This video has gone viral. The followup/related videos put them into context:
1) "This is the STANDARD I'm expecting!" https://streamable.com/9961pf
2) "I bring the femininity you so desperately crave!" https://streamable.com/8f40zd
3) "I don't think people who've been in relationships from a young age realize how hard it is to have always been single" https://streamable.com/wjdrlp
4) "The Final Flowerboy Update" https://streamable.com/v989tq
First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
The epidemic of chronic female loneliness is self inflicted and could be prevented by asking "what can I bring to make this man's life more enjoyable. Men bring the masculine energy you crave in your life, what do you bring? At least that was what her rant made me think.
In her case what she brings seems to be a slot for the opportunity to pay for her food, like 49 other guys did. Hmm, I think your problem might be self inflected my dear. Its like test driving 50 cars and saying they are all no good because you can't park them. Learn to park then. In the past how many women even had access in their whole life to 50 men of suitable age and all single and you still can't make one of them work for you??
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 23h ago
One of the most important "don'ts" I learned from PUA back in 2000-2002 was "don't bring flowers to dates, especially a first date".
You want to signal fun and arousal, not providership.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1d ago
I find it very hard to believe that 50 guys were so desperate that they were prepared to show up and pay for this pig with lipstick's dinner.
I highly suspec that she is having zero response with OLD and she is just inventing stories about a non-existant dating life, for likes clicks and engagement on 'her channel'.
All women dream of not working and being an influencer. The only thing she can really think of is doing a 'oh its so hard with the modern dating' channel.
I'll give you 10 to 1 that she bought those flowers herself at a gas station, for this video. As a prop for her video.
Which is very sad.
Really, its got to suck being an ugly, vapid, brain dead, internet addicted, jealous, bitter woman.
throwaway415 1d ago
I know ill probably catch some flak for this but I think she did make a good point in the 2nd video. this isnt to say that the male loneliness epidemic is self inflicted like she is asserting, but there is certainly a significant fraction of guys struggling to get women who just lack game. if those guys learned some game they would have substantially improved success with women. we as men have to bring something (strong game) to the table and shouldn't expect women to just be our mothers. its well understood that the only women who can love us unconditionally are our own mothers. other women's love is always conditional, and she will lose interest if you don't game her properly
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 28m ago
The whole trope of 'game' is interesting.
Basically, good game is a strong hint that a man is not suitable for an LTR. That's the honest truth.
What modern women want most of all is 'unsuitability'. The collary of that is also true - the thing that gives them the most ick is suitability.
Think about it long enough and you will agree. A guy that has great game, that can pick up chicks IRL with no effort at all, and has a high body count...what we used to call a 'playa' in the 90s - that is only thing that women want.
To some extent, we all play along. I know what to do when I meet a chick for the first time. I know exactly what they want -they want the sensation that what is about to happen is a 'mistake'. That I am going to pump and dump them. That I have just fucked another hot chick a few hours ago, and that I will fuck her, and then not call her in the morning. There are many many ways to signal that to her... a simple wink. Making the first move. Being very self confident. Not taking her seriously. not being nervous about making the approach. Not coming across as a nervous, spergy, incel virgin.
We had a phrase at Uni - we used to say 'insincerity is the key'. They want and need to know and believe that you don't have any interest in her whatsoever, and that you have abundance and that she will only be one of hundreds.
cundardunfinished Jr. Hamster Analyst 1d ago
I'll give you flak. She says all she brings to the table is pussy. Yes, men need to bring something as well, but importantly they do not need to bring something for her. She is a low value woman with an entitled attitude.
And the 'mother' thing is a weapon women yield to avoid responsibility for bringing anything to a relationship, or to excuse themselves after a light switch moment leads them to an exit. What I mean is that it is the female prerogative to "mother" you, which I put i quotes because we're really just talking about providing value usually in the form of cooking, cleaning, grooming, etc. They want to control how you eat, dress, live, in a type of shit test and also to isolate you from other females. Then when you're comfortable and fat they will dump you because you lost frame and they found a fit chad and then accuse you of wanting a "mother."
throwaway415 20h ago
I don't disagree, I meant "mother" more in the sense of providing unconditional love, which is a blue pill pipe dream. im a firm believer that a woman should cook, clean and do laundry for her man, but her man must have good game to sustain this
PoopBeast Jr. Hamster Analyst 18h ago
In traditional relationships it wasn't "game" that we brought to the table. I don't even really think that game is what we primarily bring in modern relationships because if most men only brought "game" to the table but never really delivered anywhere else, most women would eventually leave.
One of the most pernicious lies told today is that women aren't asking for much from men. You see this implied in statements like "where are all the good men?" It implies that women are simply looking for men that are "good" and that their myriad of other requirements don't exist. Young women today are pretty picky. I would be wary of anyone who says that men would "do well" with women "if they would just..."
You might be right about above average looking men though.
Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 26m ago
"if most men only brought "game" to the table but never really delivered anywhere else, most women would eventually leave."
Not before we fucked them!
Honestly, you have hit the nail on the head. In the old days, women used to shun playas. They knew where that led to ..... a night of exciting sex, and then they would be left to raise a baby on their own. Their family and community would shun them.
But now, things have changed. All they want is men with game.
So that is all they are going to get from us.
Women control access to sex, men control access to relationships.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1d ago
@Typo-MAGAshiv @Moorekom I believe this comment is a violation of Rule 1: No Shaming. To say men who refuse to engage in, "strong game" "expecting women to just be our mothers" is technically calling him a "boy" which is a classic male shaming tactic.
That said, I'd like to discuss how women are infantilized into demanding men be their "daddies" via him paying the bills, holding her doors, and "making her feel safe" and when women do these things for themselves, they like to call themselves "strong, independent women" but instead that's just them demanding an award for being an adult. This trope we discuss here has them then whining that men aren't making them "feel" safe or provided for but if they were already doing that for themselves, why do they need a man to "make" her "feel" safe?
It's why the strong, independent lonely woman trope is a thing: Such women instead of being independent merely raise their standards for what it takes to "feel" safe and financially secure as if that's an asset but yet it conflicts with the dating marketplace incentives: A man who barely outearns her isn't allowed to see her income or karate black belt as an asset to make him "feel" safe. If anything, she'll be pulling a Cato in The Pink Panther films to shit test him all the time.
If a man is able to cook and clean for himself, why would he want to take the financial risk of wifing up a SAH wife who could demand lifetime support for the "lifestyle to which she has become accustomed?" Ironically, men are also raising our expectations as well!
This woman is also dishonest with herself and us about what she "brings to the table". She claims it's "femininity" we so crave, which would be, well, a nurturing mother wouldn't it? But instead, she utilizes masculine extortion/force by cutting off sexual access like a boss: "Do this or I won't let you continue try to have sex with me". She wants to believe that "she", as a person, is what the men crave and not merely engaging in transactional sex extortion.
In her other videos, she complains about a lack of a boyfriend which says a lot. Most men, including myself, were happy to "commit" to being a boyfriend in that we'd spend time with her, call ourselves the label, and "see how it goes" because it's not marriage after all. For her to not have ever had a boyfriend despite being reasonably attractive when covered with a LOT of makeup suggests she's so insufferable, or overdemanding. After all, technically, if she isn't getting laid because the hot guys don't want to even call themselves her "boyfriend" for a month or two, she's an "incel" as well. Most "incels" can get sex if they travel to somewhere there are affordable brothels or, in my case, lost my virginity to single mothers and MILFs.
Sure, she can get sexual attention but so can I. I can go to The Redlight District in Amsterdam and flirt with the professionals who will express an interest in me. The difference is I wouldn't do this because I respect those women's time and energy.
We're in an era now when the "game" that I had in in the 1980's, or my father in 1958, is insufficient. Sure, you can bring flowers to this woman on a date like the other 50 (or so!) men who paid for her time, but she'll simply "expect" it and want Chad anyway.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 23h ago
Heh, rule 1 is actually "no shaming men for any reason". We can shame the women in the posts all day.
He's coming close to the line on rule 1, but it's not quite there.
However, @throwaway415, you are treading really close to a violation of Rules 2 & 3, which involve white knighting and saying things like "she's not asking for much" etc.
throwaway415 20h ago
good points. my intention wasn't to shame anyone or to justify this woman's behavior but rather just pointing out the parallel between what she said and the established red pill understanding of the conditional nature of a woman's "love". I certainly don't think a woman like her is worth investing in
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 16h ago
I appreciate your sentiment. I want to write up something detailed between "Game" in terms of immediate, microeconomics (getting laid via any means possible) and the John Nash economic theory of cooperation: ethics in business whereby men see each other not solely as competitors, but rather as comrades.
One aspect of Game reminds me of smoking: That even smokers say they don't want to be in a smoke filled room but ideally, just want themselves to be the only one or two smokers in it. Does Game, particularly at a macro level, ruin women as they come to expect unrealistic approaches from men as well as fail to respect the men making the approaches?
As you put it, men need "strong" game but that's like say, starting playing a video game at level 33. In the spirit of cooperation above, I found that attempts to "start out" easy, by hitting on plain looking women, was the worst idea because these women were highly overgamed and had bad attitudes.
Look at the dating apps. Yeah, artificial and all that, but much like a club skank who gets approached by dozens of men in an evening, she'll be insufferable by evening's end. I didn't flood spam women on the apps or IRL. We need to think about the impacts of our behavior not just on ourselves but the world around us.
I'm reminded of my father, RIP, 50 years ago on a fishing day he threw a small fish he caught into the grass. I was shocked. He said: "I don't want to catch it a dozen times so this saves a lot of time!" That fish later could grow up for someone else to catch, but to save himself time he wasted it.
Women, to their credit, although they take this to excess, will destroy perfectly good romantic prospects to conform to The Sisterhood Rules: A guy doesn't enthusiastically pick up the check so she "offers" and if he accepts her willingness to pay her way, she throws the relationship in the trash. Many wind up "gaming" themselves into bad relationships with some loser who did pay as I know this happened with at least 2 women I know but the overall effect is undeniable: Men in my era were usually shamed into "enjoying" paying because they had been trained to "insist" upon paying.
So the challenge of Game, for me, was learning to not make the world around me a worse place, and yet also get my own needs addressed, and in some cases do both but it takes a LOT of insight and I had to learn all of this as I went along.
Fortunately, we live in an era when men know more about women and the system than any time in a century so I think women now are increasingly getting outgamed by the men who choose to play assuming, of course, they are situated. It depends upon the metro region, etc. whether there's women worth bothering.
wswZtyqNGQ 1h ago
To keep with your analogy: does the existence of full time jobs ruin self-employed businessmen? The answer is clearly NO since such people do exist. Everyone knows that they could work either as an employee or self-employed, with the later more hassle and paperwork but could scale up to riches faster. Each worker chooses his path based on his skills and the market. There is no ruination happening since this is a continuous choice each worker makes.
Women are not ruined by "game". They choose drama over commitment and motherhood. Blaming "game" is their excuse when they see the bad outcomes of their shitty choices. But it's their decision to choose those bad outcomes. Women have agency and so reap what they sew. Infantilizing women will not improve anything.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3d ago
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone? Not to the Reddit Site!!!
Please post this to the Reddit Site for I cannot!
If one of you doesn't post to the Reddit site, you're self-inflicting loneliness!
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 3d ago
1) "Shower me with gifts!"
2) "Your existence should revolve around me, get used to it!"
3) "I'm so jealous that everyone around me is pairing up, but I refuse to lower my standards!"
4) "No matter how much I try, I can't turn Chad into a beta, so it's back to the carousel for me!"
My question is, where did all the REAL women go?
Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Modern society isn't exactly suitable for raising genuine good wife candidates anymore.
Lostandhound 2d ago
For me the most valuable observation was when she almost with disgust but cheerful disgusts shows the flowers but then proceeds to advertise it as her standard.
There is quite few inconsistencies in this vids to the point if feels like she has made up a story to hunt provider.
Nevertheless disgust at flowers is real.
She reminds me me my butterface cousin that married beta from North America.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 2d ago
I get the impression she was pleased and flabbergasted with the flowers and if the video ended there, she would have gotten a better reception. If she had said she wanted him to call again or even, gasp, suggested doing something nice for him such as cooking a lunch, it would have been heartwarming.
What blew up the internet was that she responded with raised entitlement and shaming of men which is a RP educational teaching moment, isn't it? "Raise the Bar!" and buy them expensive dinners when a coffee will do, and they'll only become more demanding and ambivalent.
By her own admission, she's in her early 20's and had 50 dates which is more than many of us had by our 30's and yet her "table" remains unoccupied. Even if she's not technically an incel, she's either an inspin or someone's side chick and she's not getting any younger.
Lostandhound 1d ago
my reading of her expression in the flowers presentation moment is different. I have called it cheerful disgust but better description is: tamed disgust with a smile, but then having TT updates on her dating life is not a sign of healthy person so, there is that, I really had a hard time to finish watching these vids.
We agree on that she is done either way.
NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Sorry Flowerboy, she was never in it for you or your family. She was only ever going to post pictures of your purchase to show off the attention she got from you to trade it for even more attention from random people. This was never going to turn out well, and Trollface wasn't worth it anyway.
As an aside: If you're thinking of buying flowers for a girl, don't. In fact, don't buy them anything unless you are married to them. Even then, watch it. Never get a woman her own phone. Never let her on social media unsupervised. You have been warned.
After 24 years of living near the poverty level in income, I am blessed with a wife who understands loyalty and who is so frugal most of you would call her absurd. She is thankful for even small things like a working phone or the fish I catch her.
OTOH Trollface has wasted thousands of hard-earned dollars from 50 men in one year with nothing to show for it except a tally and vague resolutions to be more selective and picky.
No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 2d ago
Attention for women is quite the commodity these days.