UPDATE:
It was extremely hard for me, but I told her to pack her shit and leave. She literally left a few minutes ago. I feel devastated and miserable, almost vomited after crying my heart out when I saw her closing the door behind her. Swallowing the pill is hard.
I have so many good memories of times with her which will kill me every time they come up in my mind, at least for a while. Thanks for the advice everyone.
I will have to contact her as she needs to pack some more things and I need to collect her latest rent payment. Apart from that, I will avoid communication.
I've been with this girl for almost two years, cohabiting for one year. We live in a fairly expensive city and both have good jobs. In terms of expenses and chores, we share everything 50/50.
Everything went extremely smoothly up to around 4 months ago. That's when she started denying sex once in a while and blaming it on her tiredness. The worst episode happened when I was going down on her and she suddenly stopped me saying that she didn't want this. That same night she confessed that she had feelings of wanting to fuck other people, especially girls. I almost kicked her out and broke up, but she started saying that everyone has those kind of feelings and that she's not going to act upon those. In that moment I felt like she was right and gave her another chance.
I focused on making myself less available and not reacting to her bullshit. This kind of fixed the sex situation.
In the last month she went to three different parties with her coworkers. I am fine with her doing her own thing. I don't enjoy partying that much and prefer to stay at home.
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The first time, she told me she would be coming back at 10PM. She came back at 3AM. I phoned her multiple times as I was worried something happened, but she only replied at 3AM. I was furious and we had an argument. She agreed to update me if she changes her plans.
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Second time, she did the exact same thing. I didn't bother calling her or being worried. When she came back, I told her that I want her to do her own thing, but to just fucking tell me if she's going to change her plans. We had another argument where she rationalized her actions saying that "she was happy at the party and forgot about it" and that "she wants to be independent".
- Third time, she did the exact fucking thing again. Except this time, she crashed at her coworkers' place. And then she sent me a long email in the morning.
The email begins with
I apologize for my behavior in the last week.
Then she explains how she fucked up again with communicating and rationalizes it as before. Then she says she wants to be honest about her feelings:
I am in love with you and feel extremely happy. You've made me a more confident, happier, and relaxed person. I enjoy how we live together and the things we do.
I also feel like I am trapped at times. I would like to explore other emotional relationships, and I feel frustrated because you don't empathize with my anxiety or negative feelings. I still think about having sex with other people sometimes but I believe our relationship is more important. But I still don't know if this is going to last.
I am not able to prioritize you above the fact that I'm out having fun. The fact that communicating a change of plans is hard for me, that it feels like a chore and something that I'm obligated to do, even after your feedback, is a bad sign.
I sometimes think that in order to become even more confident and to self-actualize, I need to be independent of you. Perhaps this is wrong, because I've come so far already in this relationship. I'm frustrated by how you see this as "final": no breaks, no open relationships, no staying friends after breaking up. I wish I could take a break and be on my own for a month or two, but I don't want to lose you. I want you to be a part of my life extremely badly, and the connection we have is amazing, but I find it hard to give what you what you want. If that means I won't be able to have you, then I'm ready for the consequences. If you want to work it out, then we retry.
This email shocked me and I don't know how to react. Logically I should immediately hard next her, but I really enjoying her company and I have strong feelings for her. Additionally, I felt like cohabitation with her worked well both for practical reasons (money, flat management) and because apart from a few episodes everything always went smoothly.
I want to fix this, if possible. I don't know how. I would like some advice on how I can fix the situation.

Aaren_Augustine 8y ago
Please, pretty please, break up with me. Really, seriously, I'm acting shitty so you get the balls to kill the puppy. I can't, I hate responsibility enough to hop on a strang dick to insure you break up with me. Hell, I can't even directly admit I'm hopping on dick so that you kill the puppy. Its very dramatic and crazy and I'm kinda okay with it. And you accept my behavior so, yeah I'm going to keep doing this shit.
Bitch, this is why ghosting is a practice. Drop that hamster in arctic water.
[deleted] 8y ago
This.
moorekom 8y ago
Adding to this, read this Op.
https://therationalmale.com/2016/10/24/please-breakup-with-me/
Metalgear222 8y ago
Just your classic case of a oneitis clouding judgment to the point of ignoring gut instincts to the extent of becoming a beta servant.
Aaren_Augustine 8y ago
Good way of saying it.
tayowsp 8y ago
You are right. I updated the OP. I kicked her out minutes ago. I feel like dying.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
You made the right choice. It will hurt in the short term, but it was the right choice. Shit was only going to spiral out of control worse, and you would have wound up doing it later, anyway.
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failingtheturingtest 8y ago
Asking for an open relationship is her way of saying "I want guys that aren't you" and you think that "As long as I get to tuck you in share in your emotional baggage" is the correct answer?
"She was ready to let go of you even though she loved you"
She was ready to let go of him, even though she was comfortable telling him she loved him.
Why does her saying "I love you" make it OK to go home with a coworker and lay an ultimatum of "Either let me fuck this guy and come home to you, or let me fuck this guy without you"?
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
This.
Also, when girls say they want an "open relationship" or they want to "see other people", two things apply:
A. They only mean them, not you.
B. There is an actual person, usually with an actual dick that they want to go try out.
Gandalf32 8y ago
Agreed. I would have kept her around and plated her. But I know how feelings are. However, if my ex ever wanted to bang, hell, almost any of them, I probably not say no. If the girl is a super hard candidate for hard nexting (cheating, fucking you financially etc.) then of course I would say nope. But at least she is being up front and you aren't catching her getting plowed by Chad in your bedroom.
GunsGermsAndSteel 8y ago
Well, fucking your ex is like putting a turd back up your butt.
Gandalf32 8y ago
Only if you take her back and act like a cuck. Otherwise. NSA fucking is fair game. No feelings. Just fucking the shit out of her like the beast that you are.
gg_s 8y ago
The act alone is a strong signal that you probably have no new women to fuck and that there's probably a reason for it that needs addressing.
tayowsp 8y ago
I am not dying. I feel like dying because I broke up with the person I love.
The idea feels disgusting to me. I'm not attractive enough for her, and she wants to have sex with other people while still having a relationship with me. You might not feel the same way, but thinking about her enjoying intercourse with someone else while she's still in a relationship with me feels really horrible.
I don't care if it involves other girls. The idea of my girlfriend getting intimate with someone else and desiring someone else is not something I would accept. I will not be a cuck.
It does. Letting her go was extremely hard for me. But she showed a lack of responsibility 3 times in a row and telling me that she wants "emotional connections" and "sexual relationship" with other people was too much.
htbf 8y ago
She would have made a great plate. She was honest and that's the most you can realistically ask of a girl. Don't expect loyalty from a woman. Take whatever she's ready to give and enjoy that.
I've stopped believing in full on exclusive relationships two years into the RedPill.
Best of luck to you.
And just to be clear, a cuck is someone who enjoys the idea of his one it is getting fucked by another man. A cuck enjoys it so much he wants to see it or at least get details about it.
It has nothing to do with an open relationship. I've never been in your situation because I'm the one pushing for open relationships with my girls.
mememan47 8y ago
You did the right thing. Don't cuck out.
Lift, be a better person, do things for yourself. I've been where you have been before and it is fucking terrible but you know the way out and as cliche as this is one day you will look back on this and be thankful you got that disloyal skank out of your life.
htbf 8y ago
No girl is loyal. AWALT.
failingtheturingtest 8y ago
Mate, you fucking aced it. It's a fucking hard thing to do.
Open relationships are a bullshit idea dreamed up by blokes who can't handle being alone. There is no part of a man that should accept a woman going out, fucking another bloke, and then coming home to tell you she loves you.
htbf 8y ago
Open relationships are what plates are, and it's heavily recommended on TRP.
It doesn't mean you hold no responsibility and get to have a green card. It just means you learn not to invest your sense of well being and happiness in the exclusive love a girl can give you. It's exactly what we're striving for. He dumped her because he could not take the pain and that's OK. But anyone thinking there is a diffeeence between a plate and an LTR doesn't get AWALT.
failingtheturingtest 8y ago
You need to read the sidebar. Open Relationships are NOT plates. And if the girl suggests an open relationship, you've lost. You already gave up commitment (what her goal is) and she then reneged on it.
htbf 8y ago
The sidebar tells you to never give your full commitment, not to go away from open relationships. The ideal situation is when YOU want an open relationship, not when she asks for it. Monogamy is dead and we at the red pill are best equipped to handle that.
failingtheturingtest 8y ago
No, that is not what the sidebar says. 'Read' does not equal 'repeat your incomplete understanding as though it is fact'.
htbf 8y ago
There is not a single mention of exclusivity in what you quoted and yet you lecture me. Listen dude, I don't know if you have plates. You probably don't. But if you do, how do you feel knowing that they fuck other men? Probably nothing. So it means it's possible to have an intimate relationship with a woman while not thinking she is yours. Try to apply that in your LTR as well. Because she is NEVER yours.
leftajar 8y ago
You should have dropped her the first time she no call no showed. That's how they run it in any low-end retail job, for good reason.
Gandalf32 8y ago
Good point.
DatingCoach111 8y ago
I know the feeling of sickness sinking to the pit of your stomach. It's hard as fuck. But you made the right choice for you. It's not that she didn't find you physically attractive, but she lost excitement in the relationship, and emotional excitement is what turns women on sexually. At the very least, she had some self control, assuming she didn't cheat.
Don't fight the pain. Embrace it. Fighting it will only reinforce it and make it stronger. The next few months will be tough as shit, but you'll live.
And hand to God: Go on the Ketogenic diet during this time. It's an antidepressant diet that completely changes your neurochemistry. I use it every time I go through a breakup, and I swear by it. Many users over at r/Keto have stated their depression and anxiety magically vanishing when they stick to the diet. I can attest to the same.
[deleted] 8y ago
Oh yeah, and change the locks.
Shukakun 8y ago
Regardless of whether or not she has fucked other people during those conveniently uncontactable nights, I think you're still done.
What she's saying is basically "I'm not getting any younger and I feel really invested in you, but I stupidly believe that I maybe maybe can get someone even better before I hit the wall. I'm not ready to be someone's girlfriend because I still want to look around and try my luck. I'm a dumbass who can't gauge my own situation even remotely well. Dump me and find someone who respects you and has reasonable expectations".
Unlike her, you have a lot more time on your hands and probably a lot higher value compare to the average man than she does compared to the average woman. So yeah, I understand that this is painful and very hard for you, but at the end of the day, she's probably doing you a favor.
LordThunderbolt 8y ago
Next
GunnarX 8y ago
Well done on kicking her out. Do not give her any more stuff back until you get your rent money.
[deleted] 8y ago
This.
Also don't let her in, pack her shit into a box and do a quick exchange.
Do not engage her in dialogue.
[deleted] 8y ago
You did the right thing she is a very devious woman.
I can see from your text that you unfortunately are very easy to manipulate through emotions.
*Don't listen what they say, listen to what they do, she wrote that you are important and she "very badly" needs you in her life yet she did everything to the opposite.
She didn't ask you to break up with her as people here say. She wanted to keep you as a provider or either cuck you, here:
"wanting to fuck other people, especially girls."
"she started saying that everyone has those kind of feelings" - implying you
"In that moment I felt like she was right and gave her another chance." - seriously?
She was very sneakily trying to manipulate you into a one-way beneficial "relationship".
She just wanted to keep her man-slave, you were a valuable resource to her not a human being, you don't treat people this way, especially those close to you.
Read "No more mr. Nice guy" and buy yourself a GYM membership.
And under no circumstances, don't you ever get emotional with her again. You should completely ghost her.
She probably is a narcissit, watch this channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEYtx7Fu8cg
Also read this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3bn9s6/fr_my_story_she_is_not_who_you_think_she_is_15/
Also she is a liar and a cheater, she most definitely had sex with other people.
You didn't throw away anything, you didn't even have what you think you had. She threw away you when she spread her legs for some other guys.
Razor_Point 8y ago
You dont necessarily have to read between the lines of the email to realize that she wants CC, and its a classic case of familiarity breeds contempt/diminishes attraction.
You were correct to have a hardline stance of no break/no friendship/I leave. This is the reason she has this dilemma of whether or not you are serious you will leave, and also if she is making a wrong call unsettling you/hopping on CC.
For me, the crucial part of the email is the mere suggestion/her thoughts of a break; this means the 100% correct action is hard-next, blocking and don't be sexually involved with this girl again. It must end now; I fully expect her to crawl back after being pumped/dumped by Chad/Tyrone, so therefore you should block any form of contact to not crack.
I predict you will not listen. I was in your position 1 and a half years ago. Long-story short; I did listen to TRP by ending the relationship; but DID keep in contact. Had her as my single "plate" and stretched oneitis a whole year, whilst she had plenty of tinder cock. I finally blocked in 6 months ago, a year of opportunity gone.
tl:dr Hard-next and Block now.
Kommanderdude 8y ago
She wants new dick. Cut your loses and end it. Just your turn and it’s coming to an end. Don’t be that beta cock fag that can’t tell when it’s time to end things.
max_peenor 8y ago
... and I'm too tired to ....(whatever she wants you to do).... . Buh bye. This when the relationship is over.
[deleted] 8y ago
She wants you to kill the puppy. This relationship is over, and you aren't going to be able to bring it back to life. The cat's out of the bag.
VasiliyZaitzev 8y ago
Cool. Schedule a 3way.
Ok, so just so you're clear, she's not just thinking about fucking other people anymore. She is fucking other people. And you should be, too.
Mistake.
Because: It's tough to text when Judy from Accounting is railing you with a strap-on and your face is buried in Janet from Legal's muff.
Also a mistake. Bigger one, actually.
She placated you.
Of course.
Much better reaction.
/facepalm
"Hamster...hamster...hamster..."
"Cool. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out."
Judy and Janet had her tied up, this time.
Her: {Lots of Words}
Waiting for the "but"...an here it is.
Translation: "I feel you are limiting me from being the Giant Whore that I want to be."
Fixed that for her.
Fixed that for her, again.
"Except that I don't because:"
This tells you EVERYTHING that you need to know.
No shit. Showing a MINIMUM amount of respect for you is a "chore".
This is a lot of bullshit. What she wants is to go out and ride the CC. She wants to fuck her way through the United Nations, or whatever, and then she wants to wear white at her wedding to you, the dumbfuck cuck loser who will wife her up at the end and save her from a life of spinsterhood and cats.
She wants to give you the LEAST AMOUNT of her youth, beauty and fertility. She does not want to waste a day more than is necessary on you.
How does THAT fuckin' feel?
And go read the part I bolded, again and again. She's pissed because she wants your commitment, but wants the freedom to give her pussy away to Outlaw Bikers, Drug Dealers and Escaped Mental Patients.
I bet that makes you feel VALUED right? /s
Translation: "I am going to go be a Giant Whore. If that means I lose you, then so be it, but this is me trying to get you to accept it."
Dude, RUN.
Easy: Dude, RUN.
Exactly.
No, you have strong feelings for the identity you have projected onto her, not what she is, which is basically the Queen of Whore Island.
So get a male roommate.
"So, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the theater?"
Of course you do, and it isn't.
Doesn't matter, because you can't.
The faster you dump that toxic bitch and get her out of your life, the better.
You have a "sunk costs" fallacy thing going on. And if you look at the "reasons" you want to fix it, it's basically "enjoy her company" plus "she cleans up the flat", etc. The real reason is, she's familiar to you, except for the recent bullshit. You don't want to have to go out, meet other girls, etc. You like the "comfort" that she represents. Except she doesn't represent it any more.
You can't put Humpty Dumpty together again.
Verdict: Punt.That.Cunt.
Narcissist456 8y ago
Beautifully stated. This response alone belongs on the main Redpill forum.
Your_average_Russian 8y ago
Well that's easy, ask her to marry you! Once she sees how serious you are, she will stop partying and will give you sex! That's how it works - you must have communication!
JK. Other commenters already summarized it, but read this. If somehow you have any further questions, go back to grade school and stay there.
[deleted] 8y ago
I can't help but laugh when I see these. She's fucking Chad. It's over.
Hit the gym, block her on everything, & download tinder.
fuck-fuck-fuck-fuck- 8y ago
She’s already been fucking others. All your fluff writing is irrelevant. You have most likely been cucked, with her coming home filled with other cum.
RedBigMan 8y ago
Yeah and when he went down on her when she 'wasn't into it' she probably had some other dudes baby batter in her oven.
fuck-fuck-fuck-fuck- 8y ago
Yup.
gg_s 8y ago
nom nom nom
Gee, this tastes funny...
Oh well, it's probably just her body.
nom nom nom
nastynickdr 8y ago
its over brah, unless you are fine with being a cuck.
Yeah she lives with you, yeah you have her on lease or whatever, but she has to go. Its over. Dont even try to "understand" her feeeelz letter. She lost attraction to you and wants to ride the CC. Pack her stuff and show her the door.
Find a girl thats compatible with you if you want a LTR, not a party slut. You commited to a girl that is not LTR material. Most of them arent nowadays, but thats just the way things are. You fix that by "uncommiting" to her.
You like her, enjoy her company, enjoy fucking her? Cool, thats awesome. Have her as a plate, dont live together with her, then shes free to fuck whoever she wants and so are you and you dont need to endure the drama and be a cuck.
You are hamstering. You need to own your shit, be able to pay for your own fucking place, or live with your parents, friends or whatever. Never depend on a woman for that, for your own sake and mental health.
If you dont break up with her you are heading to a road of endless drama, depression and cuckdom. But its your life, so its up to you.
imdar3ald3al 8y ago
Yeah dude. If she tells you she wants to be with other people, she already is! Trust me. AWALT.
You tried to turn a ho into a housewife. Most girls are no good for an ltr so don't be too hard on yourself.
But you should be fucking other girls and planning your escape.
sadomasochrist 8y ago
Honestly the only thing you can do to fix this is start fucking other women with her. This woman is your mental point of origin. Just be happy you didn't have kids or marry her, and also be happy she red pill'd you, even if you're still bluer than a smurf.
RPShitlord 8y ago
She's telling you she wants other dick and feels upset and offended that you won't accept breaks, open relationships or just friends.
It's over. She just disqualified herself as your GF. Plate or dump.
Tell her you don't want her to be trapped, but you don't share girlfriends, and you don't do "just friends". She's welcome to keep fucking you, though.
Aktiv8r 8y ago
Why do dudes keep doing this? My cohabitation has gone fucking splendidly. You wanna know why? It's MY house, MY bills, MY car, MY appliances, MY EVERYTHING. I have 100% control of the relationship, she's fucked if I decide to end it and she knows it. I make her buy the groceries, cook and clean. She pays for her own shit and I allow her to stay in my castle. As long as she meets my requirements for a live-in girl, she can stay.
Don't allow her to invest in YOUR shit, it gives her ground to stand on in a break up.
Shukakun 8y ago
That's actually a good idea. I was already a fan of having my own place and didn't feel great about the idea of cohabitation with some girl who would inevitably change it in ways I wouldn't like (Saw my father's childhood friend, a 50 year old military veteran move into a literally completely pink house recently...), but that's not even the only thing, now that I think about it.
Girlfriends always seem to end up costing their partner a certain amount of money, not rarely a very high amount. If the only thing she has to pay for is her own food, she has plenty of allowance left over, so I don't have to finance her vapid handbags.
yes_we_can_t 8y ago
Completely agree. Fuck the 50/50. I used to do that when I was bluepilled and it went as well as you could expect. Declining sex/attraction, constant problems, nagging, exactly what people think a typical relationship involves. Now I'm showing that I'm owning my shit, holding my space to a high standard and telling/showing her how to clean when it's not good enough. I want to live in a clean, good looking place, so I make sure it is.
I'm taking care of things, and making a point to do all the traditionally masculine things, and it's definitely a turn on for her. I also praise her femininity and the little things she does for me, which she loves.
When I see guys here say shit like "make sure she's on the lease, so she's legally obligated to pay part of rent and utilities", I'm just shaking my head. And in the next comment another fool says "actually don't ever cohabit, when you let a girl in it's soo hard to get her out".
So, don't put her on the lease. Don't put anything in her name. Make it easy for you to kick her out when necessary.
I haven't had one girl cohabiting who doesn't also chip in to buy food or whatever anyway. I allow them to decorate and paint and do whatever they want to make the place look nice, though.
Keep up the steel frame, then enjoy your clean house, dinners, morning blowjobs etc. that a good woman will give you.
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Aktiv8r 8y ago
For example, don't let her buy a new stove, couch or bed. She will try to toss out your old stuff and then she has some sort of leverage that you will be without something material when she leaves. This is more for your own mental wellbeing, you won't second guess a break up or other similar decisions because you will suffer in some way when she takes something you need with her.
Allowing her to pay rent also guarantees her some sort of power in the household. By accepting payment for these things you give her a right to be there. The status quo is that you allow her to be there.
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Aktiv8r 8y ago
I haven't had to threaten anything like that yet, but who knows. What usually happens is I'll say some random redpill shit, albeit, rather bluntly (because, fuck it, why not). She gets all mad and I laugh at her for falling for my bait. Then she'll come around to something like "I'll pack my shit and leave right now!! So, I laugh harder and go pick up heavy things or whatever else I feel like doing. 15 minutes later, she's apologizing for getting as angry as she did and asking what I want for dinner tomorrow night. I just show her that none of that ever phases me. I can't even remember the last time she got a rise out of me.
[deleted] 8y ago
It's over. She's interested in someone else or being single.
Swallow the pill now and end your eminent suffering.
Wow I read her email. Don't be a faggot cuck. Leave.
Narcissist456 8y ago
I swear I read this same post at least once a week on this subreddit. The only thing that changes is the username posting it. Ghost the bitch, she clearly no longer respects you or your relationship.
[deleted] 8y ago
She wants you to break up with her so that she can feel validated in her feelings.
Drop her like a fat ogre shit. She's trying to emotionally blackmail you.
Deep_freeze202 8y ago
There's nothing to fix, it's over although she won't ever just say it so don't expect her to. Your only option is to break it off, that's what she wants she just needs you to do it so she can have her emotional drama and go about slutting it up without having to accept any responsibility.
You aren't going to want to accept it but it's the complete unfiltered truth, if you choose to ignore what you've been told your reward will be nothing but a long road of misery and depression until you nut the fuck up and end it. You've been warned.
clint_bronson 8y ago
Fix what? You either turn into a cuckold, or get some self respect and end it and start fucking other girls.
So, how exactly are you fixing this? Keep us updated.
tayowsp 8y ago
She's packing right now. I feel miserable and devastated, but I know that this is the right thing to do.
clint_bronson 8y ago
Yes it is. You'll feel better in due time. Go no contact, with extreme prejudice.
[deleted] 8y ago
Download tinder.
GunsGermsAndSteel 8y ago
Go to the gym and get laid, after that reevaluate your feelings on this matter and I suspect they will be a little bit different.
You told her to kick rocks, so you’ve got that part right. Now stick to it.
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