I mean literally, not in an abstract way. No offense but these forums are dead, only like a few dozen active members, compared to what TRP sub on reddit used to be at its peak. Is there any big red pill online community today?
It seems like what happens whenever the US topples another nations government, and creates a power vacuum, where different factions and insurgency groups emerge with different values and ideals, fighting for power.
After TRP was quarantined, and many of the RP subs were banned, it seems like all TRP communities splintered and started congregating under RP personalities. TRP is bigger than ever, you could even say its somewhat mainstream, but there isn't one place for TRP, instead there's Fresh and Fit and their community, theres Rollo and his community, different accounts on X, different tik tok channels and their communities, theres the Tates and their community (even though they aren't really RP and shit on TRP), I even see many non RP personalities have started preaching TRP concepts.
Do you think TRP's growth when it comes to developing the theory and concepts has stagnated because of this, since there isn't a more centralized forum of discussion anymore? Like I see a lot of the different TRP personalities have different ideals and theories that contradict each other.
adam-l Moderator 18h ago
A specific point:
The next big battle, imo, will be (or, already is) against re-emerging traditionalism. It's what ol' @Whisper has been saying, about traditionalism being all nice and smiley while holding a big, rusty, ugly knife behind its back.
It's the old school that has a memory of how fucked up the traditionalist set up was - and I'm afraid some of them might be already forgetting.
The female sexual strategy is a two-headed monster, focus too much on one head, get eaten up by the other.
First-light 15h ago
I think that was a good thought. Traditionalism was not all roses. A revolution was due but it came right after 2 massive world wars that had not profited the winners much and had cost some of them dearly. It was easy to say "Peace and love and freedom" but to make something of it was harder especially when the wars and the collapse of imperialism (induced by economics mostly) had made manly virtues seem hollow.
The wrong side won the revolution. We don't want what they spawned but we also don't want the small mindedness of a traditionalism that had never evolved. In seeking the answers we need to look to a positive future, based in the self evident truths of the past, not in the mythology of the past that some people are creating.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 8h ago
Saying when and where? I thought he checked out around 2 years ago unfortunately.
adam-l Moderator 7h ago
Yes... He set sail for a writer's career afaik
redhawkes 2 4h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/kdxhf6/what_some_of_you_clowns_are_actually_mad_about/gg0h49y/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/uvhzjo/age_demographics_of_failing_societies/i9ruq0m/
redhawkes 2 4h ago
All of these retards just recycle and cherry pick TRP tenets, then monetize and sell it to blooptards. Always be reading the OG stuff. TRP will never be mainstream. In 2017, classic divide and conquer strategy was implemented and many of the posters tried to have their share of "lost boys" to "coach" and money juice.
Original thinkers group up, create something new and clever. This attracts more and more people. Some drink the koolaid, some just want to come mock and try tear it down. As interest grows, the ratio of originals to newbies flops. New blood in, the old blood either has obtained all it wants from the community, or gets fed up with the incessant screeching noise and leaves. Further information dilution. Value leaching. More noise from noobs, less signal from OG's, both from attrition and the fact that at some point, it's all been said before. Mods change to represent the new community norms, becoming more accepting of noobs shitting up the place. Without OG and vigilant mods, it becomes a blind leading the blind scenario.
It's all been said before. If you go through the archives, if the community has grown, if you are informed and erudite, you can pull out a post from years ago that answers every question posed here. Different analogies, different teaching strategies, sure, but at some point the flow of new information ceases.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 1d ago
Rian Stone is one conspicuous example of old guard TRP personalities, who from atop a veritable mountain of content he produced, has lately been saying, he's said all he can say on the topic of Red Pill.
Personally, I still feel the same drive I always have, that young men stand perennially disadvantaged in the sexual marketplace and the eyes of the law. I too have offered much and see importance in new figures rising to carry our torch forward.
This isn't a cynical position but a grateful one. The Overton window didn't passively shift, WE helped move it! Red pilled ideas and theories that were considered radical and even heretical 10 years ago during our early years, now get routinely voiced even in relatively mainstream places.
There still exists an evergreen market for keeping mainstream culture on track, to not allow it to slip towards default female primacy beyond basic physical protection. This is going to feel less urgent and dramatic as back in the early days. It's as natural an evolution as the Matrix movie franchise not hitting the same on its fourth installment, as the first movie did in the time of its release.
HighBodyCountVirgin 1d ago
From what I've seen theres two schools of thought when it comes to moving the overton window.
I think if you're in the second camp, you can't ever say that everything has already been said, that all the info is already out there, and leave it in one corner of the internet for the chosen few to stumble upon. And thats because the blue pill narrative hasn't stopped being pushed either, its continuously being pushed, and its evolving.
New generations are walking into the world of dating everyday, and they all grew up being fed the blue pilled slop from mainstream media, in order to get through to them we need to continuously be regurgitating red pill concepts on platforms to get through to them, thats how many TRP theories have penetrated mainstream spaces today.
And lets face it, as TRP becomes more mainstream, it will get more push back, because its a threat to the established order. Theres an arms race of ideas, and the only way to keep the overton window from shifting back is to keep fighting. Women are becoming more aware of red pill ideas, and they're actively trying to come up with counter measures. Like idk if you're aware of the recent phenomenon where now women have groups (Are We Dating the Same Guy) on FB or other social media, and apps (Tea app), where women talk about their dating experiences with specific men in their city, its become a cesspool of false accusations and slander to ruin men's reputation.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 1d ago
Not recent or innovative at all actually. Just a factor in the playing field.
You missed a very important detail there. Addressing old guard TRP guys winding down and moving on from the space, i said that Rian represents one who has lately been saying that HE finds that HE has already said pretty much everything HE has to say on Red Pill topics. This after producing hundreds of hours worth of video content freely available to men in perpetuity on top of megabytes of his written contributions.
The Overton Window got shifted quite a bit from its place and trajectory when TRP started. However, that's not to say it's fixed forevermore in an adequate state and will never move again under changing times and ideas in society. That would represent an unhelpfully nihilistic attitude,, which works to demotivate those who hold it from actively engaging the culture and addressing further changes and developments as they come.
Bottom line, TRP achieved a state of maturity as a praxeology,but that absolutely is not the same as saying it's complete, finished, or never could develop further.
First-light 15h ago
I have never been interested in gurus. I have yet to see one who has all the answers and I will do my own research. I do not regard the sidebar as gospel, just inspired writing. We don't need one true textbook, we just need men looking at reality and talking about it. I see this happening more and more in the comment sections of mainstream articles. So there is less and less need for specialist sites. However, I do hope we can get a place where more people talk. Having too much dogma tends to put people off and leads to splintering.
Bozza 2 2d ago
The forums aren't dead. We still have an active user base, and we still have a lot of viewers/lurkers on the site. But yeah, compared to the reddit heydays, it's not as big as it once was sadly.
Fresh and fit (and any of those podcasts) are just grifters looking for a quick buck. They add very little of substance or value, and pander almost exclusively to blue pills and guys in the anger phase. The only clips I've ever seen from them are "hurr durr, girl dumb!" and everyone jerks themselves off over it in the comments.
In terms of theory, pretty much everything there is to be written has already been written. The core concepts were fleshed out years ago and are unlikely to change any time soon. Almost all of the new theory I've seen comes from this site, where people share field reports and delve more into the specifics of interactions and what might be happening.
Good example being @Vermillion-Rx coining Retroactive LMR.
HighBodyCountVirgin 2d ago
I mean tbf, those are just clips, and they do well because they're rage bait or funny. They teach men how to improve their financial and dating situations in their shows. So I wouldn't dismiss Fresh and Fit.
I'll be honest, I've been on this site on and off for couple of months now, and it seems like most of the active members are veterans who are older and indifferent about how the dating world and intersexual dynamics is today. Whereas most of the red pill men that are scattered around other places on the internet seem to be young men in that red pill rage phase or just anxious about their future in dating. And there's a disconnect between these two communities.
Musicgoon78 2 2d ago
TRP is not dogma it's a set of tools. All of these tools can be implemented in different ways. A lot of the guys around don't understand. This isn't a book of tenants, it's suggestions and notes. The tools have been laid out, now it up to the men that have them to use them.
Take a look at the forums sometimes. You'll get a lot of regurgitated speech and generic ideas for the approval of the masses. Every new guy on here wants to tell you how stoic he is and how his girlfriend is submissive, cooks, cleans, has no tattoos etc.
These are sad guys that can't think for themselves. Life is depressing and confrontational if you listen to all these influencers and doom scrollers.
The big problem with trp in reddit is it became a mecca for larpers and spergs. The quality of the content went downhill and the arguments aren't even constructive. People left the sinking ship so you're left with the "bottom of the barrel" lurkers.
This has zero to do with the USA. It's all about trying to sell sensationalism and anger to get views.
MrSupreme 1d ago
I think what I have learned from Rian Stone is that there is no need for a centralized hub of TRP. There is the sidebar material. books, blog posts, these forums, Substacks has a bunch of authors too, and many X accounts for the trashier side.
Use the internet, discern and take with a healthy grain of salt everything you read on the internet, even TRP stuff. I don't see things like The Rational Male going outdated anytime soon.
The Red Pill is not a movement, if you're looking for some support group to identify yourself with, foggeddaboutit. Ask your questions and provide your experiences for newbies.
JPCantell 1d ago
Dunno. Interesting that a million plus subscriber base just fell off.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
This site is constantly growing and we have to keep upgrading our infrastructure to accommodate the increased traffic
It's not dead and there is only more being worked on
There are a lot of lurkers who simply don't post
And the guys who do contribute have a pretty good knowledge base
Our focus here is a combination of r/TheRedPill and married red pill
It is far more balanced here than elsewhere and has a lot of diverse perspectives and members
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iamnotneptuno 1d ago
It’s dead, feminism won. Sad but true.
No idea what you’re talking about, it’s banned left and right.
First-light 15h ago
Feminism won the early battles by banning some Red pill stuff. But that is just how revolutions go. At first the revolutionaries are crushed but they just keep popping up.
Banners come and go in revolutions. Groups change but the thrust of the revolution continues. Feminism is unjust to men and in serving the desires of women does not serve their long term interests too well or the interest of society either. There is a counter revolution to feminism that starts with men understanding the nature of women and controlling the variables they can in their lives even if women hold most of the cards. This is just the start and it is very much alive and well, whether you call it one thing or another.
iamnotneptuno 15h ago
No offense man, but I don’t know what planet do you live on. There is absolutely no revolution against feminism in any shape or form.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 13h ago
You are full of shit dude
I am about to ban you for trolling this place
First-light 11h ago
Err mainstream media is always warning about the dangers of the manosphere. Use a search engine.
Here is an article published just today; https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mainstreaming-manosphere-danger-online-misogyny-073226167.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
First stage is "Look at these repellent losers" Second (current) stage is "Stop these dangerous losers" Next stage is "negotiate with these guys they are not losers after all" I hope we get there.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
What are you even talking about, none of what you typed is true
MrSupreme 1d ago
I've seen less feminism and woke shit post-covid than pre-covid, i think they blew up during lockdowns. Curiously, i've seen quite a bit of non-wokeness around, which was kinda surprising to me, like not everyone goes cheering gay people for existing, just an example.
There is a huuuuge FACT with the woke agenda, and that is that it is mostly PROPAGANDA.