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Estrangeiro75 9y ago
How can I recover after a bad marriage, and the aftermath?
I had a young woman for 5 years, and in parallel a woman of my age for the same 5 years, and a few flings (1 or 2 per year), and I was able to keep my frame and keep all of them (except for the few months they tried LTRs with BBs). Then I married a stunner, I can't find a better looking girl in tv ...
I am divorcing, the stunner stole all of my money from our shared back account and I am using female lawyers to get it back. I looked for my ex, and she jumped onto my lap. TODAY, she decided she does not want to be the 2nd choice and she dumped me - now that she is the most important person in my life. I know that everything is happening since I showed I got hurt badly with my ex-wife ...
Anyway, how can I survive? It's a harsh world, and I moved to another country, and here men do not collaborate ... what can I do?
LadyXon 9y ago
Thanks man. Excellent advice/response.
seaguy87 9y ago
We often hear women whine that "All men want is sex!" and write on their dating profiles that they're not down for ONS/FWB arrangements so that got me wondering last night, and would like all youse's input on it: What if tomorrow, by some magical miracle, all men stopped needing and wanting sex and stopped feeling sexual attraction to women? Men becoming completely asexual.
How do you think it would impact the dynamic between men and women?
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[deleted] 9y ago
I am sick of working for someone else. What's a company I can start for under 30k?
I am pretty smart and I work hard, long hours, and get along well with people. I just don't know what to do. I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel either.
seaguy87 9y ago
That depends. Where do you live? What are your passions? Have you actively thought about how you can make people's lives simpler/how you can add value or convenience to a preexisting product or service? Lots of businesses flow out of that last thought.
[deleted] 9y ago
I was thinking more like selling burritos to hipsters
angryguy4444 9y ago
I've been in monk mode for three years.
Well. I was depressed/suicidal and had a major illness so it wasn't really a choice. I'm overweight now, and the monk mode actually starts now. I've been reading TRP for a long time BUT I know that once I will get any attention from girls the risk that I revert back to BP behavior is very high?
How should I deal with getting attention from a female for the first time for YEARS?
yayaja67 9y ago
Any advice for someone who wants to start approaching but has no idea where to start? What kinds of environments are best for approaching girls?
spurdosparade 9y ago
How do I downgrade a LTR to a plate? Should I tell her the open relationship bullshit?
Also, there this girl I tried to fuck like 15 days ago, and my dick failed me: I was able to fuck her for 3 fucking minutes (I can fuck my LTR for more than half an hour or even more), then my dick would not get hard again. I think it was because I was fucking nervous with my finals (I was really fucked this last semester). Anyway, is there a chance I can fuck her again? Keep in mind I took all the situation with humor.
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Just stop hanging out with your LTR as much, and be prepared that she'll break it off. It's easy to promote plates, a lot harder to demote.
amekooky 9y ago
I've improved, i lift, I am now a vital part of two social groups which has raised my smv tremendously, i have 3 plates at the moment, but now i think i can do better on the plates. I've picked up boxing and have gone full keto on my diet. should i drop the plates to avoid feeling that sense of satisfaction? i know i can plate much better but I gotta get fit, im still fat.
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Just see less of your current plates.
ThrowawayGSV2 9y ago
So just read the rational male, "message in the medium post." Lately I've been trying to decipher what "the message" that women send to men, because although illogical I do think taking the time to understand it is worthwhile. Anyways, had my ex (20 year old) break it off with me in a brutally resentful way last week (probably cause I cried in front of her the week prior, which led me to discover TRP). Week later she apologized and explained what she was feeling in a paragraph text.
I don't respond to this text. Today she texts me a picture of a breed of dog we once talked about getting, I don't respond. I'm not interested in getting my ex back anymore. Yet, from a standpoint of understanding feminine psychology, why is she doing this? Her text seemed like an "I miss you" type post. Just trying to 1. intepret this shit. 2. What's my best course of action in terms of leverage and seeming attractive? (would like to bang again.) Thanks.
hugaddiction 9y ago
What is next for my 30-35yr old female peers that I am watching struggle to accept their new reality as second choice to the younger, hotter, and more fertile 20yr old counterparts as they begin to awaken to their post wall circumstances?
What happens when all these "no longer the prettiest girl at the bar", females get into their 40s?
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seaguy87 9y ago
Maybe I'm wrong, but betas are typified by blind happiness that a girl would want them. You're aware that you're settling. Either do something about it (it [EDIT: the jealousy] can poison the relationship) or stop whining.
ceilnaffrey 9y ago
I'm interested a girl at work for a ltr. She's higher up than me but not in the same department. Beside maintaining a mindset of being higher than her and not putting her to the pedestal, not chasing her, etc.. What should i do interaction wise?
seaguy87 9y ago
Don't shit where you eat. Or go ahead and shit where you eat, if you're absolutely prepared and are comfortable with the idea of losing that job.
mikazee 9y ago
When talking to people in general I know they have to also want to talk to you. Any advice on getting the ball rolling? Or just in general good posts on that topic.
Also charisma, that too.
kamalmadeit 9y ago
Do you guys feel that rap songs and lyrics are very alpha in nature?
[deleted] 9y ago
Anyone here disgusted by modern women? When i've heard about the likely ~60+ men my current LTR has slept with, i feel both my dick and part of my soul shrivel.
Part of me doesn't want to do TRP anymore even, I feel like I've lost hope in the world and resent making my self better day in day out for women who reserved nothing for me.
Thoughts?
seaguy87 9y ago
That's completely natural given your exposure to TRP. I've wanted to write this as a post on TRP for a while now, but never got around to doing it. Here's my attempt to summarise that post. It will give you a look into my train of thought on this issue.
We men are typically raised to not simply touch girls. We are reminded in school, families, social circles that you can't simply touch girls. That's why so many men start off being bad at kino. Touching is the initial stimulant of your disgust; it doesn't compute in your gut as to why a woman would let so many men be physical with her when women are so sensitive to touch.
Sex is another. For a sex act to happen, a woman gives into the opportunity for sex. Typically, we men are always on the ready to take it, so a woman has to consent and allow for the sex to happen. She gives her body to you to let you inside her and do sexy things. Again, in your gut it doesn't compute why she would keep giving and giving her body away like this (let alone get completely naked with a man, when apparently women are so guarded about being naked). This is why you're disgusted. It's not rocket science. It's red pill! You're seeing these women as they are, not what you were raised to believe.
The worst part is when women like these feign being high value. That's why it crushes a guy to know that his dead bedroom girlfriend/wife was a whore in her past. He paid a new car price for a very used car. Don't be that guy.
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Thanks for the reply. I think some of the disgust comes from the incongruence of "I am different now" kind of speak. She had a variety of ONS to short (<6 month) relationships for years and now that she's approaching the wall has tried the "I am different now" card with me. I admit I have more than 0 oneitis for her, but I also got her to share with me what she shared with so many others. When we've talked about it I told her I expect more from her than she's given others, not less. I said to her I'm you're different now and looking for a "better" man, you should expect to also have to be better yourself, and that means not holding back what you've given freely to others and giving more/better as well (as in act like a "good wife", do shit for me etc). So far so good, but I expect this one to crumble due to her past. 60 dicks is mind boggling to me, my count is single digits. How in the world can she form a bond? I'm sure she's been with a guy with a much bigger dick-- assuming i'm average normal statistics suggest about 30 of them would have been larger and roughly 10 larger than +1 inch and 1-2 of those would have been monster cocks at +8 inches. Damn. Barf.
I am continuing this relationship with a few points in mind.
seaguy87 9y ago
You will always be wondering, though, if she is improving because of what you've said or in spite of what you've said. Actually it is probably the former. And it will grow old fast, and she'll be unhappy and so will you. Why continue with her? You can extricate yourself from this predicament and LTR someone more fitting... and after you've vetted them a lot more.
Compeliminator 9y ago
where is the best places to meet women when youre an old guy"50"? i absolutely despise dating sites like pof etc and dealing with the avg at best women on there who are overwhelmed with responses . im at the gym alot . unfortunately i work from 10 pm to 630 am so thats not helping me
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 9y ago
Im almost half your age but I remember when my old man was was around your age, single and looking he would jog 2 miles to the bar in his sweats, get a few drinks, hit on some women and jog back home. He got with some good looking women too. (I only know this because i later found out he dated my kindergarten teacher, who 5 year old me recognized as hot and was about 20 years younger than him) i asked him how he could do that and not be embarassed, he said after a while you dont care about things like that anymore.
To summarize, a balding, sweaty, bespectacled man wearing sweatpants at a bar, your age was able to get young women by not giving a fuck.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 9y ago
That's my age too. I find POF useful as a meeting tool as I also have a demanding schedule. What works for me there is a VERY lengthy, specific, polarizing profile that brings in a small number of very well matched candidates. My dating funnel is such that I seldom reach the meet face to face stage with someone I don't end up in some kind of relationship with.
Other than that, practice your daygame and approach wherever you go, even with questionable matches; you get practice, they get an ego boost.
[deleted] 9y ago
You look much younger BTW. Whatever you're doing, keep doin it
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ThirteenMDE 9y ago
20 y/o Aussie, been on the TRP path for almost 6 months now and I thought I was well on the way. but I spiraled the other day. It was only for an hour but I still spiraled. It was after getting friendzoned by an attractive high quality woman I K-Closed. A gym session brought me back to life and I back in my usual happy content but always striving forward self. I just would like to know if anyone would know where this would have come from? and I would also like to know if there is any good material on Text Game?
[deleted] 9y ago
It is absolutely a shit-test. I ran into this exact thing yesterday. Asked a girl on a date and she said she wanted to go out as "friends." I didn't respond, considered just nexting her, then I remembered TRP - state what you want. I said "I was really thinking more like a date, just you and me, what do you say?"
After that she confessed to social media stalking me and thinking I was a cheating husband after finding year-old pics of me with my ex wife. I told her I am single now and refused to go into details. Now the date is back on (though I may double book since another girl I'm talking to lives in that area).
Girls will use the "just be friends" excuse for a million reasons other than "I think you're beta and am not attracted to you" - she could be on her period, she could be seeing someone else temporarily, her parents could be in town, she could just be shit testing you for the sake of seeing how you handle it. State what you want.
ThirteenMDE 9y ago
It was more of an I'm too busy with work/ uni to do anything because originally we had a date planned but then she backed out and changed her tune. Considering just nexting her tbh.
Huskimbo9 9y ago
How do you keep your fire when you are not against the wall?
I had a drive that couldn't be stopped when I was sleeping in my van last year in the middle of the winter.
Now that I have a roof over my head I went back to my old self.....comfortable would be the best word to describe that.
I have goals I want to accomplish and I recognized I've been bullshiting or doing the least I can to reach them.
I'll take any advice and please don't sugar coat it.
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Cultivate habits that lead to your goals. Don't rely on motivation or "drive." Motivation is fleeting.
ChadThundercockII 9y ago
Go back to your van. I strongly believe in staying out of the financial and emotional comfort zone whenever we feel weak and un-driven!
Huskimbo9 9y ago
Got dammit are we brothers?!? I thought about doing that a while ago .
When I was in that van ,besides dealing with the harsh weather and waking up with my feet freezing in my steel toe boots I never felt as free and clear headed in my life. Strictly attacking at my mission and kicking pleasure to the curb. If I did have pleasure it was staring at the water after the work day thinking about how I can get better.
ChadThundercockII 9y ago
that's because you woke everyday with a purpose, a mission. it wasn't a fancy and illusive idea of becoming a billionaire who will save children from famine or a guy who can sleep with every woman he likes. It was simple and cold survival. This is interesting because I always thought the best place to be was when we ware comfortable enough to thrive, but noooo. This old body we were born with doesn't like that. It rather wake up with cold feet, shitty clothes, run from tigers and chase deer to survive. Even agriculture wasn't good enough because it offered too much comfort and our internal system found that 10.000 years wasn't enough to adapt to that sedentary lifestyle. Did you know that most people find it very hard to digest grains?
Now think about living in a world that has TV, Internet, buses, cars,planes and porn. That's why simple living and laser like focus can put you way out there in front of the modern man. Dispense of all the things you didn't have in your van. Sell your TV and shit.
End of rant. I hope this could help/
AsianAway 9y ago
It's biological. Being comfortable is something humans crave and once you're in it, you don't want to leave.
You have to mentally prep yourself every day to take on the challenges in that day and tackle your goals.
You have to learn how to be uncomfortable everyday because that's what is going to get you to do things.
tredpillthrowawayy 9y ago
Do you still get that rush when you're with a new girl? Like the butterflies in your stomach when you're fucking a new girl? Or do you get so used to it that it doesn't happen anymore? Sounds kinda gay but I feel like those endorphins is what makes people get oneitis
Your_Coke_Dealer 9y ago
Always. What's changed is now I have abundance enough that I don't need to give a shit about if/when I hit a woman up again
Wing3dHussars 9y ago
I'm starting to lose it when I'm hitting on random girls, but it keeps coming when I go for the first date with her.
I'm actually considering being more selective with my approachs, worried about desensitizing myself through that proccess.
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I guess the answer is different for every guy. For me the answer is no, I no longer get the same rush. Does not mean I am not happy or enjoying it, but that headrush and butterflies I used to get has diminished to almost nothing now, even with new attractive girls. I do not really miss it. A bit like eating a great steak, after you eat a few hundred, it is hard to get too excited.
[deleted] 9y ago
purely based on the looks. And even then, the thousand vagina stare should be talked about because shit gets old. I mean I understand amused mastery, but I don't understand how people don't actually think "what a loss of time" deep inside
[deleted] 9y ago
It's the hunt. Most guys like that more than the lay.
It's got nothing to do with the girl
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 9y ago
My ex walked in my place when we were early on in the relationship and it was the first time i'd ever say a chick was "stunning". For a split second i was almost intimidated but i shook that shit off immediately. Those feelings happen but you dont act on it. Maintain frame always.
RedditAdminsSuck_88 9y ago
Of course
It never really goes away. So defeating the inevitable oneitis is more about internalizing AWALT and "she is nothing special". The more women you fuck the more you realize that they are all the same.
INTJokes 9y ago
So the best way to defeat a mental oneitis is to fuck a bunch of girls? That's what I figured. Just making sure.
tredpillthrowawayy 9y ago
Nicee, will be constantly reminding myself AWALT. Cool to hear all your answers, been wondering this for a while, thanks
Swallowed_the_pill 9y ago
The rush is different. Now I get more of a rush because I was a complete baller and did everything right, rather than my old "oh shit I am lucky, I can't believe I got this girl".
It just feels so good to get in the flow,day everything right, respond perfectly to every shit test and make the girl almost begging you to rip off her panties and fuck her brains out. Now I get more of a rush because of the power rather than just the sex.
alittletoosmooth 9y ago
Exactly. I always was lucky to have had success with women (tall, fit, pretty good looking), but I always thought "lucky me!".. Now I can see exactly where I went wrong or right and I laugh at the shit I can "get away with" saying by just being confident/AM/idgaf. Perfect example: the other day I was with a girl everything was going well, good kino, but I struggling to turn the convo sexual. She asked me randomly if I had my computer in my work bag. A light bulb went off and I said (with the biggest shit eating grin) "curious about my equipment already huh.. If you're lucky maybe I'll show it to you later" or something to that regard. She blushed so bad and was eating out of my hand(crotch) after that.
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HoffAmazing 9y ago
I still get the rush but it depends on the girl. If it is meaningless sex and she's mediocre, then no. If she's hot as fuck, then more than likely even if meaningless sex.
beta_no_mo 9y ago
Why are you fucking mediocre girls?
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beta_no_mo 9y ago
Who is the prize in this Champions League? The hottest chick?
Fail.
LadyXon 9y ago
But it does begin with the top four
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tropicalfire 9y ago
How to develop game? Got out of a LTR, I cant handle talking to girls. Its like I fell back completely from where I was. I currently have 0 girls in my life, for real. Where can I start?
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
Start with your male friends. Cultivate your social circle. Imagine you had a satisfying relationship with a great girlfriend. How would the rest of your life be arranged? Do it.
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Daybang - Roosh
The Game - Straus
I'm a fan of mystery method, it's a great starting point, if you're working from 0
Wing3dHussars 9y ago
My advice, train, train, and more trainning. I was really shy and learnt to get rid of it by exposing myself into the danger. If girls are your problem, start talking to random females in your routine so you feel a little more comfort, it's a normal interaction between people, that waitress at the restaurant, or the person at the grocery store, then move to random girls on the street, help tourists with their maps, ask for directions and keep scalating until you are able to speak with everybody. Other option, if you're in a local, start talking with random guys, it will help you warm up and then you can move to girls.
My real source of succes was my own hate to myself. I used to see many great girls pass and was too coward to even say hello, sometimes I even wasted girls hitting on me so I realized I really wanted to interact with them so some time ago I decided that whatever happent, how bad I felt, how big was my anxiety I'd go and talk to them, it was like a promise to myself, and it worked, since then I've never seen a girl that was approachable and interesting to me that wasn't hit by me.
SetConsumes 9y ago
Game = social skills and Machiavellian understanding
So study those things and most importantly practice.
[deleted] 9y ago
What is your attitude about things which are completely legal, but are perceived as morally wrong by the vast majority of the society?
Is your attitude "fuck morals, fuck what society thinks, everything which is not forbidden is allowed", or do you take morals into consideration when dealing with women?
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
I consider taking a man's children away, and not letting him see them as immoral. It is legal, though.
On the other hand, having sex with a willing adult, in exchange for a pre-determined amount of money, is illegal, though for me it is perfectly moral.
Society imposed, external morality is a shame-based control mechanism. Screw it. That doesn't mean you cannot have your own moral values - and everyone does, don't let them fool you. It just takes experience and intellectual bravery, to build your own morality, one that serves you, in the most general notion, rather than limits you.
InfiniteAscent 9y ago
The entire premise of TRP is that society feeds you blue-pill values which do not reflect reality. As an example, most TRP guys seem to think cheating on a woman or dating a married woman is a bad idea but they don't judge those that make those choices. You get to define your own values around here, but the main idea is to face reality (swallow the pill) and do what's best for you given that reality.
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
I bang hookers in places where it's legal.
takethedive 9y ago
Sexual Strategy ITSELF is amoral. I have to accept that pushing my sexual strategy in a way that is morally wrong to some but dominates hers more effectively will lead to a more secure situation, and better results, always.
With that being said, I've been spinning plates for years, and my abundance is always there. So my attitude is "this is how I want our relationship to be. I'm informing you beforehand. You're fully informed. If you have issues you'd like to discuss, feel free, and I'll take them into account and we can talk about it. But if you don't like it, the door is over there and it's better we just don't waste each other's time."
LadyXon 9y ago
Was it hard at first telling your plates you had other plates spinning? If so, how did you overcome the initial hesitancy?
takethedive 9y ago
I feel a lot more congruent when I'm honest.
Usually, after a first date, I've overcome shit tests like "you must be like this with all the girls" or "how many other people have you used that line on" -- or she'll ask "How many people have you BEEN with?!" and I'll have said "Today? Or did you mean this week?".
So it's almost inevitable that part of the LMR is, "Are you sleeping with other people? I don't want to be just another girl."
Response: "They come and go. What matters is that sometimes you meet someone and you feel like you've known them forever, and then everything just clicks and you know it's meant to be. If I didn't want you here, you'd be gone."
Overcome LMR, have sex marathon, morning after arrives:
Her: "So when am I going to see you again? I hope you don't just forget about me [blah blah blah]"
Me: You know I have needs. You saw last night what kind of needs I have. They're needs, not wants, and they will be met. Truthfully, spending time on a lot of girls isn't very efficient. If one girl was meeting my needs so well that I didn't want any others, then moving forward with that is something I'd consider. But it's a rare girl who could do that, and besides, we barely know each other. Let's move a little slower than this."
You'll notice that I'm disobeying the command of DEER. I'm being openly honest, revealing my intentions, and the dread is on the table, it's no longer covert. But I'm also letting her know that she has a shot to win me one day, if she works hard... at meeting my needs. That if she tries hard enough, she might be able to keep me from my other plates.
It's a good incentive. Overcoming the hesitation to actually say what you believe isn't a TRP plates issue. It's a masculinity issue. Either speak your mind or don't, but it displays ultimate abundance when you're so up front about it that they can't ever claim they were deceived. You're ready to walk, right then. It's like crack to them. That's what a man would do. I'm still on my journey, so there might be better ways, but I like this one.
Helps me sleep at night.
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blackedoutfast 9y ago
look at the girl and say "oooh is this guy your boyfriend?" and she will say something like "eeeewwww no way, Billy Beta is just a friend, he's like a brother to me. i would never date him!"
also followup with a random compliment to BB to AMOG him more. something like "cool shoes man i like those" - that will make him look like even more of a jealous little beta bitch when he say's you're being creepy or tries to move the girl somewhere else.
don't explicitly say it but maintain the frame that you're a cool, friendly guy having a enjoyable with a girl who is having a good time and the other guy trying to break it up is a jealous orbiter getting butthurt and acting possessive for no good reason. this is an easy frame to hold since it's pretty accurate frame of what is actually happening
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us vs the world approach.
Build the narrative of you and girl being a partners in crime unit, and this guy coming in to screw it up. Don't address as an equal (no fighting etc) and the status boost will work, maybe not while he's cock blocking, but if she wants to fuck, she will find a way to get you both together, alone
Gnoppong 9y ago
Any tips on gaming mexico? I'm heading there in a few weeks and wondering what I should know about the women that is different from American girls?
amekooky 9y ago
depends .. what part of mexico? bigger cities tend to be a little bit closer to our culture in the US, stupid feminism is on the rise over there .. smaller towns are very much different.. SMV is very well noticed, and monogamy is still a thing which could very well be a double edged sword.
randomperson123321 9y ago
The general idea remains the same. Demonstrate high value, do not put others down, do not let others step on you.
Also, do not seem too "out of reach" cause girls will be afraid that you are out of their league.
ElCthuluIncognito 9y ago
If you're in a major city, same deal as US city.
However, the culture still puts more weight on a woman's sexual reputation than in the US. Sleeping with strangers isn't "empowering" there yet, so if you're getting turned down more than usual it's more than likely because they don't want to look slutty for their reputations sake despite their personal feelings.
Howdoiusesync 9y ago
Do all girls with close guy friends usually fuck them? I went out with a buddy of mine last night and he told me this one girl in his social group fucked the closest friends of her ex.
Is this common?
Darth_Antonius 9y ago
Best ways to hold a woman's interest during a conversation? Approaching for me is no problem but I'm terrible at holding her interest once the conversation gets going.
bsutansalt 9y ago
The goal of approaching is to be in a position to have an extended conversation and escalate things towards a romantic relationship, or without escalation in which you create friendships. You do this by building commonalities, using past & future projections, and seeding reasons to meet again later and/or to continue the interaction at another venue.
The first step in building new relationships is identifying and cultivating commonalities. Stretch the conversation out through past & future projections, create a link in her mind using memories, imaginary as they are, and branch off of statements. Nearly every statement has two topics (or more). Natural conversation isn't questions followed by answers, it's mostly statements spun off into new directions. This is the "gift of gab". The baseline "secret" of doing this is to follow this simple rule:
Relate your experiences back to her using THOUGHTS and EMOTIONS.
When telling a story don't just spit out a bunch of facts of events and what happened. Tell her what was running through your head and what you were feeling when the event occurred. Use analogies as well for things that women might be more familiar with (shopping & movies are huge).
Bad conversation:
My TV broke last weekend during the game so picked up a new one Monday after work and of course Best Buy sucked as usual.
Good conversation:
I was watching TV last weekend and just as my favorite team was making the last drive to tie the game it broke. Just...poof. Nothing. I was soooo frustrated. Have you ever been watching something you were so into and then your power or cable go out and you miss a really important part? Doesn't that suck? Worst still is when I went to Best Buy the sales people were no help. Ever been shopping and everyone sorta just ignores you? Hellooo! I'm right hear people! Talk about frustrating. You know what I mean? I just kept thinking to myself 'I wonder what would happen if I just made up some popcorn in the appliances section and kicked off my shoes and lounged on the couch and popped a movie into the display setup they have?' That would kick ass and you KNOW they'd come running to see what's up.
Get the idea? Thoughts, emotions, and use what I call "checking in" to see if they're following along:
The key takeaway is you want them nodding their head, or even better piggybacking onto your conversation thread and injecting their own stories as they relate to yours.
Building Commonalities
There are several types of commonalities:
Direct commonalities - the things you have in common
Indirect commonalities - things your friends may have in common with her, or her friends may have in common with you
You build commonalities through the following methods:
There are 3 general rules when building commonalities and having conversations:
Note: 1 & 2 touches on Vertical vs Horizontal conversation, 3 is basically "Qualification"
Vertical vs Horizontal
A good way of getting them invested in the conversation is vertical conversation. Horizontal is the surface stuff, basic AFC questions that feels like an interview rather than an honest conversation. Vertical digs deeper and marries together building commonalities and getting them to jump through hoops via qualification.
Check-ins also help keep vertical conversations going:
What was that like?
Really? Tell me more.
4WH
As shown above, check-ins often make use of 4WH, which is a great way of getting more open-ended answers: What, Why, When, Where, How? Who is already covered since it's you or her.
Seeding the Conversation
The goal of the preceding conversational tactics is to draw out information from a woman and to keep a conversation going. The reason for this is to build some rapport and generate some investment on her part, which is what translates to attraction. The following explains what to do with that information in leading up to the close. Keep in mind that "closing" in this sense is different from closing mentality which is a whole other topic, so I won't cover that. What I'm providing here is what gets you their contact details, nothing more.
The first step in closing is actually identifying commonalities, which is a large part of why one needs to become conversationally savvy. Generating investment through qualification and making statements are simple ways of making sure they'll want to keep things going. Another good way of making sure you talk about topics they're interested in. The 4 most important topics people generally care about are:
If you're after younger women then you might want to discuss topics more specific to this demographic as evidenced by female media geared towards their age range (eg Cosmo):
Ideally the topics you wish to discuss should be ones that are important to you, just as you would with qualification. This is important because the commonalities you build will be based on real-life experiences or aspirations you might have.
Once you’ve got some topics picked out, relate something about yourself to one of them and you're off to a great start. While discussing these topics you’re actually seeding reasons to close them whether you realize it or not, so don’t just touch on a subject and change the subject. Actually spend some time talking about the topics. Get detailed, and use the skills I spoke of previously, namely describing how you feel and think when performing the activities that are the topic of conversation. Don't do what most guys do and just mention something and then move away from that conversational thread onto another topic. Flesh things out a bit. Qualify them on the topics at hand. This is how you create a genuine connection and get them invested.
tl;dr - One of the simplest methods of being interesting is to be interested. This should occur organically by using ended questions that dig deeper and deeper into what makes her tick. These open ended questions lead into qualification and escalation, but those topics are outside the scope of this post.
yaysmr 9y ago
Wanna know my secret? I have three go-to questions that universally work to inspire conversation. I use them IF there are no other obvious topics on hand and/or I'm not thinking clearly enough for various reasons.
1) What is the bravest thing you've ever done?
Depending on the answer, you can tease them, act impressed, or if it is some deep, dark sort of thing (I hear rape-related answers to this on occasion) go into a more personal discussion if they're comfortable.
Always leads into "well, what else would you WANT to do but are too scared to?"
2) What is the nerdiest thing you've ever done?
This one is a bit of a weird one but usually helps figure out what sort of girl you're dealing with.
3) What is the kinkiest thing you've ever done?
Great way to get into sex, escalate if you want, and again gauge what kind of girl you're with. if she immediately starts talking about the 12 man gangbang she was in, you have valuable insight.
Again, don't get too used to using these, but if you are trying to keep her interest and keep the convo going, keep them on hand to deploy. They're no substitute for genuine charisma, though.
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I like the Dane Cook approach. I find it's not important what you talk about, if you can say it with energy, and constantly make random connections, wave your arms around etc.
Throw in some teasing, negs, and give her any reason to talk about herself, and you're in.
Don't be afraid to piss her off. Angry women are engaged, bored women are indifferent.
Navebippzy 9y ago
Approach her, ask her about herself(something that is evident from the way she looks/is acting/ the situation you are in). Keep what she is talking about going by asking more questions or commenting on what she said unless if you have a relevant story. Assess her responses/ body language as you go, and you"ll find out if you've made a friend or if this girl is interested in you. If its the second one, ask her out. If the first, being socially competent is a good thing.
HumanSockPuppet 9y ago
Just ask some open-ended, emotionally-charged questions with a lean towards making her qualify herself.
Bitches love to talk about themselves, and she'll catch on to the fact that you're judging her suitability as a mate. Add in some teasing to her answers, and you're in.
mikazee 9y ago
Examples please. Do you know any posts or sites on this? And examples. Especially on the emotionally charged front.
DonaldBaelish 9y ago
Push-Pull
Shaman6624 9y ago
Do you know of any infield footage demonstrating push pull?
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How to deal with depression after taking the red pill? And it comes with losing your 4-year LTR, your best friend fucking your ex, no job or money, very low self-esteem, bad looks, no social skills. Where to start? How do you find motivation to pull yourself up again? What have you done when you're at the lowest point in your life? Thanks! TRP is bitter, but community is just amazing.
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you're not depressed, you're sad.
keep lifting to keep your brain right, and keep a journal about your feelings, Jordan Petersons JRE podcast talks about the emotional response to memories, worth a listen
SetConsumes 9y ago
Take responsibility for your life and start working on yourself, a little bit of improvement everyday leads the massive change in the long run.
Forgive yourself for your failings, learn from them, and keep growing.
It may help to list out what you need to improve most and get to it.
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Start with realizing that everything that's wrong with your life is entirely YOUR FAULT (besides some sort of birth deformity or mental retardation).
Good, now that you know you're 99% responsible for your shitty life, that means you can change it. Depressed? Get therapy. Shitty job? Go back to school. No sex? Lower your standard.
DirtyProject0r 9y ago
I have recently caught up with a couple of women I had sex with over a longer period of time by walking into them at random. We start talking and they bring up the time "we" had. They all tell me that I have hurt them in some way, often by hard nexting them, with some of them almost tearing up. I have never realized my behaviour had this amount of impact on them and have started feeling uncomfortable hurting this women this bad.
Since experiencing this I am doubting whether I should go for either two types of game:
Hardcore TRP-game: Be an "asshole". This will probably give me the best results but at the same time I know I hurt this women badly.
I would like some thoughts of other members on this.
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DonaldBaelish 9y ago
Because hard nexting a woman is a show of high SMV and they subconsciously know it. They are also hurt because they could not lock down that particular high SMV male.
TRP is amoral , don't feel bad just because you decided not to LTR some redflag-filled girl.
You should go for the game that suits you. For plates you go with the former. For relationships you go with the latter.
LockedOnTheRedPill 9y ago
What they are doing are what I'd call "Nuclear shit tests." The end game is to either turn you into a beta provider or guilt trip the hell out of you. Women crave that type of drama, control over a person. The worst thing you could do is break frame and give them that control. You made a mistake reconnecting with them.
It truly depends on what your strategy is with game. If it's LTR oriented, you need more of your second option. If short term plates or ONS is your goal, go with the first option. An overlooked concept on TRP are "Comfort Tests." Passing these are vital for successful LTRs and long term plates. I see them as nearly the opposite of shit tests as they test the fact that you aren't too much of an "asshole." Women do want to feel loved, and too much of being an asshole can turn a woman off just as much as a failed shit test. I would argue that passing comfort tests while maintaining frame is just as important as passing shit tests in an LTR/Long-Term Plate.
AnonymousAndLovinIt 9y ago
As much as I've looked, I have found no clear answer to this.
TRP is certainly amoral much like the sciences, but applying it is certainly immoral by many standards. That's why I always hear members say "there is no right or wrong, there just is".
They realize that the only way to adopt what they believe with they do is to adopt "amorality". (although there are contradictions; claiming that it doesn't matter if you alpha-widow a number of women while also being angry in the face of injustice)
JamesSkepp 9y ago
You mishandled ASD. She has buyers remorse - not enough comfort, perhaps you didn't qualify her enough, it's a result of her not being able to rationalize having sex with you.
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Once you aren't fucking/relationship, their emotional lives ceased to become part of yours. This isn't about TRP game, this is simply avoiding being an emotional tampon, except you do it for your own alpha widowing...
Fogging is always your friend, acknowledge the statements they made, without admitting guilt, apologizing, or giving a value judgement.
Then wish them well, and carry on your day. This is one of those 'why is a stupid question' examples I use often. Once they've exited your life, you are polite (because why not be?) but you are not engaging, women have to earn that, and for whatever reason, these women didn't do enough to keep it. Why are they like this? Who cares, focus on how to disengage, because clearly this conversation isn't for your benefit.
Why they think this? Who cares, thats for them to figure out. If you don't do things you cannot live with... you are your own judge, and will not apologize for someones emotional problems
VickVaseline 9y ago
This is a great reply. I have been reading your blog and posts here. Your username has been driving me crazy, though: what does it mean?
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Something unique. STP was my 3rd favourite band growing up, swapped the words out.
No one else is using it, not tied to anything ive ever used IRL.
VickVaseline 9y ago
OMG Stone Temple Pilots! I get it now! I loved them too lol
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That's awesome. Sex Type Thing is hardass that probably wouldn't be well accepted these days.
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Book on MRP sidebar, "when I say no, I feel guilty"
Whenever a woman talks about her feelings add "Right now" to the end
whenever a woman talks about excuses, and shit she won't do, add "with you" to the end.
Thats the code to udnerstanding womaneese.
You've inflicted nothing, they are simply conveying their current emotional state to you. Woman gets dumped, seeing him brings up feelings, she feels bad, so she has to build a narrative to understand it. Naturally, it must be because he was bad to her, that explains why she feels bad.
It's why "don't listen to what they say, watch what they do" I gaurantee, if he gamed them, threw a few comfort tests, they would be right back on his dick. and this would all be some other bullshit story to go with it.
It's also where "women are children" come from.
Don't kid yourself, there isn't a man in here who is epic enough to break a woman like you think. It's ego to think you're that important in some ONS/Plates life.
Next week, they will have no idea what he's talking about if brought up
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MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 9y ago
I try to observe the Camping Rule of relationships, whereby one leaves a place or relationship better than he found it. Some women aren't worth/don't deserve a thoughtful breaking up process, but being unnecessarily cavalier with peoples' hearts can weigh on you later, unlike exercising a modicum of reasonable aftercare.
Reforming "nice guys" sometimes turn away from TRP specifically because they don't want to turn into "that asshole" just to get pussy. Aiming more toward Dale Carnegie instead of pure Machiavelli is a good general guidepost, for those grappling with this concern.
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MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 9y ago
Mmmmm, not specifically; many here practically fetishize Dark Triad traits and Machiavellian behavior. One can also be a charismatic, Captain-modeled leader of his relationship without being taken advantage of or the dynamic inevitably slipping to her favor.
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RedPharaohRising 9y ago
When it was cold approach/in school it was easy to go out and make mistakes, but in the professional world, reputation matters, and I don't want to misstep my current position but I also don't want to miss out by being a coward.
How do you assess this?
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Don't shit where you eat. If it's a professional setting with coworkers, then you keep it professional. If it's at a convention with alcohol, all bets are off.
Subtletorious 9y ago
Do not actively pursue office relationships. In addition to the usual office politics of a group environment, HR departments will crucify men on the slightest allegation of impropriety regardless of merit. A woman who feels jilted or offended can be very creative with allegations. Remember, HR departments exist to serve the company, not the employees.
Use office connections as a social network to branch outside of the office staff. Don't date the receptionist, rather bang her sister.
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Don't approach in a workplace.
Like fuck, how did you not know this?
RedPharaohRising 9y ago
I should have clarified my post. I mean general social mistakes like being unable to read people's receptiveness, understand how much social capital I have with people, etc.
If i misread body language/cues with random people, it's fine. Not with people where it matters.
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XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 9y ago
How do you keep a girl at a distance and still enjoy her? This chicks in love with me and I like her but don't want to fall in love because that shit is never worth the potential pain
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you're not responsible for her feelings. You're also not that important, they fall hard, they get over just as hard.
Just do boundaries, and get over yourself, you're more interchangeable than you think
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Spend no more than 1 day a week with her.
XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 9y ago
I don't. But we text/talk on the phone every day.
trpgeorge 9y ago
Distance her on the phone, be like you're busy. then give her the time of her life when you're with her!
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Cut that shit out. You're a busy Alpha, you don't have time to talk on the phone like her girlfriend.
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SetConsumes 9y ago
It's the talking that really gets her in your head and hooks you in many angles.
In some sects of Hinduism the monks do not even small chat with women because of how female nature is seductive through and through.
Idk how many women I've spoken to and gotten to know, but I can recognize the hooks of many them still present in my mind even years later. Often I will forget their beauty before I forget their words.
XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 9y ago
You're right. I can hear her voice all the time.
SetConsumes 9y ago
Like a Siren beckoning your ship toward the rocks.
Lsegundo 9y ago
How long have you been spinning plates? Do you get tired of the churn? Are you tempted to seek LTR?
semi-irrelevant rant follows:
I recently started having sex with a woman who lives nearby. First two times were great(2 days in a row) and she was texting me all kinds of dirty stuff. Last week she got an IUD. I met her for 10 minutes around town to do her a small favor. Later on she texted me. I made a joke about us having sex again. She drops the convo. I am waiting a few days to see if she starts it up. Her top potential was plate/FWB. She wasn't FWB material without some life changes. I will still be disappointed if I don't get to nail her a few more times at least. It is shocking that things go from hot sweaty sex to lack of interest after 10 minutes of facetime (I was in a kind of down mood.) lesson: even the average woman, whose life has derailed, has so many options she will cut you loose over the tiniest slip up.
A plate contacted me after not seeing each other for almost 2 months. We made a date. I had to cancel. Then she tells me she has to figure things out. She is kinda seeing someone.
There is the possibility of another round with a recent hookup.
I found a blonde that seems like just my type that I really want to get a date with, and a few new tinder matches.
Getting a couple plates lined up and putting dating life on auto-pilot is elusive. Hopefully more lifting and self improvement and things will just fall into place.
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23 - 29 was my big years, and made up for lost time.
It was boring before I started PUA, that made it a game, and it was fun again.
What I got tired of was bullshit, I grabbed one at 29, after a stripper flaked on me, one of my other FWB. Occasionally one of the crazies comes out of the woodwork to reminisce, only 1 still looks bangable.
It was the realization that chasing girls was not my mission, it was getting in the way of my mission, and a 23 year old that was low drama, and could drywall beat the other dozens of girls that couldn't do shit but suck.
Still auditioning for the part, and I'm still prepared to replace if it goes south.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 9y ago
Personally, I prefer some kind of connection with women I'm sleeping with; even my plates are long term, part time. I like the having more than the getting.
Key advice: Relationship talk is the woman's prerogative, and you DON'T have to initiate this conversation to get to sex. When I learned to STFU and escalate, it surprised me how late in the relationship (well after we'd started having sex) and how little relationship talk she brought up on her own initiative.
CopperFox3c 9y ago
Several years. But I go through phases ... get tempted into STRs that last maybe 6 months. Or every once in a while I go into a semi monk mode for a month or so, just to recharge my batteries and get life shit done. Women are a by-product, not the goal, and like anything they can become a distraction if overdone.
It can be a nice change of pace. Once you've been with enough women (I'm in my mid-30's and have been with a lot, usually 10-12 new girls a year on average), it does lose a little of its magic. The churn is just part of the game, but I find taking a break every once in a while is good for your peace of mind.
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Shaman6624 9y ago
Read the slight edge by jeff olson. Good stuff. Read meditations by Marcus Aurelius. And do what he says focus on the little things, you live on a planet of infinite beauty and you feel like every day is the same??
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Yeah, it's called a goal. If you can't picture who you want to be in 5 years, get on it.
And aim high, be specific, break it down by timeline. Having more money isn't a goal. doing 3 career pivots, and moving from analyst to manager, and could be
bitch_regulator 9y ago
Read "The principles that govern social interaction" from Manhood Academy. Despite the title, it contains valuable information about going from chaos to order. It helped me an awful lot while going through a dark period.
Edit: Google it and you can get the pdf for free.
Mangome 9y ago
changing your life completely in one go is not a good idea in my opinion, you might not have the mental strength to go through and burn out and goes back to the old lifestyle (that was what happened to me multiple times anyway). What I do now is just taking it slow, get my mind slowly becoming comfortable with the changes. Go right ahead and start with stronglift 5x5 is my recommendation.
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Start building good habits, things will become second nature once those actions becomes less of a chore and more of an ingrained habit
Fulp_Piction 9y ago
Every day is your life, just in little tiny bits. So what you do everyday, all added together is your life and what it will amount to. There is no arrival point where you just make it and your life turns around, you have to create the life you want every day and live that life every day. Don't wait, it never just arrives.
beta_no_mo 9y ago
Yeah, there's a model: KEEP DOING IT. That IS the structure.
Sklavenmoral 9y ago
Here's what worked for me... develop a vision. That sounds simple, but it's pretty difficult to come up with a vision of what you want from life. To develop a vision you have to really think about what you value. Do you value adventure? Honesty? Strength? Power? What do you value?
Once you've figured out what you value, use that information to figure out what the ideal life looks like to you. Then make a plan!
The motivation will come naturally because you will have the answer to "why?"
Mind you, this is not easy, and it will take a tremendous amount of effort to get somewhat right. There will be much trial and error until you land on things that speak to you.
Also, don't be attached to your vision. If it's not working, change it. Put in the effort to be the creator of your life. You will have a new lease on life.
PissedPajamas 9y ago
Rome wasn't built in a day
spicyitallian 9y ago
find what works best for you. I found that changing my diet helped everything fall into place. Your stomach has bacteria that affects your brain. Healthy diet = healthy mind. Once you got that worked out, start every morning with a cold shower. You feel a rush of energy and it will help you kick ass all day. Next, add structure that works for you. Example: work 9 - 5. Gym 5:30 - 6:30. Eat 7-7:30. Read 7:45-8:30. Relax 8:30-bed time
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LadyXon 9y ago
i) Breathe exceptionally deeply, with your diaphragm, right into your core - but slow, controlled breaths, breaths that tell your body, 'It's okay, I'm not in danger.' This'll dissipate the shock.
ii) Put all of your attention on a body part that's not immediately under the shower. E.g. If your hand is currently not under the stream, put all your focus and attention into that hand (as if your transporting your mind into your hand). This removes the mental pain.
iii) As a final step, you could imagine that your somewhere idyllic, far from the reality of the cold shower. But, ideally you'll become comfortable under the shower itself, using the two steps above, and not merely enduring of it while imagining that you're on a Hawaiian beach.
TL;DR: Use mental/breathing techniques to alleviate shock/pain of cold shower.
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yunhaila 9y ago
hey man, I was in the same mindset myself. Its a philosophical issue. What changed it for me was reading The Slight Edge. The book spurred on a new philosophical approach to living for me. I highly recommend it for you.
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yunhaila 9y ago
"You can only lead a horse to water, you cannot make it drink it" haha
Wing3dHussars 9y ago
Hey men.
I've been into TRP environement, mostly in its picking up girls form for a year. I've started to get profit from it recently and I wanna share that knoledge with my fellow roomates but they somehow (society I guess) seem to reject this. I've already performed for them some times, failure and success, but I can't hook them into it. Have you found the same resistance?, any ideas on how can I try to finally get them into this?
I'd like to apologize just in case I didn't follow the rules, I think I did but since I'm not native english speaker something must have gone unnoticed.
seaguy87 9y ago
Unfortunately, for many men, they have to destroyed by women first (crushed by their oneitis, cheated on by their girlfriend, divorced raped, etc) before being mentally primed to accept the red pill. If they are still high on blue pill feels, you'll just be speaking Greek to them.
Subtletorious 9y ago
You are right that a lot of RP is not currently politically correct. As such, do not talk about Red Pill.
Lead by example. If your friends are interested they will come to you. If they are not interested, leave them be. There is nothing more annoying than somebody criticizing your beliefs.
Wing3dHussars 9y ago
I'm not criticizing them, I just have randon talks with them where I defend TRP points, and they agree with me, but when it comes to girls they run away.
I let them as a lost cause weeks ago but found this and asked, just in case I was missing something.
SetConsumes 9y ago
Find out where they are and then give them advice that's not too far off from where they are but still closer to rp, or better is if you can lead them to the conclusion you want.
Its hard as fuck though. Often they can't see what you see and so they just hear noise.
Wing3dHussars 9y ago
Interesting idea. i've tried to feed them with some literature, to get them started. That's actually the material I used for myself, I think I may be scaring them.
Thanks man!, you really opent my mind, I may have been trying to speed up the process for them without realizing that's not really possible without even maybe frustrating them. I'll try slowing it down
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Wing3dHussars 9y ago
I see my situation in your story. I feel bad for them because they actively complain about their sex life, one of them was in a LTR and he's totally unable to speak to a girl while opnely and most of the time speaking about banging girls and I feel like I have super power (due to my knoledge) that could help him.
Thanks guys, your point are almost the same so I'll give it a try, though I'm a 90-100% or 0-10%, almost no grey specter in many life aspects
TheWorldToCome 9y ago
Let's say you get a girls number during the day that you can tell she is clearly into you at the time. Is it cool to just invite her straight over to your place for a drink or is that pretty much too direct. Is the standard always to have your first "date" in a public place for coffee or drinks of something?
Wing3dHussars 9y ago
It depends on her. If you're sure she's into you aim as high as you can, if she's not comfortable but still likes you she'll let you know.
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junior_painkiller 9y ago
Does TRP-women make sense? I mean how does that correlate with trp-men and isn't it the opposite? Does it teach girls to be femine and act appropiate or is it just a counter-trp?
Dont have enough time to read it tbh. May be anyone knows more about it?
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In philosophy, they have the idea of "the real." Best way I can describe "the real" is when you are fucking a chick, for a moment you realize the rediculousness of it. (Ramming your dick in and out of a wet hole over and over again). I see TRP as "the real." The problem is, philosophy would say that too much of the real will drive a person litterally crazy. Depressed. This is where I am at with TRP and women. At first I was angry as hell. But now it all seems so damn pointless. I have this feeling that the more I work at it all (I just pulled my first girl thanks to TRP--ended balls deep in her as soon as I called her the wrong name and instantly sank into her frame. Live and learn) the less depressing it will get-- I hope. Has this been the case for you guys who have worked this stuff for a while now?
Also, how does one create an abundance mentality wholly within your own mind when really just starting out? I can't even keep a girl around past one date (because I really don't care to expend any more energy on her than that.). Without plates to spin...how do you cultivate that abundance to help keep the girls around in the first place?
Will_Die_Trying 9y ago
Yes, but the reason things seem so pointless is because you are looking outward, rather than inward. (Spoiler alert, things are pointless. The andromeda galaxy doesn't care about your metabolism or procreation or breakfast cereal or lack thereof, lol) You can indeed intellectualize life to the point of oblivion, as I have done in the past -
OR
Understand your place in the cosmos as a sentient event in space time, that that cannot be changed, and let go. Then look inward for what you actually want in the finite space time event that we call life.
So, kill yourself because everything is pointless(like I tried to do), be a miserable nihilistic mess, or truely find out what the fuck is going to make this life worth living to you, and go and do that.
My abundance metality comes from knowing all women are the same, and not really giving a shit about them one way or another. Once I swallowed that love doesn't really exist for a man, and internilized AWALT after feild research, it was pretty easy. Care about pussy less. I think you are obfuscating the point. Abundance is knowing you are the king, and all women are easily replacable, the real life extension of this being having a bunch of bitches, not nesasarily the other way around(for us non maturals, anyway).
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SetConsumes 9y ago
Better to ask what makes a man masculine, his testosterone is certainly the driver. Understand what makes a man a man and you'll figure out women by converse and what they lack that we provide and vice versa.
Subtletorious 9y ago
Softness.
The softness of a slippery aroused vagina.
The softness of breasts.
The softness of a higher body fat.
The softness of muscle strength.
The softness of voice in pitch and tone. The softness of movement.
... and so on. Good question.
worktillyouburk 9y ago
How to care again?
My friends took me out and really made me realize i have no more game after being in a LTR for 7 years.
started talking to a girl and had nothing to say. though she seemed interested anyways i kinda just went fuck it after a while since i had nothing to talk about to her.
hugaddiction 9y ago
if this relationship just ended, try some self focussed improvement, you can always come back to girls after you feel good about yoruself and are no longer emotionally effected by your previous LTR.
ryeprotagonist 9y ago
Set your target higher. Changing difficulty level after you master a game forces you to sharpen your skills/self. It can get the motivation juices flowing again.
If you're currently gaming 6's-7's, try 7's-8's.
Or... If you can't be arsed putting up with the constant shittests (which I totally understand) which are served up by hotter women, recalibrate with your current one(s): add an extra plate, get them to cook for you/buy dinner or push their boundaries in bed.
[deleted] 9y ago
thats not you caring, thats you being boring. What do you do in life that wakes you up in the morning?
I guarantee if you can answer that, you know how to be interesting
Radinax 9y ago
You can check The Improvement Pill Channel on youtube, it has tons of REAL info on how to be a MAN and that includes how to talk with people.
Swallowed_the_pill 9y ago
Charisma on command is also great.
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AsianAway 9y ago
As nerdy as this sounds, I really enjoy board games. I enjoy the strategy behind games and the bonding and fun times you have with a group if you choose to do MeetUp.
Beware: Lots of white knights in those groups.
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ShadowPeopleAreReal 9y ago
Dont lie in the future. You dont have to lie to people to be successful. You told her it was exclusive and it wasnt.
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Fuck your guilt, that's because you broke your promise to monogamy.
Jani1157 9y ago
Out of curiosity, how did she find out? Something like this is going to take time. What are you really feeling guilty about?
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MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 9y ago
If you want to spin plates and live nonmonogamously yet ethically, study polyamory and set up your relationships properly. The Black Dragon blog and the MoreThanTwo website are rich resources for these endeavors.
SetConsumes 9y ago
Haha, innocent girls. They're still just whores, just happen to be introverted ones.
You took the risk and presumably enjoyed yourself.
But maybe you're a truly good person and so your conscience is yelling at you.
Things you're truly guilty about you can't just get over. It's the same as things people have done that have truly wronged you can never be forgiven.
To be able to at all requires changing what makes you feel guilty in the first place, undoing your beliefs that are causing guilt, getting rid of your conscience. But then you threaten to unhinge your morality and may not like what you find next.
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Will_Die_Trying 9y ago
Yes.
Wont go into my past in detail, but essentially I was a blue beta through and through and thought 'doing the right thing' was truly the path to what I wanted/happiness. (Spoiler alert - lost everything from future plans of career to social circle to support system. The truth is no one gives a shit about you wxcept for people who understand what you are goong through - here I supppse it's rp tranformational growing pains)
This is why I tend to disregard the (rather horrendous advice) that 'you alone are completely responsible for where you are'. You can't say that if you think you are doing the right thing/beem brainwashed lied to by everyone/everything. But if you now know, NOW your responsibility for where you want to go is yours. So give yourself a break, perhaps even a little pity. You have mine. But after some time, get the fuck out of bed and force yourself to do something. Baby steps. Then Walk. Then sprint. Then climb mountains.
The single best killer of depression is accomplishing something. This can be anything from literally getting out of bed because you have to pee(I have been there), to going to the store to get milk, or something infinetely more extreme when you are up for it(like taking a 6000 mile road trip when I tried to kill myself)
Personally my biggest reasons for depression becoming a crimson knight was seing how fucking desolate everything is for a straight cis white male. Yes you are alone, but not really. Some Men are out there for you. Like me right now. You don't know me, but I have your fucking back bro.
Try to identify the parts of your life that are missing. Then focous on having them not missing. You may find you need a plan for a semblance of a life worth living before you can take definitive steps and act towards the big picture. This is why I have had many false starts in my life.
But right now get out of fucking bed to pee, lol.
Will_Die_Trying 9y ago
Yes.
Wont go into my past in detail, but essentially I was a blue beta through and through and thought 'doing the right thing' was truly the path to what I wanted/happiness. (Spoiler alert - lost everything from future plans of career to social circle to support system. The truth is no one gives a shit about you wxcept for people who understand what you are goong through - here I supppse it's rp tranformational growing pains)
This is why I tend to disregard the (rather horrendous advice) that 'you alone are completely responsible for where you are'. You can't say that if you think you are doing the right thing/beem brainwashed lied to by everyone/everything. But if you now know, NOW your responsibility for where you want to go is yours. So give yourself a break, perhaps even a little pity. You have mine. But after some time, get the fuck out of bed and force yourself to do something. Baby steps. Then Walk. Then sprint. Then climb mountains.
The single best killer of depression is accomplishing something. This can be anything from literally getting out of bed because you have to pee(I have been there), to going to the store to get milk, or something infinetely more extreme when you are up for it(like taking a 6000 mile road trip when I tried to kill myself)
Personally my biggest reasons for depression becoming a crimson knight was seing how fucking desolate everything is for a straight cis white male. Yes you are alone, but not really. Some Men are out there for you. Like me right now. You don't know me, but I have your fucking back bro.
Try to identify the parts of your life that are missing. Then focous on having them not missing. You may find you need a plan for a semblance of a life worth living before you can take definitive steps and act towards the big picture. This is why I have had many false starts in my life.
But right now get out of fucking bed to pee, lol.
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You chose a book for reading
nofappist 9y ago
Women will get together with a man she likes and try to change him until he changes into something she doesn't like. If you attracted her, that means that what you're doing is working.
Subtletorious 9y ago
She is not pushing for commitment, she is pushing for dominance. Saying silly words to a partner is not any sign of commitment. However, trying to turn a partner into a Talking Suzie doll is a sign of attempted dominance.
Keep doing what you are doing. It is clearly working on some level, so she really doesn't need all the sugar talk. If she doesn't like the relationship she is free to move on - which you appear to not care if she does. Either way you win.
If you want to add some Comfort, the things you do and say must be your initiative. If she sets the agenda, the process becomes a Shit Test rather than just a Comfort Test.
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SetConsumes 9y ago
You're basically vetting her still. If something is moral or not is your call, judge according to your own morality or lack thereof.
It does help, but you should keep spinning plates to help avoid oneitis.
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He chooses a book for reading
ceilnaffrey 9y ago
Based on your response.. You are feeling some guilt. I would try to end asap
Jokerx70 9y ago
What advice would one give to dudes who have crippling anxiety relatted to sex due to performance/being older virgin (20s)/ premature ejulation/size
Tuki2ki2 9y ago
The advice listed below is sound. I would recommend you stop watching porn as well. Porn really messes with your head regarding dick size, performance anxiety, keeping it up, ejaculation. Give it a shot. Good luck.
[deleted] 9y ago
Try to fuck as much as possible, so don't be too picky. Take it as an exercise for hotter women. After a while you'll see sex is not such a big deal.
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adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
Sexual dysfunction is not a problem of the person, generally it is a problem of the couple. Your anxiety is most probably not focused on sex itself, it has wider scope, and just makes itself evident during sex.
Try monk mode, get sex out of the way for a while, and work on having interactions were you feel fully accepted. Take it from there.
Subtletorious 9y ago
When the problem exists in your head, so does the solution.
[deleted] 9y ago
stop thinking. Go out specifically to fail. keep failing, and actively try to extend how long you can go before you fail.
Remember that movie the accountant? this is your wooden stick and heavy metal
SetConsumes 9y ago
Presence. Get the fuck out of your head and focus on your breathing, what you see around you, what you're feeling and experiencing. Give into your feeling and allow yourself to get turned on and immersed.
Meditating helps increase your ability to be present and control your minds thoughts.
I could be in the middle of a session and let my mind start thinking about shit and watch my self go soft. Lol.
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MethaCat 9y ago
Hi, do any of you guys save or back up the info on this channel?
I don't want to jinx it, but censorship seems to be getting some momentum specially if the content doesn't fit the current politically correct agenda. I have seen other places in the Internet go and all was lost due to not backing up or having a plan B.
d0lphinsex 9y ago
How do you handle your beta dad and dominant mom? My parents still treat me like I'm 12 even though I'm in my 30s. It's starting to piss me off and I don't know how to behave so they back the fuck off.
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I barely talk, and when I do, I cut it off when that happens.
Moms learned quick, I'll next her if she doesn't straighten up
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Step 1, don't live at home. The less they see you, the less they try to intrude into your life.
SetConsumes 9y ago
Ignore your dad and treat your mother like a child.
Yeah, I know.
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
You're in your 30s? Then it's too late. They should've changed when you were 20. They won't change now. Ever. Disengage. They are not your "dad" and "mom". They are two adults with whom you decide when and whether and what kind of contact you want to have.
If you can't do that, then you probably still need them at an emotional level, which means that their goal to keep you dependent has succeeded.
d0lphinsex 9y ago
I haven't lived at home for 9 years. Been a super beta since last year when I found TRP. I visit them almost every month and it's always the same even though I've said that they should treat me like a peer, not a child.
HarderRedderFaster 9y ago
Read "When I Say No I Feel Guilty." Someone here said it was linked in the Married Red Pill sidebar.
LostLittleBoi 9y ago
How can I get my charisma back?
Got oneitis then got cheated on (I knew it was coming, let it happen anyway bc apathy). Whole process took about a year and a half. That was like 9 months ago and ive only had one fuck since. I had a huge friend circle back then but ive kinda been a hermit and lost contact with them... Kinda dont care at all about losing those people but I dont know any girls any more as a result. I was the goddamn man, now im solo as fuck. The only thing I miss about being a party boy is the women, but now im so out of practice AND so unsocial I feel like a born again virgin. Help?
EDIT: make that two fucks ????
ALSO: Yesterday was the second time deadlifting in probably a year. Why the fuck do the front of my hips feel sore? Is it just bc ive spent so much time sittimg/gaming over the last months that its a normal muscle soreness after not using posture muscles thing? Or did i fuck up?
SetConsumes 9y ago
You never lost it. Let it out.
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Probably sored hip flexors, try to stretch them out at home, look up athlean x on YouTube.
As for doing through dry spell, either lower your standard or find an escort. I believe escorts are helpful to get through your scarcity mentality.
LostLittleBoi 9y ago
Lmao im retarded, I did hip flexor exercises after deadlifting so that explains that. I dont think a hooker is the way to go, its more than "I cant get sex" its "i burned all my bridges and this is a new situation thats shattered my confidence"
VigilantRedRooster 9y ago
I understand this works for some men; personally, I consider it akin to satisfying a desire for regular fishing trips by purchasing salmon fillets at the grocery store.
Like abundance mentality in business: If you're dead, lower prices to get some work in. If you've got more work than you can handle, raise your prices at once!
LostLittleBoi 9y ago
Fantastic analogy there friend, yea the actual sex (or salmon) isnt what Im missing, its knowing I have the competence to go get sex organically that I want back
takethedive 9y ago
What's the best way to correct bad behavior without breaking frame?
Occasionally, I'll see petty displays of bad behavior that don't matter now, but indicate she's testing her limits; if I respond too harshly, I'm met with "Why are you mad? It was just x" or "I can't believe you're so mad about this".
I know I need to DEER, but she's putting me in a frame where her conclusion is that I've lost control. I'm concerned that she's rationalizing it away as me getting angry for no reason.
For reference, I usually say something like "When you do x, it's disrespectful. You know better." I don't feel there's undue aggression attached at all.
Thanks in advance.
hugaddiction 9y ago
if you are keeping it solid and emotionless, then its on her, not you. She is placing emption on it that isn't there. sounds like a girl thing to do.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
This is what happens when you talk about stuff with girls - they enjoy the drama.
Instead try "Don't do that". Then do not discuss it. She responds "Do what, I didn't do anything", and you say nothing. You've made your point.
Other times, start with the saying nothing.
Big infractions: leave without saying a word. This is the most effective way I have ever found to deal with girls. It drives them mental and they are terrified of it - far more than anger or discussions or drama or talking. It's the only thing I've done that makes the girl apologise later.
Ultimately though, you want a girl who doesn't need this level of control to behave decently.
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Man has 3 tools, commitment, affection, and attention. They are given teeth with your SMV.
you aren't using the stick, but removing the carrot.
bigcitytruth 9y ago
The simplest way for me to explain it is to pretend she's a little kid. As in, a 4-year-old.
HumanSockPuppet 9y ago
Your most powerful weapon is indifference.
Imagine you are seeing another girl on the side, one who doesn't do [annoying thing]. You wouldn't even bother to correct this chick's shit, you would just laugh at her ignorance and drift away to the better option.
This girl knows exactly what she's doing wrong (even if she's not conscious of it), because she's testing you. A laugh and a shake of your head is all the punishment you need to administer. She'll either fix herself to win back your approval, or she'll double down on her shit and you eject for good. Win-win.
Shaman6624 9y ago
Excactly the cardinal rule of relationships: the one who cares the least has the power.
harsha_hs 9y ago
Law 9 : Win through your actions, never through argument
Been 2 years with TRP, Its been very long time I argued with someone, let alone girls.
Get abundance, agree and amplify if required, learn to ignore shit which doesn't kill you.
JamesSkepp 9y ago
Withdraw attention.
skylive2 9y ago
This. It's your only weapon.
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Depends what it is, but when in doubt, withdraw commitment and inspire dread. Even if it's a small, almost negligible, gesture of disrespect it can indicate a larger pattern looming beyond the horizon.
I was once at a plate's house and I asked her to hand me the television remote so I could choose a Netflix movie. While I'm fine with letting her choose the movie every now and then, she was disrespectful in the way she denied me. So I gave her one final opportunity to hand me the remote,
And she said, "what will you do if I don't give you this remote?"
I grabbed my shit and I left. She followed me all the way to my car apologizing and I ghosted her for a week. I didn't moralize her, no lectures, no words, I just let her know that my commitment is conditional upon her respect.
Beyond dealing with disrespect after the fact however, you must also ask yourself this:
What did I do to lose her respect? or What did I not do?
In my case, her disrespect came from my failure to set initial boundaries. Because I failed to do this, she took the opportunity to see how far she could push me without consequence. Fortunately I had the wherewithal to walk away instead of going full beta, but the whole thing could have been easily avoided had I taken the initiative set boundaries early in the relationship. It was my fault.
You cannot rely on a woman to correctly assume your boundaries and limitations.
Shit-tests and disrespect are two highly distinguishable concepts. The former is an opportunity to prove your fitness, while the latter is an indication that you are somehow unfit to lead her. Know how to tell the difference and how to respond to each accordingly.
The best way to circumvent disrespect before it happens is by maximizing your own fitness/leadership. The best way to quell disrespect retroactively is by withdrawing your time/affection. Undeniably, the best course of action for dealing with any unworthy woman is ending the relationship altogether.
bigcitytruth 9y ago
Small shit tests should have a response that fits the size of the shit test. For small shit tests, I always dissolve those tests in a fun way while still asserting my dominance. It really does help keep the mood light. Taking the role as a "punisher" for each and every tiny shit test can honestly get exhausting.
In your example, with the remote, I turn it into a game. She says, "What will you do if I don't give you this remote?" I'd say, "This..." and I would turn her around, bend her over my knee and spank her ass. (A fun, firm spanking on her ass, NOT hitting her!!) THWACK! THWACK! "You act like a little girl, I'll spank you like a little girl." THWACK! I've literally done this on many occasions and it turns women into submissive, obedient purring kittens, each and EVERY time. Sometimes they then giggle and hide the remote (or do whatever "bad" thing) on purpose just to get spanked more. Spanking somehow unlocks some sort of primal emotion in her that makes her submit and know who's boss. Maybe it's some sort of Freudian thing about childish emotions about her daddy? I don't know. But it works.
Anyway, while she's over your knee after a few good spanks, that's when you rip the remote from her fingers. She'll try to get it back. "No-no-no-no, you have to promise to be a good girl first." You get the gist how it goes from there .....
Try it man. It works like magic. And it's fun as hell.
takethedive 9y ago
I agree with what you're saying. This is very similar to my pattern. Seeing that your example was so petty, I'll share mine, as it was petty as well and there's a common thread here.
We were in the car, I said "Hey, check out this new track. It's by one of our favourite artists, and it's fantastic. You'll love it." I plugged in my phone, and before the song had even ended, she said "Also, this song's been on my mind a lot lately" and changed the song and blasted it, without even commenting on what I'd wanted to show her.
I looked over and said "That was disrespectful. I wanted to show you something neat. You don't have to like what I like, but you do need to be respectful about it. I don't want to see it happen again."
She said "Are you seriously getting mad over this? It was just a song! You're overreacting."
So I pulled out my earbuds and put them in and put my song back on, and kept driving.
The thing is, I feel that this looks massively butthurt. Similarly with your example, I feel the more Machiavellian move might be to take the initial instance of disrespect in stride, ignore it, and then withdraw commitment and induce dread afterward with no explanation, as while I did the right things in my example I feel like a whiny teenager myself. Dog trainers will say she won't connect the punishment to the cause if it isn't immediately addressed, but maybe there's a seed here? Maybe it'll motivate her to walk on eggshells in future?
I'd welcome your further input.
bigcitytruth 9y ago
See my earlier comment above (a reply about the remote control) about how to treat small shit tests like a confident dude. A small shit test shouldn't rock your frame at all. You're supposed to be a rock.
If your scenario happened to me, I would then find the most ridiculous song, like "I'm Too Sexy" by Right Said Fred, and swap her song for that one. Then she would change it back, then I would put some ridiculous lederhosen-wearing Oktoberfest polka band playing "Ein Prosit". She would say, "Stahhhhhhhhp!" I would say with a HUGE SMILE, "See how it feels? Now be a good girl first, and then I'll let you play your song. [Still smiling...]"
See what I mean? You pointed out she was being bad, while not looking butthurt. She got schooled and found out you won't take her bullshit. And you looked cool/fun in the process. And best of all, you had fun yourself. Everyone wins.
On a side note, women don't give a shit about music. Some 90% of women with good taste in music only got it from listening to the records/playlists of her ex boyfriends. She never discovered that shit herself. The very rare women who actually has natural good taste in music tends to be either nuts or masculine. So that girl you mentioned really doesn't care about your music and never will. Just accept it.
BreathOfDick 9y ago
This comment thread is unreal. You called the other dude's example petty? Both are fucking stupid.
Saying "I don't want to see it happen again" is giving a hell of a lot of power to some harmless gesture she made that really isn't a huge deal. So remove that sentence.
Second, how to respond to her response? Simple - smile and say "woah who said I was mad?" Now you put her reaction on her. And from there you can both just move on like nothing happened. Trust me she'll remember that you didn't like her doing that and she'll try not to again. You don't have to explicitly say "never again!" and then put headphones on like a baby just to get a simple point across
Fulp_Piction 9y ago
It depends what the goal is, if you're trying to show your disapproval so that she changes her behavior you're trying to control her, and you can't control anyone but yourself.
If we really have abundance, are spinning plates and are ourselves in the position to pick up more plates at will, then why would anybody be assed with the effort of Machiavellian games? Just soft next and go fuck some other plate, otherwise you care too much (also solved by... soft next and fuck someone else).
I'm not spinning, and I've thought too much about interactions with one girl because it's easy to get caught up in these games when you don't have abundance in your subconscious mind.
skylive2 9y ago
Might be a bit late, but here's my input.
As soon as she changes tracks stop the car somewhere then look at her like she just insulted your mother - just for a few seconds. Then, slowly, change the track back to the one you wanted and say you're listening to it the whole way through.
This works for three reasons:
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You're justifying/qualifying your music selection to her. Don't give her the sales pitch just play the song and let it vibe. By using your words, you're allowing her to offer some form of counter-argument, and that gives her hamster leverage to say things like:
Now imagine your same scenario but with no speaking -- if you had just started playing the song without giving her the sales pitch. She would have no opening to oppose your choice because you didn't qualify it. You just did it because you're the leader. That immediately deprives her of the power to rebut your choice.
At such a point she would have only two options:
1: Listen to the song you selected
2: Change the song without speaking
In the first case your leadership is still without dispute, and in the second case her disrespect is without dispute. She does not have an opening to justify her behavior because you did not allow one. Women will always, ALWAYS win the "shitty-behavior-justification-game." Do not engage.
This is playing into her frame, and your instinct about that behavior appearing massively butthurt is correct. By doing this you're putting yourself in a box and communicating that you lack the freedom to walk away -- you're communicating that you have a willingness to repress her bullshit and "play music in your own head."
That's what Blue Pill men do. They put their earbuds on in order to deny the blaring reality that's screeching in their faces. Because, when their earbuds are plugged-in, they can at least feign the same sense of freedom and independence that a Red Pill man has by choosing his own song.
The bottom line is this: Your car, your domain, your music. Fuck the earbuds that's denying the problem. Her ass can walk if she wants to disrespect you in your own vehicle. She has plenty of beta orbiters who drool at the idea of picking her up and driving her home anyways, all while singing along to her music...
Give the earbuds to her instead!!
Reflection:
Why did you feel the need to qualify your music choice in the first place?
Luckyluke23 9y ago
man i wish this sub was this good all the time! great posts guys. I LOVE back and forth this good.
Poofysmoof 9y ago
I liked your in depth answer. What about money? My partner works with people who make a lot more money then me. Occasionally this subject comes up. It feels disrespectful when she boast about how much money the guys at her work make. I've tried being silent after this but then it does seem like I'm butt hurt about it. It's not the first or do I think it's the last time.
BreathOfDick 9y ago
"niiiice big bucks"
Acknowledge with zero concern shown
firakti 9y ago
Oneitis. Is there a solid cure for it apart from looong lists of do's and don'ts?
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
PUA used to say GFTOG, go fuck ten other girls.
JvSOUL 9y ago
How might one go about their pursuit of their PURPOSE?
This has been the hardest thing for me in answering this question. Maybe I'm too young (22) to figure it out, but what have the older TRP followers done to figure out their purpose?
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
My latest post
The pursuit of happiness myth which causes unhappiness
Attempts to answer that question. I grew up in the late 1980s and early 1990s when the feel good crap was starting to go mainstream. It was indirectly taught the way to happiness is to avoid problems.
My post states that purpose in life comes from overcoming problems. We attempt to avoid problems to self delude ourselves. The hedonistic lifestyle which is encouraged today actually results in discontent and unhappiness.
http://acrackletsthelightin.info/2017/03/01/The-Persuit-of-Happiness-Myth/
InfiniteAscent 9y ago
You don't have a predetermined purpose. Your function in life is to define yourself and be the best you that you can. Try things, find what interests you, be prepared to fail and try some more. Life is a journey, not a destination. Take satisfaction in a job well done rather than the job itself. This is all a bunch of cliches but they are the ones to counter those people who say to find your purpose to be happy.
The_Tau_Nutrino 9y ago
I'm 23 about to graduate with a BS in Accountancy. I have been struggling trying to decide what I should do after I graduate. There is a lot of pressure to join a public accounting firm and become a CPA. But, I have been trying to start an online business for 2 years and I have 3 other people who are invested in it and believe in me. I also got a job doing cost accounting for a dispensary in my same city so I can continue to use my connections at the local university.
There is a lot of pressure to run out and get the most secure job and career path as soon as you can but I believe if you do that you will miss out on a lot of other qualities essential to life. Right now you have more opportunity than you will ever have, and as each day passes opportunity slips through your fingers like sand.
It is definitely up to you to decide what you want out of life. The sooner you figure this out, the less time you will waste. One day you will be in your 30's thinking about all of the beach parties, vacations, women, and the physique that you COULD HAVE HAD in your 20's.
JvSOUL 9y ago
Thanks for the response, that really helped. I'm currently about to graduate with a Bachelors in Health service Adm while interning at a hospital near by doing testing and data management as a Public Health Advocate. I'm not sure what to do after I graduate but I'm really interested in the Buisness/Technological side of Healthcare. I've been thinking about ideas in creating a Buisness/Website Bases on Healthcare but I'm just having trouble fully visualizing it.
Besides these Career interests, I'm also interested in Traveling (back pack through Europe), taking Directing/Film classes. I'm looking into taking jiu-jitsu/self-defense classes for my health/body but It's expensive, I may just get a Crunch gym membership and start lifting. I feel as though I'm all over the place when I really need to prioritize because on top of all this I would like to Move out either by myself or with a roommate in a year.
The_Tau_Nutrino 9y ago
I think a lot of people are like that, especially in the 21-25 range. It's easy to envision wanting to do MMA, lift, creating websites, starting businesses, traveling, and holding down a job. In reality, you'll have to work up to all of that by incrementally introducing more things into your schedule. Prioritize the roof over your head, make sure you've got a job held down to pay the bills. Your cash flow should be the base of your schedule, and then you can add gym, mma, etc.
Never underestimate hard work, but patience is just as key. If you get too ambitious and try to take on every goal at once you will be like a sponge shooting energy in every direction without any true guidance. This can cause a lot of frustration because you may find yourself expending major energy without any solid results. This is because of a lack of focus.
It is better to direct your focus and shoot your energy at one target at a time. Focusing is what pierces the front line in battle; like the point of a needle pierces thread. Focusing on one thing at a time means you have to alternate through time to hit all of your targets. Which means, it takes time. Don't be discouraged because you don't see results right away. Stay patient and focus.
It is the patience that devotes you to the task at hand knowing there are many other things on your plate to deal with. It is patience that sets aside the time for you to focus on and execute your goals. Without patience, you cannot focus because you will try to execute on everything at once. This is impossible because of the scarcity of time, and will likely leave you feeling overwhelmed.
"You don't have to see the whole stair case to take the first step."
ChadThundercockII 9y ago
How can one shut the fuck up in order not to lose value?
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ChadThundercockII 9y ago
I often feel like I say things I shouldn't say or should keep to myself. things about myself, things I do, or thoughts I have. I am thinking that I should shut up more, listen more and be selective with my words.
MrBellsprout123 9y ago
What is the best way to have children. To be more specific, how to you craft the social environment that will allow you as a man, to do your job as a protector, and raise a happy healthy child. While simultaneously not enslaving your self to the divorce courts?
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Get an iron clad prenup with the best divorce lawyer in town. She needs to k ow that if she fucks it up, she will lose her lifestyle as well as child.
0xdada 9y ago
Best version I heard of this was adopt a stoic worldview, leave your door open to them and become the sort of man your kids will want to find their way back to.
So long as she takes your money, she is not free. You don't have control over how she feels, but you can make yourself happier than she can ever be, especially as she is dependent on you for her welfare.
randomperson123321 9y ago
Be socially, psychosomatically and financially stable. Lead the kids and the wife by example.
If the woman is of high value and feels that herself and the kids are taken care of, you'll be safe. She will have no reason to harm you.
Low value women are never satisfied and if you end up with one, she will end up divorce-raping you in the end.
Jakei34 9y ago
Something I have been contemplating a lot recently.
When going out to social gatherings. Think parades and stuff.
Who here thinks it better to go alone or think it better to be with people you know?
When I am alone I am more calm and centered.
With people I am wild and unpredictable.
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
Instead of wasting your time contemplating these questions, just go out and try both.
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I guess that it depends on where you live. For example, in my country literally nobody comes to social gatherings alone. Everyone comes with their friends, and most of the time hangs out only with those several friends. Of course, if there are acquaintances, social circles connect, but again, most of the time people only talk to/do stuff with people they came with. If you came alone, you'd most likely be the guy who watches TV and awkwardly pets the cat the entire time. That's why people who don't have any of their friends available at that time completely refrain from going out to social gathering. This applies both for men and women.
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Fulp_Piction 9y ago
To senior members; is there ever a point when you fully internalise this info? E.g. Yesterday, a group of girls say something blatantly red pill in my presence, I'm like "fuck, I forgot, AWALT". Is it a circle of I've got this shit figured out, oh shit no I don't, rinse, repeat?
UncleverThrowaway4DT 9y ago
A bit meta: Are you all able to search within the sub? When I try, no matter the query, I just get links to other subreddits.
Subtletorious 9y ago
On the desktop version there is a checkbox below the search field. Click that sucker before searching.
hbPUA 9y ago
Do you flirt and fuck girls in the gym?
Any other places besides work that you don't approach girls?
Or do you limit yourself to day game, bars, and social circles?
work10306 9y ago
ELI5 What AWALT is? (Long time lurker)
Mister_Deus 9y ago
As a long time lurker you should have experienced this in the sidebar. Start today. That's where the fundamentals can be found, and learned.
franmonkey 9y ago
Come on dude there's a glossary on the side bar
takethedive 9y ago
AWALT stands for All Women Are Like That. Head to The Rational Male blog and read up on Rollo's posts on "Hypergamy" to get a more in depth idea.
When we say "AWALT", what we mean is that blue pill men have a delusion that they've been with the "wrong girl" or "the slutty girl" and that they need to find a "good girl" to love unconditionally with their defenseless blue pill concept of love. This is fundamentally wrong.
When we remind someone of AWALT, it is to remind them that every single woman is capable of Hypergamy (branch swinging from you to what she perceives as a better option), without exception. Everyone.
There are no good or bad girls. There's just the factors you can't control (low partner count, relationship history, mental stability), which you consider when selecting a mate, and the ones you can control (setting boundaries, teaching good behavior, correcting bad, and increasing your Sexual Market Value so she continues to perceive you as the best she'll ever get, and her Hypergamy is temporarily negated)
But you'll never be THE best. There's always Tom Cruise. So remember: she's not yours, it's just your turn. Every woman will leave presented with the right circumstances.
AWALT.
work10306 9y ago
I've read about the concepts but never knew the acronym meaning. That's quite the slap of reality the remainder of a blue pill frame in me needed, thanks.
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Given a chance, a woman will cheat on you with someone she perceives as higher value. AWALT
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Subtletorious 9y ago
Your gut instinct is telling you something is wrong, either with her or with the dynamics of the relationship. In the end, it doesn't really matter what the problem is, move on.
ColdVait 9y ago
When and where can i approach women? I have good social skills however I don't like approaching other people in the mall or bus, etc. because I don't like beeing approached in those places.
practicepricipleprep 9y ago
Other than Trump and the Brexit Team, who are modern ALPHA male political figures ? (Years: 1850-2017)
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There isn't a single tribe anymore. There are unlimited tribes, on multiple social groups.
The alpha at the bar is a beta at work, to the alpha at work, who is the beta at the gym.
Same for the political figures. Not that it matters.
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randomperson123321 9y ago
Kennedy was, so are Obama, Schwarzenegger and Putin amongst others.
Trump fakes it.
trpgeorge 9y ago
Trump lives it everyday, he is the embodiment of it. You think anyone else can get away with "grab her by the P***y" other than Dan bilzarian.. not a politician of course.
ChadThundercockII 9y ago
You can't fake it when you have already made it... in real estate... in NYC!
Rando9937 9y ago
His dad wasn't faking it, you're right.
randomperson123321 9y ago
Actually, Fred seems legit. The combination and relation of his posture, frame, wealth, behavior, actions, etc, all seem to come out naturally and with strong fundamentals.
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bsutansalt 9y ago
Life operates on a bell curve. Imagine a line and a curve in the middle. One one end are women who are naturally going to be attracted to you and on the other end women who no matter what you do are just not going to be attracted. Perhaps they have genes that scream "family" so they're instinctively turned off. Perhaps they're hardcore man-hating lesbians? It doesn't matter. The point is that in the middle are women who are currently indifferent and can be flipped to being interested with tight game.
Now ignore all of that and focus on the women who are already attracted to you. Screen for those women and IMPROVE yourself so that the number of women who are naturally attracted to you is maximized as best as you can possibly make it. THAT is what naturals do. They don't go out and try to win women over, they go out and flirt to find women who are into them from the get go.
This is where a lot of "PUAs" fail. They focus on chasing hotties who are indifferent in hopes of flipping them, waste inordinate amounts of time, when they should be maximizing the amount of women who are naturally into them and then screening for them instead.
There's nothing wrong with working to flip ones that are indifferent, but there's just something to be said about women who are a natural fit and don't require all that work to make interested. That being said...
A lot of those indifferent women in the middle of the bell curve won't actually require a lot of work if they're closer to the end of spectrum of being interested.
Lastly, never underestimate the impact logistics and life can have. A woman who 364 days out of the year would be interested in you and you happen upon her that 1 day, perhaps her dog or a family member died, and you come along and it just falls flat. It happens. Don't take rejection personally and realize it's not you, it's them. If EVERYONE is rejecting you, well then maybe it is you and you need to fix some things, but that's often not the case unless you're seriously Asperger's, completely socially retarded, or physically repulsive. Most guys fall somewhere in the middle of "average" though, and that is who this advice is geared towards.
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bsutansalt 9y ago
Good game will let you punch above your weight by about 1 point. If you have EXPERT level game and are just smooth as fuck, it'll still only get you 2 points. In other words you need to be a solid 8 with impeccable game to get 10s on the regular. You could always luck into one, but those are flukes. We're talking about what you get on the regular, aka what's "in your league".
And if you really were an 8+, you likely wouldn't be here or in the PUA community as you'd have grown up with a steady stream of women to begin with. Just the way it works. Granted exceptions do occur, such as late bloomers for example.
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Why do you think TRP advocates lifting first and foremost?
Women are initially attracted to real men with muscles, not fatasses or twigs, and the best way to achieve that type of body is through dedicated lifting in the gym.
Once you've hit the gym long enough, you'll start to see gains in muscle, and your sexual value to females will also begin to increase.
At that point, it's all about increasing your perceived social value so that you can maintain the initial attraction through a show of your social status and value as a sexual partner.
blackedoutfast 9y ago
you are kinda on the right track thinking that the initial assessment is based on your physical appearance but you're missing a big part of it.
there is a high threshold where if you are a tall, ripped, extremely handsome guy (like a male underwear model) the girl will be DTF based on entirely on your physical appearance and you don't really need game beyond not fucking it up.
there's also a lower limit and if you're uglier than that, the girl just won't be sexually attracted to you regardless of how much game or status you have.
the mistake you're making is thinking that the upper and lower limits are the same, and that it's a binary hot enough to fuck or not hot enough. guys see a girl and she's either fuckable or not-fuckable. that is not true at all for girls looking at guys. there is a huge gap between the upper and lower limit. i don't want to use numbers bc i know you guys will want to sperg out and make this into a math problem, but to simplify things: on a 1-10 scale* the upper limit (definitely fuckable no matter what) is going to be like 9 and the lower limit (absolutely unfuckable no matter what) will be like 3. and the majority of normal guys fall somewhere in between these two limits.
if a girl's initial assessment of your physical appearance places you in that in-between zone, that's when game, status, social competence and all that stuff starts to matter. if a girl sees you as a 7, you're going to need some decent game to fuck her. but if you're a 4 and just barely above the unfuckable line, you will need to have some incredible game. but it is possible.
*girls are much more arbitrary about ranking and judging physical appearance than guys. one girl might see you as a 5, another girl might see you as a 7, and a third girl might see you as a 9. never assume how a particular girl is going to rate your physical appearance.
also it's all subconscious, they're NOT actually saying to themselves "ooh that guy's an 8, he only needs a little good game to be fuckable"
ryeprotagonist 9y ago
An almost irrational level of self confidence (fake it till you make it) will do for you just fine.
You aren't just The Prize, bro... you're The Stanley Cup, The Lombardi Trophy, The Ballon D'Or!
RedditAdminsSuck_88 9y ago
Mostly true. Attraction isn't all based on looks though. That's how it is for women as the only thing that factors their SMV is their looks. Men have more inputs into the equation. Looks is a big one but so is status and to a lesser extent confidence.
Most men haven't maxed out their looks though. They are still skinny fat with little muscle mass, poor facial aesthetics, poor wardrobe, poor hairstyle, and so on. You'd be surprised at how simply lifting and maintaining a lean physique can improve your looks, on top of dressing well and having a neat hairstyle.
JamesSkepp 9y ago
Game > looks.
I've seen it bazillion times. A LOT of hot guys have only looks going for them and this results in them blowing themselves out sooner rather than later.
You should not be afraid of competition form hot guys, you should be afraid of competition from the guys that have serious game.
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
Except for height and a square jaw, there isn't a universal correlation to what women consider good looking.
This statement is 100% incorrect. Women instinctively know they increase the value of their product by pretending they are not interested. A good salesman always approaches but cuts his losses early.
Meat-on-the-table 9y ago
I understand what you're saying, but you probably have confirmation bias working against you here.
As a good looking man, I'll tell you it's great and really makes things easy. But I've seen men who would never get noticed over me charm and flirt with a girl to the point where her interest was piqued and they could pick her up.
The point of TRP is to ensure that: 1)You don't screw it up if she's already attracted 2) If she's not attracted just by looks, your attitude would win her over.
Women almost never know what they want until and unless they're shown it. Case in point: the number of women who proclaim they don't like muscles until a jacked guy who has game approaches them and they're all over his triceps in a matter of minutes.
You're likely taking what women say at face value, which is the path to a lot of problems, because it disregards the fundamentals of what makes women tick. Women are beings of emotion, and they give those emotions to the man who can show the dual ability to incite them and not need them.
Cold approach more. You'll see the difference.
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Which is why I've sworn off online dating before I ever really tried.
We_Are_Legion 9y ago
To you, I would recommend The book of Pook.
Seriously, the only reason you have this question is because of your poor mindsets, which the Pook will mend.
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Link to said book: https://archive.is/6oskh.
Wing3dHussars 9y ago
W. Anton and his "What women want and how to give it to them" is another great option as far as I know.
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InfiniteAscent 9y ago
Do people really think Donald Trump is a great looking man? I think he pulls women a few notches above himself in looks. Perceived power and status go a long way.
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 9y ago
Knew a dude that literally looked like an alien. Pulled ass with all the popular chicks in high school because he gave 0 fucks. Its called animal magnetism, charisma, "it", swag, whatever. It hits em in the hindbrain
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Married a supermodel, been in playboy
Find me another 70 year old man who can claim this.
redditaccountyep 9y ago
Back in the day he was a good looking guy. Him and his sons are weak 7's? Really not sure how to rate them. But trump was a young entrepreneur in NYC with tons of money. Im sure women were throwing themselves at him in his earlier days.
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
Best example of this is artists and writers, usually they are broke, drug addicted, abusive and mentally unstable. But it is the perceived status and power that attracts women.
Hemingway is a case in point.
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Managing plates question - I have an event on Saturday with some female friends that know me and the newest, hottest plate I'm currently spinning. I tried to invite said plate to come but she has to work. Should I invite another of my two plates (albeit a less hot one) to come and risk the girls gossiping over it? Should I go alone and hit on other, potentially hotter girls while I'm there? Or should I just go monk mode for this Saturday to avoid the fallout? All my friends know I'm NOT in a LTR but girls are girls and will talk...
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learn and read everything, apply it when it comes up.
If you're still not finding applicability, your life is too shallow, or your reading too light
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dRePe_Thill 9y ago
Top recommended book(s) for meditation and being stoic?
WhorehouseVet 9y ago
Meditation by Marcus Aurelius.
0xdada 9y ago
Epictetus' Discourses and his Manual. Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics
Fungions 9y ago
New to TRP, got my first woman this past weekend. Just out of curiosity, how do you all go about getting your women? Opening lines, etc?
Mangome 9y ago
Study religion/go to church or is it a waste of time?
I am agnostic but going to a bible study group once a week, and I found many good human relation knowledge from the bible, some align well with redpill.
rubenescaray 9y ago
I'm an atheist and I say... It depends.
If reading the Bible does you good, do it, if it bores you, don't do it.
If you find what's written in it truthful, do it... If you don't, don't waste your time.
practicepricipleprep 9y ago
" Jesus said: and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” - John 8:32 .... reading the Bible is worth-it. Also, I recommend apologetics sites like William Lane Craig, as well as Gotquestions.org (yes, that is a real website name) .
I hope and believe this helps !
RedditAdminsSuck_88 9y ago
I go to church every Sunday. Read Bible daily.
Religion gets a bad rap around here(because its reddit, home of a lot of militant atheists with a FUCK YOU MOM AND DAD, YOU CANT MAKE ME GO TO CHURCH mentality). In my opinion the Bible is very red pill, its just been twisted and manipulated by blue pilled churches and pastors.
The Bible is a net gain in my opinion from a red pill perspective. More good lessons than bad.
Auvergnat 9y ago
Bible is ancient therefore traditional on relationships. This is what seems "red pill". The truth is that all scriptures are red pill in that way (islam, Buddhism...).
The discrepancy between Christianity and red pill is that the human behaviours we talk about derive from evolutionary psychology. So that if your faith prevents you to accept evolution, it's more difficult to get a theoretical understanding of why humans behave in such or such way.
But then this doesn't prevent applying it. See dalrock blog for christian red pills.
All in all, comparing good relationship models inspiration vs lack of theoretical understanding, I see followers of the bible as a net gain too. And saying this as a lifelong atheist.
Radinax 9y ago
Could you expand more on the part where the Bible is very red pill? And how it has been manipulated by churches?
AnonymousAndLovinIt 9y ago
That's actually interesting. I'm heavily interested in religion/philosophy and thought it would never accepted on TRP.
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TheRedWay 9y ago
To me this seems like a repeat of the askTRP forum we already have. Is there an advantage to having this thread here?
practicepricipleprep 9y ago
The singular thread is more centralized and free-flowing than the askTRP sub-reddit. (The only trade-off is the organization of the content.)
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RedditAdminsSuck_88 9y ago
Stop feeling sorry for yourself and max out your SMV.
What does your deadlift look like these days?
What is your body fat %?
Once you have taken yourself as far as you can go, then you can gauge yourself. But that's all you do - gauge yourself. It's still up to the woman to reject you - don't self-reject yourself. Even if you are a 6, so what? Approach the 8s and 9s and 10s anyway. What do you have to lose?
dr_warlock 9y ago
By definition, most guys won't be banging 8's and 9's, including people here. Gonna have to pay for that. The idea is to do the best with what you got to be the best that you can be, then find a girl that digs it. If 6's are all that you can manage, be the best 6-nigga ever.
Lsegundo 9y ago
are you attracted to the women your with? Never stop improving yourself.
All this talk about 8s and 9s around here is counter productive. Getting 9s would be great. My goal is to have more opportunities with better women and get in edge in the ridiculous game called modern dating. It is already starting to work. I have adventures and stories that I would not have had pre red pill. TRP shows you what women are really after and how to be the guy they crave.
rubenescaray 9y ago
If you're above 5' 10 and below 12% in body fat, you can shag any girl you want.
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Subtletorious 9y ago
Being "good with girls" and banging 9's are two different questions, grasshopper.
No woman owes you anything. They are running their own strategies for their own reasons. If you want to bang a "9" you need to bring what she is looking for.
Self-acceptance and self-awareness are key elements of inner game. So in answer to your question, biology don't give two shits about your fantasy.
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take Bilzerian pre-beard and HGH*steroids upper body. Do you think he was anything more than a 6? If you're objectively a 6, think of the huge amount of 3s. You're better than 70%? Strive to be better than the 80%. Then 90%. Small steps. Improve your life, then if you do you'll get to endure the shallow 8+, don't worry about it
beta_no_mo 9y ago
Please do. Leaves more for the rest of us who know that we're the prize.
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40_SixandTwo 9y ago
I'll be spending most of my summer in Japan and China this year. I'm American, 6'2", white, square handsome face, slit eyes, dark hair, skinny with muscle. What should I do to make the most of it in terms of sexual strategy over there?
When I go out to clubs in the major cities should I roll out in a suit and look like some wealthy American CEO? How many of you cats have been to those countries and what did you do to maximize your experience there?
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In japan, just being white is good enough. head over to korea if you want to really stand out. Avoid Busan/Pusan, they are pretty anti american, because soldiers keep raping chicks on the subway, and they got a bad taste in their mouth.
As for suits, there's a tradition in Jpn, get shitfaced, pass out in a gutter, and never speak of it again. I've had friends pass out in Tokyo bars, in the morn, they brought them coffee.
Just be good with the cultures. But honestly, you'll easily mesh with Korea first.
40_SixandTwo 9y ago
I'll keep that in mind. Unfortunately I won't be going to Korea for the time I'm there. I'll be in Japan and China only.
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I found Japaneese women were not as approachable, cultural differences, I understand they are not very forward at all.
Used to be a poster here who went to japan for a while, he may know.
My only input would be to find expats.
40_SixandTwo 9y ago
Did you typo and mean experts at the end there? I'll do some searching through the Subreddit to see if I can find any of his posts.
pokerplay3r 9y ago
He meant expats, short for expatriate. Foreigner living abroad, typically American.
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SetConsumes 9y ago
You shouldn't have issues if you're at all masculine.
I'd roll with my own style, it empowers me. I'd feel out of place wearing things that aren't me.
Maybe if your game sucks I guess, but then fixing that problem is a far better solution.
40_SixandTwo 9y ago
Thanks, man. Suit is almost always my style. I wear one a lot. So no issue using one. I wasn't sure what the club scene is like there.
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If you fake being a CEO, girls here (China at least) will smell it from a mile away and tell all their friends. Businesses here are super interconnected, everybody knows everybody, and if you don't know anyone, she'll know you're not a CEO.
If you want to fake rich, fake that you're "old money rich from America" because she would have no way of knowing. You will have to have the funds to pull this off though - some girls will literally walk out if you try to make them pay for things or give any indication of being not-rich. It's face-saving culture and it's retarded.
Suits are a very new-money look and she will want to know where that's from. She will ask blatant questions to find out. There are no boundaries about that here. If you have a "just came from work as a busy investment banker" look, chicks will eat that shit up, even if you're just junior level and don't make much now, they will see the long term investment as worthwhile.
40_SixandTwo 9y ago
I see. I'll rephrase that, I don't mean lie and tell everyone I'm a CEO, I mean should I go out in a suit? Its what I feel confident in, or is that over kill for that part of the world? Especially since it'll be blatantly obvious I'm American.
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I can't speak about Japan as I've never been there, but here in China, "clubs" are huge foreigner sausage-fests. Only a few local girls go, and the ones that do are looking for foreigners, which they find in spades. No one is in a suit except for the odd rich old Chinese guy. You will stand out if you do, and if that appeals to you, then own it. If you're looking for local girls and not into competing with foreigners for foreigners, find some local friends and go to their events or set up your own. There's also always TanTan (Chinese Tinder) where you will pull HUGE amounts with your looks, but your language skills better be decent enough to sound witty in order to set up any kind of dates. Good luck!
40_SixandTwo 9y ago
Thanks for the advice! I appreciate it.
trpgeorge 9y ago
I've been out in a suit, many times. But you have to judge the situation. If you're surrounded with friends in suits its makes it less intimidating to anyone you're approaching. Or if its an upscale environment a suit is good to go.
If you're at a dive bar or similar where people are out in shorts and a tee, obviously a suit will stand out and people will think wth. You may even feel a little out of place (talking from personal experience, yours may be different) You'd prob want to lose the tie, maybe even the jacket in these situations/environments.
On the opposite spectrum, New years eve, Suits are your go-to. Girls love ties, even love pulling you in while you're dancing by your tie. Something about ties just get girls going. Maybe its cause they cant wear them.. idk
Conclusion: Assess your environment and the places you visit. Dress better than most but dont overkill it, you shouldnt look like you tried too hard since confidence should come from within. If a suit is what gives you confidence, by all means wear a suit to bed if thats what tickles your fancy! lol
40_SixandTwo 9y ago
You're right about women love ties. I was at a friend's wedding over the summer and there was a chick there I started dancing with and she kept grabbing my tie and playing with the knot.
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Summer in Japan is hot as balls. You might want to wear something that doesn't transform you into a smelly ball of misery, as long as you have that option.
If you are in the usual working-age class, wearing a suit is completly fine. On weekends people tend to dress more casual, but on workdays a suit is essentially the work dress for everyone. Going out in the evening in a suit is nothing out of the ordinary, since many people go party after work and can't commute 2 hours back home just to change.
There are "gaijin hunter" bars, girls actively hunting for foreigners. Good for getting laid, otherwise...sketchy.
If you don't speak Japanese, meeting girls might be hard though. Cultural is different and people are scared to speak English.
In the end, being white will score you enough points to have girls flock to you. It's just a question of being around long enough to be noticed and understanding how to get into a conversation.
40_SixandTwo 9y ago
I understand. I definitely won't be able to learn fluent Japanese from now til then. I bought a few books and I can probably figure a few things out to get by before I go. The common consensus I've been told is that if I'm White and American that's enough to be top shelf over there.
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The American thing is actually not thaaaat cool. White, tall, muscular and manly is.
The cultural barrier is huge though. You need to figure that out or you will not score well. Otherwise...yeah, top shelf.
PissedPajamas 9y ago
Does masturbation affect social skills? Or is it all in your head?
Another unrelated but slightly TRP related question: what are your reactions to stimulant based thermogenics? I'm getting lots of anxiety from Ephedra and it's impactin my social skills. Should I stick with it till I'm shredded or not? What would you do?
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Yeah, it makes your voice halted in between strokes
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In my personal experience masturbation does affect motivation in general so I'm less likely to engage and talk with people.
Stop using Ephedra. If you take into account benefits vs. risk it's not worth it. You'll not be shredded by the pill, but by negative caloric intake and lifting heavy weights. Most thermogenics are BS.
PissedPajamas 9y ago
I use EC to suppress appetite, not for thermos effects but yea you're right the cons outweigh the pros
goldenjung 9y ago
Been living in a new country as a student for a while now. Things are good and I'm doing well on many fronts. I've always been self-focused and not much of a sexual guy- little to no experience with women, etc. However, girls have been showing great interest in me for some reason and my social proof is currently through the roof as a result.
With the exception of sex (I can get it easily should I want to), one classmate has been giving me the whole 'girlfriend experience'. I even stayed with her family and shit (remember I'm practically a foreigner, so I can get away with some things). She's my age, a bit of a Plain Jane and seems pretty inexperienced as well (rare but good thing in this day and age, I could be wrong though).
Now, though it's not in my nature to pursue any kind of relationship with women, I've been trying to get out of my comfort zone and accumulate new experiences and whatnot. Considering that I don't feel strongly about this girl (no risk of oneitis) and that I stand to benefit in more than one way without sacrificing much, do you think I should go for it? I guess what I'm trying to say is, should I make her my practice gf?
My bet is she'd be definitely down but the only problem is that we have some classes together a few days a week, so I'm not sure if it'd make things awkward, especially that it's a pretty small class. Can this also be a case of 'shitting where I eat' since I might end up staying longer in this country/school for work?
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No one needs a "practice girlfriend" - if you're into her, go for it. If you're not, keep her as a friend. Young women in some foreign countries are NOT into guys if they have a visible girlfriend already, but you can still spin plates without causing damage. Don't ruin your social proof for something you're not into. If you ever meet a plate's parents, she will use that as proof that you're actually in a LTR rather than a "casual thing" and force you to decide, so it sounds like that option is already out for you.
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bossplayaintraining 9y ago
I've been told a lot on this forum lately that what's holding me back from success with women (& people in general) is my demeanour, body language, attitude, & behaviour.
What type of demeanour/attitude/behaviour/body language should I use to be more successful with women (and people in general)? I want to go from a people-repellant to a people-attractor.
It's like I can't convey my positive traits properly.
P.S. I have asperger's.
practicepricipleprep 9y ago
Two words that will serve you very well in answering your question. Above all, masculine body language consists of and conveys: Powerful Stillness.
... be rock-solid.
bossplayaintraining 9y ago
True, but I always seem to be missing the ''power'' element. How can I convey it?
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Suffercure 9y ago
I wrote an entire post ranting about my life, but that's not gonna do shit. Actual question this time. How long do I need to keep going to the gym to get ripped? Currently been going to it for a month, 5 times a week. And also what's the use of Nofap?
HoffAmazing 9y ago
I would remove a timeline and just realize that this is now your life. If you put a timeline to it you will lose out on what you are looking to get out of it. Going to the gym is alpha, the action of it is difficult for many men. The fact is we were set up to be hunter and gatherers and due to evolution of society the body's workout has changed. So instead of you and me walking for hours to hunt with the adrenaline released from the kill and the workout required to get there and haul it back, we are now forced into the gym. If you do not go to the gym your emotions will bottle up since you are not using that adrenaline and it can form into anxiety or depression or both. So realize you have no choice now but to go to the gym and keep looking to improve yourself with new goals once the old one is achieved.
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Pick discrete goals. .5lb of fat a week, .2lb of muscle a week.
You'll never be big enough, never be lean enough, so stop looking for an end.
And the purpose of nofap is to avoid the pain of becoming a eunuch through surgery, and willing it instead
DonaldBaelish 9y ago
One month in? About 17 months left. And that is me being optimistic.
tlk6357 9y ago
I would say if you're new to the gym, you'll notice a difference about 3 months in, and other people will start noticing a difference about 6 months in. This also is heavily dependant on your diet. Check out RP strength (https://renaissanceperiodization.com/) for some good diet plans that are easy to follow/understand. Looking ripped comes from having a low body fat %. Hope that helps.
BreathOfDick 9y ago
To get ripped, you don't. I mean sure you need to build SOME muscle, but getting ripped is 95% diet, all about low body fat.
NihilistMonkey 9y ago
Depends on where you're starting and how dedicated you are. It took me 18 months gym/cardio to get here, dieting during the last 6 months as well. Personally I think nofap is retarded but some people seem to think it helps. Sounds like it's mainly for people who have a porn addiction and need to go cold turkey. Lot of bro science behind it.
Wing3dHussars 9y ago
Some people think NoFap makes you more dauntless and reckless when you're with women because of the semem retention and if you don't fap all that sexual drive is directed to girls so it will, as stated before, make you more whilling to approach to girls. Personally, don't do NoFap unless you really have approach anxiety.
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Mackland 9y ago
Can someone link me to the study that shows women with a higher n count increases the likelihood she will divorce? I've been searching for it, but can't seem to find the post that it's in or the study itself.
Docbear64 9y ago
There is a post about 1 year old called "Women with premarital sexual partners and those that have cohabited with men before marriage are not relationship material" By Aerobus that references several studies .
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DonaldBaelish 9y ago
Here you go.
The main reason why this happens is because women who had too many dicks inside them find it difficult to form a lasting emotional bond with a man.
AnonymousAndLovinIt 9y ago
Thank you.
Wish there was a sticky with a list of relavent studies to TRP.
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I'd like to piggyback on it; the last time I read such a thing the Redditor was saying that on the other hand a man with a high n-count has the same divorce likelihood than a virgin, roughly speaking. Any source for it?
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InfiniteAscent 9y ago
Narcissism vs solipsism. The term solipsism still bothers me, the notion that they only believe in the existence of their own mind and no others. That seems extreme, to me it seems narcissism fits better and is more believable. Am I missing something? Does the distinction really matter? If so, how about a specific example to clarify this distinction.
SetConsumes 9y ago
Think of female solipsism more as she is always self centered, not only her mind exists.
So if your coworker asks if you're up for lunch and you say Nah sorry, she'll wonder if it's because of something she did even though you just didn't feel like going out to eat today, and made no indication that it was because of her.
Narcissism is based on someone's ego, most women have tiny egos really. They believe a few things, but a large ego requires a lot of strong beliefs, which few women have. Part of why they tend to not really care about anything that doesn't directly affect them, little to no ego gives little to no care.
Instead of narcissistic its more accurate to simply see women as survival oriented and practical, they're worrying about that first which makes it seem narcissistic.
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InfiniteAscent 9y ago
Oh that makes me laugh because I can think of a time when that may have happened. I was telling a moderately graphic sex story to a woman and she much later seemed to think I wanted to fuck HER. In fact she couldn't seem to escape that belief even though I addressed its falsehood directly.
OTOH the distancing themselves from a generalization seems a bit weak, but I will try it anyway and take note.
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