to just straight up tell her that I'm never going to commit and she missed the commitment train when she was on the CC before we met.
cuggwy 4y ago
The one wishing she could return to her first love actually made me feel sorry for her. She is self aware of the mistakes she made (a rare occurrence) and now lives a life of regret.
waveformcollapse 4y ago
so much Herpes gathered in one linguistic location
ATHdelphinos 4y ago
37 is already too late for her.
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I find posts like this to be incredibly useful for translation skills. When doing so, you must look at not only what's being said, but what's NOT being said. You must also look for the usual euphemisms and womanese.
takeaways:
--Women do not want to admit basic facts, no matter how much evidence exists to establish those facts. Women will avoid and ignore those facts even when faced with irrefutable overwhelming evidence and even when they have no choice but to acknowledge the existence of the facts.
Example: women being told to stay in unsatisfying relationship because of severe relationship options is dismissed as "red pill shit".
--women filter everything through their feelings. Facts, circumstances, other people, and situations are always evaluated based on how a woman feels about them. Decisions are made based on feelings, not on concrete facts and circumstances. The efficacy and moral correctness of courses of action are assessed on how they make women feel, not how well they will work or whether they will serve certain other objectives.
The lack of self reflection and honest self evaluation is just astonishing.
--women rarely accept any responsibility for their own outcomes. A woman's situation is always someone else's fault. If her marriage broke up, it's always the husband's fault. (witness the woman whose husband left her, but it was "for the best" because he was an addict and had all other kinds of problems. Not one bit of self reflection in there about what her part in the marriage's failure was).
I always want to ask these women: "So what is your responsibility here?"
--if a relationship is to end, it is always, always because the man is at fault and always because he is not meeting the woman's wants and needs. In WomanWorld, relationship failure is always a result of the man's faults, foibles, and failures.
--a woman over 35 can easily get pretty much any relationship situation they want, except marriage. If a woman wants remarriage, she will have to either (a) be above average in physical attractiveness; or (b) lower her standards substantially.
These women have to admit that either (a) they just aren't attractive enough for the men they want; and/or (b) if they want marriage they will have to settle very deeply.
That's why these women are where they are. They are unattractive. They don't have sufficient relationship skills. They don't qualify for the men they want. Or, they have to settle more than they want to to get what they want.
--these women all think they can still date like they're 23 years old and childless. They all still think they're as attractive as they were at their peaks.
--these women really beleive they can't get husbands because men their age are allegedly trying to date and marry women in their 20s. "These men SHOULD be dating women their own age!" So - it's men's fault that these women cannot get husbands. These women are single and unmarried and dissatisfied with their lives, and .... it's men's fault.
My theory on this is that women can build around 85% of the bridge, but just cannot bring themselves to complete the bridge and get themselves all the way to the logical conclusions they need to reach. Guys: I'm over 50 years old. I know a lot, A LOT, of divorced women and women who have remarried after divorce. Here's what is almost universally true:
1) These women always have some glaring problem that causes their perpetual singleness. Either it's unresolved mental/emotional issues; or very poor relationship skills; or an extreme inability to self-evaluate and self-reflect. If a woman has made it to 30 without any man asking her to marry him, something went very, very wrong somewhere.
2) If a woman wants remarriage (and most do), they have to be either (a) above average physical attractiveness, or (b) they have to settle very deeply, deeper than they did for their first marriages.
3) These women can easily get anything they want short of marriage. They can easily get sex partners and can still get sex from very attractive men. But they want marriage because that's where the status and security is. Remarriage means a legal claim on their husbands' income and resources. That's primarily why they want it.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
How awful must the woman who was left by the addict with lots of other issues be ? For him to walk out . Yikes
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Yes. What were her issues? What made an addict get healthy enough to leave HER?
mustangfrank 4y ago
Better yet, why date/fuck an addict, criminal, thug, gangbanger etc? There are plenty of good men out there, so how did she end up with a loser?
Answer: she wanted him.
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It's kind of like the crazy chick who fucks like an animal. You know she's only good for a ride but it's a fun one.
The difference is that most women don't realize the caveat and think they can coddle the bad boy into a husband. Wrong, bitch. It's the female version of captain save a ho trying to make a ho a housewife.
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 4y ago
To expand a bit on that:
Most likely unsatisfying by their own doing. If some effort was made on her side, so much could be achieved. But no, she's a queen; she must not do any effort. Her being pampered and coddled is the bare minimal.
I love how the last one is willing to point the finger of some of the blame not towards men but towards women. Other women, of course. Not herself. Never herself.
When an addict decides that you're dead weight, that's telling something.
The conclusion would be that they're insufferable - and they cannot agree to that. Either as a self-defense mechanism or because their premise of being amazing is wrong, the last 15% is unachievable to them.
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CA-GMOW 4y ago
I laughed at that one.
It's literally a girl crying that she missed her train while partying. And not it's time to blame it in the other girls who are doing that.
Women need to understand that once men are in their 30s it's time for them to party now (if they have their shit together).
Where once the girls were able to be with anyone, now the guys can do it in their 30s. While that power diminishes for women.
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"I understand that those are facts, but they make me feel bad, so I am going to ignore them or blame them on someone else"
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 4y ago
Maybe that's why there are fewer women on STEM fields. Besides, understanding how gravity works makes it harder to ignore wharever is staring back at you in the mirror. A waist band is no miracle maker. Shouldn't have had that double caramel latte, after all.
heyyy-kiddo 4y ago
STEM is hard and requires work. Very few women want that and those that do is not out of a call or gift or curiosity.....for most it's the $
In STEM dudes are really passionate about the craft and usually very well prepared to endure the huge ass curriculum + difficulty.
Also it's hands-on and practical to a great extent.....has hard rules and you need to be creative withing the Universe's rules.
cautionTomorrow555 4y ago
Back when I was in university I saw so many women ingesting 1200 calories in drinks a day either alcohol or Starbucks which their body could deal with when they were young and active, but now that they are middle aged they became fat because of it. Who would have thought that two to four bottles of wine or something similar a week would add up fast?
[deleted] 4y ago
In the law, we have a saying: Hard cases make bad law.
This isn't necessarily true. I think it's more appropriate to say "Hard cases can make unfair results" and "Hard cases can make us feel bad".
Since the founding of the Republic, there has been an inexorable march toward maximum individual liberty. More liberty means less accommodation to others and more demand for "fairness". More liberty means less to the greater good and everything to the individual good, to my own personal good. I've noticed this is directly tied toward bringing women on equal par and footing with men in every significant way.
Women approach every issue, every situation, every other person, through the following prisms:
1) how does this make me feel?
and
2) is this fair?
Women in law approach legal issues the same way. "This just makes me feel bad" and "this seems unfair to me".
This is why we have had a breakdown in law and justice - because there are always results in which someone doesn't get what they want, or someone has to pay, or pay more than they think they should, or there's a loser.
And women just go "that makes me feel bad!" "That's not fair!"
But life is like that. Things don't always go our way. We feel bad about some things. We have to do hard things. We have to put up with injustices and deal with them head on, and integrate the results into our lives. Life isn't fair. And women's infiltration into law and justice has skewed things to where we try to reach results that "everyone can feel good about" and that we think are "fair". The result has been that men pay, men lose, men get the short end of the stick, every time. Men have to restrict this or that thing about themselves. Men have to do more, pay more, or get by with less - because we have to make women feel good, and women demand that everything "needs to be fair".
The Rolling Stones were right - you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you might find you get what you need.
THAT is fairness, if you ask me.
DicamVeritatem 4y ago
I noticed a long time ago that female judges are more likely to allow their “feels” to take precedence over the law. Women, at their core, have a different sense of justice than do men.
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 4y ago
Another very interesting take. While not the U.S., I've seen my country follow the same path - and things are hardly getting better. Always someone with a shovel to keep digging after reaching rock bottom.
[deleted] 4y ago
Sir, ifyou are not from the US, you must be from an English speaking country or English is your first language. I must say that your command of the language is simply unparalleled here at WAATGM.
Kudos!
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 4y ago
Thanks, man! English is actually my second language, but I've been learning it since I was 9 years old. And whenever I'm writing with some time to spare, I try to double check what I wrote - it's been a while since I've written in english with some frequency.
Daman_1985 4y ago
They are seeing the truth, but they are denying it.
There is nothing wrong in the fact to have a single life, I think it's better that than to stay on a bad relationship.
Which I find surreal, and another double standard, it's a lot of the comments on the image are people that decided to follow their own path and focus on a single life (the concept sounds familiar?). If they do that it's good, if we do that it's bad. As always.
finger_milk 4y ago
I think if every man knew how bad it is to be in a bad relationship, they'd do everything in their power to not entertain damaged women or women who are clearly not good enough for him.
fantasticfantasy69 4y ago
It is better to dwell in a corner of a housetop, Than in a house shared with a contentious woman. - Proverbs 25:24
anthologyxxviii 4y ago
Yeah when women wait too long and have too many options then we all lose. I'm almost mid-30's and not actively looking anymore besides sex. Inviting a woman into my heart doesn't feel comfortable anymore because they can't be trusted to no change their feelings, IME.
upsidedownbackwards 4y ago
Reasons why women above 30 aren't finding men their age:
Their beauty and fertility are well on their way out.
Guys that old have all been either been burned by, or had someone close to them burned by women.
They started saying the quiet part loud with beta bux. It's no longer subtle at all.
Their standards are still WAY too high.
Most guys don't want to be old dads. Having your kid graduate college when you're 60 isn't all that appealing.
Guys have established themselves alone. They've had their living space, their bathroom, their hobbies, their foods for a long time at this point. Pretty set in our ways. Someone is going to have to really offer something special for us to have someone coming into our lives and changing all that. They have to bring a lot to the table to get past that.
At 40 86% of women have had a child. Unless you're part of the 14% you're not standing a chance of a relationship. Child free is one thing, but raising someone else's kid is not something most guys want to do.
By that age they're damaged. Most of us are a little bit, but because women use emotion in so much more of their lives it's far more amplified.
We are going to be compared to every other man in their life. We need the best attributes of every guy they've been with before and none of the faults. "Uhg, JERRRY used to leave the toilet seat up". Hell, you'll be compared to the best features of her FRIENDS relationships.
They're realizing they want what they can't have so their entitlement skyrockets.
vtec__ 4y ago
this..i dont consider myself that much of a hedonist but i do enjoy my freedom. i like being able to go wherever i want and buy whatever i want. i dont have to ask for permission to buy stuff with my own money..haha
upsidedownbackwards 4y ago
I feel exactly the same. I feel like being single for so long as made me pretty selfish because I can do whatever I want. I don't think I could handle someone spending my money or telling me I couldn't spend it on something I want and that's going to come up in any LTR at some point. I don't think I'd be a very receptive team player/payer anymore.
vtec__ 4y ago
yeah man, i mean i wouldnt be opposed to it but as you get older..you get colder. ive got to do/experience some pretty cool things but it does get lonely. i went on a road trip a few months ago and banged out a few diff girls across the midwest. being alone is alot easier to deal with than potentially divorce raped
_No-Waifu-No-Laifu_ 4y ago
All good points but these two are huge for me. Ive been mistreated by girls and women much my life, especially as a boy being abused, molested, and raped by them. I always tried to never hold it against them all, but then I see similar evil inflicted on men and boys everywhere. Even when those men and boys have done everything right. Its sickening, honestly and it this point I realize so many of them are like that when there's no immediate and severe consequences for it, that it might as well be AWALT.
And once I was chasing the dollar and was a grown man instead of a captive victim, oddly enough I couldn't seem to get much interest, and when I did it was fleeting and she always left for the next Mr right now. And it this point its been so long since I've touched a woman that the expectation I'd upturn my life just for her to still act like its not good enough just doesn't appeal.
DarthBroker 4y ago
lol i love to see it
Saianna 4y ago
I love the last one. Blame everyone and everything. EVEN THAT ROCK I PASSED BY 5 MINUTES AGO!111... But not me!
Old men? that's definitely some kind of conspiracy of younger girls trying to make my life more miserable by liking older men! Definitely!
xD
But.. Somber tone here.. Imagine they have all this trouble now, while they ignored all normal guys, while chasing after those turbo-chads for most of their lives. Now they get to experience the feel of being excluded from love and relationship and.. ain't that rosy now, ain't it? I wish i could laugh in their faces.. Am i bad person?
GentleHawk1 4y ago
No sane men in the world will work their ass off in his 20s and early 30s to marry an old aunt ejected from carousel in their late 30's to 40's.
On the day that marrying younger women is prohibited (like some these old hags wants) men will no longer work hard, they will work only for their own livelihood.
fantasticfantasy69 4y ago
Nope.
thisisnotyourconcern 4y ago
100 people like a post where a woman goes on to state she's having a child on her own.
Insanity, absolute fucking insanity.
steveguster 4y ago
The Prison Industrial Complex must have been on an upvoting spree.
kapriece 4y ago
I like other men were ignored in HS. I have no hard feelings about it. The women chased older men and some got married right after HS. Years later and a bunch of kids I get the "hey big head" messages on FB. SMH. I know some of y'all can relate. A whole offensive line in my DMs after 30. The guys they were with all failures and I'm doing very well. No thank you. You won't hit a buzzer beater on me.
mustangfrank 4y ago
The story of Sandra.
In High School, there was an attractive girl named Sandra. She was at least 2 levels above me. She had curvy hips, nice breasts and a great face and body. I knew I didn’t have a chance with her, so I didn’t make a move on her. I had moved to Houston for better job opportunities, which I found. 5 years later, I returned home to visit my parents and friends. I was walking down the street where all the night clubs were. I passed by a bar. I could easily see through the window at a woman, no more than 6 feet away from me. I looked at her, and she was rough around the edges. She looked haggard. I thought to myself,”That girl is ratted out”. I then realized, it was Sandra. She looked real bad, so bad that at this time in my life, I would have been the one who would have rejected her.
RedBlow22 4y ago
You won't hit a buzzer beater on me
Best line of the week, you Savage!
[deleted] 4y ago
Agreed. Great mental image. I'm picturing a half-court shot as the buzzer wails being fucking denied by the likes of Shaq.
kapriece 4y ago
Thank you sir
Joaquino7997 4y ago
Based on what I've read, it looks like PetSmart is getting ready to make a fortune in 2022 and beyond on these leftover women...
maruadventurer 4y ago
Don't forget to take a long position in Gallo. They own the boxed wine market. :)
couldnotjointhedance 4y ago
This isn't even sarcasm. Morgan Stanley famously published market research (example link) a few years back stating that by 2030 the biggest retail market sector will be older single women. They predicted one of the biggest growth markets is in female "anti-aging" and "beauty" products.
CarpAndTunnel 4y ago
....but where will those ladies get the money to spend on those products? Traditionally, the man makes money & the woman spends it.
fantasticfantasy69 4y ago
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
No amount of those can save them. It's "genetics", after all. See how they like it now?
NBA_MSG 4y ago
Drives me nuts when women say that men should "age gracefully." Bitch you're spending a lot of your paycheck trying to avoid aging at all so I don't want to hear it
cautionTomorrow555 4y ago
They should "age gracefully" and accept they are never going to have kids instead of getting fertility treatments and egg freezing.
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Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
Best comment on the thread!
Loud_Read1414 4y ago
We are entering an age in which there will be a large number of highly resentful shipwrecked women around on whom reality will snap back at like the crack of a whip. The outcomes of this are not yet clear, but I doubt it's good news.
partysandwich 4y ago
The only clear course of action is to profit from that group
cautionTomorrow555 4y ago
If you thought Karens were bad before imagine how bad they will be now I feel sorry for retail and food service employees.
One-Move 4y ago
They all vote, they will demand action from daddy government
_No-Waifu-No-Laifu_ 4y ago
Which will fail at some point. 60% of USD was made in the last two years. Women take a lifetime double from the government that men are able to contribute. Im not even getting into our serious immigration and culturalproblems; that alone is doomed to fail and trying to squeeze more blood out of the turnip to fund burnout loser women will just accelerate it.
polishknightusa 4y ago
The problem is that daddy government has been stretched to the limits: There's cheap labor immigration (and the cost of such in all the programs to raise their kids.) Effectively, a career woman today including one of the single mothers by sperm bank above are just as saddled up as many married men providing for a SAH wife. Wages are lower due to more workers, costs are higher, and the state needs more money to deal with the fallout: The high crime rates, prisons, infrastructure collapse, debt management, and so on.
There's just no money left for 1970's Swedish style goodies anymore. We're getting close to C.H.U.D. and Walking Dead apocalypse events. Store shelves are bare (granted, this is the pandemic but still, it doesn't bode well for unlimited goodie handouts.)
Consider the "stimulus payments" we received in the mail. Something like, say, $1500 or so. The budget for that was something like $10,000 per capita meaning that out of the $10,000 that the budget spent, we got about 15% of it. The otehr 85% went to... other stuff.
Whatever goodies feminists wanted to get, they'll pay at least 3X out of their own taxes. Welcome to equality, gals!
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_No-Waifu-No-Laifu_ 4y ago
I believe you but you have further reading one the inflation deal? Ive found the oft cited inflation numbers dubious at best because all my day to day expenses have increased far, far more than the ~6% I often hear cited. Food, gas, and rent alone has gone up about 25% already.
vtec__ 4y ago
the real inflation has been about 10% a year since 2009 or so. the fed manipulates the numbers by averaging HUGE quantites of SKU/items but when you track the things we actually need its about 10% a year.
http://www.chapwoodindex.org/
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Visible-Ad7732 4y ago
Would a world war help the situation?
Cos that's where the world seems to be headed towards
HolyGourdofJerusalem 4y ago
funny how a couple of people critique others, dismissing it as "red pill shit"
easy to dismiss what one doesn't care to acknowledge - the reality that men are attracted to youth and beauty, and an older man with the means to attract both won't settle for someone his age, ESPECIALLY if he wants to raise a family
PhantasyBoy 4y ago
Crabs in a bucket - can’t have someone realising they’ve been lied to, and making the best of it.
TheGalator 4y ago
What exactly does red pill shit mean?
PTfan 4y ago
I will always pick a woman that gives me time to decide if I want kids. I’m not dating someone and knocking the up in 6 months. That’s asking for a literal life trap
CentralAdmin 4y ago
Funny how women say they should never settle for less than what they deserve but the advice to men is to settle. If she is only attracted to tall, good looking, wealthy men she should get one. But woe be unto men who desire younger, more fertile women.
There was one who said that men are open to having kids in their 30s but they don't want to be pressured. They want a committed relationship first. This was how it used to be with women and sex. And even they are realising that it's logical for a man to want to, say, date for a few years and get married before having a kid. The women are the ones on limited time.
They are slowly realising the red pill was right about what would happen if they wasted their youth and chased tingles. These women had the emotional maturity and foresight of children, the entitlement of women like half their age and still think they are special enough to beat the odds.
PaulWrit 4y ago
They don't deserve anything. No one does. If you want something go for it. But don't expect it to be handed to you on a platter.
This is what wahmen don't understand. Or they do and choose to ignore it. They want a tall successful man. Nothing wrong with that. But they don't know how to appeal to such a man. These wahmen are invisible to those kind of men. The same way we were invisible to them in their prime.
The saying I wasn't good enough for you in your prime, you're not good enough for me in your decline comes to mind.
umockdev 4y ago
That's my stance on the topic. Generally I would be open to having children (even though I am fully aware of the current dating scene and climate outlook), but it needs to be an iron-clad relationship first. If you ever find out enough about your partner to be in a 99% confidence interval, you'll have to invest a lot of time.
You'll need a variety of different issues and situations to occur before you can be fairly certain that it's not going to shit. Things like moving in together and seeing how you get along when you live together, going on vacations, how issues are resolved, etc...
And this is where my stance nudges towards not getting any kids, ever. I am 30 now. Suppose I find a girlfriend right now, I'd still want to wait at least 3-4 years before even thinking about having a kid. But to be completely honest, I don't necessarily want to have my first kid at 35. Until this point I have also not considered the age of the potential girlfriend, and if she's in the same age bracket, then that is going to pose problems. Not saying it's impossible, but definitely not easy either. I have heard enough stories and seen enough in my social circle.
SarcasticRidley 4y ago
Hypocrisy? No way...
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 4y ago
It's worse than that. The advice to settle is given to women (and men) who *can't find* what they're looking for. These women are talking about men who *can* attract younger, hotter women. And they're still shaming them for exercising that preference.
JohnnySkidmarx 4y ago
The feminists don't like when the "red pill shit" = "the truth".
PaulWrit 4y ago
Who cares what they like. Treat them as spam pop ups. Ignore and forget they exist.
V_M 4y ago
When does that equation not apply?
[deleted] 4y ago
Honestly, that was the best part of this post for me. The couple times that OP's own thoughts and experiences evoked a disgusted 'red pill' comment from some bitter feminist.... It's like the feeling of having a fresh beer sat in front of you. Ahhhhhhhh..... how refreshing.
polishknightusa 4y ago
I rather liked the way the OP referred to the primary reason she wanted to scuttle a healthy relationship as "sexual connection". It's my guess that's "the tingles". If the guy was totally horrid, she wouldn't have dated him in the first place. The reality of life is that she's not getting any younger and neither are the guys she desires. The "train" for tingle chad came and left in her 20's.
This scenario reminds me of the film "Shallow Hal" that portrayed a plain looking Jack Black who couldn't settle for anything less than a hot woman. Men know how to "get it on" which might mean being creative: Use our imagination, ask her to dress up in some nice outfits, do the "thing we like" and so on. Men MAKE relationships work.
It's strange that women in the past were supposed to perform that role and largely did: They "took care" of their men and a happy home. They accepted a frumpy guy who was a good provider and learned to love him. Now it seems as if they're sort of dead inside from lack of personal drive and need men to keep them going.
Another analogy: My daughter can be a light eater and I simply told my wife: "Let her starve and then she'll get an appetite." My wife was horrified but I slowly brought her around. We may have generations of women who are so used to be spoon fed, that they've lost the ability for basic motivation.
kingsitri 4y ago
This. This is what I've personally experienced. I've always blamed social media and "TikTok" for it but it seems that women in general these days lack a drive and aren't motivated to do anything. It feels like it comes on a man to get them excited or improve their mood when they themselves aren't interested in anything.
PaulWrit 4y ago
Why should I bother to try and improve her mood? What's in it for me?
Land_of_the_Losers the-niceguy.com 4y ago
I'm pretty sure that's just blood rushing into the genitals rather than some magical signal from angels that your destiny is about to forever be fulfilled.
Well in some women's cases, it is gonna be fulfilled, but YMMV.
upsidedownbackwards 4y ago
It's our body releasing a whole bunch of chemicals into us so we'll ignore the flaws in someone to reproduce. It's our lizard brain's way to try to override rational thought/choices with "this person makes me so happy RIGHT NOW!".
It's how you feel 45 seconds before the post nut clarity hits ya.
1st10Amendments 4y ago
Hate to say it, and this comment alone would get me banned from any woman-oriented sub, but isn’t the fact she had like three orgasms in five years HER fault? I mean, I am responsible for every orgasm I have ever had. I have had very few instances when I wanted one but was incapable of achieving one. The rest were all voluntarily achieved.
For me, it requires physically stimulating certain body parts, with or without physical attraction or an emotional connection, although both help, of course.
If a woman focused on the stimulation of her lady bits, even if she had to do some of it herself, she could reach the Promised Land more often, ISTM. If she COMMUNICATED to her partner what she wants/needs, that would help as well. If she underwent hypnotism to make herself think she was getting there, that might also help.
Bottom line: what did she do to solve her problem before bailing on it?
Vaako81 4y ago
Nature does not care as the female orgasm is trivial. All that matters is the males to generate new life.
PaulWrit 4y ago
Bingo. This is why they should be grateful for us men. Without us the human race would have died out already. Women are just incubators. Once artificial wombs are invented they'll become obsolete.
1st10Amendments 4y ago
I assumed, back in the days before I got married, and I learned it didn’t matter, that the female orgasm was to make the woman want to have sex with the same guy a second time.
Before I got married, I wondered who I was going to not have sex with that night. After I married, I knew exactly who I would not be having sex with that night.
Dunkman83 4y ago
its because she only has sex with hot chads that are out of her league, and doesnt give a shit if she gets off or not.
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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 4y ago
And he also cannot be a player.
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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 4y ago
Hence all this media stuff encouraging women to try having sex with a woman, because you know, women know exactly how to please other women while guys are just boring, selfish, and incompetent in bed.
Except in reality, when lesbians find out about lesbian bed death...
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
It is amazing how that fact does not make the press. Like our fair, unbiased media organizations have an agenda or something...../s
tamuzbel 4y ago
$50 says she just expected him to "know" what got her off. It reminds me of a Sam Kinison sketch where he said "Ladies, do you know something that really gets you off? Just makes you shiver? HOW ABOUT FILLING US IN! We will do it!"
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This is most women. When I was younger, I used to go down and play with it, etc. Now I do not give a fuck. If she can get off just from PIV, great. If not, too bad so sad. How many women have you been with that gave a shit about blowing you after the first couple times? As soon as the blowies are gone so is the romance. Bounce.
supremegentleman2 4y ago
Lady bits? Cringe...
BeholdTheHair 4y ago
I haven't done a survey or anything but I'm willing to bet, generally speaking, most guys' go-to/favorite sex position is missionary. Not because we're boring or afraid of trying something new, but because one of the most gratifying aspects of sex (right up there with busting a nut yourself) is seeing the pleasure in the expression of the woman you're with as she gets off and knowing you got her there.
The burden of performance is a real thing and often a real pain in the ass. As long as a man has a truly appreciative audience, however, most of us are only too happy to go above and beyond in order to achieve extraordinary results.
ShittierLord 4y ago
This guy fucks.
V_M 4y ago
Boob guys get a great visual show when they look down in missionary, and butt guys get a great visual show when they look down in doggie. Cowgirl requires women to have agency and to be thin, so you can see why that's relatively unpopular.
BeholdTheHair 4y ago
I'll cop to being more of a boobs guy, but that's irrelevant here. My point is I'm generally looking at the woman's face rather than either her boobs or butt, because that's where the expression of her pleasure is and seeing how much she's enjoying herself is one of the best parts of sex.
I also expect cowgirl is plenty popular with most dudes but, as noted, it's a rare bird who both can and will put in the work to ride you like a porn star. Usually it's just up to the guy to go at it from below (is that what folks mean by power bottom?) which, given the awkward angle, is more tiring. If I'm going to be doing all the work anyway I may as well be in a better position to make it last and enjoy it.
polishknightusa 4y ago
This i yet another way that men oppress women: We generally have an easier time getting our rocks off and heck, even our lower attraction demands are a fundamental advantage, really. Modern women are condemned to unsatisfying sex because men aren't all handsome, rich, mind readers, and able to go for a straight hour to do what it takes to get her off while she lies there.
Like so many things in life, there are some things you have to take responsibility for. Fun allegory:
A wealthy investor I was working for back in the 90's got a fat mistress. It's one of the most hilarious things we ever saw like a millionaire pimping out a Yugo but that's what he did. He gave her a $3000 a month allowance and she went out to French restaurants daily and got even more fat.
So she bought exercise equipment.
And promptly put it in the basement. Where it sat unused because exercise takes effort.
1st10Amendments 4y ago
In my case, my favorite is Cowgirl, because
Well… just because.
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As always
cautionTomorrow555 4y ago
That they were happy playing before when they were winning.
[deleted] 4y ago
Very astute observation my man. It's spreading like wildfire and it makes me absolutely giddy.
upsidedownbackwards 4y ago
They turned relationships into Calvinball and wonder why nobody will play with them.
SnuSnuClownWorld 4y ago
This is already my favorite comment of 2022. Congratulations sir.
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LateralThinker13 4y ago
FTFY.
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PaulWrit 4y ago
You watch Birdman too? You're a man of culture too I see.
OhBarnacles_007 4y ago
Its hilarious how that joke about the husband shop is so true in real life. The 30-40 women who are now crying they can't find a man are the women who made it to the last floor aka "proof women are never happy with a man" floor.
Thing is eventually reality slaps you in the face. Women hold the advantage when they are younger. Men chase, take them out, wine and dine, the works. But see men also have advantages. Most work on themselves, build a career, plan long term, secure their future, and best of all we can date down. So while you are in your 30s now, men in their 30s can date girls in their 20s.
That's why women hate when men date younger. They know its additional competition for their used up holes, fading looks, bad decisions, and losing out on their bailout.
PaulWrit 4y ago
And we can date younger girls even when we're 50+ Dating sugar babies for example. Women don't have that option. Because what guy would want to go out with an old used and banged up Ford?
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BigAggravating1299 4y ago
Yup those holes have been filled up for years, at 30 yo and above they have been pumped good if they were a 6,7,8,9,10
Snoid_ 4y ago
There legit was an all female punk band back in my hometown called "Placenta Garden"
saruin 4y ago
There's already a band called Hole (Courtney Love)
OhBarnacles_007 4y ago
Sponsored by Fiskers cat food and your local fertility clinic.
silly_birb_Banned 4y ago
" Hurry up! IVF is 30% less now ! "
fantasticfantasy69 4y ago
Bruv!!! Fucking hilarious!
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
Trash metal?
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Carousel music.
PaulWrit 4y ago
I can hear this comment.
WallyWithanEmail 4y ago
Grunge
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PaulWrit 4y ago
I find it funny that they use the term incel. How exactly do they know that we are supposedly celibate?
V_M 4y ago
Example number 245872082527 of if "the usual suspects" hate something people are doing, its probably good for them and they should keep doing it while ignoring the usual suspects.
LateralThinker13 4y ago
Don't forget that men never get past the second floor of the Wife store. :P
Stahlboden 4y ago
Those disgusting pedos preying upon 22 y.o. female children!
I-am-the-lul 4y ago
WheN tHey SHOuld BE SEEKing OuT 42yo FEmALE ChILdRen iNStead LIKe a ReaL MaN...
V_M 4y ago
The irony is its the usual projection from those folks.
The 42-yr-old single-mom household full of poorly supervised little kids is a trillion times more exciting to the actual pedos than the childless 22-yr-old recent college grad chick. So projectors having to project, they're gonna distract with absolute nonsense claims that the pedos go for the 22-yr old.
askmrcia 4y ago
My favorite is when they say "he can't get a woman his own age he has to take advantage of a younger woman".
It's common sense to know that it's actually a lot harder for a man to get a younger woman because older women are way more desperate. But you know
PaulWrit 4y ago
Older wahmen are like that beat up old pick up truck that sits on the lot and will never be sold. Because no one wants a used up old pos when they can get the newer model with almost zero mileage.
kingsitri 4y ago
I hate the word, "take advantage of". You can only take advantage of kids or people who aren't mentally able. A normal person over 20 years old has the ability to make his or her own decisions and if they are going along with it without being cheated or lied to, they are not taken advantage of.
OhBarnacles_007 4y ago
Shaming, gas lightning, manipulation, projection, are all tools women use to keep the advantage. Learn to identify them and then learn to make sure they have no effect on you.
PaulWrit 4y ago
That's an advantage? I treat it the same as spam pop ups. Ignore and forget they exist.
Words cannot hurt me and my black heart. That's the only side of me these little girls will see. They won't ever get to see my kind and caring side. Too bad so sad sorry not sorry
TastyTiger2020 4y ago
I thought this was a narcissist thing lol .:: a woman thing? Hmmm . Interesting
WhereProgressIsMade 4y ago
Insults, guilt, and the need to be right are a few of their other favorite tools to watch out for.
1st10Amendments 4y ago
“Gas lighting…”
I wonder if because women keep telling guys that they (the guys) like younger women, that maybe the guys with little-to-no hands-on experience (I.e., “involuntary celebrates and virgins) believe they should want younger women as well. The women might be driving potential Beta Male mates it if the pool because they’re allegedly in the wrong pool.
Just pondering.
PaulWrit 4y ago
How do they know that we are supposedly celibate though? And who says we don't have hands on experience? They just make up complete and utter bs. I had to look up what incel meant the first time I saw it. I thought it was a typo or made up. Which it is in a manner of speaking.
They have no such knowledge or proof. I don't think wahmen know or understand that men don't care about their gossip and shaming tactics. Because what is gossip but a bunch of skewed and made up bs?
It hasn't affected me and won't ever affect me. They can keep on harping on with whatever nonsense they want. Meanwhile I'll be over here fucking hotties in their twenties.
OhBarnacles_007 4y ago
Or you know 1000s of years of biology. But fuck that shit when it doesn't fit the narrative right?
Younger girle tend to be more energetic and happier then the 30 - 40 single failures. Which would you rather date?
PaulWrit 4y ago
The energy is what I crave. What we all crave. If it could be bottled as a drink it'd be much more convenient. As you could just go to your local store and buy some. Imagine how much easier it would be.
Ass_Guzzle 4y ago
The sour one, clearly!
road_laya 4y ago
Men marry because they really enjoy having a live-in air raid siren that goes off everyday because you aren't making enough money for her "standards". And if you do, why didn't you stay at home, clean, cook and raise the kids while doing so? And if you did that too, why didn't you give her your full attention?
maruadventurer 4y ago
Realize that even today 1/3rd of men are still virgins at 30. The result of the 90/10 rule.
1st10Amendments 4y ago
I was a virgin until age 29. That was three decades ago. Now my “notch count” is all the way up to four! (Not four digits, four women.)
omnicorn_persei_8 4y ago
There's no way 1/3 of men are virgins at 30
PhantasyBoy 4y ago
Is that a real stat? It can’t be…
WhereProgressIsMade 4y ago
The cdc numbers say 89% of men ages 22-24 have had intercourse.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad362.pdf
It’s notoriously hard to get accurate numbers since men lie to the high side and women to the low side.
maruadventurer 4y ago
Well consider the numbers. If 90% of the women are going for 10% of the men and women represent 51% of the population somebody ain't getting any. And by the way, the stat is a quote from Kevin Samuels and he generally has solid numbers backing his claims.
PhantasyBoy 4y ago
I'd say that 90-10 is more relevant to Tinder? Although maybe the world is more fucked than I imagined!
CisgenderPig 4y ago
Red pill rhetoric, it's like using a demon's true name to banish it.
"The power of time compels you! The power of time compels you!"
"SKREEEEEEEETCH!"
asdf333aza 4y ago
When she admits she really problem, no issues.
When we say she's is the problem, than we are misogynistic.
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
Time is a tool of the patriarchy!
SnakeEyeskid 4y ago
Mother nature gives and father time takes away.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 4y ago
u/typo-magashiv, Do you know who flaired this guy?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4y ago
That was me
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 4y ago
I suspected that but wanted to make sure. Well done.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4y ago
It's a direct quote from one of his stories that made me LOL
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 4y ago
Lol. We have a pimp in our midst.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4y ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/comments/s24v7h/50f_mother_of_two_suns_who_are_her_world_wants_to/hsfgsdg/?context=3
SoulKeen 4y ago
Love it ... lmao
All-Access- 4y ago
Gotta love that momentum swing that happens around 30. They have been in control of the game their entire lives up until that point and they can't fathom not being in control of it.
Also funny how its always "he unmatched me" Maybe try getting off you ass ladies and putting some effort into meeting someone. I've never heard "that guy i volunteer at the SPCA with unmatched me" or "That guy in my church group unmatched me" but instead its everyone elses fault for her using a hook up app and getting used for hook ups.
The_Choir_Invisible 4y ago
There's a lot of cognitive dissonance when that momentum swing changes and I'm continually surprised to meet women who are even in their early 50's who've blocked out the reality of the situation. I'm in my late 40's and some of the dating apps have the most deluded individuals on them. Interestingly, POF seems to have the most "down to earth" women (percent-wise) while places like OKCupid are filled with women still playing the game like they were in their 20's.
vtec__ 4y ago
even on sugar baby sites, you have attractive women in their mid 30s and 40s demanding the world.
pukipukie 4y ago
Lul... Cope and sethee DG leftover expired wahhhmen... I'm in my 30's and 1000% sure ain't dating girl in my age bracket sweet 23~25 is my go too brackets...that's what happen for the "never settle for less" type and too freaking picky waaahhmen and muh exploration bullcrap aka riding the CC till old and prune type
SnakeEyeskid 4y ago
One of my favorite posts for sure. Very well compiled to highlight so many aspects of reality and the people who both struggle and denies it!
Wide-Illustrator2906 4y ago
fantasticfantasy69 4y ago
Welp!
Cristoff13 4y ago
They claim all men their own age aren't interested or only want casual sex. There are many men their own age who would be interested in a relationship. They are invisible to her of course.
This reminds me of the time I went on a woman-focused forum and argued, nicely as I could, that men are mainly attracted to youth, and this is grounded in biology. Not all men can or will pursue younger women though.
This seemed like common sense to me, but seemed to drive a couple of ladies nuts. I vaguely remember their counter-arguments:
By this point I decided I was better off just lurking and had stopped commenting.
RedMeatTrinket 4y ago
Yes! It does. LOL
Royal-Owl-353 4y ago
Hey... maybe there’s something to the red pill fellas...
FarFromAverage7866 4y ago
Lack of economically attractive men is the number one reason of decline in marriage. Literally studies show lack of beta buxxers is the number 1 cause of collapse in marriage
JohnnySkidmarx 4y ago
In college, women want Chad. In their late 30's, they want Brad.
SnuSnuClownWorld 4y ago
Great post but I would add one addendum to the man with options guy. I think even a lot of alpha guys would take a wife, but they are also wary of being divorce graped and accused of heinous crimes in the public court of opinion. So it's simply safer to spin plates instead.
PlainTundra 4y ago
Pick one.
upsidedownbackwards 4y ago
100%. I've never paid for any of that. Never even been on a date and I'm 37. I'm far from rich. I'm not in shape. I half ass cut my own hair. I'm lanky and pretty goofy looking. I've been a raging alcoholic the last 15 years (sober since May!). I don't even live in a structure most of the time!
But I'm 6'4 and keep my BMI in check. I've only hit on people a few times ever. I'm too much of an awkward wuss 95% of the time (100% of the time since I stopped drinking). They always come up to me. The tall tingles make them totally ignore how awful of a partner/father I would be. No dates needed, we just hang out. Tends to end up in bed. Don't even have any rhythm in the sack.
Don't care. Tall.
vtec__ 4y ago
isnt your brother the 5'5 business guy who owns a few houses, a boat and a new car and can barely get anything in terms of women>
Growupchildrenn 4y ago
Congrats on sobriety dude
Traksimuss 4y ago
That will be constantly berated and abused while given minimum sex possible to keep him.
Winning all the way for the "safe" guy.
FarFromAverage7866 4y ago
Yup. Women manipulate betas with sex, while he think he'll be "good boy" in her eyes because he's so "respectful." The reality is, she low-key loaths him. Women don't respect men who don't respect themselves.
The Alpha, even if he doesn't have his shit together, he will make her panties drip. I've known many guys who got divorced ràped. I'm in real estate, so I know senior guys who are r-p who fucked up by marrying their ex hoe wives. And you wanna know one thing in common? While these guys were paying the bills and keeping her financially "happy" majority of these women were fucking alphas on the side. Once they're Alpha windowed, her beta husband can never wet her pussy properly. What will always keep her drenched is that unreliable, mysterious, "bad boy" who she can't get enough of.
Marriage is a failed institution. I don't know how men can marry anymore.
Jihocech_Honza 4y ago
Marriage created civilisation.
"He ascribed the hegemony over the world of the comparatively poor, barbaric and small European peninsula to the social cohesion, continuity, stability and drive engendered by monogamous marriage.
And the hegemony has disappeared along with the monogamy. It was shattered in the divorce courts"
SnakeEyeskid 4y ago
Us pagans were getting married long before that dress wearing sissy God became a trend FYI.
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PaulWrit 4y ago
It makes them mad
Stunning-Apricot-545 4y ago
Village bicycle? Lol
cautionTomorrow555 4y ago
Everyone gets a turn on the village bicycle and it is a shared resource is the joke. Those kind of women will settle down with a beta buxx guy for a couple years to have a baby and then get bored of it divorce rape him for his money and try to hop back on the cock carousel.
PaulWrit 4y ago
They are shocked when there are less cock carousels to hop onto. Eventually there'll be no left. Too bad so sad. Sorry not sorry.
Stunning-Apricot-545 4y ago
I know, feminism has ruined the family unit and eroded what was once a sacred and binding matrimony. Today any male marrying is playing a game of rigged Russian roulette
LokisDawn 4y ago
We call those village matresses, or mustard jars (because everyone has dipped their sausage in).
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
After about 6 months (might have been a bit later) or so of dating my first ever girlfriend decided she wanted to roleplay me having to pick her up and charm her into having sex with me
She actually wanted to go to a bar and have me come up to her and pretend not to know her. And when I refused tried to get me to do it just whilst in the flat. Pretty sure I refused again but it pissed her off
She both missed the excitement of being charmed and was clearly testing me and making me work for it. If it wasn’t my first ever girlfriend I like to think I would have walked
She kept telling me of all the other guys who were interested in her to try and provoke a jealous reaction as well. Pretty sure she cheated on me at least once but no proof and it was ages ago. Not going to dig through that
But it was the making me work for sex whilst still in a relatively new relationship that really got me. And in hindsight it wasn’t even good and enthusiastic sex.
wellimout 4y ago
Do you not understand that in that situation, she's a "sure thing?" I mean, you're talking about it as if she wanted you to jump through hoops and then she would possibly say "no" if you didn't dance well enough and you wouldn't get sex.
But that was your girlfriend. She wanted to role play. She wanted to pretend to be someone else. And at the end of it, she was definitely going to say "yes"
I've done it before and from my perspective, it's not like what you're describing.
"Good girls" want a safe outlet to be sluts. So you let them go into a bar and pretend they don't know you, and you drop disgusting pickup lines on them and then take them out back and fuck them in your car. Conversely, if you're ever banging a legit slut, she'll want you to pretend she's a naive virgin. I don't know why it's like this, it just is, and so long as you don't marry them, I don't see the harm in having fun with it.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
Maybe but the context of this suggestion was her basically turning me down - so not necessarily a sure thing
This was at least a decade ago so there is a chance I am not remembering this fully
It certainly didn’t come off as simply as you claim. And when set to the context of other parts of our relationship it wasn’t really above board behaviour
Visible-Ad7732 4y ago
Turning you down??
Yeah, fuck that.
That's just disrespectful and she wanted to humiliate you publicly.
wellimout 4y ago
oh, okay.
WhereProgressIsMade 4y ago
Or men are waking up to the “deal” being a beta bux gets you and deciding, “no thanks.”
FlowComprehensive390 4y ago
This is a big part of it. Lots of men who have just given up and are living for themselves. Not a very good thing if you're a fan of societal stability as history has repeatedly shown, but whatevs.
surrationalSD 4y ago
Life long red piller on that note also never a need haha.
panzer22222 4y ago
I know about a dozen guys in their 40s and 50s. Earn good money, own their home and can retire at any time, I ask them about dating and not a single one has the slightest interest.
PaulWrit 4y ago
I'm at this point now. I'm in my 40s. I was already over dating in my late twenties. In my 30s I was like fuck it. I'm out. If I feel the need I'll just have some fun with a hooker. Otherwise I'll be living my best life. I have more important things to do than babysit some self entitled princess.
BobbingForBunions Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
More men are realizing each day that marriage is a terrible deal for them.
They've seen too many of their friends and male family members get cuckolded, disrespected, and ultimately divorce-raped while being left with limited - and sometimes zero - access to their kids.
The romanticized ideal of marriage has been massacred in men's minds by modern women and the courts that support them.
panzer22222 4y ago
Yesterday there was a post on AITA, woman didnt take the husbands name when they got married. He wanted her to but she said no but all the kids will have his name.
Well first kid is now due and she has 'changed her mind', the kid will get her name, the overwhelming advice, like thousands of up votes was basically 'fuck him, she is allowed to do what she likes'.
So the wife ignores everything important to you, kids wont get your name, your only role is to pay for everything...wonder why guys are walking away
cautionTomorrow555 4y ago
I can't believe the amount of disrespect I have seen guys tolerate from their wife. If the genders were reversed someone would have pulled them aside and asked if they were being abused and needed help. I even dealt with that when I was younger and dumber but realized I have too much self respect to put up with that treatment just for sex.
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I might just be a problem child but I have too much self respect to put up with that shit from anybody. Except police. I learned the hard way, they will win. Best to bow down like a peasant to them. Everyone else, though... Look out! I will ruin the fuck out of this relationship out of principle.
cautionTomorrow555 4y ago
Your boss, gang members, and the police three kinds of people you have to bow down to even though you should not have to.
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See that's where I might have issues. All my life I've rejected authority. I'll agree on the gang members but I have no fear of my boss. Gang members and Police officers are almost synonymous terms though.
A guy at work? Pffft. Piss off, buddy.
PaulWrit 4y ago
Yea my boss is a fucken pansy. If it came to blows I'd be able to kill him with one punch.
The only reason to bow down to police and gang members I'd because they have weapons. Without those they are nothing.
Rimeheart 4y ago
Whew, proof plenty of men are still invisible to them even when they claim hopelessness.
cautionTomorrow555 4y ago
I was invisible and then when they wanted me because I now have money and they are looking for beta bucks I refused to date them as punishment for that.
upsidedownbackwards 4y ago
Don't call it punishment. That implies you're using negative reinforcement of some sort.
You aren't giving them a reward after they misbehaved. You're not giving a kid ice cream after they were bad. It feels so much better to know that doing absolutely nothing is what's driving them crazy.
Arcane__Truth 4y ago
Was kinda thinking the same thing. As I was reading this I was thinking how the dudes in the same scenario must have given up way earlier. Tons of lonely ass bros out there and I feel for them because if the WOMEN are having a hard to finding partners at that age, I could only imagine the men.
vtec__ 4y ago
i know lots of average guys with good paying jobs who dont get much if anything. there are very few attractive guys in their 30s who are single or not married. the leftover men tend to be complete losers or just un-attractive dudes who are betas.
heyyy-kiddo 4y ago
At that point as a man you just go fishing and doing your own thing while riding that bank account.
If sex industry is legal in their state again why not.......or casual dating too.
surrationalSD 4y ago
Depends on the guy. I'm 44 and have multiple women ranging from 27 to 32. I could go even lower lol, on a strictly recreational basis. But yea with modern women being this crazy it's hard for anyone at any age to find a solid monogamous relationship. Think I might actually like one of them though.
heyyy-kiddo 4y ago
Yeah,but if you want to have kids you would need to try to do it while still under 40-45 as a man.
I guess it depends on each ones life plan.
Casual and serious dating can be done at any age for men ,but to have children you'd need a wife under 30 and 3 years of marriage /relationship at minimum so she would have to be 30 max and to keep things okish you'd need to aim for women max 15 years younger.
So 45 is a golden point to a certain extent.
If you don't want kids you are golden, date even 23-25 year olds xD
surrationalSD 4y ago
Honestly, the women are the ones who are coming at me, they think I'm their age, so it really doesn't feel off. But I do get dirty looks and vibes from women like this. Oh well :)
But yea at the same time, we are all in the same boat here. I started to really improve my overall game by looking into subreddits like this fairly recently.
Thanks, everyone for the contributions/comments!
coke501 4y ago
At 35 it'd be the 3rd or 4th time most women crashed into it.
There's exceptionally few women that haven't hit the wall at least once by 35.
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Also:
Shit out of luck finding a man looking for an old hag, huh? [/EDIT]
asdf333aza 4y ago
Love how so many of them realized THEY ARE THE PROBLEM!!!
biccat 4y ago
TRP isn't about beliefs.
It's about opening your eyes and seeing the world as it is, not as it should be.
mustangfrank 4y ago
And for those who will not, there are niceguys and the blue pill
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I hope some lurkers and trolls from opposing subs read your comment. It's not like we like TRP any more than the ladies do... It just is what it is. They say ignorance is bliss but I'd rather know what happened.
LandscapeClear1630 4y ago
That last reply: "... men SHOULD be seeking out women their age"
Dude, the level of entitlement is off the fucking charts!!
_No-Waifu-No-Laifu_ 4y ago
These are the same women who will call you awful names and insist no one deserves anything ever if men express the slightest dissatisfaction with the status quo.
Cavannah 4y ago
It's an interesting double-standard, which is really the only type of standard that these people have.
Men should always seek only women their age, but women don't have to?
Stay mad, inspins.
steveguster 4y ago
We need congress to pass laws now!!! No man can date a girl who is four or more years younger than him.
SnakeEyeskid 4y ago
Will be tricky to forbid men to date younger while still allowing women to date older, as is most preference...
_No-Waifu-No-Laifu_ 4y ago
Not really, it'll just followthe "progressive" approach they followed for prostitution. Illegal for men to purchase, legal for women to sell.
SnakeEyeskid 4y ago
Oh we spend lots of tax money to promote that law to other countries. There has been pushes to punish men who pay to play abroad legally.
We don't believe in borders so ofc our laws should apply everywhere.
/A Swede
[deleted] 4y ago
Honesty I’m grateful that I’ve seen to have found a woman my age (like, not even two months younger) who wants to start a family well before 25, it definitely sounds better than just milling around at bars for a decade.
couldnotjointhedance 4y ago
Sorry for the somewhat long form, there was just so much unbelievably good (and actually honest) stuff. The best part of it was all of the older women coming dangerously close to the truth and then getting "warned" about it.
Then you have all the younger late 20s women coming in who absolutely refuse to accept any of this wisdom because they are still hot and will be hot forever and men will always be chasing after them.
pdoherty972 4y ago
How are you reading it? It's blurry if you zoom it. Is there an actual resolution version?
rayatx_95 4y ago
Kudos to you for compiling this. This may be one of my favorite posts in this sub.
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GentleHawk1 4y ago
They are real predators grooming innocent little girls in their 20's!!! Just marry to an old aunt you misogynist, tee hee
CarpAndTunnel 4y ago
Its abusive for a woman to want a man with more money. Date in your income bracket only ladies!
TheGalator 4y ago
I think this would be a greater problem for men than for women
_No-Waifu-No-Laifu_ 4y ago
Women refusing to warn the younger generation off of the terrible behavior that led to lifelong misery is some real crabs in a bucket bullshit. The women that try get silenced and bullied, so stupid young hedonistic women make the exact same mistakes and then act shocked when they've ruined their mind, body, and soul for a few orgasms. Even whenthey are forced to hear it, it isn't what they want to hear so they reject it and ruin themselves anyways.
The complete refusal to learn and accept reality is crazy.
python834 4y ago
They refuse to warn them because it’s incentivized. The less men that younger women are able to lock down, the more men are possible to date for the older women.
tamuzbel 4y ago
I am not sure it's crabs in a bucket so much as straight up denial of reality. Women have a tendency to deny they're getting older and that means having to deal with getting old.
V_M 4y ago
I think age denial is a human thing but men age like wine and women age like room temperature milk.
So I'm an "older gen-x" and I got a few gray hairs but I'm still thin and my lifts at the gym are still getting heavier not lighter. And I'm doing great financially. And I never went out in the sun much so my skin's pretty good. Really I'm just like I was when I was 25 except I recover a little slower and hair color is a bit grayer but on the other hand my lifestyle is a lot wealthier so it all balances out.
On the other hand, the "post wall impact" types my age that I see at Walmart or in the facebook group for my high school reunion class, well, those ladies not aging so well. There's chicks I went to high school with whom are over 300 pounds now, or tuck their boobs in their belt, or they suntanned themselves into looking like they're wearing motorcycle leathers all the time....
JohnnySkidmarx 4y ago
Man, back in the day of my parent's growing up, people got married and started families in their early 20's. Feminism ruined all of that.
V_M 4y ago
MOST people.
The thing is, we're running a selective breeding program and feminist women are being bred out of the population. In maybe 100 years, at least western civilization areas, either you're gonna be from a Mormon or Amish family, or a couple other religions, because you're not gonna exist if the "mainstream Lutheran chick" who was going to be your great-great-great-grandma decided to ride the carousel and become a childless bitter cat lady a century ago. Meanwhile her non-feminist Mormon dorm-mate from college had like five kids, and her descendents don't read Vice or The Atlantic or so ...
This also explains why "mainstream media" has absolutely batshit insane hatred of Mormons and Amish and similar groups.
Nothing is a better advertisement for conversion than "those people" hating them. Certainly IRL I've never met a Mormon in person whom I didn't end up respecting and being friends, but the untrustable media hates them all, so ...
vtec__ 4y ago
not just feminism, the economy was destroyed in 2008 and it never bounced back. its been huffing on fumes and only the upper middle class are still somewhat "doing okay" ...
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I grew up in a boring old, regular old, outdated, old fashioned FAMILY.
When I was 14 we moved to a city and it turned this country boy's life upside down for a lot of years. Now it's become abundantly clear that my parents ran away. They fled the urban life and started a family in the sticks. Unfortunately, I think that's the only healthy way to do it these days. It's as if... if you don't steal a woman away into exile, feminism and miserable single women will eventually dig their ugly claws in and ruin everything you worked to achieve with that person. Then, combine all that "you go girl" rhetoric with the 90% of dudes that are thirsty as fuck, cat calling your lady day and night. It's a losing battle, boys.
Society is completely fucked. I just hope I'm alive to witness the collapse... from a distance.
PaulWrit 4y ago
I'm looking forward to that day. I'll bring the popcorn. You bring the drinks?
revente 4y ago
You make it seem like getting married in your 20s is something good.
It’s not.
Especially for a man.
JohnnySkidmarx 4y ago
But I believe that back in my parent's day, courts didn't divorce rape men like they do today. Marriage was seen as a good thing and people that got divorced were often frowned upon. Totally different today.
Vespasians 4y ago
Probably because they're too obsessed with themselves. You only have to spend 5 minutes around women to realise the one who gives the most dating advice is perpetually single... Gotta project otherwise peeps are going to twig it's their own fault.
Snoid_ 4y ago
Because, by warning the younger women to pick someone now instead of waiting, it will lower the amount of available men to the ones giving the warning....
PaulWrit 4y ago
Bingo. You hit the nail on the head.
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Within the years I've learned that we men don't know how much great our position is. Any woman you've met that is not married, with a child and in an established relationship is damaged good. The good woman over 30 without damage is practically a unicorn, the exception nowadays.
And yes, it is possible, but as a man, I like to think more in terms of probability than a possibility.
Our position is the best: we don't have to sacrifice for any woman, just for the younger, inexperienced, and least damaged ones.
BTW, these women never realize they're already hit the wall.
cautionTomorrow555 4y ago
As a guy in my 30s whenever I go on a date with a woman who doesn't have obvious problems and has an okay personality, I am suspicious because it feels too good to be true and that they are hiding something. Most of the time I wind up being right in my cynical suspicions such as after a month of off and on dating I found out she has $170,000 in credit card and student loan debt.
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I tell you: the majority, the huge majority are broken goods. People who decided to date and hookup the worst males.
LetsGoAllTheWhey 4y ago
You dodged a huge bullet. Congratulations.
_No-Waifu-No-Laifu_ 4y ago
Wow 170,000 in completely collateral free debt. That's not dodging a bullet, that's dodging a fucking 130mm artillery shell.
cautionTomorrow555 4y ago
I don't even remember what she majored in just that it was something dumb and she went to an expensive private university and was now working a low wage white collar job. She was a decent person, but we didn't have much in common or to talk about so that giant $170,000 anchor I would have had to pay for did not feel worth it. If I really loved her and loved spending time with her, I might have been willing to pay for some of it, but for someone I wasn't even that interested in it didn't seem worth it to continue dating her.
vtec__ 4y ago
dude, 170k is ALOT of debt. most doctors have that kind of debt and they dont pay it off until they are in their 40s and 50s. shes going to die with that debt
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finger_milk 4y ago
The more you start correctly interpreting womanese when you hear it, the more obvious it becomes that she is fully aware that she has hit the wall. Women speak different to other women than they do to men, but the line blurs greatly when she speaks out of exasperation.
fantasticfantasy69 4y ago
Solid analogy!
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
In real life some do. I have had two exes both start freaking out when they were staring at the “3-0” that was going to be on their next birthday cards when they realised that they are not married and don’t have a child
The expectation is still very much felt. And I can only assume they set that milestone in their own heads because they know how much harder it will be to get the full package after that
I even had a family member keep a child from a one night stand because they were over 30 and didn’t know if they would get a chance to have one.
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 4y ago
30 really plays a mind game with them. The softball coach at my college was hired before her 30th birthday. She was vocally adamant about her career and not having a kid. Turns 30 or 3 (I forget) and then she is pregnant with the due date being at the end of the season.
Some older female at the school didn't understand why the change in attitude and why the coach didn't pick a better due date. I bluntly said, "Well, the biological alarm clock went off and the hamster decided it needed a kid ASAP." She didn't appreciate my drawing of the curtains. I didn't care.
Forget about the team. Female wanted a child. She is still a great coach with multiple titles but that pregnancy caused a lot of unnecessary work.
KoloGupta 4y ago
That timing was very carefully planned. End of the season due date meant she would get her regular pay through the summer lull and only after, begin to collect maternity leave benefits.
Aside from young and dumb female teenagers, most women women do not get pregnant by accident. The few that do will abort if they don't want the baby, which circles back to my previous statement.
RuskinBondFan 4y ago
I don't wanna sound cruel, but this is hilarious
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
There is context here. Her older sister is pretty much barren - married and trying for several years with no luck
So there was clearly the combination of genuine fear and also worry about what she would think if she found out her sister had an abortion when she was trying so hard to conceive
But equally she must have been furious that she did it “the right way” and wasn’t able to conceive and her sister …
RuskinBondFan 4y ago
I feel bad sometimes laughing at these things. But hey, I also watch Family Guy so it's not a new feeling.
Loud_Read1414 4y ago
We're also in an unprecedented age for men where there won't be a massive stigma attached to being unmarried because a large minority have no choice either way. This is good news if you wish to live a meaningful life on your own terms, something so rarely available to men.
finger_milk 4y ago
We are in a really good place in society, where if you are a kind man in your thirties or above, single and looking after your looks and health... you will never not be checked out and given attention if you position yourself to receive it. If you don't want that attention, then you don't participate and you don't have to put yourself in front of women you're not interested in.
There is no incentive at all to settle and get married as a man, and especially as a high value man. Remember, your goal in life is to live a good one, and how you define that is entirely up to you. RP/BP and manosphere forums are only to give you some perspective to make decisions that won't punish you. Unfortunately, being married or being with a damaged woman is going to punish you in the long run and that's the truth.
This epiphany upsets women; they hate it when a man is happy on his own terms. It discredits everything a woman thought she understood about her value and her entitlement to a HVM. They hate what they can't have.
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The stigma is still there. Less than three years ago I was at a job interview and the employer asked if I was married. I replied " No". "Girlfriend?" he asked. Again, I replied "No". He dug a little deeper. "Why not?" I shrugged my shoulders.
Then he asks "Boyfriend?" Upon noticing my scowl, he added "Well it's 2020, I have to ask. LOL".
Um, no you fucking didn't. This is supposed to be a professional setting. I'm interviewing for a position building aerospace and defense assemblies. You would think that with the increase in SJW trans-Karens this would be kind of a sensitive subject for an employer to even ask about. Of course, two and a half years ago, I wasn't dating at all. I was on full monk mode and had no idea about the current online dating shit show. If I knew then what I know now I would have lost my shit on that guy so it's probably all for the best.
KoloGupta 4y ago
That was an extremely inappropriate line of questioning. For everyone reading, the proper response to the first question is to ask if being married is relevant to being able to perform the required job duties. This should shut that bullshit down.
If it doesn't, this will be an indicator of what working for the company will be like.
[deleted] 4y ago
Exactly. Now you don't need to prove you're a man that can provide, you don't need to "man up" or "become a man" (pay the bills).
CA-GMOW 4y ago
As a young guy, I have never met any man in my family or so talking about marriage or that I should get married and on. It's always the women saying so when are you getting married or so. Very weird to even say that honestly.
I just wanna be on a farm and live a self sustaining and self reliant life. Maybe I'll adopt, or foster kids so they have a better future.
But in no means am I ever getting with a damaged good! I have noticed that in my generation, every girl who has had sexual relationship (bf, gf, fwb, hookup, or whatever) are the most fucked up in the head. I have seen multiple girls breaking down Infront of me because they are unable to get a guy (or a stable relationship) at 25ish. And younger girls who are can't get over their ex or aren't satisfied by their bf (who are happy with their life and what they have in it).
I told my parents that if I get married it's going to be after 28, and after I'm on a farm with some of my goals done.
upsidedownbackwards 4y ago
I never realized that until just now. I've never had any guys in my family ask about it.
[deleted] 4y ago
Some people might balk at the idea of a farm or living a rural life but you're wise to want to distance yourself from the population.
CA-GMOW 4y ago
Never thought about that! But I'm glad, it's going to keep people out.
KoloGupta 4y ago
You're easier to control when you're married. Your employer will have tremendous leverage on you as you'll be limited in your flexibility to switch jobs.
Corporations will have leverage on you by marketing to your wife.
Your family will have leverage on you by getting your wife to
nagconvince you to do their bidding.Get married only if this is what you really want, not because everyone is pestering you to do so. Once married, all responsibilities, financial challenges, and any other problems will be yours to bear alone. The same people pushing you to get married won't help you afterwards.
CA-GMOW 4y ago
Yes! I realize that, it made me much more out spoken and I don't do things I don't want to do anymore. And peoples opinion on my don't matter to me any more.
KoloGupta 4y ago
Nobody will care more about you than you yourself. Few people really give a shit about you. Women will never advise you in your best interests. Your trusted friends may.
Do what's best for you, and think carefully before you make decisions. Always take the what-ifs into consideration. What if your decision doesn't go right? What's your contingency plan? This mindset will help to keep you out of trouble, and your stress level down.
CA-GMOW 4y ago
Yep! I started looking at contingency plans into anything I'm doing, age what ifs. Siesta have a back up plan, and a plan to get out of a situation.
KoloGupta 4y ago
That's perfect. This way, you can minimize unpleasant surprises.
Wishing you the best going forward.
CA-GMOW 4y ago
You to man! Stay safe!
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
I don’t think this expectation from society has been removed just yet
[deleted] 4y ago
You’re basically free from all now. Is not like before. Everything is residual.
[deleted] 4y ago
I disagree.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
I assume you only mean if you stay as a bachelor that you don’t need to prove this?
And I’m not sure that is that much more accepted now than it ever has been
[deleted] 4y ago
Basically in the past you were expected to marry someone or even if you pregnant a woman it was instantly marriage. Today you can say no and zero social problems. There are no fear of social shame anymore. That’s why the majority of women are sluts.
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No social shame for women. FTFY
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If you are in any kind of professional career, there is still stigma for men. Your peers look at you strangely until they get to know you.
I think it's especially bad if you don't have any major ailments. "You're not obese, fairly attractive, moderately successful, interesting hobbies, no serious drug problems.... why are you single?"
Maybe you're just a younger guy. I'm in my 30's and the stigma is still there. Women just don't face it because of the massive leftist movement, anti-slut-shaming, normalization of single whores raising bastard children.
KoloGupta 4y ago
You hit the nail on the head.
Only one married coworker has ever been honest with me. He called a smart man for not being married. He has a permanently strained and harried demeanor. He never attends any company events. His wife came in one day to pick up some items for him due to him an injury that kept him out of the office.
To say she was an embarrassing sight would be an understatement. She was short and wider than a doorway. An embarrassment to be seen next to. She kept him on a very strict vegetable diet while she was fat as hell. I never saw him eat anything but veggies. The way she was dressed indicated that she didn't work and was a stay at home wife.
Every one else tries force women on me. Doesn't matter how these women look, or if we even get along. The only thing that matters is I need to get married ASAP.
[deleted] 4y ago
I started dating again because of societal pressure. I mean, I'm into it now but that's how it started. I had co-workers, family members and chicks I know asking when I'm going to get married and basically begging me to let them manage an account for me. I told myself I'd NEVER use an online dating site, yet here I am... a whore for Tinder.
I probably bagged 25 chicks in my early 20's but they were mostly one nighters. I never understood why they'd fuck me once or twice and say it's good but still ghost me two weeks later (now I know... they met Chad at the bar the next weekend). So I gave up on bitches, went to trade school, built a few hot rods, advanced my career and bought a house.
However, even if I did none of that and sat on my drunk ass getting stoned... I simply was not interested in entertaining women anymore. That's a hard thing for most people to understand.
finger_milk 4y ago
When we say "expectation", we mean that you'll be pestered and asked about it, but ultimately its up to you.
outside of a few niche cultures, men always have a choice. They just get pressured into making the wrong ones.
RuskinBondFan 4y ago
Men don't realise how much choice they really have. And even if, you don't have choice right now, you're only a few steps away from it. And it all goes down the drain the day you get married.
KoloGupta 4y ago
THIS THIS THIS!!!
In addition to all choices going out the window, bad decisions start. Imagine being nagged nonstop without recourse until you give in to the whims of your wife.
Buying unnecessary bigger houses at the remote edges of town or far, far away from civilization is what I watch all my married friends and family do. All these men are on the brink of bankruptcy.
RuskinBondFan 4y ago
Women are very bad at managing finance. And now that they're packed with entitlement, it's getting worse. Women buy things that have no practical value just for status. These purchases never end well.
KoloGupta 4y ago
Well, a woman's concept of value is based on the cost of an item. The more expensive the item is, the more "valuable" they perceive it to be. Until the next fad, that is. The competition amongst women is all about proving who can extract the most resources out of a man.
A man's concept of value is buying a thousand dollar item for $50 - $200. The cheaper, the better.
When there is a husband in the picture to shoulder the essentials load, this frees women up to look for stupid shit to buy.
I wrote a long piece about three years ago about one of my closest friends and the decision made with his wife to buy a new house at a remote end of the country. They've built a 3500 square foot house and will be buying a 4000 square foot garage/workshop in late spring. They have a home-business Two and a half acres of land, which was purchased sight unseen.
The wife"They" decided to move because a two mutual friend couples moved. Those couples moved because nothing was panning out for them in our city, and the husbands had been out of work for two years each.About 20 road truck and flatbed trailer trips a year at a grand a pop for four and a half years put them at roughly $80k in moving costs alone. They purchased all building materials in our city and hauled everything over.
The gigantic house is unnecessary. Huge houses require a lot of maintenance. It's a long walk to have to use the restroom. It's a long walk of you go to one end of the property and forget something, or are installing/troubleshooting and need to go back and forth.
They are about a million dollars in the hole.
The read is a bit long, so I'll refrain from writing another encyclopedia. I'll edit this reply with the link.
I'll summarize by saying that I've witnessed multiple married couples make the same reckless decisions.
The wifeThey want the largest possible house within their budget, which always means they end up buying on the far outskirts of town or up to 80 miles out of town. They then discover that getting anything done becomes thoroughly inconvenient. Friends are unable to visit as often because they practically have to apply for a visa to travel those distances. It takes much longer to get to work, friends, or anywhere in general. All the moving and setup costs inexplicably add up. Landscaping may need to be installed. Basements may need to be developed. Kitchen appliances may need to be updated (reno project for the wives. Yay!!!) Strangely, there's barely any money left over after the first couple of months of paying the mortgage and bills.They all do the same shit (excuse my Italian) regardless of race or education level. Buying a house is not something to be taken lightly. You can't un-fuck any mistakes made. You can't change your mind once you've started the process.
Once in the new, bigger houses, the husbands' time become solely focused on home projects and working furiously to keep up with the bills. They women can choose not to work I personally struggle to see any upside to getting married. No matter how how smart a man is and strong his frame, all roads seem to lead to the same destination.
Single men on the other hand, buy houses with precision. They pick locations that are reasonably close to their workplaces. They don't go overboard on sizing, and instead, focus on practicality. A garage, room for equipment, minimal landscaping. I rarely see single men in a state of perpetual stress.
Edit: link
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre/comments/a6ool9/a_tale_of_a_good_wife/
RuskinBondFan 4y ago
Sounds about right.
I do remember reading this story. How did they rationalise moving with their children so much ? Also, didn't they move because "they" visited once and liked too much.
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
Q: Is it true that "there are plenty of fish in the sea"?
A: Not when a whale shows up. Fish just scatter.
NBA_MSG 4y ago
A: Yes its absolutely true that there are plenty of fish in the sea. The issue is that you wouldn't choose most of those fishes
DoDo_01 4y ago
I love how they seethe at the idea of men dating younger women
ItsCold_ItsCold 4y ago
“iT’s LiTeRaLLy PeDoPhiLiA”
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 4y ago
I have a theory. IMHO, feminism (especially the social, as opposed to the economic versions of it) always seem to boil down to young women (especially ugly ones) wanting to fuck freely and rebelling against their mothers warning them not to do so. The first wave burned bras as patriarchal oppression and wanted the right to walk around braless and have guys ogle their nipples. And so on down to today's hookup culture.
What's so interesting is that new "waves" of feminism seem to pop up every 10-15 years like clockwork. This is not a coincidence. What it means to me is that, young women come up with some intellectual justification for why they should whore around, against the advice of their mothers and other older women. But in 10-15 years, they realize it was all a lie and they're left unhappier than their previous generation. In the meantime, the next generation of young women, see the older feminists who are profoundly unhappy and dissatisfied with their life, and rather than reject feminism, conclude that the problem was their elders weren't slutty enough and come up with an even crasser "next wave" of feminism. Which they proceed with for 10-15 years until they hit the wall, realize all that sleeping around -- whatever the temporary benefits they got -- markedly diminished their chance for long-term happiness, and the next generation comes up.
Thus we went from first wave feminists who burned bras, to 2nd wave "porn positive" feminists who supported normalizing sex work, the 3rd wave so-called "do me" feminism in which women are encouraged to rack up body counts that would make 2nd wave porn stars and prostitutes blush. (Sorry if I don't have the actual wave number correct. I've lost count and I have better uses of my time than read too much feminism drivel).
IOW, it's always been about young woman rebelling against older women trying to constrain their sexuality.
Fast_Box_8509 4y ago
Never gets old - they're angry because they can do nothing about it.
polishknightusa 4y ago
Let's consider where this is going: We've seen generations of women get worse and worse over time doubling down on bad "grasshopper" philosophies of partying when they're young and expecting the male ant to give them a bailout in winter. The philosophy of female entitlement excludes them taking responsibility for their actions and saying:
"It appears this woman is 37 and her train has left the station. Young women, take notes, and don't make the same mistakes. Treat decent men better." On the contrary, the other posters tried to shut this down as "red pill."
Older women are like crabs in a bucket trying to drag the young women down with them.
But yet... that is where change must come at some point yes? Young women will increasingly be exposed to 'red pill' wisdom and ask themselves: Do they want to die childless, or struggling as a single mother?
This is no less than a revolution against feminism where young women will no longer revere older women for their "brave sacrifices for equality and empowerment" but reject them and respect the man in her life instead.
As that happens, these older women will be very alone indeed. They crave social acceptance and dominance yet instead of being viewed as heroes (heroines), they'll be either pitied as losers or mocked. As tough as that is for men, we're used to having to blaze our own trail (who takes care of us? ourselves!) but for women, this is like a living death.
mustangfrank 4y ago
How about another point. Don't date/fuck scum. Drug addict=loser, criminal=loser, abuser=loser.
finger_milk 4y ago
It's amazing how much they care about what men do, considering that they do nothing but blame men for everything wrong with the world.
A man on the other hand, looks at something they are paying attention to and ask "wait, this is annoying me. Why I am wasting my energy and attention on this? I should stop" and move on with their lives.
Like, they profit greatly from men not waking up to their worth. All of this hen clucking and bitching all to scheme more sociopathic ways to convince beta men to hand over the coveted status and security that she deeply craves.
KoloGupta 4y ago
This is why women raise beta men. The beta sons are not for other women, but are an insurance for old age.
The women will thoroughly try to break down their sons' will and erode his ability to think and act in a logical manner. The boys are also taught to pedestalize women, make women first, foremost and only, and make the boys believe they are unimportant and have no value.
The worst thing that can be done to any child and most especially male children is to have a woman lead the household.
NBA_MSG 4y ago
Because it's men not selecting them. They have zero problems when they're younger and dating the older man
mustangfrank 4y ago
finger_milk 4y ago
Women being upset that other women are being picked over them will never not be funny. They can't fathom that despite the attention they have received for a decade, that it was ever going to stop. They never once considered that it was other women that would undo their resolve, and not men.
PaulWrit 4y ago
I love seeing the comedy of this. Older women being jealous of younger women
casra888 4y ago
Because it's always about taking the guy for as many resources as they can. How much can they get for their pussy. Simple as that.
YouthfulCommerce 4y ago
but at the same time, dont you dare objectify them! even though that's all they do to themselves lmao
The_Matchless 4y ago
It literally begins in school. I remember how in my entire class there was only one chick dating a guy her age and another one dating a guy a year younger than her (she was being picked on for it by other girls), everyone else was going for 2-4 year older dudes.
It was a lot of fun when I entered uni 3 years after my peers did (I went travelling/working abroad).
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 4y ago
I remember being a clueless freshman and not understanding why most of my female classmates were dating older guys. The female math teacher told me that they preferred more mature guys.
But it was really a pecking order thing. If Mara is good enough for a junior then I, Tracy, must be good enough for a senior.
Toaster224 4y ago
Making it about the guy's maturity is a good way to avoid saying you like money and status. One thing you'll never hear from a woman is that she likes a guy because he's mature for his age.
PaulWrit 4y ago
Once you understand what the words they use imply you can easily determine what kind of personality they have. The majority are leeches. Don't allow them to attach themselves to you.
Hayekr 4y ago
Same lol. I remember being 14/15 yrs old in HS and the absolute hottest girls in my class were dating juniors and seniors. Of course I was super jealous at the time and totally befuddled.
Just one year prior in middle school, Meghan (we'll call her) was dating a relatively popular guy in our class in 8th grade while we were in Middle School. As soon as we got into High School -- she dropped him like a bad habit and was dating the 17 year old starting running back on our football team lol.
Once I got older I realized that their lizard brain kicks in at that point regarding status, alpha chads, and even provisioning. The dude she started dating had a family wealthy enough to give him a car; he could drive/pick her up and take her out on dates and do other exciting things.
If she continued dating the dude in our class, he'd have to be lucky enough to have a learner's permit to drive and then an adult would have to accompany them in the car haha.
rob_chalmette 4y ago
Did she think she was the only one dating that RB?
ItsCold_ItsCold 4y ago
More and more girls seem to be opting to share high status guys with each other. We’re literally returning to harem culture lol
LVL50JustThisGuy 4y ago
THAT was the laugh I needed, today!
\~Raises IPS\~
I Salute You, Good Sir!
Qwesterly 4y ago
I really like following that sub. I can't post there anymore, because I said something redpilled out of kindness to try to help a lady understand how her motivations were very natural for most women, and explained the man angle and what motivates men. I got posting privileges removed there for that, but I still follow the group.
And I think it's been healthy. They are, for the most part, not mean people - they're just really oblivious to the fact that they're all going through the same thing right now, and really in denial about how men view them. They also make it difficult to gain the male perspective when they silence men. That's really counterproductive, but I think they're more interested in venting and getting validation than growing, changing and healing.
I'm left wing, but listen to Rogan podcasts. I'm red pilled but follow that sub. You have to get out behind the lines if you want to learn enough to be able to influence people with a whole different world view than yours, and that means sitting in their shoes for a while and trying to feel what makes them feel what they feel. Once you reach an understanding, you can change hearts and minds, sometimes. Only listening to points of view that validate your own opinions is entropic.
RedBlow22 4y ago
There's a scene in the movie Patton, when Patton is watching his troops putting it to Rommel and the Nazis. Patton says " I read your book, you bastard." I was 11 or so when I first saw this, and it's always stuck with me.
Qwestrly, you sum it up well.
The_Choir_Invisible 4y ago
Your message reminded me of a behavior in very many women I've noticed where they'll go on for weeks or even years about how bad a situation is and how helpless they feel and want to change it.
You feel bad for them and suggest a basic truth and they come at you like you called them a slur. The mistake is helping. I'm almost 50. Over the last 10 years I've trained myself to say "That sucks, so sorry you're dealing with that." instead of anything actually helpful. For my own safety I do not deviate from that script. They never want help, they want commiseration.
I can almost guarantee you they will attempt to burn you the moment you offer actual, real-world advice or anything that causes them to reassess their worldview. I've always had more female friends than men friends and I could never wrap my head around one women telling another "Oh sorry honey, that sucks" again and again in response to her hot mess friend telling her about some problem in her life that she obviously plays a huge role in creating.
For the longest time I thought they just wanted to see the other woman fail (resource competition) and I still kind of do, but holy shit do most women flip the shit out when anyone causes them to reassess their choices. This is not every single woman and my god do I respect the shit out of the few women who've crossed what obviously must be a burning cognitive bridge to meet me half way in entertaining their role in their self-described suffering to try to change it. But I can count those on one hand. And, as I said, I'm almost 50.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 4y ago
It's because women love drama. If you gave them the option of solving their problem and thereby removing the drama in their life, vs. continue to be injured by said problem but being able to use that to show everyone how much drama they deal with every day, most women will choose the latter every single day.
Women with problems are that way because they don't want to solve their problems. Otherwise they would have solved them long ago. Think about it: they're not trying to solve the Middle East crisis. Most of their problems are ridiculously simple and easily fixable with just a little bit of self awareness and discipline. They don't do it not because they can't or don't know how, but because they derive some sort of pleasure / sympathy / or other psychic benefit from continuing to have these problems, and the last thing they want is someone to come along and take that away from them.
mycroftxxx42 4y ago
How do you keep from adding "...But it's totally all your fault." to the end there? I'm 45 and honestly can't resist the urge to see people squirm on the coals a little bit too much to be oragmatic in these situations. Pretty much as soon as the overriding urge to pair bond slackened, it was hard not to poke the bear.
The_Choir_Invisible 4y ago
Oh I hear ya. I did that for decades. It will always be my "natural" state to want to respond like that. But if I don't trigger the defense mechanism, I can slip a thought in now and again which can sometimes have more of an effect. Same tools I use with dementia patients. Facts that deteriorate trust deteriorate my ability to get through to someone with a cognitive impairment.
For (random) instance, I used to date a woman with what would have assuredly been a case of PMS that a doctor would want to look at. Every month. It was insane. Pointing out her irrationality at that time, just like razzing a person in the midst of a mental health crisis, only makes the situation worse.
mycroftxxx42 4y ago
Thank you for responding. I'll have to think on that.
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
For the one who says that the train has left for those around their 30s, it's not over, honey! She could always just hop on [The Ho Train!] (https://c.tenor.com/xytCBWf-Bo8AAAAC/godfather-wwf.gif) Choo choo! Happy railing.....or rather, getting railed, in her case!
Griever114 4y ago
More red pills than a pharmacy.
kidruhil 4y ago
My God, these hoes have truly forsaken thee.
Vespasians 4y ago
People think these are just outliers... The median age in the us and uk is 39 and 53% of them are married. It's too late for the majorty of women who aren't married (the median age of marrige for women is 28)
Jokes aside this is the stuff of nightmares for civilisation.
WeRAllOnThisBlessedD 4y ago
Jesus Christ. Some highlights:
Left column, first panel
It feels like it because it is running out. This woman is 37 years old and she’s still still thinking she’ll have kids. Not thinking of the fact that she’ll be in her 50s still raising kids when her friends that got wifed up early are finally getting to relax. She wants kids so she can fit in and so she can get her Instagram likes.
So close. So very very close. She hasn’t accepted this yet, but maybe one day she will.
Second panel
So she’s setting her child up for a world of pain. She wants this baby so she make Instagram posts about how hard she’s working and oh isn’t everyone so proud of me and she’ll get flooded with likes. Then will come the time when she posts about how it’s girls night out because mama needs a break. It’ll start out as once every few months, then once a month, then once a week, until she gives up and starts drinking alone at home while her child continues to be raised by the TV and YouTube. But at least her IG followers will think she’s a #girlboss.
Bottom panel
Yeah well, too bad so sad. Living with the consequences of our actions is something men have to deal with all the time, it’s extremely rare for a woman to experience this. Hopefully her first love met someone actually good for him, he’s successful, and this bimbo is nothing more than a faded memory.
Second column
First panel
I always love how these women try to convince themselves that they’re not miserable. They’ll make sure to take the best photos to post on IG when she’s alone in her apartment so her followers will know that she doesn’t need a man to be happy. Of course she’ll crop out the empty wine bottles and other clutter.
Bottom panel
Hilarious. If you read this and take it on the surface your reaction is “who does she think she is saying what a man should do?” but read between the lines. She’s not telling men what they should do. She’s crying that she missed her chance. She’s realizing (but at the same time, not internalizing) the fact she’s past her prime. So, of course, none of this is her fault for making the stupid decisions she made in her 20s. It’s men’s fault for not picking her.
All of this is a result of feminism. Women burned their bras and marched in the streets for this shit, and they got it. Now they’re more miserable than ever.
[deleted] 4y ago
That's only part of it. When you get all the way down to it, she wants kids because she needs to make babies.
Women have a deep, deep psychological need to reproduce. They need it like we need to fuck. They need to be fertile ground for seed like we need to spread the seed.
You know how men feel like failures if they can't find ground to plant their seeds in? Women feel like failures when the seed planted in them does not take root.
Of course, it doesn't help that women pollute their ground. It doesn't help when women allow too many different tillers to attempt plowing and planting. Too many different fertilization techniques don't usually allow for good germination. It doesn't help that many women uproot that which has germinated because "it's not convenient" right now or it's unwanted or "unexpected".
That's because, well, they ARE failures when they don't reproduce. The primary function of the female of a species is to reproduce and make as many copies of itself as it can.
It's a primal thing.
ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 4y ago
True, it's a primal thing. But she shouldn't give in to it until / unless she finds a partner.
People who don't have kids have no idea how much time / effort / money it costs to raise one. And doing it by yourself is a nearly surefire way of setting up your child for a lifetime of failure.
Let's just take the costs. Assuming she's working full time, 40hrs/wk, she will need to find daycare or a nanny. Daycare easily costs $1-2k/month (more in more expensive cities). A nanny costs even more. Let's say you can get some sort of care for $1500/month. That's after-tax income, which means you will need to earn \~$2500/month pre-tax just to pay for the daycare. Unless you're making $100k, there's no way you're able to divert $30k of your pre-tax salary, and that's just child care, to say nothing about any other expenses.
How do married couples manage this? Well, having a second income helps. But if that's not enough, for many, the answer is easy: it's actually cheaper for the wife to stay at home and take care of the child, then it is for her to work and hand over 110% of her paycheck to childcare. But you don't have either option when you're a single mother.
And that says nothing about the tremendous amount of energy that it takes to care for a small child, energy that a couple can at least split amongst themselves.
Many of these women think the hardest part of raising a child is deciding which outfit to put them in for the best shots to post on their instagram feed. And when they get their rude awakening, they resent their child for all the sacrifices that child "forced" on them, as if it's the child's fault. You think women's hamsters are spinning when they blame men for all their problems? That's nothing. Watch when they start blaming their kids for ruining their lives.
SnooChipmunks3163 4y ago
Parenting is hard work. My husband took parental leave for a few month for our first and second child and gosh I am so grateful for his help. I could rest, was well fed don’t have to do anything after childbirth. When he leaves for work again I am full functioning happy stay at home mom that also don’t need to worry about money. But it’s still not easy. I can’t imagine the struggle of single mom, must be hell.
vtec__ 4y ago
this. and this is why im kind of against having kids unless you can REALLY afford it. very few men make 100k a year
RuskinBondFan 4y ago
The last part makes me sad for the children. Growing up with a mother that resents the kid. Nothing good would come out of this.
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 4y ago
That is the functional problem with feminism. It goes against basic biology. And biology doesn't care about your feelings.
LokisDawn 4y ago
It's not going against biology that's the primary problem. It's going against biology unaware that's most troublesome.
KoloGupta 4y ago
They're very aware. They know the difference between right and wrong. They were able to manipulate people (men especially) to fix the problems the women create. The difficulties arise when the women hit expiry.
Women know they have a limited time window to bear children. Freezing their eggs is not an indication of a lack of awareness. They are repeatedly advised against folly. They ignore all good advice because muh independence. They're simply not interested in anything that requires effort, and don't wish to carry their weight until they get fat.
They simply believe they can beat the clock. Refusing to accept reality is not the same as being unaware of said reality.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
I actually find elements a little tragic. Set a bumble filter to 36-42 and you will see so many women who “might want kids”, “want someday” or “have and want more”
The last group have a bit of a chance because of prior pregnancy. But not much of one
[deleted] 4y ago
Yeah but who wants to risk having a downsy child with a post-wall, mentally ill spinster?
KoloGupta 4y ago
There's nothing tragic. They had every opportunity in life handed to them. Not for a second will they give a shit about any challenges you may ever experience in your life. They shat their bed and they are laying in it.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
Tragic might be the wrong word. But seeing so many misguided women who were clearly lied to. Both about how much of a catch they were / their options (either directly or just through events) and about that fertility cliff being a myth thing
The latter one especially. If women weren’t lied to about this - being told what they really really wanted to hear - then you wouldn’t see any “wand kids someday” in profiles about a certain age. But you do
It’s not a lot different from the poor guys (and I count myself as one) who blissfully strolled through my late teens and 20s assuming that just being kind and decent and getting at least a decent job would be enough when it really really isn’t
If I had been red pilled (and accepted it) at 18 I wouldn’t have wasted any time or concern at uni with my lack of female attention and I likely would have made some different work choices (abroad perhaps). Not dwelling on it because I can’t change it
Comforting lies and all that. The ones men are tricked into believing seem more insidious though as they are designed to keep us working like good worker bees. But the women ones seem to be the same as well now
Gosh I am somewhat conflicted about which lie is worse
Part of me wants to come down on the side of “the women’s one is so obviously stupid and has never been true”. Whereas the blue pill fantasy sold to men did use to work for many many men not so very long ago
KoloGupta 4y ago
Accepting that women were lied to is giving them a convenient excuse for their bad behavior. The reality is that women know the difference between right and wrong. They know which men are good for them and which are not. There was a post on this sub a while ago, I believe, in which a teenage girl told her dad that the nerd in her class was not someone to be dated. Her words were, "he's not the type of guy you date. He's the type of guy you marry".
Even at a young age, women and young girls know the difference. They know what they should do, but don't, because they won't suffer immediate consequences for making bad decisions.
Imagine you have a commercial flight booked. You are supposed to get to the airport a certain time before boarding and takeoff. What happens if you are late? If you're a first class passenger, the plane may wait for an extra five minutes. Realistically, if you're not on time, the plane will leave your ass behind.
We all understand that when we procrastinate, we are taking a risk of things not going according to plan. It's standard. Men and women understand this (although nothing is ever women's fault).
The narrative that women were lied to is a convenient excuse that absolves them of their poor decision-making and procrastination. It's also a convenient back pocket hail-Mary that allows you them to proceed with making poor choices and enable them to be shocked and awed when their consequences come home to roost.
There's no way nobody ever advised women against their bad decisions. These women simply chose to play procrastination roulette. Have you ever had a women turn you down years ago, then resurface after you've made something of your life, expecting you to bow down before her because she was ready to give you a chance? Do you know how fucking insulting that is? Did she do it because she was lied to?
Even the lies about dating around (shout out to Sheryl Sandberg) are not properly executed by women. They're supposed to date top tier guys and lock them down. The women instead, choose to date homeless men, thugs, drug dealers, bums, and convicts. The only effort these women put in is to make lackluster passes at the men they rejected in the past.
If lies have hurt anyone, men have been and are the ones taking the brunt of the lies. Countless men are currently trapped in miserable marriages. Countless men have been bent over without Vaseline by divorce courts.
Women are given every opportunity from birth. Their objective is extremely, exceedingly simple: at a young age, find a good, reliable man and stick by his side. It's not difficult. It's unbelievably easy for a woman to lock down a decent men when he's in his early to mid 20s, while he's still young, dumb, and full of cum. Instead, such a man is fleeced and kicked around like a FIFA ball.
No, being lied to is not an excuse for women. Sympathy only enables their bad behavior. If they shit in their bed, they have to lie in it.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
I have not had anyone who turned me down return. I’d say partly because I haven’t got myself into a position where I have sufficiently “made something of myself” where by I could suddenly be that Beta Provider that would make a woman settle so she could sit at home and not work
To and extent that is a good thing
Also my reaction to past breakups was so pathetic that it would have likely permanently damaged how said women viewed me (not that I would want them back)
Oh and I really didn’t go around shooting my shot loads when I was younger either so there isn’t a long list of people who rejected me in the first instance
Loads of failed first dates from OLD but those aren’t quite the same thing!
Closest is probably a uni friend who I was effectively an orbiter for. We’d catch up maybe twice a year. She’d basically indirectly rejected me years ago by having a loud open conversation about how she was only interested in tall guys (despite being tiny and talking to tiny friends) whilst I was sitting their on the same table as them. She’d do the usual thing about asking how my work was going which is polite conversation. But I expect our interactions may have been very different if I had said things like “amazing I have had multiple promotions and a six figure bonus”. Could be me just making things up. But again - it is good that it hasn’t happened that way as it would have been insulting like you say
KoloGupta 4y ago
It's okay. It's better to look ahead, whatever the case. The good news is that you're learning. This way, you won't become a sucker target for a predatory woman.
The saying goes, "watch what she does, not what she says". This is the very definition of lying, and it applies to all women, whether they do it intentionally or not. She probably just felt important because a couple of tall guys used her for routine maintenance.
Ultimately, remember we as men want sex. All that love crap is just our small head playing tricks on our big head. I personally find the risk to be too great for the rewards. Not just in financial terms, but where freedom and peace of mind are concerned as well.
That "be yourself" piece of advice will lead you down a very long and painful road. Getting laid does require some creativity. A friend of mine used to go to bars to chat up women, before the pandemic hit. I used to get upset with him because he never had success, but the women certainly got the attention they needed for the evening. Attention should never be free, if you're getting nothing out of it. Too many women nowadays milk men for attention. Just my opinion.
All part of learning. The key is to move forward and not repeat past mistakes.
In person dates, or just women stringing you along online? Understand that women can order dick online like Chinese food. When you're competing with Chads for even fatties, the deck is stacked heavily against you. It's extremely unlikely you'll be successful through that avenue. It's too impersonal.
Pre-tinder, I had a moderate amount of success from online dating. It took a couple of years and hundreds of messages to get the hang of it. In person however, was very direct. It was easy to gauge interest, and get an answer on the spot. Even at that, a good amount of women flaked. You can also see what the women look like, as opposed to getting a 2 stone surprise. It was hands down better than OLD nonetheless. Something to think about.
KoloGupta 4y ago
Something an old mentor taught me is that too often, people focus on their weaknesses and work focus endlessly on trying to improve them.
What people should be doing is identifying their strengths and constantly improving those. As a numbers man, you can become better with them. You can branch out outside of finance, you you likely will never become...a top surgeon, for example.
This is just women coming to terms with the fact that their time is running out. Fast.
I was told by female relatives that women love a nice, kind, courteous, well-dressed gentleman. I spent close to a decade chasing my tail, following this advice. It happens to all of us. Leave it in the past and move forward.
You nailed it. The lies harm men far, far more. Even women being in the workplace harms men more than it does, women. Men produce far more than women do.
Women run HR in virtually all medium and large companies. They are the first line when it comes to hiring. Do you think they make their decisions based on qualifications? Sure, qualifications may get a man an interview, but he stands a high chance of not passing that first interview because that HR lady didn't feeeeel it from him. Imagine a HR woman interviewing for an engineering position while knowing nothing about engineering. Same
Consider also the we need more women in the workplace mindset. Who is to say that HR women won't be biased in favor of female candidates?
Let's also consider how the workplace changes with women in it. Men now have to worry about worry about false accusations and bei g thrown under the bus for saying the "wrong" tho g and inadvertently hurting someone's feelings.
Be careful about being compassionate about people who will never give a shit about you. This is the mindset that the media and movies like The Titanic teach.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
Someone very recently told me something very similar. But more about how instead of dwelling on weaknesses I should look for the corresponding strength as they believed all weaknesses had a corresponding strength
Weirdly that meant when I tried to think of what I thought my weaknesses were I suddenly immediately froze and couldn’t articulate them. Of course they exists but more are likely a more general negative malaise rather than actual weaknesses.
It is a useful mindset that I need to try and keep in mind should the malaise creep back.
As to the women in work - I agree and have seen it. I know of useless women who make loads of false complaints (that can be proven false) that can’t be fired due to the HR being terrified of discrimination complaints (thankfully not in my work)
I can also see women returning for maternity leave and getting promoted quite quickly whereas a man who has any time away (even if it is still at work in a separate area of the business) apparently doesn’t have the right relevant recent experience to justify this.
And heaven forbid a guy try to move to 3 or 4 days a week and ever hope to advance again. They’d be judged for why they chose to do that etc
My ramble was starting from an attempt to feel compassion but was still coming down on the side of “they still have it better and their lies aren’t as bad as the ones men are told”. That just wasn’t super clear
KoloGupta 4y ago
The sisterhood looks after its own. Women will collude with HR to screw over men to get ahead. Even with all the devious tactics, women rarely get that far ahead. They're content to sit in a cushy management position forever, for the same pay.
I forgot about this. Women love the status that comes with promotions. They like lower and middle management positions; nothing too difficult, where they can engage in busy work so it looks like they're working and know what they're doing. Meanwhile, they accomplish very little.
I've always found the maternity leave bit stupid. You hire someone, train them, then let them take off for a year, hire and train someone in the interim to hold their job for them, etc. All very useful for running a job, I'm sure.
I had a heavily pregnant woman apply for a job at my retail store once. My boss warned me against it, as I would have had to bend and fold like an origami to accommodate her. I would have had to accept no-shows, lateness, poor performance, a cushioned chair for her to sit in, as well as holding her job for her for a year. I had sales targets to hit a d pampering would have been detrimental.
It brought back memories of a girl I'd fired shortly before. She didn't show up for work because she'd been partying and getting drunk and laid the night before. I was stuck working alone for four hours during an extremely busy Christmas season day and desperately needed to take a shit, but couldn't for 4 entire hours. How's that for stress?
Yes, the lies told to men are worse but the tide is turning. Men still get the last laugh at the end of the day. Nobody gives a shit about women once they hit expiry other than their family members. With the spinster epidemic looming, some folkses is gonna have some serious challenges.
KoloGupta 4y ago
Its never too late and yes you can. You absolutely can. It may not be easy, but it's far from impossible. People who are successful didn't spend their time wallowing and being afraid to make a change.
Edit: I don't know who downvoted you but I can't fault them.
You sometimes come across as having no belief in yourself and tend towards self-pity. If you sit back and wait for food fortune to fall in your lap well, you may be waiting a while.
The first step is to believe that what you want is possible. Next is to actually do something about it. Believe me, there are lots of people who would be happy to help you on your journey. You however, have to take the first steps.
Cheers Mate.
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
I appreciate what you are trying to say and you are right in principle but I meant that I literally cannot go back in time and change the past. Not that I couldn’t change my circumstances
That isn’t self pity - that is realism. I can’t undo 10+ years of incorrect choices and replace them with 10+ years of better work choices. It just isn’t how time works
But agreed that I can change things going forward
Oh and I come across as having no belief in myself and tending towards self pity because those things are true. I do have significant self esteem issues. I recognise that which is at least a somewhat important step in trying to resolve them. I just obviously need to take the next ones !
KoloGupta 4y ago
I get it. Rejections can a person feel rather worthless. The past has happened and is long gone. We have the future to look forward to.
Chiliresident 4y ago
Their bitterness just seeps through the comments. “We can’t admit that men were right about our window of opportunity for marriage. we must defend delaying commitment at all costs until WE decide!” As always younger women will ignore these women and consider them losers and unwanted until they reach their age and the cycle repeats. It’s sad but is the result of a degenerate culture that conditions young girls to be whores for hawt guys until they’re no longer hot. These soon to hit the wall gals used to be able to stick the landing with a naive beta with cash but these guys have wised up and are walking away. Invest in senior women nursing homes they will be a lucrative business venture in the future.
FlowComprehensive390 4y ago
Of course they're bitter, they've spent all of their lives driven by FOMO and now they're realizing that they're still missing out because they made choices that closed off other avenues - as all choices do. They failed to plan ahead and are now confronting the fact that the thing they wanted their whole lives is no longer an option thanks to their FOMO-driven wasted youth.
CA-GMOW 4y ago
Goof idea! It's going in my business ideas now!
GundamZero83 4y ago
Wife and I got together at 23, and started having kids, pair bonding be a thing (almost 40 now)
Euphoric-Cycle1688 4y ago
I don't understand, I thought women don't want sex (as men generally do) so that their husband sticks around, but it seems they all messed up for lustful reasons
on the other hand I'm aware that women chase Tyrones for the tingles (she said she got punched lmao)
_Remember_me_not_ 4y ago
It's funny, how they try to ignore the reality and cite a few rare examples of unfortunate men getting caught up in the cougar trap and also, try to blame young women who go for older men; I mean why would any sensible young girl want a dependable, stable, maybe rich and successful older men, I wonder.
[deleted] 4y ago
I feel bad for the dude who don't know it's coming. Just having this discussion you know she's already decided to drop the hammer. It's just a matter of when.
NoonTimeHoopsMVP 4y ago
That same poster keeps whining about red pill shit but doesn't offer a counterpoint.
So why should I dismiss the red pill? There is no viable rebuttal.
Fosho907 4y ago
Thank you
KangarooCrapper 4y ago
Watch your step.its a doozy...
Fosho907 4y ago
I’m glad I read the rational male..thank you rollo tomasi
KangarooCrapper 4y ago
Same...He's the bomb!! Watch his weekly podcast also..I can't get enough of it..
Fosho907 4y ago
Agreed same here
Richard-Long 4y ago
It's almost like their seeing the fault of their own ways now lmao
CarpAndTunnel 4y ago
We need to silence these hate filled misogynists. How dare they spew this vile hate speech myhts against women.
LateralThinker13 4y ago
LOL "Red Pill Rhetoric" about hitting the wall? That's hilarious. It's not rhetoric, ladies, it's demonstrable fact, as evidenced by your own words.
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 4y ago
"Dangerously close to red pill rhetoric."
Even when the truth of TRP is staring them in the face they try to suppress the narrative.
thisisnotyourconcern 4y ago
The interesting thing I've noticed is that they've essentially accepted the fundamental premise of The Wall in that thread, but they can't bear to refer to it as such.
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 4y ago
Or, admit that TRP is truth and they've fallen for the feminism crabs in a bucket lie.
PhantasyBoy 4y ago
Just go out with a 50 year old guy!
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_No-Waifu-No-Laifu_ 4y ago
Nobody is entitled to sex, affection, or relationships, incel!
Unless its damaged goods post wall women, in which case theyre entitled to that as well as a mans money, property, and very life lmao.
empatheticapathetic 4y ago
I guess it's called the redpill for a reason.
cryptothrow2 4y ago
Note the complaints around age. When I was younger, the more attractive women were clear with me that they preferred older men. Sometimes 10+ years older. This is since when I was 13.
ess2019 4y ago
next time please just do slides
InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4y ago
If they are anything like me they don’t know how to do that on Reddit . Found a few profiles in my time that really need two pages but the image sharing page I used couldn’t do that
And it didn’t seem high enough priority to research !
couldnotjointhedance 4y ago
I saw that you were originally downvoted so I upvoted you. Good suggestion! I assume since I can only use URL, that if I link to an imgur gallery with multiple images it will convert it to slides?
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Yeah, try that imgur hosting site. It's pretty easy. Then you just link your imgur post when you post here.
CentralAdmin 4y ago
Ha! Red Pill called this shit years ago.
A bunch of single women/future cat ladies who would lament their poor choices and wonder where the good men are.
The millennial women scoffed at the thought. They were in their late 20s and thought the good times would never end. They called the men losers for not being good enough.
They still haven't realised they are the losers. I think one said she accepted she would be single for life. The rest are wrestling with the idea that they fucked up and, surprisingly, it might not be men's fault. Except like one who said men should be willing to settle for women their age, but, hypocritically, women should never settle for less than what they want.
It is offensive to women to have to compromise for men's benefit but men are expected to compromise for women's benefit. When men treat women how women treat men it is like oppression to them.
Oh how the turntables...
DonDuarte 4y ago
Depressing for them. Young women tend to treat young men like easily replaceable shit. Even some of those in the comments saying "I'm considering breaking up but..."
Bitch, break up if you are unhappy and fuck off that man's life. He doesn't deserve being treated by your fake love while you consider his replacement.
Nowadays people don't have respect.
justaguyinbrooklyn 4y ago
doesn't matter if the cunt is 25 or 45, the same delusions. morons, and I bet they are all chubby.
maruadventurer 4y ago
37 and wants to settle down and have kids. That freight train left the station a decade ago.
Toaster224 4y ago
Love it when they end up with a solution that basically involves begging older men to date them. There's no value proposition, no argument in favor of it, they literally have nothing other than to post passive aggressive shit calling everyone a pedophile or shaming younger women who date up.
JohnnySkidmarx 4y ago
Many of the comments in that thread had me shaking my head laughing. This goes especially for the ones that wanted to sow their wild oats and now feel regret on kicking a good man to the curb. Zero sympathy for them.
upsidedownbackwards 4y ago
So they went through their whole lives picking and choosing men. But now that men want to make sure their a good fit they don't have time for that.
Nesfan888 4y ago
Damn many of these sound like my mother
heyyy-kiddo 4y ago
Self burn,those are rare.
_No-Waifu-No-Laifu_ 4y ago
Same. Hurts to see her do it to herself but she borderline disowned me when I called her out.
AmbitiousHornet 4y ago
Lots of laughs with this one and I particularly like the very last comment. A an older male, and I am trying to be kind, let's just say that the mileage is very high if we talk about the traditional 4-year age-gap. I rarely meet a woman in that age-gap that I would have any interest in. Let's just say that they're packed for a very long cruise, if you take my meaning. Even women 20-years younger than me present unresolved issues. My mileage is fairly low and my portfolio would exceed that of most any woman within 20-years of my age. My current passion is not women, it's motorcycles and I may throw a watercraft into the collection, they are pleased to share my company and they don't talk back.
LetsGoAllTheWhey 4y ago
As an older man I would have to agree with you.
I've bounced back financially from a divorce that happened 12 years ago. And, I've worked hard to stay in shape consistently since being a teenager. There are very few women even 10-12 years younger than me that I find physically attractive. The overwhelming majority of women any where near my age are in pitiful physical condition.
Call me shallow if you like, but I'm just not interested in spending my hard-earned money on someone that I'm not attracted to.
AmbitiousHornet 4y ago
Concur. Although I am retired, I still felt the need to be productive and work a very physically demanding job and am in great shape for my age. I too am divorced (once) about 16-years ago and kept all of my major assets. You and I think alike on the condition of women in our age range. It is not shallow, IMHO, to want to be with someone that you are attracted to, and because of many factors, only a much younger woman would catch my attention at this point in time.
Hostile-Bip0d 4y ago
Have you ever noticed how aggressive women are when they are when they talk about relationships, it's like a spoiled brats meeting complaining that their mom wouldn't buy them the new 5k dollars smartphone.
asdf333aza 4y ago
"Dating women 10 years younger". We warned them, they wouldn't listen. Your looks are so you can snag a man young. Don't be mad at younger women for not making the same mistakes you made.
Iambeejsmit 4y ago
Honestly this just kind of depressed me to read