Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
Created by kevin32
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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Honest_Solution 5y ago
I had a woman do the same shit to me that she’s writing about that she did to men! She was the most emotional unavailable wreck you’d ever seen. Loved being treated like ass and friendzone the guys that actually tried to not be a dick to her. I got fed up of her excuse of “I told You where I’m at, I don’t want anything serious, I just got out of a bad relationship (a fucking year ago??!!)”. Turns out that was just the excuse for me, soon as I gave up she was already hopping on some random dick. I went my way and met a BEAUTIFUL girl (blew her ass out the water) and this girl and me were on the same page and we got married. Miss Fucked Up in the Head got wind of my major upgrade and tried to email me on Facebook. “Hey how are you? Long time! You seem happy!” then she went on a pitty party about her life (due to her shitty decisions) and how all the Chads wouldn’t commit. I never responded. Leave women like this post the hell alone. They’re never going to learn, time won’t help them, they’ll just become more bitter and blame you for their bad decisions.
Overkillengine 5y ago
Dis is de way.
For the peanut gallery: Verbally lambasting walking failures like her is paying attention to her, which is what she wants. She does not care how she gets it. She has no intent of using any helpful information one bestows upon her wisely.
So don't bother. Woman behaves poorly/stupidly? Ghost and do not allow her back into your life.
jihocech 5y ago
You did well. There is only one man that can help her and his name is Jesus Christ. Captain-save-a-hoe is the worst mentality. Been there, done that, never worked.
BrewingHeavyWeather 5y ago
Don't be so sure...
RRFdev 5y ago
Your post made me so thankful that I decided to ghost that one alpha widow I met in college. She was 18 and already so damaged and she gave the exact same "Don't want anything serious, got out of a bad relationship" excuse while surrounding herself with men.
Honest_Solution 5y ago
They honestly act like men. It’s like they develop the personality of the shitty men they date. HUGE turnoff. I like feminine women, not some whore that acts like a man in every aspect.
Dean_Clean 5y ago
You ever met women that seem to be like "one of the guys" and hangs out with mostly guys? I wonder if they are originally this way, or if this is learned behavior to just have alot more orbiters. Stay away from the "I prefer to hang out with guys because it is less drama" line.
Nobodyinc1 5y ago
I mean I actually have. BUT they both had something in common, both now work in trade fields ones a mechanic and one is a carpenter. So I think there is a difference between hanging mainly with guys because you want to be “one of the guys” and hanging with mainly guys because the group of people that share your passion is a bunch of guys.
Also I will say if the two one was actually engaged by high school. And is currently happily married.
I have honestly realize that I am extremely extremely lucky that my mother and my cousin and her friend group all had their heads in straight. More so then even me.
RRFdev 5y ago
Yes, they get influenced by the guys who fucked them. An alpha widow who got fucked by a plate-spinner will no doubt become a plate spinner herself too. His traits of disloyalty and dishonesty will no doubt infect her.
27KHHV 5y ago
Women like that are the worst. I've ran into those kinds of girls who exhibit bad boy syndrome traits. Usually cocky, arrogant and conceited.
I personally like a woman who's assertive, confidant and doesn't take BS. But there's a difference between confidence and arrogance. Confidence is sexy and makes her seem worth chasing. Arrogance is disgraceful and reflects in a trashy manner on her.
Of course every guy likes something different, and have different tastes in women. Some guys definitely love the more feminine, shy, timid girls who don't express themselves as often or prefer the man to take the front seat all the time.
KingRobotPrince 5y ago
I think both can be great, as long as they are honest, consistent, non-hypocritical and not a massive slut.
A fake "strong woman" who actually wants to dominate everything and bully everyone then suddenly switches to a girly victim when it suits her is unbearable and actually hides a very weak and scared child that lives inside her and gravitates towards men that treat her like garbage. Equally a woman that uses femininity to hide being a huge slut, mentally ill, or passively manipulate people and get out of any responsibility in life can be a dumpster fire.
shrinkshooter 5y ago
Incredibly expected. I know AWALT gets thrown around a lot, but this is literally AWALT. Long story short, if a man acts excited to be around a chick, is eager, very open, emotionally connective, overly complimentary and supplicating, it signals to her hindbrain that he's lower value. Hypergamy won't be havin' nunna that.
Read her second paragraph again. She's describing a scarcity mentality "lower value than me" man to a T. She's turned off by this because that's the nature of their attraction. It's a feature, not a bug. Then read the paragraph after that: a man who is busy, doesn't particularly care much or is super invested in her, is interested but willing to walk away and won't be bothered much if it all falls through. This is a higher value man with options and he is attractive because of this. Women go for men like this because it's what they truly desire, even if it probably won't work out long term. System is working as intended.
The real crime isn't that this is how the system works, it's that men have been fucking lied to about it in modernity, especially the last decade. Men who want to attract women haven't the slighest idea outside of incredibly general, unhelpful shit like "make lots of money" and "just be yourself" and "simply be a good person," etc. You might as well tell a boxer to win his fight by "just hitting the guy until he falls over."
Older_Miggy 5y ago
Honest_Solution 5y ago
I swear when I was younger it didn’t work this way. When I was younger you could tell a girl you liked her (don’t be over the top) and didn’t have to play all these bullshit games. It was when I got older that I learned you had to do all this push pull narcissistic bs because I realized I was dealing with a majority of broken women. That’s why you have to do things ass backwards.
shrinkshooter 5y ago
This "core code" of perceiving men higher and lower than them was certainly running just as much then as it is now, but you need to take into account the context of the society in which this is expressed. There were many more social rules and expectations in place back in the 50s, for example, that would hamper this hypergamous min-maxing. Women could not freely explore all their available options with little to no consequences.
Now, in the age of social media and instant gratification, easy validation at one's fingertips, the corrosion of previously established social norms and failsafes, the base code can run wild. Now, they wildly overestimate their own worth, and the current sexual free market provides overwhelming supply. The "bullshit games" as you put it arise as a result of how many options she has, and in this day and age, they're swimming in options.
Keep in mind, too, that back in ye olde days of yore, being a nice guy wasn't synonymous with being beta and weak, because patriarchal society expected and demanded men to act like gentlemen, and alpha males were portrayed as nice guys more often in media. A man could be more direct and open about his intentions and thoughts because for the time this was acceptable and didn't detract necessarily from his value.
SuperGoxxer 5y ago
You got a point there.
Maybe back then society actually slut-shamed, so the girls knew they had limited power and didn't ride roughshod over every dude they met.
Must've been a good time, I envy your experience. All I have to look forward to now are ghosting thousand-cock stare harpies that have zero personality.
Older_Miggy 5y ago
No, it wasn't a good time for the lower 80% of guys back then either. You still got ignored for or replaced by the bad guy.
feanors_gem 5y ago
You’re wrong. Unless you were the bottom of the barrel 5-10%. It absolutely didn’t used to be this way. I’m talking early ‘90s and before.
Jake4523 5y ago
So essentially they hate nice guys? Alright boys, you have heard it here first, don't be nice anymore.
Honest_Solution 5y ago
They hate decent people. Period.
MundaneGrab8 5y ago
It’s also funny how she’s trying to fight with all her might her feelings of disgust for the nice guy it’s like a “Ho reflex”!
Or like trying to feed vegetables to kids, it doesn’t matter how hard you try, they may chew it wash it down with water but even while they chew on them they will be thinking/dreaming of pizza(chad) Cookies(Tyrone).
Attraction is not negotiable
Keown14 5y ago
They hate themselves, so anyone who thinks they might be worth staying with must be a sucker because they think of themselves as a piece of shit who they loathe.
Healthy women don’t have this view of relationships for the most part.
Honest_Solution 5y ago
Where they fuck up is they think just because a guy is legit interested in them and actually cares about them that he must be desperate and have no options. That’s not always true. The whore that gave me the run around for a year probably looked at me like I was pathetic, beneath her and her Chad loving ways. What she didn’t know what when I finally gave up, I had options out the ass. I ended up marrying a stunner and she’s still single and whoring her way through life last time I heard. So, no, just because a dude is decent and doesn’t treat you like ass doesn’t mean he’s desperate or doesn’t have options. It makes me laugh when they miss out on the gravy train they could have had for a life of meaningless sex with Chad. Enjoy ladies!
BigBoiBahmani 5y ago
Absolutely right. If you are a HVM that chooses not to be fuckstick, the healthy minded woman will know.
Woman like the ones in OP's post are a hard pass. Unfortunately there are a lot of them.
It all comes down to whether you have High Ego or High self-respect.
Ego come from external validation. Ones who validate are seen as low value and are considered uninteresting. Ones who don't validate are seen as high value and their validation is then pursued, until they get the validation from that guy, lose interest and onto the next.
Self-respect comes from acknowledgement of the one's own capabilities and value of self in a objective sense. Self-Respecting woman distance themselves from all other cunts.
MGTOW_BEASTMODE 5y ago
"Where are all the nice guys?"
You didn't fuck them so they went extinct... now show me your tits.
Jake4523 5y ago
Too late. I was one of those "nice guys" or "gentlemanly" types and I have all but lost it. I'll be respectful but don't expect me to help you.
MGTOW_BEASTMODE 5y ago
I was walking to work and across the street I saw my ex getting beaten up by two other people.. so I dropped my coffee and ran over yelling at them: "WAIT!! WAIT!! 3 vs 1 is easier!"
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 5y ago
Correct! Be apathetic, complacent, and show her almost no interest whatsoever.
Older_Miggy 5y ago
I do that, and still am ignored. So what else is there that I'm missing?
Stanger9000 5y ago
The trick is simple, take care of yourself and have 0 interest. When the right one comes along she will fight for you. Just focus on you, go out, have fun, and simply don't worry about it. You'll be surprised once they see you're unavailable it will hit you like a truck. Understand if you're not Chad people won't throw themselves at you, but the moment you quit caring they come and go.
BluepillProfessor 5y ago
An old TV series called Happy Days had the Fonz telling goody two shoes Richy that all you need to do to get out of a fight is grab the other guy, look in his eyes, and say: "Don't ever do that again."
Rich tries it and fails. As the guy is about to beat the crap out of him he asks, "what did I do wrong, Fonz."
Fonzie remembers, "Oh right, it only works if you have hit somebody before.
Like developing a reputation for fighting, first you have to get her attention. Then you can ignore her. If you are ignoring her for another girl that is when they start becoming proactive.
sleepyweaselisawake Plowing his way through muck while misquoting Office Space 5y ago
I have no clue. Whatever it is, only you can fix it.
jihocech 5y ago
Height? Money?
shrinkshooter 5y ago
If you show zero interest right out of the gate, the woman is going to assume you aren't interested, period, or that you're too afraid to approach her. She'll see you as just another person.
She has to know that there is some interest in her there. The frame in this situation would be "I'm the high value guy, you look like you might be cool, are you? I may be interested, prove yourself to me." Once this is established only then can you be more apathetic, but that will only work if she actually perceives you as equal or higher value than she is. There are ways to get her thinking this but it's way too in depth to get into.
Short version of your answer is "mind games." She has to know you're at least a little interested, she has to be at least a little interested, and she also has to know that you have options or don't care about walking away.
AgreeableHelicopter2 5y ago
THIS
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 5y ago
Yep. You have to make her chase you. And she will only chase you if she thinks you are better than her and you are kinda interested in her. If you show no interest, she'll disengage early to prevent her ego from getting hurt. Your attitude and behavior should be "Alright, you seem interesting but I don't see any reason why I should indulge you unless you make an effort".
Although it's easily defined, it can get in depth if we start discussing the specifics.
AgreeableHelicopter2 5y ago
This is why I tell guys to go direct off the approach because most dudes go indirect and wait to transition to direct or don't do it at all and the girl just disregard you because she might be interested as well but because you didn't go direct she assumes you aren't interested and leaves the interaction.
My philosophy is this: if you're doing something right thr girl.will reject you or accept you in the very beginning. If a girl.rejects you mid interaction then you fucked up earlier on with the frame.
Honest_Solution 5y ago
Chadness
DangZagnut 5y ago
Psst. Lady...LADY....Chad don't commit. That's the calling card. You're what we call a sport fuck. He couldn't close the deal with anyone else tonight, so you're on deck and he's trying out a minor league hitter.
Protip: If you're in therapy, you're mentally fucked up and emotionally stunted lady, and Chad don't want none of your emotional issues.
Get your brain fixed of GTFO. No one wants people with mental disorders. It's not fair, but it is true.
Cavannah 5y ago
Broken people wondering why they're broken as they continue pursuing the very things that broke them.
[deleted] 5y ago
A wall of text by a wall-hitting woman? No. But thanks.
EvilKlownz2 5y ago
Oh, he's so bad for me I better change and find a man that will be part of me.
Phone rings, and she's off to Mr Unavailable.
FFW Oh no he's bad for me and the baby I had with him didn't make him commit.
Another case of watch what they do, not what they say. She will talk about moving on etc, but will run to ride the minute he texts.
Mein_Tarnaccount 5y ago
Yeah, no worries, ladies. Just read this one self-help book and all of reality will change to accomodate your every want.
deepak8411 5y ago
Be unavailable and you will get all the pussy in the world.
KavaNotGuilty 5y ago
In other words, "Just lead him on until you no longer feel any use for him and then callously discard him."
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 5y ago
Very unusual indeed... where would I have seen this before anyway?
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 5y ago
There's absolutely no chance you could have seen anything resembling it anywhere, Sir. She's special and unique.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 5y ago
Sounds eerily similar to eunuch.