This is a post in response to a question @First-light posed below. We need to redefine what a “good man” is both for ourselves and others.
@First-light observes this fundamental wisdom: https://www.forums.red/p/whereareallthegoodmen/324856/weekend_post_leftover_inspin_envies_her_younger_cousin_s_upc “Its the choices that modern women have that ruin them.”
Ahem, I have ruminated over this observation several times over the years. Here's my middle aged man's (minus the belly) opinion below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzo73jYl3Ew
I posted something from a Cheddit female incel group where a woman who KNEW she was homely (which says a lot in these times) said she refused to 'settle" for someone "who didn't put in effort" and yet she had sexual urges she sought to have released. Repeat: She could still get laid but she wouldn't get a free meal or clown game out of him. (I have searched for this post to no avail. If someone finds it, please pin it in the comments below).
It makes me wonder that there's something larger going on with our civilized society that goes beyond feminism where women are raised to be dominant. I read on X just the other day "women have ALWAYS been choosers". Well, no. For nearly all of conscious human history (since the discovery of fire), it was men, whether a father or invader, who chose his daughter's mate hence "asking the father for her hand in marriage" cheesy custom on The Bachelor. (I think they're REQUIRED to do that as per their contract because it's such a cringe humiliation ritual I can't see why at least one of them didn't opt out.)
“Hey, I’m dating a dozen other girls. Is it ok for your daughter to marry me?” https://youtu.be/MmuzZ9QwB_c?t=207
"On the other hand... No! There is NO other hand!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkiWIpiQjbQ
Our society doesn't even have a "real woman" image of femininity anymore. We don't have a "woman up" shaming ploy but in the past, women were expected to be submissive. Unless she had huge tracts of land as a dowry, she was merely a serving wench and treated as such. Even a peasant man was expected to be in charge of his hut.
At some point in the west, women were told they were all boss babe “ladies” and “princesses” and feminism was merely an escalation of that mindset. This thinking has spread to the far east such as Korea and Japan (due likely to USA military base influence).
In the meantime, men were conditioned to be more feminine and submissive which suited the free market capitalists perfectly because that cheapened the labor similar to that of serfs. I undid this conditioning about 2 decades ago. "Be a good hard worker even if your boss is a jerk". Sheesh! I actually READ someone say that (not exact words but close.)
So no wonder modern women act like type-A alpha male jerks and men find it tough to quit BP.
As I stated last week or so, men do have choices now including RP which is interesting because RP is now pretty easy: It instantly makes your life better although there’s some MINOR social shaming feedback. Stop overtipping at restaurants ($35/hour for all tables for a waitress, not $35/table at 22% regardless) Stop overpaying for dates (CAKE (not "coffee") at a cafe instead of a whole dinner). Stop doing unseen work at a job where they treat you as disposable.
Heck, let’s talk about that last one as an example of how to be successful in relationships in general. If someone else is carefully metering what they do for you while you do hidden work, “for the team”, they’ll simply demand more of you. Here’s this great line from a wonderful movie North Dallas Forty that explores a “workplace” (a fictional NFS sports team) about teamwork:
“We’re not the team!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNiisYtYcRk
So let’s focus back on women: Being a provider/protector as defined by “traditionalism” is being a serf: Either you’re working in the fields and handing over nearly everything to a “lord” or “lady”, or you’re a conscript cannon-fodder to die again, so the lord/lady gets another acre of land and serfs to add to their wealth.
I also blame the superhero movies that set literally (using that word literally correctly!) superhero expectations of men.
https://youtu.be/qJvvCSUsZIw?t=109
So it’s no wonder that women now regard men as pathetic and sub-human. In Superman II, he uses a superpower kiss to erase Lois Lane’s memory so she isn’t stuck being an Alpha Widow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byu1LpPsYvE
I’d end it there, but here’s what I’m doing in my own life: I don’t do unseen work for free and I remind others of my value when needed. When my wife asks me for something and doesn’t say “please”, I pause and stare at her. Then I tell her to say “please” or it doesn’t get done. Then when she says “please”, I pause for effect and and slowly say, “ok”. If she doesn’t say “please”, I wait and announce to her “sex at 2PM”. She gets shocked and I say “Why should I say please? You didn’t do so earlier did you?”
It’s not only US that need to get off the BP but those around us as well. It’s a lifestyle change.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 2h ago Stickied
Hey hey, PK, I'm glad to see the child forum get some use.
However, rule 3 of WATGMA states (with some added emphasis):
Edit your post to address this please.
No-Stress-Cat 5h ago
You are THIS > < CLOSE to figuring it out.
Feminism isn't about equality, it's about control.
Abortion isn't about my body, my choice, it's about control.
LGBTQ isn't about trans and gay rights, it's about control.
The MeToo movement isn't about protecting women from harassment, it's about control.
What do all of these have in common? Feminism says to be a boss babe, follow that career, just don't have kids. Abortion says that women can be sluts and get pregnant all they want and get rid of it anytime they want, just don't have kids. LGBTQ says men should be with men and women should be with women and transitioning will make you sterile, just don't have kids. The MeToo movement says men should not touch, talk to, look at, or go near women, just don't have kids.
The question is, why did things change from a traditional society into the clusterfuck we have today? The answer is: resources. There are 8.3 billion people on this planet, all competing for the same resources.
Rich men have all the resources because they own the corporations, have all the assets, and control all the money. Rich women push the narratives to keep other women from competing with them in having children. The less resources the "serfs and peasants" have, the more resources they have for the survival of their own children.
That is why women are shamed for deviating from the narrative. They are called PickMes and femcels and household slaves for wanting to have families and children. That is why men are shamed for deviating from the narrative. They are called predators, dangerous to society, and women should fear them being anywhere near them.
All these social justice movements and anti-men laws are designed to prevent the "have-nots" from producing more children than the "haves", to control the population.
The problem is, they've taken it too far. They've pushed men past the limit. Made the game unplayable because no matter what, the men always lose. So we just walked away.
That is why they say The Red Pill movement is a cult of woman-haters, terrorists, Nazis, and a threat to society that must be eliminated. In reality, the only threat is to the amount of resources the rich can acquire.
They know they can't take control, only fake control. They know that men, as a collective, could easily take physical control and literally crush anyone, including them, that try and get in our way. That's why all these women's movements have sprung up so quickly over the recent years. Women are their last hope of getting men back onto the plantation, because they are so easily manipulated.
But it's not working. The men have woken up. Women are useless weapons against us. Because we are the backbone of society, we are the ones in control of building and maintaining society, and we know it. We build the weapons and make up the armies, and will use them if pushed too far.
Now, the women are waking up as well. They are finding that the narratives are leaving them useless, cold, lonely, and without children. They are realizing that they are worthless pawn in a game that is nothing but a losing situation for them. So they are starting to switch sides.
But don't expect things to get better anytime soon. The rich are getting desperate, so they're going to be pulling out all the stops. Expect things to get worse in coming years.
So keep on your purpose, brothers. Let nothing distract you. We have lost many battles, but we will win the war.
polishknight Endorsed 4h ago
hehehe. I love this meme that explains it well: https://imgur.com/a/217kdGD
While I want to buy into the notion that feminism was merely a plot by Illuminati like elites over the centuries to keep men under control, I believe in not ascribing to ingenious conspiracy what can be more easily explained by incompetence.
Our elites, actually, are comprised of lucky and/or inbred fools who buy into many of the woke ideals that were taught in college by marxists a generation ago to fool the naive schoolkids.
It's my contention, and this is certainly arguable, that chivalry was an accident of a romanticist period seeking to rationalize the nobility as likable and well mannered and to remind the serfs to respect their nobles who weren't, as Monty Python, covered in literal shit.
This is largely the same thinking we have today of well educated and/or successful white male limousine liberal baizuos behind gated communities who can look down upon the non-investor class as "losers" and feel better about themselves. "I'm not racist because I don't mind not prosecuting someone stabbing a girl on a train. I'll take my limo to the country club instead!"
The feminists love to shriek about "Patriarchal witch hunts" and such but that was simply a matter of religious hysteria, nothing more, similar to the daycare witch hunts (yes!) we had in the states back in the 1980's. Yes, that really happened!
Let's reflect the liberal (classical) west of romanticizing kindness towards the weak, of seeking a more egalitarian society,and such are concepts that define it but also have weakened it to outsiders like a colony of ants noticing an unattended cake on a picnic table.
We aren't bound solely by our gender as the feminists loved to shriek but rather by common culture. Feminists laughably claimed that they are responsible for the west's rise in the 19th through 20th century when it was a period of working and middle class men who were finally empowered to do better things and innovate such as Steve Jobs and Bill Gates rising up and then pulling the ladder up behind them.
During this relatively brief period where normie, non-noble western men could write and rise upon merit was a period of astonishing affluence in the west and USA in general. Although non-western men were often included, it nonetheless was a recognition of shared community. We had men's groups, charities, and such. The Knights of Columbus was originally founded for insurance policies to protect the families of working class Catholic Men. There was the Polish National Congress.
Karen feminists will increasingly find themselves locked out as their self-loathing ideology eventually eats themselves.
The success of the system is to buy out the men such as you or I who rise up in it. Did you see Snowpiercer where Wilford tells the Curtis upon reaching the front, he'll be happy to put him in charge to keep it going?
When I give this whole breakdown to progressive "liberal" leftists and feminists, they get very silent indeed as they realize they've been duped, useful idiots, fools, like the idiot who opened the gate to Constantinople.
First-light 2h ago
Nice piece with some good humour.
It is a market place and market places tend to get influenced when a critical mass of traders move.
In trading they say that "The trend is your friend" This is how men have operated in the pussy market for the last century. They have bid a little more simping and slightly lower expectations generation after generation and even though none of them really wanted to it was just like a housing bubble, if you didn't pay the asking price, maybe even a little over the asking price, someone else got the house (or the womb).
This has allowed women to make some terrible choices because they know that there are only as many women as there are men in the world and any man who wants one has to bid. They can do terrible things to the merchandise and men will still buy.
This worked while prosperity rose and while it was still possible for most men to bring something to a woman's life and find he could actually stand to live with her at least long enough to re-produce. This is changing now. Men are not so prosperous, partly thanks to the decline of the west and partly because of equality laws giving the jobs they deserve to women. They really can't offer women much that women can't get for themselves. Women have dropped their value even further by adding new layers of entitlement.
The market is collapsing. The merchandise is poor quality. Men can't really afford it and the risks it brings. The best thing we can do is collapse this market as fast as possible. The short term loss is long term gain for civilisation. We can't have so much productivity wasted in both men courting woman after woman for nothing but short term sex and women spending all that wealth on nothing of value while contributing noting of their natural talents to humanity.
adam-l 1h ago
Social engineering, i.e. "the system", pushes women's evolved buttons, buttons that were placed there way before marriage was instituted.
Intimate relationship? Smells of incest.
Secured husband? Isn't the lawn greener...
Sure, women may be "rebellious", but that's just a façade, and we all know (the system too) that they crave submission, and they'll ultimately back whomever possesses power.
It's just that... Fenales being so numerous and such a huge capital, it's a shame to let it be used by her husband or her family. If you are "the system", why not milk them yourself?
Just as nuns of old were considered "Brides of Jesus", contemporary women are brides of the system.
They are served a "fast life" strategy that leaves them hollow by their 50s, but they can't know it till then.