I mean literally, not in an abstract way. No offense but these forums are dead, only like a few dozen active members, compared to what TRP sub on reddit used to be at its peak. Is there any big red pill online community today?
It seems like what happens whenever the US topples another nations government, and creates a power vacuum, where different factions and insurgency groups emerge with different values and ideals, fighting for power.
After TRP was quarantined, and many of the RP subs were banned, it seems like all TRP communities splintered and started congregating under RP personalities. TRP is bigger than ever, you could even say its somewhat mainstream, but there isn't one place for TRP, instead there's Fresh and Fit and their community, theres Rollo and his community, different accounts on X, different tik tok channels and their communities, theres the Tates and their community (even though they aren't really RP and shit on TRP), I even see many non RP personalities have started preaching TRP concepts.
Do you think TRP's growth when it comes to developing the theory and concepts has stagnated because of this, since there isn't a more centralized forum of discussion anymore? Like I see a lot of the different TRP personalities have different ideals and theories that contradict each other.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 8h ago
Rian Stone is one conspicuous example of old guard TRP personalities, who from atop a veritable mountain of content he produced, has lately been saying, he's said all he can say on the topic of Red Pill.
Personally, I still feel the same drive I always have, that young men stand perennially disadvantaged in the sexual marketplace and the eyes of the law. I too have offered much and see importance in new figures rising to carry our torch forward.
This isn't a cynical position but a grateful one. The Overton window didn't passively shift, WE helped move it! Red pilled ideas and theories that were considered radical and even heretical 10 years ago during our early years, now get routinely voiced even in relatively mainstream places.
There still exists an evergreen market for keeping mainstream culture on track, to not allow it to slip towards default female primacy beyond basic physical protection. This is going to feel less urgent and dramatic as back in the early days. It's as natural an evolution as the Matrix movie franchise not hitting the same on its fourth installment, as the first movie did in the time of its release.
HighBodyCountVirgin 3h ago
From what I've seen theres two schools of thought when it comes to moving the overton window.
I think if you're in the second camp, you can't ever say that everything has already been said, that all the info is already out there, and leave it in one corner of the internet for the chosen few to stumble upon. And thats because the blue pill narrative hasn't stopped being pushed either, its continuously being pushed, and its evolving.
New generations are walking into the world of dating everyday, and they all grew up being fed the blue pilled slop from mainstream media, in order to get through to them we need to continuously be regurgitating red pill concepts on platforms to get through to them, thats how many TRP theories have penetrated mainstream spaces today.
And lets face it, as TRP becomes more mainstream, it will get more push back, because its a threat to the established order. Theres an arms race of ideas, and the only way to keep the overton window from shifting back is to keep fighting. Women are becoming more aware of red pill ideas, and they're actively trying to come up with counter measures. Like idk if you're aware of the recent phenomenon where now women have groups (Are We Dating the Same Guy) on FB or other social media, and apps (Tea app), where women talk about their dating experiences with specific men in their city, its become a cesspool of false accusations and slander to ruin men's reputation.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 1h ago
Not recent or innovative at all actually. Just a factor in the playing field.
You missed a very important detail there. Addressing old guard TRP guys winding down and moving on from the space, i said that Rian represents one who has lately been saying that HE finds that HE has already said pretty much everything HE has to say on Red Pill topics. This after producing hundreds of hours worth of video content freely available to men in perpetuity on top of megabytes of his written contributions.
The Overton Window got shifted quite a bit from its place and trajectory when TRP started. However, that's not to say it's fixed forevermore in an adequate state and will never move again under changing times and ideas in society. That would represent an unhelpfully nihilistic attitude,, which works to demotivate those who hold it from actively engaging the culture and addressing further changes and developments as they come.
Bottom line, TRP achieved a state of maturity as a praxeology,but that absolutely is not the same as saying it's complete, finished, or never could develop further.
Bozza 2 1d ago
The forums aren't dead. We still have an active user base, and we still have a lot of viewers/lurkers on the site. But yeah, compared to the reddit heydays, it's not as big as it once was sadly.
Fresh and fit (and any of those podcasts) are just grifters looking for a quick buck. They add very little of substance or value, and pander almost exclusively to blue pills and guys in the anger phase. The only clips I've ever seen from them are "hurr durr, girl dumb!" and everyone jerks themselves off over it in the comments.
In terms of theory, pretty much everything there is to be written has already been written. The core concepts were fleshed out years ago and are unlikely to change any time soon. Almost all of the new theory I've seen comes from this site, where people share field reports and delve more into the specifics of interactions and what might be happening.
Good example being @Vermillion-Rx coining Retroactive LMR.
HighBodyCountVirgin 1d ago
I mean tbf, those are just clips, and they do well because they're rage bait or funny. They teach men how to improve their financial and dating situations in their shows. So I wouldn't dismiss Fresh and Fit.
I'll be honest, I've been on this site on and off for couple of months now, and it seems like most of the active members are veterans who are older and indifferent about how the dating world and intersexual dynamics is today. Whereas most of the red pill men that are scattered around other places on the internet seem to be young men in that red pill rage phase or just anxious about their future in dating. And there's a disconnect between these two communities.
Musicgoon78 2 1d ago
TRP is not dogma it's a set of tools. All of these tools can be implemented in different ways. A lot of the guys around don't understand. This isn't a book of tenants, it's suggestions and notes. The tools have been laid out, now it up to the men that have them to use them.
Take a look at the forums sometimes. You'll get a lot of regurgitated speech and generic ideas for the approval of the masses. Every new guy on here wants to tell you how stoic he is and how his girlfriend is submissive, cooks, cleans, has no tattoos etc.
These are sad guys that can't think for themselves. Life is depressing and confrontational if you listen to all these influencers and doom scrollers.
The big problem with trp in reddit is it became a mecca for larpers and spergs. The quality of the content went downhill and the arguments aren't even constructive. People left the sinking ship so you're left with the "bottom of the barrel" lurkers.
This has zero to do with the USA. It's all about trying to sell sensationalism and anger to get views.
MrSupreme 1d ago
I think what I have learned from Rian Stone is that there is no need for a centralized hub of TRP. There is the sidebar material. books, blog posts, these forums, Substacks has a bunch of authors too, and many X accounts for the trashier side.
Use the internet, discern and take with a healthy grain of salt everything you read on the internet, even TRP stuff. I don't see things like The Rational Male going outdated anytime soon.
The Red Pill is not a movement, if you're looking for some support group to identify yourself with, foggeddaboutit. Ask your questions and provide your experiences for newbies.
JPCantell 1d ago
Dunno. Interesting that a million plus subscriber base just fell off.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 23h ago
This site is constantly growing and we have to keep upgrading our infrastructure to accommodate the increased traffic
It's not dead and there is only more being worked on
There are a lot of lurkers who simply don't post
And the guys who do contribute have a pretty good knowledge base
Our focus here is a combination of r/TheRedPill and married red pill
It is far more balanced here than elsewhere and has a lot of diverse perspectives and members
iamnotneptuno 19h ago
It’s dead, feminism won. Sad but true.
No idea what you’re talking about, it’s banned left and right.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 17h ago
What are you even talking about, none of what you typed is true
MrSupreme 7h ago
I've seen less feminism and woke shit post-covid than pre-covid, i think they blew up during lockdowns. Curiously, i've seen quite a bit of non-wokeness around, which was kinda surprising to me, like not everyone goes cheering gay people for existing, just an example.
There is a huuuuge FACT with the woke agenda, and that is that it is mostly PROPAGANDA.