Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 4mo ago Stickied
OP @Seagram7 (and everyone else):
Most of you probably missed this announcement over at the lesser platform, but for future reference:
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Here's a thought experiment. Imagine you are an inventor. You invent a widget, which has features A, B and C.
Nobody will buy your product. You spend more and more time and money on advertising. Still nobody wants your product. You borrow money, to do more advertising. You keep going for years. You eventually get an interview on a TV show about inventors and their products.
"So, have you sold any of your products?"
"NO! It's just so crazy. My product as A, B and C! It's so amazing. I can't believe nobody wants it!"
"But if nobody has bought it, it must be that nobody wants features A, B and C."
"That simply cannot be correct. Features A, B and C are amazing! My product is amazing!"
"But nobody has bought it? And to be honest, its not new anymore, it came out more than 20 years ago. It looks a bit faded. There are plenty of newer products on the market, which seem to sell very well. In fact, most of them are sold out. So there must be something wrong with your product?"
HOW DARE YOU!!! MY PRODUCT IS AMAZING!!! THE BUYERS ARE WRONG!!!
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Here's the thing...it isn't impossible to find a partner.
She can't find the kind of man she feels she deserves, because she still sees herself as a hot young thing that has all the options in the world. The real impossibility is getting her to adjust her standards to fit her reality.
As another user noted, if there are two options in a zero-sum equation and one is even slightly better than the other it renders the worse option useless. Why would the kind of man that she wants choose her when she is a worse option than he likely has access to?
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
I don’t believe she can’t find a boyfriend. The thirst is real. There are guys out there now that will wife her up, except they are not Chad. The thing is, she can find a man, but not the same man she was getting at her youth. Women decide which men get sex but men decide which women get married - and she's fucked. Plenty guys would be willing to fuck her but she wants to settle down now, plus those who would settle for her, I mean she has a house, she most likely rejects as she thinks she deserves a 10/10 guy
Her standards is popular handsome Chad 9/10 who pumped and dumped her when she was a drunk 20 year old. All the men she would like already settled down in their 30s with a sweetheart, only the scraps are left. Unfortunate, but it is what it is. It's not only an age thing. She probably has an insufferable personality that gives the ick to every half-decent man she comes across. She'd benefit greatly not from lowering standards but by becoming more graceful. Accepting that men are not perfect either, just as she isn't. Her definition of boyfriend is top tier men and men like that don't want an over 40 hag. She would have zero problems with a normal man but that's not good enough for her.
Women are only ever single because they are too picky. If you replace "boyfriend" with "Chad," it makes sense. She's mad she can't pull the top 10% of men anymore
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Pretty much. The top tier of women are settled by their 20’s and the top tier of men are settled by their 30’s. In the 40’s, the men will consist of
So yes, almost all of the men that are “husband material” and interested are either off the market, or outside of her price range.
My wife celebrated her 30th birthday yesterday. I took her to an excellent steakhouse, got her a nice present, and we’re even going to do a thing with her family tomorrow. I met her in her mid 20’s. If we met 15 years down the line, she likely would not be my wife because I’d either already be married, or not interested in a woman facing down menopause
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
You rang?
Goingthedistance 4mo ago
You forget the upcoming top tier men in their 30's that never forgot how they got rejected in their 20's and now only go for younger and agreeable women, especially for settling down.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Hey, that was me. The best part is that the women my age who rejected guys like me constantly, they still rejected me. Holding out for GigaChad until the bitter end.
Goingthedistance 4mo ago
Tell me you went for the younger-ish crowd that actually wanted you.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Of course. Would be foolish to stick with those who had their chance
Goingthedistance 4mo ago
How big of an age gap if I may ask?
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 4mo ago
Men don't care if you have a delicious house and cook big food, you're not young and desirable. What did you do in your 20s and 30s?
You look like a plastic doll, too.
AsianDude 4mo ago
Can you imagine walking into a restaurant with self-declared 'delicious food' and walking out 50% poorer, losing your house, and stuck with alimony payments for the rest of your life? Oh don't forget to tack on child support payments for kids that may not be yours if you order dessert.
Yeah, the 'delicious food' just ain't worth the risk lolz.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
Minor (fun) quibble: There are men such as me who love great cooking from women and my wife's love of cooking is quite endearing to me. But here's the thing: Such women above don't present this during the initial stages of courtship. They expect men to "cook" for them by taking her out on a dinner date. This signals to men that the only thing she brings to the table are her youth and beauty, literally.
Next, this "Have a big house" thing. Few people actually "have" a big house. They have bank debt on a home. And, again, paying for a date means that any assets she brings only ups the ante on what she demands from him.
My wife's single friends bemoan their situation and I tell her that I could probably provide them with invaluable advice if they asked me, but they never do and I don't force it upon them. Heck, let 'em suffer. I'd tell them that if they offered to cook a guy a picnic lunch at the park, he bring a bottle of wine, she'd be able to charm a lot of men. Or bring a thank-you card to a date. One BP father was shocked at that suggestion. I resisted the temptation to tell him that he pimps his daughter out for her to get free meals.
These women's gripes remind me of the classic Steve Martin skit of him standing on an escalator and crying: "I've been stuck on this thing for 2 hours!"
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 4mo ago
But that's like, pAtRiaRCHy or something. They deserve the best, step up
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
A dear friend of mine (RIP) has a daughter whose 22 and I offered to give her advice to get the kind of man that she wants and she certainly needs it. She looks like him (and not in a good way) and has a tall, masculine build. I simply proposed that she might have a tough time playing the sleeping-beauty princess game for a prince to get her.
But she said, more or less, she wants the fairy tale. Her sister had a guy who was helping her father do some home renovations, asked her out, courted her, and then got married. Nevermind that the marriage didn't work out, that's what she wants: ZERO effort on her part. The prince MUST climb through the tower window.
These fairy tales were a joke, not meant to apply to most serving wench women back in the era when they were written in that women back then usually were cleaning our piss buckets. Walt Disney's corpse ought to be taken out of cryo storage and shot. He's messed up generations of women.
Highly recommend the Polish film "With Fire and Sword" based upon the Nobel Prize winning book series by Henryk Sienkiewicz. It's a grand tale of romantic chivalry but also full of plenty of bloody battles that Conan the Barbarian fans can enjoy. Did I mention pretty girls with big hair? (On their heads, dirty mind!) What I love about it is that it portrays the majority of women in the true role they were back then: Serving wenches.
THAT'S the Polish knight I model myself after. If she doesn't have a father with huge tracts of land... she's just a serving wench.
Please watch it. If you need, have a few drinks first but you'll need to read subtitles.
NotaBene Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
My wife is my serving wench, I love her and that word. Wench, wench, wench.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Upvoting purely for the hidden monty python reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPX-mW4l1rU
Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
That is what I find so incredulous: Ladies, what have you been doing for the last 20 years? Those are your BEST years to find and secure a man for commitment and resources and you literally piss away your youth and fertility and for what???
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
and for what??? To ride the cc.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Any woman who isn’t ugly (and this girl seems not ugly, she’s at least managed to stay thin at 40) has so many plate appearances. In baseball terms, they’re like a team who purposely strikes out for the first 8 innings and then spends the 9th inning swinging for the fences in a desperate attempt to catch up
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
great analogy.
DextroShade 4mo ago
She could probably get with a significantly older dude who is divorced and done having children, but she would have to settle and submit.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 4mo ago
She could have also gotten a dude who was significantly better than that, except she'd have to change her behavior very slightly. NO THANK YOU, patriarchy!
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
My wife's single friends often lament their situation and I tell her that if they asked me for advice, they could significantly improve their situation. As the saying goes about gangster films: "Fear the old man in a profession where men usually die young". I landed a cutie such as her so perhaps I might have wisdom to impart? I don't fret about it. Their loss.
Women simply do not WANT good advice. I just stumbled across an advice column (it's GOLD for content to post here!) and a guy gave an aging single mother some very useful, kind, advice. It was flooded with women trying to pull her off the path. This is cut-and-pasted from the page:
"I think it’s a bit unfair to suggest XXXX has to change her type just to clinch someone. That is like urging someone to settle which no-one should do."
When women ask for "advice", they want to hear "You shouldn't do anything, you're perfect and they're bad. Just give up and die because you're so great!" or "Perhaps do something you already like doing, such as changing your hair color or a new outfit!"
These women are in love with the sleeping-beauty paradigm. They want to be princesses who do NOTHING to earn men. THEY are a prize born perfect. Change is for beta males to "put in effort" (their words) for her but it's a pity they regard such men as pathetic betas they don't want to sleep with anyway. We are in the midst of multiple generations of damaged women.
NotaBene Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 4mo ago
I hate that video so fucking much. Well, not the video itself, but the scenario it presents.
I understand women are built differently and talking things through is part of how they operate, but if there's a direct solution to your problem literally staring you in the face and you refuse to take action because you'd rather bitch and moan and seek validation for how much you're suffering, I have nothing but contempt for you as an individual.
NotaBene Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Yep that's sort of the point, but it also works with "normal" people to at least make them laugh a bit about women without feeling guilty.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
I see more and more post like hers. What you might call 'inspin tears'.
She (and others like her) are just looking for attention and validation. The posts always end with a question.
She just wants other women to post reassuring nonsense. Let me help her out:
StrongWoman 4mo ago
I am still rather new to the whole TRP-thing and really new to this community, so I am still processing the lesson(s), so to speak. I cannot understand why somebody would post something like the person in the photo did, given this is legit and not "fake". What is the benefit from this "reassuring nonsense" for her? I understand, that it feels good when it happens, but I am wondering though if "they" (all stronk weemyns that post "questions" like that) are consciously planning this to receive this type of reassurance and encouragement, or if it is really just an actual question. Btw, how can I edit my replies with regards to formatting, bullet-points etc.?
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
INTYQ - she is not getting the attention from men that she used to.
Women LIVE for validation and attention. Which is why they incessantly take selfies and post them online.
So, after the male attention dies out, they often just pivot to using social media to get likes and comments. Her post is typical of the genre - she will be looking to get dozens of comments all of which say things like
NotaBene Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Heh, I love the fake cheerleading. Which is exactly what all her friends have done her whole life. Reminds me of KS just getting fed up and yelling "You're right, you're right" until they stop talking.
We're going to be seeing a lot more inspin tears in the years to come.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 4mo ago
She's never had a boyfriend, yet she's seen hundreds of dicks and is as jaded about men as that Valerie meth-whore chick in "Breaking Bad".
No-Stress-Cat 4mo ago
She chose the career path. Wanted to be The Man. Now her only options are a feminized beta male or cats. She should have learned how to be a wife 30 years ago.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
It's like they think men don't realize that the only reason a woman her age is wanting to get married is because the free shit gravy train for being young and hawt has dried up and she does not want to work until retirement like a man has to.
If a woman wants an easy retirement, she needs to invest her youth Into getting and keeping a decent man. Otherwise she ends up the living last half of her life alone and having to pay for it herself.
Which if that outcome is what she wants, great, but it's pretty clear from all the caterwauling that it isn't so for most women. Guess they should have chosen the path of a something other than a dickless pseudo-male instead.
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
This kind of post annoys me, because its grade-A femBait. The dour expression, the hint of about-to-lose-it pouty lips, eyes half-lidded because "Oh Em Gee, how did a lonely little girl get to this waaaah" pose.
Its a depleted uranium slug designed to bore right into the heart of men.
Naturally, we see what is going on here. There are unanswered questions, such as "What the fuck were you doing all this time", but we'll never get a reply to that. I can picture the scenario this pic was taken in. She drove to a store (probably in a car she got from a prior relationship), in one of those run-of-the-mill mini malls that dot the highway.
Maybe she had to get something for the house - after all, she doesn't have a man to take care of that stuff, so after paying (omg, women should never pay!!) she walked back to the car and plunked down in the seat to take a photo.
Tough shit, sweetie.
You bought the bullshit of women not needing a man, focusing on yourself, 'de-centering' men from your life (unless you were horny one night), and generally just being a complete waste of a female.
If men truly ditched all women, and economically "lay flat" and did the bare minimum, the entire economy would be fucked. Women depend on men a lot more than they realize. Honestly, I hope it gets to that so that future women heed the warning. I'm enjoying the decline. I could swoop in and make sure she never worked another day in her life, but I'm not going to.
Consider it "Entitled Bitch" tax.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 4mo ago
As much as they ever have, really, it's just been obfuscated behind government programs.
maseboogie Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Maybe it's because, oh I don't know, you come off like a DUDE saying this!?
Let's flip the caption a bit shall we?
I'll be 41 on Monday and the caption modification is me except for two things:
1) "Am I really that bad?" To quote Leo: "Absolutely fucking not!" Scratched and clawed in my 20s, put it together in my 30s, and now enjoying the fruits of my labor in this glorious decade (A lot of OG elders said that 40s for men is fun as hell, and I fully understand that now)!
2) It's not impossible for me to find a girlfriend. It's just not worth it. Once women cross that 28 year-old bridge and find themselves still single, they've already had their Sex and the City adventures/Bargain Bin Brazzers escapades and expect you to a) Be oblivious about it, b) Accept it, and/or c) Not use it to judge her and wife her up ASAP. I dealt with my age bracket hitting me with the Heisman pose in our 20s whenever I tried to initiate dating. Nothing worse than getting the "If we're still single by age 35, we should get married!" line and believing it. Now? I've gone from loving women to understanding them and the same ones who got me to believe the "In the end, nice guys win" bullshit are wondering why I completely cut them out of my life. It's a wonderful time in my life!
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
I was bummed when I turned 30. Now I’ll be 40 in a few years and you know what? Bring it on. I’ll probably have a few young kids. I’m in good shape and could easily pursue hockey or rugby as a sport. I have money and a resume that makes recruiters excited to speak to me. What else do I need?
Of course, this girl might have attributes like that, too. Difference is, that doesn’t impress our gender. And she needs social validation to feel good about herself. Sucks to suck.
AlwaysStoic 4mo ago
How many decent men with a solid career and to use her words, a big house, did she ditch, cheat on and reject in her 20s? I'm sure she was holding out for a bigger house than whatever the men had. Whatever was on offer was never enough as she waited for the CEO or billionaire to come along and whisk her away. She overestimated her worth (as all women do in their 20s) and never realised that no man with options would get into a long term relationship with her in her late 30s. And trust me, this 'I cook delicious food' is a brag. She wouldn't actually cook delicious meals for her boyfriend. After all, she is the sort who has been brainwashed into thinking that making coffee for the boss is empowerment while cooking for family/boyfriend/husband is 'oppression'. Time to dive into the bottom of the vodka bottle bitch.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
So do lots of women, and I'm within delivery range of hundreds of restaurants that also make delicious stuff (if I feel like cheating on my diet). I could also buy a meal prep program that basically sends me the meals and gives me moron proof instructions on how to prepare it. It's a bonus that you can cook, but it's not everything
So you're the man you've always wanted? Cool. If you're dealing with a dude who doesn't have money and doesn't own property, he'd probably be excited by that. If you're dealing with a dude who does have money and owns property, he isn't going to care. If anything, it's a lot more simple for a dude to date a woman who doesn't own a house, if he's taking her seriously at least. There's no debate if he decides that he'd like to build a life with her; she's moving in to his home. Now if he's with a woman that owns a home, there's an argument on where they're going to live. On the bright side, at least this one won't push to move in within a few months of dating.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago
Literally the only reason to "date" her. She has no ready made excuse for pushing for cohabitation since she can clearly support herself. Just throw some dick into her periodically and go back to your own place in peace instead of being caged in with her inevitable BS.
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Well, this expired Paris Hilton really needs a time machine. She needs to go back to her 20's and give herself some tough advice.
To be honest though, if given a time machine all she would do is relive her 20's on loop. She would not make any effort to improve her younger self.
Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 4mo ago
Sure, one more thing for her to ignore.
Justanaverageguy 4mo ago
I guarantee you she’s on every “are we dating the same guy” page on Facebook and posts regularly on them.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 4mo ago
I need to infiltrate my local one. I've seen guys i know on my female friends one. They showed it to me. Luckily i wasn't on it
Justanaverageguy 4mo ago
I was on my local one but get this, it wasn’t from me being in dating apps because I’m not on them. No, it was an old crazy ex from 2009 still peeking a lie about her getting pregnant and it being mine even though she was cheating on me at the time with a drug addict and she was a drug addict herself (which is why we broke up). I have heard complaints from women that guys retaliated and contacted their jobs to inform them that they were being slandered and didn’t appreciate it. I don’t know what happened but to me that’s fair game, you want to slander someone don’t be surprise when they strike back at you.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 4mo ago
Damn that's crazy
Justanaverageguy 4mo ago
Oh it is. I mean who in their right mind would share something so personal like that to a bunch of strangers? She was trying to make me look bad by telling half the story but she made herself look even more stupid. AWDTSG is going to be the downfall of women. They might slander and out a lot of men along the way but I can see it already heading in a bad direction for them.
Acela_nextel 4mo ago
For 40 she looks good ngl
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
Have a close look at the area around her eyes, where the crows feet would normally be. You can see that it looks extra smudged.
Ai is making filters much, much better. Filters 10 years ago would just adjust 'global settings', like colour tone, highlights, contrast etc, regardless of what was in the picture. Ai powered filters know what a face is, knows where the wrinkles are, and applies cloning and healing tools. What you used to have to do in photoshop with a re-toucher is now down with a filter in an iPhone.
Also, look under the eyes - there are very clear patches of clumsy Ai retouching going on. The bits which are much lighter are basically cloned from another part of her face, overlaid, and then healing brush applied.
The lips have also been helped.
It's possible that you would not actually recognise this woman from her photo if you met her in real life.
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago
This is true. There are tools out there that you can run on your own machine, or online sites that can alter any photo significantly. Hell, if you take a single pic and throw it through a Stable Diffusion model, it will do its best to 'glamorize' it as its drawing from every single female face it has been trained on.
Video isn't any better, and there are things out there that can do that as well. Basically you can't trust a single fucking thing until you meet one of these women in person, though I'm sure the chatting phase can help vet them, but again, you can fake voices with AI models too, lol.