Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
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5. Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy". (Examples, details)
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5b. No posts of women who are merely fat, post-wall, unattractive, seeking sex or money, nor women merely behaving badly. (Examples NOT allowed)
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6. No personal information in dating profiles or social media accounts. Take a screenshot and censor all names, social media, hometown, school, and place of work. Additionally, censor any children's faces if their mommy included them in any profile photos.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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Time-Amount187 2y ago
Simple explanation. She thought she was such hot sh*t that this rejected guy would plead with her, but when he didn’t her massive ego was injured. Good for that guy for moving on.
Sea-Buffalo 2y ago
Men are not going to chase her endlessly to stroke her ego. Those days are gone.
They want equality so they can enjoy it.
Det_Steve_Sloan 2y ago
Googled this. The female in question is obese.
ScottyHoliday 2y ago
I remember a friend getting harshly rejected after attempting polite conversation with a random woman at a lounge. She then proceeded to remain in his general area and stare at him all night. Their first reaction is 'No', usually a knee jerk reaction designed to milk more attention/validation. She seriously thought he was supposed to keep trying to 'break the ice'.
lethargic_apathy 2y ago
What the hell? I see posts every other day talking about how men are awful because they persist after being told no. Yet here we see a guy respecting her boundaries and he's somehow the bad guy for that? Wtf do women want?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
Everything! Nothing! Fried ice!
JUST FIGURE IT OUT!!!
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
The cow says moooooooooooooood
[deleted] 2y ago
He did what was right. I'd have done the same, life's to short to be feeding females egos, they have enough simps doing that already.
Endovelico 2y ago
Everytime I do this (which is pretty much everytime a chick replied that way) they go nuts.
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Last time I did this, the chick actually had to go to a mental hospital for 3 weeks. And she was the one to call it off.
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Did she sue you for causing stress and anguish?
Endovelico 2y ago
Nope, she did end up calling me up for coffee and we did end up banging within the hour.
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After that she broke up again (I wasnt even taking it as something serious, just wanted to nut) and I did the same thing. She probably went nuts again, because I kept seeing her contact on social media intermenttintly as unexisting and normal (meaning, she was actually blocking me on social media, then regretting it and adding me again, then going back to blocking me, etc)
Initial-Ad463 2y ago
I had this kind of chick who was doing the same thing on social media. I couldn't understand what she is trying to achieve with it because I wasn't messaging her or anything similar. What's the point of blocking somebody when there is not interaction between them? Just pointless, childish.
Endovelico 2y ago
She is trying to signal she is over you in the hopes of making you think about her (either to punish you or try to kickstart something). Thats how they think because the one thing they are deathly afraid of is being ignored or forgotten.
[deleted] 2y ago
Wait. What? Effort? Pressure? She wanted him to, like, work, and then apply pressure?
Pressure is bad. Pressure is rapey. You're not supposed to pressure girls to date/have sex/whatever. Whenever we men apply pressure or keep going when we meet resistance, we are called criminals, rapists, sexual assaulters, and sexual harassers.
Can you women please make up your minds? Which is it? Do you want us to push a little or not? Do you want us to put effort in or not? Do you want us to press you, or not?
JFC.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
WhO hUrT yOu MuH sOgGy KnEeS sTiCk InKeL???
Making up your mind is a tool of the patriarchy!!!
BluepillProfessor 2y ago
Oh they want that be pressed.
They also have want the power to say no, retroactively if they decide to get revenge that way.
Risking Your dick and life is how they get off.
dalicatatonia 2y ago
The secret is: women want you to demonstrate a willingness to lose everything for (to) them.
By applying pressure, you're showing you're willing to suffer legal and social consequences for the relationship.
Later, you'll get married and then she'll take half your shit and make you support her with payments for the rest of her life.
amameyplebbitor 2y ago
She probably wanted him to refuse to let her go and double down on his decision to make her his Kween. He should want to slay dragons and fight an army for his Kween of Twatter. However, to the Kween's dismay, he was no Knight but a Warrior. Oh God, Oh Saints. No effort. No pressure applied. I'm devastated, the Kween bawled from the top of her castle while the Warrior distanced himself to plow more fertile grounds.
-TakeDownMan- 2y ago
Nice.
HugeQock 2y ago
It's comments like these that redeem reddit.
SolidStateDynamite 2y ago
Effort, like anything else, is good when the guy is hot, and bad when the guy is ugly.
I remember a post on here a good while back about a girl with a picture of some buff guy with his hand around her neck. Obviously not in an abusive way; they were both smiling at the camera. But there were responses from other girls included, all along the lines of "I'd let him choke me too."
Getting choked is good when the guy looks like Dwayne Johnson. It's creepy and abusive when he looks like Steve Urkel. I'd wager most of us mere mortals are not in the top echelon of attractiveness, so we all fall on the Steve Urkel side of the scale.
42252252 2y ago
And it's just not only about looks. Too often guys will bring out a folder of ugly popular guys that get loads of female thirst, because they project their own thinking processes on women. There are some ugly-ish dudes out there that get swooned over.
It makes more sense to the left brained fellas to say she'll set up a slip n' slide in them panties if she believes other women would love to be choked by the guy, too.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
And when it is not serious. Controlled danger.
dalicatatonia 2y ago
Not necessarily. I remember reading somewhere that a large percentage of rape victims orgasm. I'm talking about complete strangers. It's kind of sickening, so don't think about it too much.
42252252 2y ago
It makes sense, when you think about human evolutionary pressure. The body would have to react somewhat favorably just to survive. If not, then the lack of sexual response would just be replace by massive tissue damage, blood sepsis, etc. Evolutionarily, chances are that anyone who didn't respond that way died off, and their line ended. Many, many generations of people didn't have the luxury of safety we do today.
It's a bit unfair that they never talk about it, because it causes a LOT of undue stress for victims out there who can't square up the mental horror with physical response.
i7dE09 2y ago
Damn men, you have to want me! Get back here!
CappuccinoPapi 2y ago
So I can keep pushing you back and feel like a celebrity avoiding paparazzi
[deleted] 2y ago
2 months of talking???
If within two months I haven't gotten the most mind-blowing blowjob she could give, I'm long gone. Imagine spending 1/6th of the year in the talking stage.
F.
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*Two weeks
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
[Two weeks] (https://i.giphy.com/media/diXrgHOhraudy/giphy.webp)
[deleted] 2y ago
No it said two months in the screenshot.
[deleted] 2y ago
My point is that any self respecting man should not have to wait more than 2 weeks for sex from women who give it up for chad on the first night...
Women MAKE rules for betas and BREAK rules for alphas.
[deleted] 2y ago
Ohhh. I get you now.
Tbh, for me I don't do sex on the first date because I would treat it as purely a litmus test to see if I actually like the woman and would be interested in spending more time with her.
If anything doesn't happen in 5 dates, it's clear she's not interested and I move on. I don't say 3 excuse I don't want the girl to be pressured, but I say 5 because I don't want to waste my time.
[deleted] 2y ago
True... A man needs to evaluate how crazy a woman is before he sticks his dick in her... Because they ALL come with malware installed. NO woman is below 4 (out of 10) on the crazy scale.
Blackbarnabyjones 2y ago
THIS!
[deleted] 2y ago
Not just crazy, you need to decide if she's worthy of the dick.
Don't act like women don't do the same for us, fellas. She's probably made her mind quicker than you did. It's just that women are better at hiding.
NohoTwoPointOh 2y ago
Lord, I wish motherfuckers would read this over and over and over.
I keep seeing this bargainer's fantasy about virgins and low n count and pair-bonding....
IT'S ALL BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AWALT! AWALT! AWALT!
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[deleted] 2y ago
See, you're at a more fortunate stage than I am- at 22, I'm still quite inexperienced, and so the desire for sex is as understandably almost pathological. But I can still be decisive and selective about this.
NPFFTW 2y ago
I'm in the unfortunate position where I develop strong feelings extremely quickly, and having sex just makes it worse. I specifically avoid sex until I'm convinced she's interested in a long-term relationship, because if she leaves after we've done the horizontal tango, it will crush me.
EmceeHammer1 2y ago
I had a girl tell me she wasn't ready for a relationship in my 20's and I responded similar but with out blocking. I didn't understand her game back then, but I still ignored her after that. A week later tops she approached me and asked if I wanted to hang out. She put out on the first date.
[deleted] 2y ago
Ew hope you wore a condom cuz shes definitely dirty af
Enough-Staff-2976 2y ago
Boss level up
gregmcmuffin101 2y ago
I'm guessing she honey potted you too and didn't put out ever again after that
EmceeHammer1 2y ago
she did actually, she was a total slut lol.
CuriousIncel2 2y ago
Now I understand what they mean by "done with games, looking for something serious".
They're done with torturing other people (for fun, now it's time to play serious game for money aka marriage).
hmmmletmethinkboutit 2y ago
Yeah GAMES, with an S. They are ready to play only one game.
Hunic_legionary 2y ago
Okay call me an idiot but what is so good about marrige? all i see is downsides with barly any positive
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If you get divorced you lose half ur shit
[deleted] 2y ago
A good marriage is the dream of just about everyone, but it rarely works out the way we expect. In the old days bad marriages were just as common, but you were culturally and legally obligated to stick around, ball-and-chain for life. But the dream was the same and always has been.
I've been married to an *excellent* wife for 20 years. She didn't start off that way and it could have gone very badly I guess, but she's one of the extremely rare women that takes her faith seriously (and therefore her marriage). I do not recommend a state marriage for any man these days, but that good marriage thing does happen when hypergamy is restrained. I've seen it happen. Barring that, yeah you're better off not marrying.
mnomoto 2y ago
No upsides.
Hunic_legionary 2y ago
Then why is everyone wants to marry?
mnomoto 2y ago
They’re blindly following society’s banal life scripts. That’s why.
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Romance.
BluepillProfessor 2y ago
Women want to marry for the dress and the party and the attention and for power.
Men want to marry because they are hopeless romantic and think it can't happen to them.
But.it can.
xkulp8 2y ago
100% of divorcees thought they had found The One.
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Hunic_legionary 2y ago
Sometimes married parents can be a disaster as well as singel parents can be good
LongLive-Employment 2y ago
All statements have exceptions - it’s not better to focus on the minority of exceptions
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Hunic_legionary 2y ago
Well im one exemple
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Hunic_legionary 2y ago
My point is that there is no point in arguing that one is bad and the other is good because not everyone can be an Archduke
[deleted] 2y ago
He spent two months presumably chatting w her online. She decided to play the “relationship” card and he folded. Dude was done adding sunk costs to what was not going anywhere, while she wanted him to beg. She wasn’t into him, she was into being wanted.
Rules have changed lady.
Initial-Ad463 2y ago
To be honest, I wouldn't spend two months. Just too much. If she doesn't want to meet after a couple of messages, she is just playing games.
Joaquino7997 2y ago
I don't get these women.
If he was willing to talk to her online for two months, then he did make an effort.
And by her telling him she "wasn't ready for a relationship," he took her word at face value, cut his losses and ultimately cut her off. I would have done the same.
Why tell him 'go away' if you want him to stay?
Ancient-Length8844 2y ago
>Why tell him 'go away' if you want him to stay?
Borderline/narcissistic personality disorder
manfrom-nantucket 2y ago
His effort is never enough man. It's never enough. These idiots think that they are royalty.
Zerochances121 2y ago
Women can't have it both ways. They can't demand to not pressed into a relationship but then complain a guy is boring after a while of talking online. At least us guys try to talk to them in a way that there's less commitment but "no it's wrong".
Expensive first dates aren't the way to go. We aren't giving them money for their feelings to get in the way.
Five_Decades 2y ago
She's trying to get him under her thumb. She wants him as a desperate beta orbiter who is obsessed with her and backup guy, but after 2 months of trying to turn him into that, instead he walked away without fighting for her.
RoleplayPete 2y ago
Because she wanted 2 things. First. She wanted to be touted as the prize. She wanted to be fought for, competed over, and chased.
Second, she, like every woman on earth is ready for, willing to be in, and desired a relationship. Just not with him. She wanted to keep him on the hook while she continued fishing to see if she had upgrade options or not.
wathon2 2y ago
if they talked for two month and didn't meet up. It wasn't going anywhere anyway; and he knew it. And she is definitely fucking around during that time.
She was just playing game, one of those shit test women love so much. Probably Chad pumped and dumped her and she was looking for beta validation. Good thing he didn't took the bait.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Oh you silly misogynistic shit lord. Silly you, expecting them to be consistent. Such projection of your toxic masculinity onto her
LaLa_Land543 2y ago
If he had for some reason given her the smidgiest of “pressure” (btw, what a word to choose!), then he would have been instantly screenshotted and torn apart as a Nice Guy. Or called an ist of some kind. Or worse. He was straightforward after showing a huge amount of patience. She was not. Then they wonder why all the men are driven away. I want to beat it into their head: It’s game playing. THIS is games. Re-evaluate your opinion of your worth and also, be an adult.
ETA: And ‘devastated?’ Jeez lady, devastated is when your dog dies. Not when you stop texting with someone you Snapchatted with for a few weeks.
42252252 2y ago
The bar for devastation is quite low, when you live the sufficiently coddle lives we've made possible for the young'uns today.
Just meet a group of teens, they introduce themselves by talking up the greatest "trauma" in their life. Too bad, 'dead gramma' and 'litter of puppies run over by truck', this bad guuuuurl has "childhood leukemia' in her hand! Victimization worship is waxing in cultural cachet.
tiernach 2y ago
Because psychologically torturing guys is their hobby
Neldot 2y ago
There is a reason for it tho, and it's not sadism. It's because they crave VALIDATION. Validation is power. And a guy that endures her tortures just to talk with her will give her an humungous surge of power and validation.
SoulRebel99 2y ago
Eww, can we weed this trait out of women by not sleeping with girls that play games,( a bit like operant conditioning)
tiernach 2y ago
I’m not sure that makes it better. They’re torturing guys for their own ego and they know it.
[deleted] 2y ago
Like the other guy said, I believe its about attention more. This obviously induces ego in them as well. Why wouldn't it? when there are tons of beta orbiters constantly ready to do her bidding anyday, anytime.
ntvirtue 2y ago
Yeah that is what gives them validation and a sense of power.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
It doesn't make it better. It just makes it understood.
Jdtrinh 2y ago
Sadism and validation are not mutually exclusive. It can definitely be both. Those people are dangerous when they hold power over others as the torture is necessary to continue to feed their self-worth; continuous feedback loop.
[deleted] 2y ago
Because almost everything a woman does is a shit-test.
Hypergamy never sleeps.
BluepillProfessor 2y ago
Almost?
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Yes, almost.
When they actually take a shit, it's the real deal and not a test
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DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
There could be 100 reasons, but here is the most likely answer:
She was told by women her whole life that if a man REALLY wants you, he will chase you. Men like the chase. They NEED the chase. If you make it too easy for him, he will not respect you, etc.
But what they apparently did not tell her is that those games are 40-50 years out of date. Playing "hard to get" is one of grandma's foolish reindeer games, not a modern woman's strategy to finding a mate.
It would be reasonable to think "oh, well NOW she knows"
No, she doesn't. Her girly crowd will rally around her and tell her how men are just disgusting and only want one thing, etc.
And SHE was the one who ended it, technically.
DoTheSnoopyDance 2y ago
The rules are so out of date that if a man is wrong about if a woman secretly likes him and is interested, and he chases, he could end up publicly shamed, accused, or in jail.
askmrcia 2y ago
Yup its literally considered "harassment" or "creepy" now.
How many times are we told to "learn to take a hint?"
Loud-Bottle-7879 2y ago
Hard to get still works, they just have to play it across the board. The problem is, they are only hard to get for some guys while others just show up and get the legs. There is no consistency in their game which is why it does not work.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Agreed. Listen, I get it. Some women get hit on ALL the time. I can imagine that this gets annoying sometimes. So these women put on a front to keep weak men away.
The challenge with that is the most aggressive knuckleheads are likely the only one willing to push past that. After all it is a facade.
And because her whole existence involves her blocking all the decent men, and being surrounded by the clowns, she develops a bad image of men. Also, she tends to bang one of the clowns sooner or later. Then "all men are bad" happens and it's all downhill from there.
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phinsmagic298 2y ago
You’re so aware of how “strange” it is to be “chasing a man” that what you consider is the right thing, you could be subconsciously coming off as unauthentic.
ManifestJenn 2y ago
That's fair.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Well, that is one HELL of a question.
I do not have any specific readings for you, but consider this as a frame of reference or perspective as you make your way forward. It might also answer a question or two about your current situation.
Being on this sub will help you to gain insights into how good men think, what they strive for, and HOW they go about getting it.
Here are a few thoughts to consider:
Good luck.
ManifestJenn 2y ago
I appreciate your response. Personal evolution is a priority for me. I'm genuinely asking, not just as a means to communicate with him but also to grow beyond my initial thought process. If you can Imagine I've dated three men my entire life, two of which were over a decade. LoL I have been casually seeing this man for a year and a half- plus. I don't like most female mentalities and some humans can be horrible. That is my general thought process so you hit that spot on.
Anyway, this is excellent insight that I appreciate.
Re: Dom
You're right here too. I've had an interesting experience trying to date while also having a career and having a mentality that supports some gender roles that are less popular with "modern" females. Some men perceive me as too dominate regardless of how feminine I am because of my position and females think that I cater too to this man that I'm casually dating. Neither side likes me and really it's none of their business but it's a HUGE issue. Lol The sub groups at least help me with perception.
I hadn't considered that he will not commit to a relationship. I loathe the thought of marriage so that's not an issue. I guess what I'm really hoping for is an extension of trust and intimacy. I may be making excuses for him but we were close for some time only for it to turn in to mostly sexual engagement. I won't hold on to him too much longer but I do want to consider a change in my perception especially of I am in fact the problem. Lol
Anyway!
I'm very grateful for your response.
bilgediver 2y ago
Try working on scheduling outings with him mid-day outside of your places of domicile. Men don't bond by sitting down and talking. We bond by doing things. So many women try to force men to meet them on "her" terms. Try meeting him on his terms. Go bowling, go hiking, go minature golfing, go go-karting.
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Sitting down for Brunch or for coffee for 2 hours and doing nothing but talking is boring for us. It literally makes us feel like we aren't doing anything. Why do you think none of us really like the "real housewives" shows. They don't do anything. They just sit around and get upset at each other over talking.
ManifestJenn 2y ago
I'm very much in to things he likes to do. That usually means sex with me, at his demand. Lol Fair point. He is very much in to coffee and travels frequently. Most often I have to fly to him - there are some restrictions because of that and the fact that we're both usually working but your overall point is helpful and good.
I prefer books or adventure to The Real Housewives too lmao I don't blame you there.
Thank you for your response.
bilgediver 2y ago
The problem is they misinterpret it. "The Chase" is in the middle of the courting ritual. Its clear both parties are interested, but "The Chase" is all about how far the woman is willing to let the man go. They are already in a relationship. Some idiotic women interpret that to mean what this weirdo thought.
BeholdTheHair 2y ago
Bang on.
In my experience, they're not wrong about men enjoying the chase - provided we can be reasonably sure it's going somewhere. As u/DeeplyDisturbed1 said, it's a dance between clearly mutually-interested parties, and when done properly it's a lot of fun.
Problem is a lot of these women have confused the chase/dance with "making the man jump through hoops," and a lot of those who haven't seem to want to lead the dance, then get upset when the man either disengages or doesn't read her mind and artfully steal the lead from her in just the way she subconsciously wants him to, all while allowing her to feel like she's still in charge - except when he shouldn't.
Men lead. It's what we do, an immutable fact of masculinity. We don't necessarily lead everything all the time under all circumstances - cooperating with other men under the leadership of another man is how Shit Gets Done, after all. Nor do we do so unilaterally, with no regard for the feelings and input of those under our leadership - that's not leadership, that's tyranny.
Generally, however, and especially with regard to romance between men and women, the man should be in the driver's seat. Both because he's the one who will naturally step up and take responsibility for shit, and because, whether or not they're consciously aware of it, the vast majority of women will want him to do so and will lose respect for him if/when this doesn't happen.
Blackbarnabyjones 2y ago
Just replying to this to save it in case account gets deleted. This is Bang on and I have lost too much good advice and knowledge by not doing this in the past.
Overkillengine 2y ago
Another issue is women abusing the chase dynamic to get free meals and entertainment with no intent of ever reciprocating with anything resembling genuine interest on her part.
I sure can't blame men for having a hair trigger eject button when that is so common.
Zerochances121 2y ago
A woman that enjoys things like hikes get more attractive everyday than someone who demands expensive dinner dates.
If there was actual buildup to the first date and the guy/girl knew each other for years(doesn't necessarily have to be childhood friends), an expensive first date has some justification. It's a big thing. But girls don't make the effort to date guys they've known for years. It doesn't have to be attraction the entire time either. Women are crazy for wanting a guy they barely know to take them out for expensive dates like this.
BeholdTheHair 2y ago
That's the point, though; if you don't know if she's really into you yet you shouldn't be chasing in the first place. Save that for the women who've demonstrated they're worth the effort.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
I agree with your whole post, and this part here. I just have a different take in it.
I take charge in some situations and not others. If I see a car crash and no one else is around, I take leadership and do what I can to make people safe. If there is an ambulance crew already there, I move along.
In relationships, I ALWAYS own the process. That's not the same as leadership in my view. I own my part of what happens and I decide how far I am willing to do - which these days is love, happiness, and sex, nothing more nothing less.
I take "leadership" in this way because my life is my own. I do not owe anything to a woman, and certainly not just because she gives me good sex. Tens of millions of women could easily give me that with relatively little effort.
A man should take charge because he has by far the most to lose AND the system is stacked against him from the get go. That's why a man should lead IMHO.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
Weak men do. These women reject themselves with all others and then wonder where all the good men are.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Some men like the chase for some time. Like a rler coaster, it can be fun for some people, for a few minutes. No one likes to spend their lives on a roller coaster. No one.
Ask any man who's considering
to acquiesce to his girlfriend's demands formarriage. Ask him what he thinks he'll gain from tying the knot. It's almost guaranteed that he'll give you some version of:Tag u/DeeplyDisturbed1
grandpawasright 2y ago
I would love to constantly chase after it but life is just too busy these days, but I'm better off for it. If I have an 1.5 hours of free time on a weekday it's a luxury. Then off to bed to recover for the next work day. I don't have time for bullshit, I just don't.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
True. The amount of time spent on the chase depends on whether you are doing the chasing or the one being chased. Women typically spend more time on the roller coaster, as we all know and see here. Most men cannot afford to waste time chasing. This is also why men want to get married as they think the old version of marriage still applies today. But, this is rarely the case. Most people should not get married and are unfit for marriage. Marriage should only happen when two people love each other and have the conviction to stand by each other for life. Sadly, once you get on the roller coaster, that kind of linear path becomes almost impossible.
mustangfrank 2y ago
This is true, but only for Chads, because they win 95% of the time. I was a wing man for one for a few years. He seldom lost.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
/u/moorekom and /u/loneliness-inc, all excellent points.
I said "The most likely answer" because these things can be all over the place. So I stand by my comment.
I have always preferred view dating as a dance. I take a step, she follows, I spin her, she rolls with it. She leans, I move and counter. It is all about fun and movement and coordination.
And with that, some women simply cannot dance. (literally and figuratively). They are too full of rules and shitty ideas and so their "movements" are stiff and awkward. Again, this can be for countless reasons, but I don' care about her reasons. I need a dance partner and I am not willing to do too much training. She has to be a good candidate to begin with. She has to have potential.
Simply put - If I detect certain signals with a woman (some would say IOI's) then I open the door. If she responds appropriately, things progress from there. There is a back and forth in which both sides move forward slowly, deliberately, and somewhat gracefully. It should feel good.
Blackbarnabyjones 2y ago
Dude. I took ballroom dance. Ballroom Latin Dance. Several times.
And 1/2 of those women were Joys to dance with.
The other 1/2 were a "Star Trek" Kirkian Death match - Two opponents circling, one trying to pin the other.
I was always like "you know we supposed to be dancing, right?"
BUT THE REAL BAD DANCERS - Were the "girls night out" gals in the club or party.
I'm not the best dancer, but I can make a girl look like she is the dancing queen if she just lets go and follows my lead.
NONE of these modern "gals" would let me lead or EVEN FOLLOW.
Dude, they were trying to SPIN ME like I was the girl.
Always trying to take charge, be the lead.
I go left, they go right,
I step left, they step left 'CRUNCH' goes some feet.
It was like being in a 50 car accident on a bridge that you couldn't escape no matter which way you turned.
I cannot speak for the mental, but
Even their physical body language and ABILITY to physically communicate WAS ALL FUCKED UP.
It was like a striaght male Dancing WITH STRAIGHT male CONSTRUCTION WORKERS.
A WHOLE lot of "Wtf?" and "oops, sorry, I'm in the wrong place." going on.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Now take that and turn each statement into one about dating. And BOOM! You have the average American woman on a date!
Clumsy, awkward, uncomfortable, seemingly not even there to do what that thing is even all about.
Gotta love it.
Blackbarnabyjones 2y ago
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 2y ago
Training can be fun if you have a partner willing to learn. Men like to teach and build. We have no issues with teaching a girl. We don't really want a ready-made woman. Women do. Women want a finished product. Men are fine with pliable raw material. Most times, men prefer it. Problem is, most women these days think that what makes men attractive to them is similarly applicable to their situation. Most never learn and do not want to learn.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Exactly my point. You just said it better!
42252252 2y ago
The dance analogy is true, but what do you call the underlying threat of violence via state system abuse? I know I'm the statistical outlier, but I've seen two pretty big false accusation cases in my schools, in addition to the ever-present first date "yeah my bf was super abusive" statements all over. Round all that out with a few times of seeing an awkward mofo get shitcanned from work (even the local industry) due to an approach towards dating, and it really lays bare how much power every girl has at her disposal.
I wouldn't be afraid of them, if I hadn't have heard them tell me so many times how appropriate they find it to abuse such systems to further their goals. I've hardly ever see disapproval towards our school/work falsities, if anything every girl would take the side of the liar out of solidarity.
Worse, they laugh about siccing the state dogs on a guy to begin with! I've heard "Oh, well he's a dick! You know you can tell the cops he abused you and he won't be allowed near the house, I/my sister/friend did it and it got her the house in her breakup, and they weren't even married! Ha!"
In terms of dancing, I just feel like there's always a little pocket pistol leveled at you, should you fail to entertain her, or should your corpse promise greater entertainment than your company.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
The way I look at life these days is this:
I am a visitor in this country. I don't truly understand all the culture and language, and I do not share the core values here. I imagine being an atheist in a Muslim country, in which people treat me very nicely. Over time I become more appreciative and come to enjoy more of their celebrations and customs. But I am NOT one of them. So I learn their rules and abide by them. The threat of me getting it wrong is significant and their warnings are not wasted on me. So I proceed with caution and enjoy the ride. This is not my circus and not my monkeys, so I have little skin in the game, so to speak. I have a gf, but she is free to leave whenever she likes. I just don't give her one. Sooner or later, she will want children. Sooner or later she will want a husband and a family - and I will miss her horribly when she leaves. But for now, I appreciate each day for the gift that it truly is. I am a blessed man, and so much good karma has come around for me after having experienced a lifetime of various troubles. I am not about to fuck that up at this point, or become paranoid about what might happen or not.
TL;DR - Don't let that shit get in your head.
BeholdTheHair 2y ago
John Hembling wrote an excellent article on this subject 7 years ago for AVfM.
I wish I had some sort of continuation or advice on how to fix the issue. Unfortunately, I don't think it's one that can be fixed. Protection of women is hardwired into our biology. It's a holdover from our ancient history when every woman you knew or were like to come into contact with was part of your tribe. Effectively family, so her welfare was your welfare.
The fact most of us now live in giant cities surrounded by people we don't and will never know is immaterial - it simply hasn't been anywhere near long enough for our instincts to evolve and adapt to this novel environment.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
I was able to approve your comment, but just so ya know: reddit auto-removed it due to your link.
BeholdTheHair 2y ago
Of course. I was perpetuating thought crime, after all.
Thanks for the assist, sir.
funny_like_how 2y ago
A few years ago I dated a girl for a few months who I later found out was bipolar who acted just like this chick.
By like month 3 she would text me all the doubts she had and that she wasn't ready for a relationship. I said that's fine and to be honest and not waste my time if this wasn't going anywhere.
She got really mad that I wasn't fighting for her or throwing an angry fit that she was "rejecting me." I had enough of her games and told her I didn't want to see her anymore. She texted me on and off for the next year trying to get me back, that it was all a test, that she wanted a relationship and to be taken care of, etc.
She was 30 years old. If you are 30 and still act like this, you need to reevaluate your life, behavior, attitude, and overall approach to relationships...
LaLa_Land543 2y ago
The “taking care of” phrase drives me nuts. Like you said, she’s 30. She should be independent by now, emotionally and physically. That phrase brings to mind diapering a toddler and warming a bottle for feeding.
Tangent: Isn’t it funny that taken care of and “taken care of” can mean two specifically different things? (One being loving and the other literally being whacked)
Aaaaand speaking of whacking, great username.
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LaLa_Land543 2y ago
yeah, you know. it’s funny, he’s a funny guy
OldSamVimes 2y ago
'I expected you to beg!!'
'Then you aren't really looking for a man.'
stanlee1951 2y ago
THIS
EastEndMontrealer1 2y ago
Ironically enough, I'm in a remarkably similar situation myself
Grevhimself 2y ago
Whatever you do, you’re doing the wrong thing lol
HugeQock 2y ago
I asked for X and received X and now im devastated.
Yet more proof to never, NEVER listen to a woman about what she wants.
Overkillengine 2y ago
Dudebro lowkey knew that anything other than a blatant "fuck yes" is a "fuck no" in disguise, and that it was not worth his time being an orbiter or dancing bear or whatever the fuck else her stupid little game was.
And fellas....also note that being polite and ghosting her is far more devastating to her ego than any amount of chastising her about being a timewaster or a thot. Reserve your displays of anger for women worth caring about.
Blackbarnabyjones 2y ago
THIS.
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 2y ago
This is all the advice any man needs right here. Well said, brother!
Natriumzyanid 2y ago
I just ghosted a chick. Was the first time for me and I am not proud of it but she texted me every 5 minutes. After admitting, that she is a bit crazy, I couldnt stand it anymore. Took her weeks to realize it
PolukranosWordEater 2y ago
Sorry bro I wouldn't wish my ex on anyone. Glad you left her.
lorum_ipsum_dolor 2y ago
Amen. By being polite you rob them of the ability to show the exchange to a friend and getting sympathy points. Oh sure, she'll still tell everyone you're a jerk, but it just isn't as sweet when she can't shove her phone in everyones face and say, "See, he was a complete asshole".
throwaway4291920 2y ago
Maybe, or she'll just say to everyone that you never cared about her, and here's the proof, he didnt fight for her!
Blogginginvicecity 2y ago
Absolutely. In dealing with narcissistic tendencies, every move you make is bad in their eyes. Best solution is the latter in your comment.
askmrcia 2y ago
She can claim that, but he did talk to her for two months according to her. Even her friends should see through that bs if she cries that he wasn't into her or fight hard enough.
DoctorMars81 2y ago
Hmm, I never thought about that. Good advice.
Bing_Bang_Bam 2y ago
My hand is growing more and more beautiful everyday.
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Yeah, but he didn't ghost her. He was honest, so was she, and then he was honest right back at her. He broke it off to her face, told her it was over, and disappeared. Done and dusted. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. No muss no fuss. That's how it should be.
He was a big boy and said what he wanted. She was a big girl and declined. He was a big boy and broke it off. She was... a selfish, whiny little bitch. She wants all his time, money and attention; while not giving him what he wanted.
Yeah, he wanted a relationship. So what? It's what he wanted, he spoke up for it. She won't give him what he wants. So he's out. And she can't respect that. She has to act like a spoiled brat who can't get what she wants, so she does the reddit equivalent of stomping her feet and throwing things.
No. She needs to shut up and take the L. You won't give him what he wants. He's not staying. Deal with it. Grow the F up.
Overkillengine 2y ago
Yeah she didn't give a shit about him as a person, just that her assumed toy walked away instead of letting her play Boy Brain Ball all she wanted.
chuck-u_farley 2y ago
But having an adult conversation would deprive her of drama points. I mean, in an ideal world where everyone acted like adults, you would be able to say to a woman: "Hi, I'm Chuck, I saw your profile and would like to get to know you. I am interested in [sex, FWB, relationship, hanging out and seeing where it goes, shopping for a wife]" and she would respond: "Thanks for the message Chuck, I am not interested in [X]." "Ok, thanks have a nice day."
--And there is no need for personal insults, hurt feelings, etc.
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But it can NEVER be that way. Because if a woman is propositioned by a man she thinks is "beneath" her, then she takes it as a personal insult that he even considered she might be interested in him. And she can't just "brush it off." She has to shame him and make him suffer some consequences for his insolence. How DARE the peasant speak to the queen in such a manner! Who do does he think he is?
Conversely, if a woman IS interested, she often plays this high school game of "hard to get" and says no when she means yes. But in today's culture, it is idiotic for any guy to play that game and face mee too allegations. So, when she says no, guys take it as a no. Now she is upset because she can't play her tingles game.
Original_Dankster 2y ago
Very astute.
Let's consider a hypothetical comparison from a man's perspective.
You're an accomplished professional in your field. You command respect amongst your peers and have a solid resume. Maybe you're a partner in a law firm or something similar.
But then the ambulance-chasing small time injury lawyer in the strip mall contacts you asking if you'd be interested in coming to his firm as an associate.
Not only would you refuse, you'd be insulted that this small fry had the gall to even consider you as being at his level. But the other lawyer genuinely respects you and wants to work with you, but doesn't realize you're out of his league. You might even joke about the guy's clueless approach with your other partners at your big shot firm.
That's how women perceive propositions from men whom they think are beneath their SMV/RMV.
skint_back 2y ago
Women often display disdain for men who are equal to their SMV/RMV value, also. Generally speaking, women will try to date above their class.
This is why we are seeing the modern hyper-inflation of female egos- because they often get pump and dumped by men above their class and this validation (even if it is purely sexual) gives them a false, inflated sense of self-worth.
chuck-u_farley 2y ago
Interesting comparison
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
You make a great point here.
There is a subtle, but distinct difference between ghosting, and going non contact. It is worthy of its own post. I may work something up on this topic.
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It's to the point now where a clear articulation of what you want is too much to ask. It's to the point now where neither men nor women can say
It's to the point now where we can't even do that. We are all so buffered that we cannot have the uncomfortable rejection conversation. We can't say
anymore.
Grow the F up, people.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
Agreed.
I always try to keep in mind that these are anecdotes. There are countless times when the more healthy conversation DOES happen. Those people tend to no post it to social media, so it never comes to light.
bilgediver 2y ago
lol I read this as her wanting a relationship but not adult enough to admit it. They play these weird games in their heads and think that's what we want.
F that shit.
Loud-Bottle-7879 2y ago
I read it as she wants a relationship, just not with him. Many such cases.
mustangfrank 2y ago
You are correct. If she really wanted him, she would have treated him better, for she would not want to lose him. She looked at him as a Beta orbiter and he realized it. So he hit the eject button.
Overkillengine 2y ago
And even if she were actually interested in him, it's still not worth his time and effort to jump through the hoops of a person with such an unhealthy approach to relationships.
Literally the only realistic option in this scenario is always for the guy to eject, the only variance is how tactful the ejection is. The posted example took away one of her dramallama buttons by being extremely polite when he had the option of immediately blocking or otherwise going no-contact with her.
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"I asked the waiter for steak and he brought me steak. Why didn't he bring me pizza!?"
DarkDoomDoom 2y ago
fucking parasite
GnomonA 2y ago
Women still don't understand how disposable they've let themselves become. Beyond sex, and maybe childbirth, none of them have any idea what it is they're meant to bring to a relationship. They all expect to be treated like queens but aren't worth the effort.
Hunic_legionary 2y ago
Or she could have said that you got my attention but you gotta keep me intrested wich is a green light that try a bit harder
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 2y ago
Women refuse to communicate overtly. Plausible deniability needs to be a thing.
BluepillProfessor 2y ago
That works if she gets off the guy first. If all he's got are memories of denial and games then at some point he will stop pursuing. This happened at a societal level around 1989.
SolidStateDynamite 2y ago
That sentiment would make a bit more sense if this was happening within the first few minutes of meeting someone, like "Ok, this guy seems interesting, let's see what else he brings to the table." But after two months? No self-respecting guy is gonna relegate himself to the status of a dancing monkey just because some woman can'y get a grip and figure out what she wants and how to get it. A 2-year-old on the tail end of a sugar high spews the exact same nonsense.
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No...unfortunately there are guys with no self respect who would relegate himself to the status of a dancing monkey.
But yes, your point still stands.
Hunic_legionary 2y ago
Dance monkey or just submited by pure curiosity?
SeedsOfDoubt 2y ago
Dance monkey dance
Hunic_legionary 2y ago
Was this meant to be an insult or is this adding to the conversation?
SeedsOfDoubt 2y ago
Both.
Hunic_legionary 2y ago
Well you need to work on both socrates
SeedsOfDoubt 2y ago
Others have already explained why "you got my attention but you gotta keep me intrested" an insult. It's the "dance monkey dance" narrative. After two months of wasting his time and energy she still wants more? Fuck that. He needed to move on earlier not work harder to get a crumb.
Women constantly raise the bar, for men. They are never satisfied with how things are now. She wants more time. More energy. And presumably more money. It's a never-ending slog.
Meanwhile, she is lowering the bar for herself. She gives less time, energy, and money into the relationship. She won't plan dates. She won't pay unless prodded. She won't carry a conversation.
She's there to be impressed. And he's there to dance monkey dance.
aliceinlondon 2y ago
Is she complaining that she wanted him to "fight for her" or complaining that she now realises she's lost a man who is so non-confrontational?
aerial_coitus 2y ago
Yes.
aliceinlondon 2y ago
Which one?
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
She's complaining she can't use him for favors and gifts while she rides the CC.
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loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
No link dropping.
Please have a look at the other rules as well or you will be banned for breaking them. You already are on the edge with a few of your comments.
Natriumzyanid 2y ago
They are always "devastated" or have been "abused"
Less every - day- radicalism, chicks
NBA_MSG 2y ago
Play stupid games win stupid prizes
RatingsOutOfTen 2y ago
Women still want "no" to sometimes mean "try harder".
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Men don't want to be "creepy" and get into social or legal trouble.
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These rules, unwritten or otherwise, need to be clear and well understood. That might not be "romantic" to the immature girls in their 20s that think they have everything figured out, but it isn't worth it to the average man.
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The idea of romance needs to die.
gregmcmuffin101 2y ago
Well that's the thing, romance is constructed, not something that falls into your lap.
It's the media of fairy tales they consume that fucks up their idea of what romance actually is.
My ex and I understood this. Romance for her was pouring her a glass of wine a rubbing her feet, romance for me was her sucking my dick. You gotta establish that shit, it's not just going to fall into your lap like it does in Hollywood movies.
sicrm 2y ago
she wasn’t ready for a relationship with him*
Loud-Bottle-7879 2y ago
Yup! My thoughts exactly.
KamadoJonathan 2y ago
When you blow up on them, call them b!+ch, fvck you etc. You act weak and they can show their friends "see? he's psycho." if you act calm and collected, you're in control of the situation.
Hunic_legionary 2y ago
My honnest question dose it matter?
BridgeViking1066 2y ago
Don’t ask for things you don’t want.
Enough-Staff-2976 2y ago
Walk off of the parking lot. There's no reason to haggle over a used car that doesn't want to be sold.
Disciple_Of_Cheesus 2y ago
As it should be.
SmithRoadBookClub69 2y ago
Dude was talking to 4 other broads.
[deleted] 2y ago
Today I did this with a Russian model I've been talking about for a day, just a day. I told her to go to the beach and have a fun day, she said "I can't, and we need a process to know each other" and I told her 2 days later "good luck with the process". She unmatched me. I feel so good.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
model=onlyfans account
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
Please don't directly link to other subreddits.
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
I don't have time for games. Wait. Actually, I do! [And she's a beauty.] (https://cdn.thewirecutter.com/wp-content/media/2020/10/playstation5-2048px-1011018-2x1-1.jpg)
Jabronskyi 2y ago
What did she expect?
DoTheSnoopyDance 2y ago
The best part is the end, “no pressure applied”. What is it that’s going around now, even if a woman willingly sleeps with you if she can make a case that pressure was applied at all, even just to the point of asking more than once, right to jail.
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Hunic_legionary 2y ago
And lets not considre other factors because that is effort
trpatty 2y ago
Why do I or anyone else need to consider “other factors”? There are plenty of women out there who aren’t going to play mind games or make me sort through piles of baggage in order to have sex. So why would I want to waste my time dealing with the bullshit, helping her overcome past “trauma”, or just figuring out if she’s using me while pursuing sex with someone else?
I don’t need to “consider other factors” here, because I can damn well bet that she isn’t considering factors on my end either.
adityaism_ 2y ago
Words of the wise
Hunic_legionary 2y ago
I wasnt talking about this girl i just have problem with 2 dates then sex you could get that without date so why bother with a date
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Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 2y ago
Twatter is cancer.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
I had to remove that due to rules 4 & 6.
JGFishe 2y ago
She wanted to say no.
She wanted him to pressure her.
She wanted to regret having sex with him after the fact.
She wanted to get him arrested for rape.
[deleted] 2y ago
2 months. The man has the patience of a monk.
2 minutes of talking with these women is hell.
mikes47jeep 2y ago
play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Sinestro617 2y ago
WTF did she think would happen?
Bing_Bang_Bam 2y ago
Bye you fuckin birch.
Loud-Bottle-7879 2y ago
I agree with his moves except the blocking. Next time, don’t block and turn on read receipts. The “read” with no response hurts way more than a block. Utilize these more fellas.
cryptothrow2 2y ago
Sometimes you just want to be out of that head space
Loud-Bottle-7879 2y ago
I can see how someone could feel that way.
[deleted] 2y ago
Chase excellence, not retarded whores, Gentlemen.
Fox6669 2y ago
I can't deal with these people, and they are also the ones to twist the story and call the man possessive if he would have wanted and explanation. Good for him for getting out, bad cause he waisted his time.
NattyGains4Life 2y ago
These low IQ hoes don’t realize that this shit hurts girls who mean NO when saying no
Guys will just think “ahh she wants me to apply pressure, she’s playing hard to get”
What a Chad the guy who fucking stopped talking to her, when people like this appear it’s best to leave them at no, either they mean no and you respected their boundaries, or they were playing hard to get and u rejected their shit test
Win/win situation
The_Legend_Of_All 2y ago
the woman literally told the guy she wasn't ready for the relationship. so the guy left. i am extremely confused. i am also concerned.
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gsibble 2y ago
This. Learning that the way to really beat a shit test is to walk away is crucial for showing attractiveness.
The_Legend_Of_All 2y ago
which is concerning.
cuz how're the kids supposed to get better than these peeps. especially when most of the people in these posts apparently have kids.
PM_ME_NICE_STUFF1 2y ago
I am saving this for the next time some redditor tells me women don't want to be pursued.
SpectrumWoes 2y ago
Saw a prime example of this in the series Yellowstone. One of the characters Kayce (son of the main character ranch owner) has his wife tell him she’s leaving and taking their son because she can’t take his bad boy ways anymore. She gets set up in her own apartment, he comes over to see the kid and they argue later.
He says “You told me to leave so I did” and her reply was of course that anytime she says that he’s supposed to fight for her
eternalstruggle1 2y ago
Wait a minute. Who are you?
Lol had to put this here. Jokes aside, isn't it considered near rapey if the guy keep pressuring once the woman said NO, one time? I am lost. If she is not interested, aren't men suppose to back off and respect boundary and not be apart of the patriarchy and oppress women?
I am lost, confused, bewildered, disoriented, befuddled. I don't know what is right and wrong any more.
aerial_coitus 2y ago
Exactly. This is how they want us to feel.
ShakenMemeMagic 2y ago
....but as soon as he starts pressing, its sexual harassment??? The mental gymnastics involved here are astounding
Devilsgun 2y ago
I don't chase does. I don't put up with does that won't lift for me. Give it up or you're meat, NEXT
DrDog09 2y ago
Beware what you ask for, you might get it. She wanted groveling and got none of it. That is the only reason she is devastated, not because she ended it.
ErenYDidNothingWrong 2y ago
Good morning
TheGeeksama 2y ago
wah sher wah ! heavy driver
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Gentlemen,
Here is a perfect example of how...
Consistency is a tool of the patriarchy!!!
Stryng indypyndynt wymyns have been lecturing us for decades, on the concept of no means no. When a wymyns says no, you better fucking respect her wishes.
They backed up this demand with threats of prison time and public shaming and humiliation for the horrible crime of raping a woman by continuing to pursue her after she expressed disinterest.
Men listened and men changed their behavior patterns. Men stopped trying harder. Men stopped pursuing as soon as she displays even the slightest disinterest.
And they're unhaaaaaaaaaaaaapy, because they wanted you to fight harder to win her over
Qwesterly 2y ago
They also backed up this demand in many publicized cases with false accusations of rape, leading to imprisonment, loss of employment, loss of any kind of decent job for a man's whole life, divorce, loss of child rights, loss of all accumulated and future wealth, estrangement of a man's family and public ridicule, censure and shunning.
\<Salutes Johnny Depp>
Metroid_Zard 2y ago
smurfkiller013 2y ago
Happy cake day
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Cake day?
Worried_Promotion570 2y ago
Nailed it on the head.
They should have been careful what they wished for... Because now they got it
Keep sobbing...you got what you wanted and more importantly deserved.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 2y ago
Not yet for many of them, on the deserved.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
They demanded dessert, but ended up deserted in the desert.
Must be men's fault.
Gundamsafety 2y ago
There is a very easy equation to tell the difference between "Rape-y type pressure" and "Sexual dance"
Not attractive enough or a HVM for her = Rape-y creeper
Attractive or rich HVM to her = Sexual Dance.
It all depends on if she thinks he is "hot" or "not".
EDIT. This all depends on how she feels AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME. These rules do, and will change with the changing of her mind.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
You're very mistaken.
There is no real way to know which category you fall into.
Even if you do know, you can easily fall out of favor for any or no reason.
There are several of the sexiest men alive, who have been accused of sexual assault.
Gundamsafety 2y ago
Correct I will add 1 edit.......
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 2y ago
Your edit doesn't change or add anything that wasn't in the original.
You're so focused on how her mind works, that you're missing the big picture.
Yes, from her standpoint, you're correct. Whether you're hawt or a rapist will change with her degree of sexual attraction and/or arousal at that moment.
But to say that:
Is naive, mistaken and dangerous.
You're gambling with your life for the reasons mentioned in the previous comment.
Gundamsafety 2y ago
I don't gamble. So there for I don't date. :) That pool is way too deep and turbulent for me, and I like my stuff that I worked hard for.
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MrNeurotypical 2y ago
last I checked it was $33 and I've heard it's come down since the pandemic
adityaism_ 2y ago
Dude can you get me a visa?
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
You can get a visa on arrival for 30 days or a 90 day one at an embassy. Then go walk into any bank or college campus, pick the hottest woman, and get her to marry you so you can get a permanent visa.
southerncraftgurl 2y ago
wtf did she expect then? my God all the games they play, it's insane
Hunic_legionary 2y ago
Thats called normalcy my friend and if you do something diffrent you are the insane the world we live in
southerncraftgurl 2y ago
That aint normal for me in any case, lord! I can't handle games and don't play them at all. I think if someone pulled that crap on me I'd tell them when and where to fuck off too.
I think I may be very lucky. The man I've met is sweet as he can be and is NO drama at all. The worst drama we had was him deciding what flavor of cobbler he wanted me to make him.
southerncraftgurl 2y ago
How do you guys put up with this crap? Lord have mercy that's insane. I knew some women were crazy like that but I had no idea it was the norm.
So all these posts I've seen on FDS and places where they "test" the men...those are real?
cryptothrow2 2y ago
This is the tip of the iceberg
southerncraftgurl 2y ago
I really feel sorry for you guys.
Hunic_legionary 2y ago
Some are real and its side products are the incels and mgtow group while me i cope with plans of world domination and being rich
plz_say_sike 2y ago
Don’t lump MGTOW with incels and fds.
The femcels at fds can’t get commitment and incels can’t get pussy. MGTOWs don’t want to deal with the hassle that comes with both.
Hunic_legionary 2y ago
I already having flashbacks to the council of nicea