Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this tribe is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
- 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate tribe.
Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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mattyanon TRP Endorsed 1w ago
I like how she talks about choosing clothes and getting ready and spending time together as if the man isn't making the same contribution.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Most men would prefer women to wear less makeup.
https://youtu.be/YJUlRSa70mM?t=19
However, in hindsight, the Gen-X meal whores who spent an hour to get dressed to justify men pulling out that credit card for the date at least didn't fill their face pull of piercings and tattoos: https://youtu.be/wJevL0a8XZU?t=18
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 1w ago
We would.
Although we'd probably dump them once we realised what's underneath.
Talking about makeup is the absolute best way to undermine a woman's confidence. "Let's compare how you look in the morning to how I look in the morning".
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
If splitting the bill excludes women like her from your options, then it sounds a really good idea to me.
I have never spent money on an OF girl but I can bet you that any woman sitting opposite me has spent 1000's and 1000s on clothes hair and makeup for other people but I will still pay my half when its my turn.
Post wall and selfish. What does she offer? She doesn't get it -sex workers get paid all that not to be attitude filled for the evening and to try to please the man. That's actually all it takes ladies to be treated like a princess.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 1w ago
I'm in Europe...... this whole "man pays for dinner dates" ended in the 90's for most normal people when women decided they wanted to be forced to work all day instead of being at home doing their nails. Enjoy your freedom ladies.
My experience (with Europe and with America) is that if a woman likes you, she will respect you enough to pay her way. Maybe not 50% ..... but like.... certainly 40%. You get the food she gets the taxis..... or you alternate drinks rounds.... stuff like that. Enough that it's not a one way street. Maybe with the odd treat night out for her. But not this consistent bleeding dry thing that this woman is talking about.
It's only insecure meal whores, gold diggers, sponges and other women that won't fuck you anyway that are pulling this "must buy my food" shit.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Public service message: If you enjoy the content, please consider posting this link to the Reddit version of WAATGM since I cannot. It drives more traffic to this site, such as myself, and that's how the content creation happens. Please do your part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlC5DEp2EOQ
Thanks to @lurkerhasarisen for posting last time, you can jump on this treasure before anyone else! She did her hair! @Typo-MAGAshiv I labeled "single woman tears". Sort of Entitlement Queen but just crying about meal whoring seems a low barrier. Happy Friday!
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
Either flair would have worked for this one. I'll leave what you picked.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1w ago
I’m on it like a bonnet.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 1w ago
Although I’ve never spent a penny (much less thousands of dollars) on an OF whore, I think I can address her confusion. Guys who pay for camwhores are paying a fixed fee for a guaranteed service. Meanwhile, taking some basic Shiela on a dinner date that’s likely just a Foodie Call requires a large payout for a return that is not only uncertain, but highly unlikely.
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Honestly I don’t understand this paying for dinner, like $30+ per person, or how guys in America get into that.
Every early date I’ve gone on was either split, or wasn’t that expensive for me to pay.
But more damning, every girl I did the standard 3 dates with didn’t put out, except for one crazy exception. And all the girls who did put out did it in one date or zero.
Think about your ROI gentlemen.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 1w ago
The thing about ROI is the massive inversion.
Paying triggers "make him wait" instincts in her.
It literally turns her off sex and puts her into resource-extraction mode.
The more you pay, the more you have to pay, and the less interested in sex she becomes.
Then you marry her and at that point you might as well just cut your balls off.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Thankfully it appears men finally are, or the usual social anxiety the smartphone generation is known for is working out in their favor in this instance, as men are defaulting to stuff like Tinder instead of lining up to be exploited as foodie calls.
If the complaints of the Free Dinner Strategy crowd is anything to go by, that is.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
I had similar experiences circa 2002-2004 (been monogamous ever since late 2004).
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I've been out of this for decades. Back in dinosaur times, when dinners still cost less than $30, the men put up with it for a while based upon how things were escalating. You got to 1st base, then 2nd, and so on. After the dinner date, you'd do something like a movie or perhaps going to a museum.
Since COVID, restaurant prices have soared. They went up and stayed there. The Trump tariffs and wars didn't help. Sit down restaurants cost an arm and a leg. $20+ at most sit down places for a basic entree. Add in drinks, appetizers, and tip and you're not getting out for less than $50/each. My aunt took us out to La Madeline for a small breadfast and the tab was like $90.
Women gripe about "the bare minimum" but it reminds me of the line in Office Space. If the minimum isn't acceptable, then is the next level the ACTUAL minimum? https://youtu.be/F7SNEdjftno?t=20 (That was Mike Judge in a cameo as Stan, BTW)
I'm a master of finding nice hole-in-the-wall places with great food and a place to sit down where I can get out for a total of $30/each. If they don't like it, they're just whores looking to use you anyway.
Get this, some are now asking for paid Ubers rather than being picked up. Yep: "I am only using you for food and validation and don't intend to sleep with you so I don't want you to see where I live so I want you to pay for an uber for me. Because gouging you at an overpriced place isn't enough".
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Women have been giving men less than the bare minimum in support, agreeability, nurturing, good attitude and so on for decades. They have no idea how the markets are coiling for a re-set.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 1w ago
The attractive men have learned that paying works against them and refused to do it. They get fit, stay lean, learn the game, look good and exploit the system for what it is.
The unattractive men have realised that it's paying and getting nothing and they retreat into porn.
There will always be a few pay-pigs left for these girls to fight over. But less and less every year.
SeasonedRP 1w ago
I'm in a similar position and forget that going out for a decent dinner is a heck of a lot more expensive than it used to be, especially for a young man just starting out. Used to be no big deal to spring for dinner for a first date, but with costs rising so much more vis a vis incomes, it's fairly significant to a young man now.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 1w ago
Ah, the "first date" myth.
It sounds so reasonable. "You pay the first date".
Until you realise that there often isn't a second date. That you've got to do lots of first dates to get a second date. That it's second date if she feels like it.
Honestly.... paying for a meal is a shit test. It's provider-bait.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
The challenge with "coffee dates" is, and I hate this shaming term, it sounds "cheap" and kitsch. Sit down dinners are, by default, job interviews which they're going to associate the poor schmuck with every other schmoe she's run through it before.
Although I have heard many men say they hate the idea, what worked for my wife and me was a movie date. I rather enjoyed it because being present, in a moment, with someone next to me holding hands, sharing popcorn and drinks, was a great bonding moment. Highly recommend and if it's the weekend all the better (get the matinee).
I remember my wife and I first movie date like it was yesterday. We saw "Unfaithful". Her choice. Look up the plot on wiki. Worst movie date imaginable perhaps making it especially amusing.
SeasonedRP 1w ago
I remember that movie. Oh my, not the best first date movie, but hey, it worked. I did coffee dates if I hadn't met her in person. And this was before the practice started to be frowned on by women. Bowling was actually a decent third date following a coffee date and dinner date. I'd do a movie early on too and had similar experiences.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Ice cream. It's not coffee but it's also not a fucking fuck-you-in-the-wallet dinner date. There's something rather quaint and charming about it. Plenty of frozen yogurt places that are fun where you can get your own.
GeorgeIII Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
The two times I went on a coffee date, it went fucking nowhere, not even a 2nd date, not even a kiss. Never doing one again. And both times the woman proposed it. Never let women propose date ideas, at least initially.
My more successful ones have been “activity” dates, where we do something, not just sit around or eat. Examples include: axe throwing, dancing, escape rooms, rock climbing. Not all of them were smashing hits, but much better than coffee/food.
And a related note: how well the “activity” dates went were directly proportional to how much better I was at the activity than the woman. Makes some sense. Girls don’t value a guy being bold and trying something new, they want a guy who can already show off something cool.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
They want to think they found a winner to fuck at the finish line, basically.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
My dates included the Angeles shooting range where Charlton Heston used to shoot (never was lucky enough to see him) and chess in the park.
Lots of fun things to do and if it's not an interview, not all that bad. If she can't have fun and then go on a 2nd date and 3rd, then eff her.
We need to shoot the dinner date in the head.
BobbingForBunions Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Cheap is good for a first date because it sets an expectation. The date is about getting to know each other to see if they fit rather than one person trying to impress the other.
I took someone I know (No, I don't date. This person is very dear to me.) to Ruth Chris for dinner last night. Food and drinks cost $225. Another $50 for tip. Valet parking was $10 + $5 for tip. So I don't consider myself cheap.
But if I were going on a first date... yeah, it's gonna be coffee.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Basically the most consistently successful dating strategy over time for men is not to optimize their odds with each particular woman, but rather to optimize their filtering of unsuitable women.
You want to strike out as early as possible if you are going to strike out, so that you can move on to the next evaluation. You do not want to be six months into the dating process and finding out you wasted all that time and energy on a woman that did not deserve it.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I have a story about Ruth Chris. Sorry if I have to put on old-man-story-mode:
Back 18 years ago, one of my colleagues had researched and found that by Federal law engineers should get paid overtime since we didn't have direct reports. I referred him to my attorney.
They took it to binding arbitration and won not just for him, but ALL of us. If we filled out a timesheet saying we worked over 40 hours for the past 2 years, we got 1.5X. I had religiously filled out my timesheet accurately including if some jerk called me at 2AM with a question, I billed an hour.
Some of us got $90K checks. One guy, an idiot, just filled out 40 hours each PP because we weren't getting OT at the time. He got nothing.
I got $33K after taxes, as I recall.
So I took my old lady out to Ruth's Chris to celebrate. We paid something comparable to what you did. She had a great time, but agrees my Costco Filet Mignon steaks at home are just as good, quite frankly.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Dafuq? He worked more than 40 /week and didn't at least claim the regular hourly rate for anything over 40? OMFG. Dude was complicit in his own wage theft.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Note that we were under the understanding at the time were were overtime exempt because we were "skilled" labor (supposedly). So for decades we got paid the same whether we put 40 hours on it or more.
I religiously declared my time if only to document the hard work I was doing. As I figured out later, the office politics of the place largely meant that the actual work you did, or hours you documented, were secondary to simply being LIKED by the management chain. If only I had learned how to golf...
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
If you don't like a man doing that, maybe don't choose men who do it?
Also, even if he does do that, why does that entitle YOU (presumably not an OF whore) to a free dinner?
No one asked you to do all that, you did it because you're afraid of people seeing you in public without those things.
No, he's just not going to go out with you if you do not. You are free to walk away and leave him to his OF whores. You are free not to go on dates with men like that. The fact is, you don't have a lot of options anymore.
Since you seem to be jealous of OF whores, maybe go try it out. See what it's like to have men buy you crap you don't need for sexual services.
If you don't want to do that, then maybe stop complaining. Men spend money on things when there is a reason to do so. You offer nagging and shaming and not much else. And remember, literally no man cares about your hair being done, your makeup, or your expensive clothing.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I wonder if all the media press given to the extreme high paychecks of OF whores is somehow even further exacerbating the delusional state modern western women are in. The film "Margo's Got Money Troubles" features a decadent Elle Fanning as a college co-ed who gets knocked up so she decides to make an OF and makes a ton of money. There's the newspaper articles about former graduate students making bank.
So these women most likely at their day job in HR must be wondering "Why am I not entitled to that?" and take it out on the guys they match up with. "You gotta keep up with what I read online about OF whores! Look! I did my nails! That's worth at least $200!"
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Whoredom is an aspirational status for many modern women. As elsewhere noted, they are less reliable than actual whores, and as such rate worse pay per transaction for any man with a lick of sense.
Of course as usual women are trying to work the problem from the wrong end of the equation - what they need to do is to increase what they offer and its reliability to increase the payout, not the other way around. Men have cottoned on to modern women and "trad dating" being the equivalent of signing up for a Dine n Dash scam.
hhhhdmt 1w ago
I have never spent a dime on OF or escorts or hookers.
I do like the ocassional trip to the strip club (once every 3 months or so) but i have nothing against the women working there. There is a clear economic transaction: i pay them a few hundred for lap dances where i am feeling them up and playing with their tits.
I have no issue with those women because they are honest.
Whereas idiots like this woman is expecting me and other men to spend hundreds on her for merely putting in the effort to look pretty. So what? I don't give a damn. Unless sex is 100% guaranteed, i am not spending a dime on you.
This is why i respect strippers. Whereas women like this one in the video deserves zero respect.
Everpax Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
OF or prostitution is like buying groceries. You get to see what the product is, how much it costs, and you have a pretty solid idea of what you're getting when you fork over the cash.
Going on a date has more in common with a job interview than grocery shopping. You go on a date to figure out if the person is right for you, they do the same to you, and in many cases one or both of you will decide to not move forward. Do you see any applicants throwing money at companies just to get interviewed? Of course not, that would turn job hunting into a pseudo-gambling dynamic that would encourage companies to do interviews even with applicants they're not really interested in hiring. And THAT is why some men will spend thousands on pussy (insane if you ask me, but besides the point) while asking you to split the bill on a date. With the former, they're buying a clearly-labeled product; with the latter, they have no clue what they're getting, if anything at all.
Not to mention that the only reason men paying for 100% of the bill was ever a thing is because in traditional relationships, men brought in most of the income, whereas women brought most of the house labor. This social contract has been eradicated with feminism, so why should men be expected to continue doing their part of the contract?
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
Louder for the bitches in the back!
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Men paying for everything is so 1950's. I thought Feminists didn't want to go back to the gender roles of the 1950's.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
"Smash the patriarchy! No wait, not the parts that benefit me!"