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Forums.Red / WhereAreAllTheGoodMen / Strong Independent Woman (see mod sticky)

"Should I find a wealthy man who wants to have kids with a 37 year old 'independent' woman like me, or go the sperm donor route?"
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MelkorHimself

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Quick-Somewhere-6474 3y ago

She's probably being hypergamous considering her job the average man isnt even gonna come close to coming close to her "standards" or demands to be specific

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omegajelly200 3y ago

Imagine working in a 99% male environment and STILL she is single AF.

Hypergamy knows no satiation. The more men they get to fuck the more they refuse to settle.

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ThatNights 3y ago

I usually dont comment here but can someone tell me what a kubernetes admin is? is she a computer science major? I'm choosing majors next year and I'd fucking love to make 250k at 40

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eddydbod 3y ago

What k8s admin makes 230k?

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oxyoxyboi 3y ago

Emmanuel Macron… she can thank me later

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Responsible_Song_771 3y ago

Buy a dog,die alone (dont bring a kid into the world if he is at a major dissadvantage and prone to failure).

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Bensen89 3y ago

Sry but where can I get such a "side hustle"

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NGG_Dread 3y ago

As if any man who has a net worth of 2m+ is going to be seeking a 37 year old... She could probably find some miracle man who is, but I feel as though that would be super hard to do.

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SuperbClick 3y ago

That man is in his 50s or 60s though.

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thisisnotyourconcern 3y ago

Dear women: Men don't care about your career.

If any ladies are reading this, all you need to do is not be fat, be under 30 (35 in some instances, though I wouldn't recommend this) and don't bring other man's children to the arrangement.

Most men are fine with this. As long as you work at something, we're not really fussed at what.

Edit: Onlyfans doesn't count!

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anonstuff25 3y ago

It’s not even that. Men with money aren’t really looking for women with money, they’re looking for women to provide them with things they might lack (youth, beauty, etc.) That’s why rich men either tend to date young models or are already settled down with the women who stood by them during their struggle.

I’m sure this 37 year old could get herself a sugar baby if she wanted but there’s no way in hell a rich man will settle down with her unless he’s 70+ (though she might be too old for him too!)

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heyyy-kiddo 3y ago

If she'd be reasonable she could find a 40-50 year old, blue collar man that gets a medium income like everyone else.

Nowadays though even those men dodge the 35+ year olds since at their age I guess playing Russian rullete with your house is not fun.

If she lowers her standards and is willing to truly marry a man she'd have options.She wants a man in the same financial situation as her and this already is a deal breaker for men too, if you are not the bread winner the wife will see you as a scourge most of the times.

Her best bet was to marry before 30.

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cautionTomorrow555 3y ago

I fought my way out of poverty tooth claw and nail to make good money and women either ignored me during it or if they were willing to date me treated me badly. Why should I accept them now that their looks have faded and they bring less to the table because they are old aka they are now at their worst when they wouldn't take me at my worse? If one woman stuck with me in my corner during my struggle and helped me out or cheered for me I would have given the world for her. She would not have to have a job and I would treat her as amazingly as I could, but women weren't there for that so now I look at them from a purely transactional viewpoint and frankly the numbers I am seeing and how bad American women are I think I am better off staying single.

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ericneo3 3y ago

If one woman stuck with me in my corner during my struggle and helped me out or cheered for me I would have given the world for her.

Too close to home.

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cautionTomorrow555 3y ago

Be under 30 or sometimes 35, don't have another mans kids, be somewhat pleasant and don't be a bitch, be loyal, make him feel wanted or appreciated in the relationship, and some guys don't want you to be fat are the kind of things I see guys wanting but women act like we are asking for the moon especially the don't be a bitch thing. A good portion of guys are okay with you being fat and they still act like we are asking too much!

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BeholdTheHair 3y ago

Yup. My list is as follows:

  • No kids
  • Not fat
  • Pleasant company
  • Shares my values

That's it. That's all. Everything else can be taught.

And, to your point, "not fat" is somewhat negotiable. If a woman is cute, meets all my other criteria and is overweight but willing to make the changes and put in the effort necessary to slim down? I'm happy to help her do that.

"Not fat" doesn't mean X% body fat and not an ounce more, it just means not a fucking ham planet.

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cautionTomorrow555 3y ago

I don't mind fat as long as I am still attracted to them and it is not on the level of morbidly obese. The problem with this is just the two requirements of no kids and not morbidly obese already eliminates at least half of the women on online dating where I live. How can the number still be that high when it is just no kids and not morbidly obese? The worst part is most of the fat women have a worse personality than the average weight or hot women and think I am not good enough for them. You literally weigh more than I do and I am 6'2 200 and you get winded going up a single flight of stairs, but you think I am not in good enough shape for you? Women are insane.

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BeholdTheHair 3y ago

The problem with this is just the two requirements of no kids and not morbidly obese already eliminates at least half of the women on online dating where I live.

Same here, which is why I simply don't bother. 'Course, I'm also 5'8" so OLD is a waste of time for me anyway. Though I have toyed with downloading a few of the bigger OLD apps strictly to mine my area for content for us.

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polishknightusa 3y ago

Here's another way of putting it: I've worked in IT and if you're getting that money, you're earning it with long hours. There's a reason why there was the old fashioned Beaver family with the housewife at home: Someone has to have time and energy to look after a child. Even with daycare and school, evening time is spent helping them with homework, making sure they eat, and if you DON'T HEAR ANYTHING, that's when they're getting into maximum mischief. Walking dogs for relaxation may be pleasant for her, but this is NOTHING compared to a cranky child where you have to learn maximum game to figure out how to get to go to bed.

I suppose that my learning basic game to interact with women has been quite handy in wrangling a baby and toddler...

She's reached 37 and failed to find someone working in a field filled with high income men who typically lack defense game. Such women are typically either tomboys, entitlement princesses, married or have some other issue.

It fascinates me how my 5 year old daughter is so astute about my relationship between my wife and I. She may grow up to be a marriage counselor. What I mean by that is that children have particular affinity for understanding their parents' adult interactions and mimicking them to get what they want.

She's used to walking dogs for relaxation after 10 hour tech days? She has quite a surprise awaiting her...

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One-Move 3y ago

At nearly 40 the childbearing will destroy her, and care for a baby alone after she is used to sleep in and live alone

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FlowComprehensive390 3y ago

They're pretty much always entitlement princesses. Tech guys tend to love tomboys.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

I’m a tech guy and I’d much rather date a feminine women. Don’t feel like my girlfriend having more big D energy than my coworkers

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[deleted] 3y ago

I don't think tech guys love tomboys, it's true these tomboys are abundant in the tech male sphere, that's why by inertia things happen. But most tech guys would marry cute, feminine women.

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OddBelt987 3y ago

I'd argue that tomboys are more likely to share your interests.

Though it's important to check if she really shares those interests, or is just acting like it to snare you.

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Edom_Kolona 3y ago

Why have I not heard the term "defensive game" before? How is it defined? Where is it being discussed and defined?
Thanks in advance.

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polishknightusa 3y ago

I just said it that way. I'd say "defensive game" in the sense of avoiding being emotionally or financially manipulated by women. PUA game is primarily about getting women in the sack and hence, one doesn't really fret about whether a woman is out to take you to the cleaners in a divorce because you are primarily concerned about a particular objective. I think this is why so many PUA's get trapped in that their game has a set objective and once that's achieved, they don't emotionally know where to go from there.

"Defensive game" for men means avoiding being taken advantage of in a long-term relationship. It's interesting that men today need to be a lot like women a century ago to avoid being "taken advantage of".

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Edom_Kolona 3y ago

Thank you for the explanation.
BTW, awesome username. Love how it meshes with the flair. Poland has an impressive history of badassery.

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Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

I think this is why so many PUA's get trapped in that their game has a set objective and once that's achieved, they don't emotionally know where to go from there.

I think that is worthy of a post of it's own and had been discussed in other blogs. The fact that many of the great pioneers of PUA have fallen for their oneitis and been taken to the cleaners. Many like myself have asked how can that happen to a guy that has gamed so many women? One of the many answers is yours: they have so focused on game and bedding women, that they haven't emotionally matured to the next phase in life. It doesnt help that they were former Blue Pill guys with a romantic streak that still thought the right girl was just waiting for discovery by him.

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polishknightusa 3y ago

Here's another way of looking at it: In PUA game, you accept rejection from 100 women or so to get laid and know that it's temporary and move on. PUA is about decoupling from emotional attachment to women while simulating it nonetheless because women won't have sex with PUAs without a sense of emotional involvement. It's academy award level acting because the women don't even know it's a movie after it's over.

But relationships don't exist without some emotion so relationship game is about a consistent level of genuine emotion and keeping it from going over. It's about accepting there is no "soulmate" for us men in today's social-political climate. In the past, men were protected from the hazards of beta behavior "loving" their spouse unconditionally because he was alpha by law (she couldn't divorce him.) But without that in place, men have to ride this boat to stay in the middle between no emotion and "soul mate".

I would also like PUA game to this scenario to get an idea of the stress it induces: Imagine a job where you have to hang around with people you despise, but the job pays well. These are awful people, but you need to drink with them, laugh at their jokes, make them like you, and such. It's like being on a job interview, permanently. It's almost GOOD that a PUA has sex with one, and moves on, because not only fear of discovery but suppressing one's natural emotions take a toll on oneself and at least changing to another person breaks the subconscious emotional bonds that are actually harmful.

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silly_birb_Banned 3y ago

A dogsitter on the side when you have all that money? Very unlikely this is true.

Anyone earning that much would just have their own dog

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incarnate1 3y ago

Well if she's lying about one thing, who knows how many other things she's lying about? It's kind of sad that a large portion of Reddit has become a bunch of depressed people lying to other strangers about their life.

In the event that everything is true, the pure naivety leaves me feeling a bit sorry for her. 37 and you "eventually" want to have kids? All that wealth, and here she is on Reddit asking strangers for life advice.

There's two types of people that make a post like this - a liar or someone who's lonely and sad

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Texan2116 3y ago

I actually know via my Gf...a very well off lady, who does just this. She does not need the money at all. I think she loves animals, but does not want the full time responsibility of it.

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Blightning421 3y ago

Exactly

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CarpAndTunnel 3y ago

Shes a meiser

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PirateDocBrown 3y ago

Yeah, I smelled that on her shoe, too.

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Oxynewbdone 3y ago

She also volunteers as a mod for r/antiwork

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smurfkiller013 3y ago

And wants to teach philosophy one day

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benethorpl 3y ago

nah, the 230k is realistic for a senior sysadmin. I'm a senior devops(with CCNP, CKA, RHCSA and a few AWS certs) in Poland, and I'm making 170k, despite having a strict policy of rejecting offers from openly leftist companies.

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ThatNights 3y ago

What college major do you need to work that?

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benethorpl 3y ago

don't know, don't care. I've got none. Never really tried college. I've started learning as a kid, using 80s computer magazines and a C64. Then I've switched to C, then the internet happened so during high school I've learned HTML, PHP and SQL, then I've leveled up to python and learned a lot about ops work. Then I took the certs I felt I wanted.

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tiernach 3y ago

A K8s admin/architect can make that much. There are certain aspects of IT that pay a shocking amount of money. At 37 she probably has 10-15 years experience under her belt.

The dog walking thing is not as weird as it sounds either. She probably works from home and probably in a downtown city building and walks neighbors dogs to help them out on her lunch breaks. They probably pay her just because they feel bad letting her do it for free.

The real tragedy is if she were a guy she would be killing it. But she is a woman and guys don't care and are even a bit put off by her career success.

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eddydbod 3y ago

extremely rare. I don't know a single k8s admin that makes 200k. Lots and lots in the 100k range.

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tiernach 3y ago

I know a lot in the very high 100s and low 200s depending on how their stock options work out.

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eddydbod 3y ago

what part of the country?

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tiernach 3y ago

Given who I work for that doesn't matter. We are a global company and they normalize pay across the country not regionally inside the US.

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tiernach 3y ago

Given who I work for that doesn't matter. We are a global company and they normalize pay across the country not regionally inside the US.

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eddydbod 3y ago

thank. I'll be a bit more agro with my raise demands :P

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tiernach 3y ago

Get that money!

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incarnate1 3y ago

It's almost like men and women are different. Unfortunate for her to not realize this.

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cryptothrow2 3y ago

There are people in China hired from deepmind on $1.5mm a year. You'd be rich on $100k a year in China

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Jihocech_Honza 3y ago

are even a bit put off by her career success

I once read a book of Jewish wisdom and the part about marriage was something like "the husband has to bring a lifestyle the wife is used from her father´s household". The feminist will cry about "insecurity" and the romantics about "love", but we know subconciously, that it is right.

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tiernach 3y ago

That and it's always in their nature to date "up". At $225k a year that narrows the field tremendously and dudes pulling that in have their choice of younger women. It will be difficult for her to meet someone she will be compatible with. Like winning the lottery.

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benethorpl 3y ago

I can't imagine any IT degree doesn't require enough math skills

the thing with IT is you don't really need a degree

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ThatNights 3y ago

don't you need a computer science/computer engineering degree?

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LordSteinerTheBoss 3y ago

no

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benethorpl 3y ago

I don't have any college education. In IT, hard skills(aka hands on cetificates and a portfolio of your own projects) are more valuable than theoretical papers

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PM_ME_UR_SLAV 3y ago

Can you explain this 4% thing?

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Admirable_Bee_8714 3y ago

4% rule of investing. Means when you are ready to start drawing from your retirement it is ideal to live on just 4% a year. Which means if your return is 8% or 10% you really have not touched your principle and it continues to grow - basically the idea is to ensure that your money lasts beyond your lifetime.

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biccat 3y ago

It's a rough rule of thumb.

You can net 8% return in the market. (+8%)

Inflation takes 4% per year. (-4%)

If you take out 4% per year, then your net worth has a net 0% growth.

There are calculators online that can give you a more detailed analysis, but it's a pretty safe approach.

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PM_ME_UR_SLAV 3y ago

Thanks!

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PM_ME_UR_SLAV 3y ago

What investments get 7-8% I am in Canada btw if that changes it.

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cope_seethe_dilate_ 3y ago

Index funds typically return 8-10% annually

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Funny_Wolverine_9 3y ago

Fired @ 35, so kind of know what I'm talking about

Care to explain how?

I've been divorce raped and literally lost everything while I was on my path to FIRE :-(

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Profitglutton Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

How were you able to get the lawyer to go after her degree? I’m not even sure what that would look like. Can you explain the agreement there? I’m guessing you were able to deduct what you would have been forced to give her in the divorce decree by the amount you spent on her degree.

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Funny_Wolverine_9 3y ago

You're a motivation for divorce-raped guys like me who lost everything by showing that it is possible to rebuild back. I am in debt currently but hopefully can claw my way back :-S

Thanks for sharing your story and wishing you the best in your future. More men need to wake up and smell the roses.

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Funny_Wolverine_9 3y ago

Thanks! Where I live it's not that easy but appreciate your advice.

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jymssg 3y ago

I'd use $100 as tp if I was pulling over 200k a year

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we_B_jamin 3y ago

You would be suprised how quickly it gets eaten up by taxes, alimony, child support, rent, retirement savings, lifestyle.

I work as a tax accountant, and have a number of clients who earn $300K+ that barely have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

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DoTheSnoopyDance 3y ago

Sure, if she’s dating men who are way out of her range but are relatively poor compared to her, of course they’re only with her for her money. If she “shopped” in her dating range, then she’d find some good man who would respect her for her and love her for her, with just a little bit of filtering to make sure the guy wasn’t out for a payday from the start. But alas, she’ll never lower her standards (even to a realistic range).

Instead, she’s gonna start that kid off with the best chance of failure, with no father and a pre-made broken home.

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boomershack 3y ago

She's in debt

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[deleted] 3y ago

So much for the bullshit "Women are Fine with Being Breadwinners" they keep spewing.

Women are just fine with marrying men who outearn them and administering their husbands' assets which means they have access to all the money.

Women are NOT AT ALL fine with marrying men who earn less than they do and giving those men access to their funds.

Women want men's money and demand that men share their money, so they can spend their men's money as if it is theirs.

But women will NEVER EVER share their money with a man and let him spend it as if it is his.

Breadwinning for thee, but not for me. I get to share your money, but you men keep your grubbies off MY money.

Hypocrites.

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APathWellTraveled 3y ago

I'm always skeptical when people claim large amounts of income but don't seem to understand numbers very well.

Assuming she worked right out of college she would have to have made 133,333$ a year net gain after taxes (age 22-37) to reach her "2m networth". This net gain would have to be after expenses and investments, just the net average she would have to gain per year until age 37. According to ZipRecruiter a kubernetes admin as of 2022 in America makes 104k(before taxes). She could not have had had this role for more than a few years as this is a newer company (2014), and if the salary is 104k now you can assume it was much lower the further years you go back.

If it possible? Sure. But whenever I read these income claims I just laugh a bit because its unlikely.

The cost of raising a child is easy to estimate, that shouldn't be difficult, a basic google search u can be in the ballpark.

This seems like a "I can't get a man" type of rant, with exaggerated finances. If she really wanted she wouldn't worry about his "finances".

Also as other commenters have already pointed out, men DGAF about her career.

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benethorpl 3y ago

I'm always skeptical when people claim large amounts of income but don't seem to understand numbers very well.

not in IT. I'm a senior devops, making 170k a year. Never even tried college. Ok, I did try, but I've quit after a month, specifically because I didn't feel like studying five flavours of math and a fuckton of outdated theory that I'd likely never use. Never been a math person. And lo and behold, even though I've worked as software dev for major companies in Europe, developing math-heavy applications, not even once have I needed linear algebra.

Also, in the last two years, salaries in IT went absolutely wild. As in, at least in Europe, they're almost doubled since mid-2020.

Assuming she worked right out of college she would have to have made 133,333$ a year net gain after taxes (age 22-37) to reach her "2m networth".

she probably counts house loan as asset instead of a liability

This seems like a "I can't get a man" type of rant, with exaggerated finances.

yeah, more like "I can't get a billionaire" rant

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OddBelt987 3y ago

Keep in mind that the housing market has significantly elevated homeowner's net worth over the past couple of years. I was pushed into "millionaire" net worth last year simply because the value of my home has almost tripled since I bought it. (not that I can do anything to take advantage of it... gotta keep a roof over my head)

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NetherIndy 3y ago

On the numbers bit, just because she has a well-paying career and presumably saves most of it (since she's citing FIRE concepts), doesn't mean she didn't also inherit a decent bit somewhere along the line. A quarter-mil 10 years back or a half-mil 5 years back would make it quite plausible.

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PM_ME_UR_SLAV 3y ago

If you did inherit money whats a good way to invest it?

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APathWellTraveled 3y ago

37 is a bit young to inherit, but there's always possibility, I guess.

Lets say she did inherit 250k 10 years ago, assuming she spent 0$ and invested all of it (again, unlikely), at 7% (modest returns) that's just 491k.

To me the red flag was the exaggeration about salary (position she cited was less than half what she claimed she makes). Once you start to notice the holes people make in income posts, it becomes glaringly obvious and easier to spot.

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NetherIndy 3y ago

You'd be a fool to count on it continuing, but the last ten years have been a lot better than that.

Inherit $250k 1/1/2012, put in in an S&P 500 Index, reinvest dividends, you'd be talking about $1.16 million on 1/1/2022 http://www.moneychimp.com/features/market\_cagr.htm
It's been a helluva ride. Probably a bit under a million now with the recent slide, but still. That and a 40% savings rate... $2m at 37 is like 97th percentile wealth for that age, but not 99.999th percentile or anything.

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pdoherty972 3y ago

I'm pretty sure that $2M net worth at 37 is far beyond the top 3% as you're indicating. Of the entire population of Americans only 5-6% are at $1M+ net worth, and I have to think the 37 and younger crowd barely register in that.

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NetherIndy 3y ago

The difference here may be "including primary residence" or not. But, I'm fairly sure the original 37f poster was including home equity. (And BLS/Census always counts households, making things even messier). But, $1m net worth is \~12% of American (households). $2m is \~6% overall, and \~2.5% of households headed by someone 35-40.

Well off, but only as rare as meeting a genuinely 6'3" guy among all US male adults (top 2.5%). And you get women looking for that every day.

https://personalfinancedata.com/networth-percentile-calculator

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pdoherty972 3y ago

I was discussing individuals not households.

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Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

She'd be better off getting sterilized rather than inseminated.

Hahaha! Best advice!

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vtec__ 3y ago

230k as a kubernetes admin. they made a job for her! pretty sure most developers have to do that as PART of their job, not the job itself

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Sufficient_Winter_45 3y ago

There definitely are k8s admins. Usually involves other admin work though.

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user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

I'm thinking she's also in a high cost of living area (COLA).

The real question will be, can she survive the next recession?

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Lameador 3y ago

With that kinf of money ? You betcha.

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junior95207 3y ago

Be real. She’s a woman. Women are a lot more competitive than men when it comes to trying to be a “yes man”. They do everything without pushing back and bitch about it. Men at least have a breaking point, but won’t bitch along the way.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

I argue part of the reason why companies and government push feminism is because women tend to be more agreeable on average. More agreeable = less likely to push back against a manager.

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omegajelly200 3y ago

It's also because pretty female employees will make male employees stick around. Not that these female employees will ever give these males any time of the day. Read: hypergamy.

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GundamZero83 3y ago

2 million net worth and walks dogs as a “side hustle” lol

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Yowazzuplol 3y ago

Very believable, also I'm a rocket scientist and I clean cars as a side hustle. I'm 82 years old and starting to think it might be time to get a sperm donor what do you anonymous people on Reddit think about my life choices?

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PirateDocBrown 3y ago

Continue to work. Find a widower with kids who wants to be a SAHD, marry and adopt.

Equality.

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Uranusinjurpooder 3y ago

“I’m 37 and want kids” a little late for that thought huh? Lol

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Fairwareprovidence 3y ago

Imagine being 37 with zero relationship prospects and saying you want a kid ...eventually.

She could be pregnant tomorrow and the kid will still be in high school when she's 56.

There is no eventually for you now. You used your eventually to get awesome job and finances. That is your reward. Retire early, comfortable and alone.

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DrDog09 3y ago

I hope she says what clinic is going to. I will see if they are publicly own and take a flyer on the stock. 37yo and just NOW thinking of having a kid? What a mess.

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Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

I have been to a lot of 3rd World countries. Seeing this girl lament about her wealth and status while wring her hands about her 1st World issues just really pisses me off. Only in the western world can a 37 year old single woman be a millionaire and debate whether or not she should go to a sperm bank and become a single mother. But keep in mind she is being kept down by the patriarchy. Her fat ass will never worry if the crops dont come in that half her village will starve or an invading force will come in to her hometown and kill everybody. I was going to say "only in America," but I read enough to know that Western Europe and Australia/NZ have the same self entitled spoiled women.

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Higgs_deGrasse_Boson 3y ago

Western society should be thankful that their problems are so meager that they think suicide is a viable option for ending their suffering. Poor people don't have time to think about killing themselves.

Chappelle said it best: "The only difference between black poor and white poor is that white people think it shouldn't be happening to them."

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Joaquino7997 3y ago

What amount is enough?

That number is irrelevant - it's never enough.

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polishknightusa 3y ago

I make about half of what she does and I wouldn't take her job. I look FORWARD to my work day. People are pleasant and professional and the work is sustainable. I know people in my environment who literally have to be carried out for retirement because they don't want to go. When you enjoy your work, it's not work at all.

She's basically like, RIP, my father. He hated his job and couldn't wait to retire even as he feared doing so. He passed away about 12 years after. Is this liberation for women?

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CarpAndTunnel 3y ago

Meh, I really like my job, I still resent that I have to do it. I miss my freedom

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CautiousAbility5963 3y ago

If you don't mind me asking, what's your job? Thank you.

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polishknightusa 3y ago

I'm a bureaucrat.

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MattyK414 3y ago

You're a middle-aged workaholic with zero prospects. You made your choice.

She's gonna "need" a guy her age, who makes a killing, looks great, and loves being home alone.

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wanderingNotLost1980 3y ago

37 years old, and succesful in a traditionally male sense, great, congratulations.

Should I find a man to have a child with or go with a sperm donor?

Neither, you will ruin the kid's life either way. Get a cat.

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user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

With either "option" she only wants the sperm. What she is truly trying to decide between is whether she wants to pay for it or not. This is her only hesitation from going with the sperm donor right now. She doesn't actually need or want the man. She just doesn't want to pay for it, but she's strong and independent so she loudly proclaims that she could if she really wanted to, but she doesn't want to pay for it, because what type of woman pays for sperm?!?! Oh, the dilemma of strong and independent women!

Any woman that would consider a sperm donor doesn't value men and doesn't think children need fathers. Again, she doesn't want a man, a husband, or for her child to have a father. She only want a child - and only one child - , so that she can say she did it and has the child as a possession. She is only thinking of self.

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heyyy-kiddo 3y ago

A constant string of boyfriends won't count as a father,but for her the desire to have a child is out of selfish fulfillment.

She could adopt or marry a single father and gave her kids with him.

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Old_snowboarder 3y ago

37 and 'eventually do want kids'. Well she may earn lots of money but when it comes to statistics she seems quite unaware that her fertility is dropping off a cliff. And anyone who voluntary considers becoming a single parent should be summarily executed.

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smurfkiller013 3y ago

Come on now, 20 hours per week is a lot!

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CreepyAssPenis 3y ago

Haha gottem

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FormerBTfan 3y ago

This chick does not need a child Jesus that would be another train wreck of a kid raised by daycare television and social media This chick needs a fucking brain transplant if anything not a child. No real dude is going to want this one and any that would would not match up for her anyway. In either event its a 100% loss for the child.

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jymssg 3y ago

Lol funny thing is idc how rich or successful a woman is, all I care about is if she's loyal and hot.

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NickTesla2018 3y ago

Again, men don't give a **** how much you make. Are you feminine, in shape, and pleasant to be around? Bingo! We'd rather date the cute waitress than the ball buster exec. Women don't want to date guys who make less than them though. The wall is approaching at warp speed. The single guys her age making that much money can date younger.

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bigdaveyl 3y ago

Are you feminine, in shape, and pleasant to be around? Bingo!

Hell, a lot of guys would take feminine and pleasant to be around. So the bar isn't that high.

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loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 3y ago

Again, men don't give a **** how much you make.

Because men want women and women need men.

Therefore, men want to be needed and women need to be wanted.

When a woman says: I'm independent, she's essentially saying: I don't NEED you!

This is repulsive to men.

This is true across the board, even if the man can't articulate or doesn't understand why it's repulsive to him.

Are you feminine, in shape, and pleasant to be around?

Those only exist in patriarchal communities, where women are less empowered.

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lorum_ipsum_dolor 3y ago

When a woman says: I'm independent, she's essentially saying: I don't NEED you! This is repulsive to men.

She's also lying, which is even more of an insult.

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ialwayslurk1362354 3y ago

None of this story makes any sense.

She wants to find a man and have kids but chooses to walk dogs in her free time? Why is she not going out regularly to meet men? She's exchanging precious fertility time for $100/day?

She's worried about the potential guy's financial situation? She can make/withdraw roughly 90k/year in retirement. Is an additional 50k from an average guy (what she can realistically get) a big consideration? Aside from health insurance, what big expenses will she have in retirement?

She talks as if she has all the time in the world for her plans to work out. Her priorities are misplaced and aren't contributing to her goals. Why would a financially savvy, intelligent person be doing that stuff?

She's asking the internet to make important life decisions for her based on a few paragraphs of backstory. I don't think she's telling the truth.

This reads more like a dog-walker who wants kids, but isn't satisfied with the caliber of men she's meeting and is lost on what to do.

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Extension-Donut-8322 3y ago

These women are SO fucking dumb. Had all the cards in your hands and fumbled it. What a waste.

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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 3y ago

37F

I'm single atm but eventually do want kids

"I have my final project that us worth half my grade due next week and I am waiting for just the right idea to use for the project. Am I on the right track to get an A for my class?"

Not necessarily the best comparison, but I hope my point is made. She really does not have time on her hands to be using the words "eventually" with having children. She will be lucky to have 1 child at this rate, as she is still at square 1 where if being a mother was a real priority, she would already have children by now.

A woman does not need to be a mother to fulfill her life, but more women need to ask themselves what is most important. This woman clearly does not find being a mother important because she has spent this long not getting serious about that. Some women really need a reality check, because if you are getting to the point where you think becoming a mother when you are getting close to 40 is a reasonable expectation, you are in for a world of hardship and disappointment. But hey, maybe she will be able to afford some fertility treatments with all that money she has made! She will need all the help she can get.

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Dunkman83 3y ago

whenever people lead with how much money they make (espscially in such detail) i never beleive them

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NetherIndy 3y ago

My lord, how either powerfully ugly, repellent, or insanely picky (or all three) would you have to be to not find a guy? I know the field. A DevOps conference has a 90/10 male/female ratio and damned near half of that 10% are trans-women. She has unavoidably been wanted and worshiped by dozens - hundreds - of six-figure guys. And yet, not a single one....

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Lameador 3y ago

This.

She is used to get so much male attention she forgets the obvious fact that with her cash, she could marry a good looking blue collar man (say a gym teacher, or a cop) and have all of her bases covered.

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cautionTomorrow555 3y ago

My university had similar gender ratios in a lot of majors due to being an engineering university and the the single women refused to date guys in a similar field instead they expected to date the most macho dominant Chad stereotypes possible that they had NOTHING in common with that didn't even know they existed. A woman majoring in chemical engineering wants a guy in sales or a future CEO not a fellow engineer.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

I can confirm, in computer science, a lot of dudes are absolute pushovers. Not all, but there’s a lot of geeky dudes who go into CS. So maybe they meet the income needs for women, but they’re such betas that it doesn’t matter.

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cautionTomorrow555 3y ago

It doesn't improve as much as you would hope post graduation either based on what I have seen in the Midwest (coasts are better according to people I have talked to). Half the engineers and programmers I know have not had a relationship in 5+ years even though they are making six figures in a low cost of living area.

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heyyy-kiddo 3y ago

Current workplace "conditions" make men not even look in the general direction of a woman,much less date her in the West.

A guy at Pycon was making a joke with his friend and got in trouble in an otherwise private conversation between them in public at the conference.

You must be a special kind of masochist to date work colleagues as a man.

You either resugn before starting the relationship or don't do it.

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omegajelly200 3y ago

The super masculine workplaces like IT tend to have draconian male-female interaction laws, that passing a joke can already be construed as sexual harassment or rape by a pissed off female employee. So why bother? They just won't shit where they eat.

Plus, not only are they massively hypergamous but they are in high competition. Nobody wants to feel forced to talk to a 1 girl before 99 of the other guys get to talk to a girl first.

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Higgs_deGrasse_Boson 3y ago

Men really shouldn't extend women anything more than professional courtesy. It never ends well.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

Dude I am ashamed about how fragile some fellow computer science and technology workers are. Like sorry you make $150k+ a year and get to get paid by your employer to Stan a programming language every year and need to find something to complain about. Must be a hard life.

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heyyy-kiddo 3y ago

Yeah, the other spectrum are the nerdy guys and engineers that don't act like little girls.

It's probably due to the fact Microsoft,Google and the rest endorse wokeness 200% so they employ not based on skill , but on basic level + agenda.

If you look at software quality and the fact that most companies love to hire only juniors to avoid paying higher salaries to competent people it makes sense.

Pay them pennies, get them high on the woke train and play some theatrical activism and you keep them happy.....you can continue screwing everyone in peace.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

Correct. The nerdy guys aren’t interested in all of that nonsense, they’re busy working and listening to Joe Rogan (preferably not over the company WiFi). Not conservative, just not Idpol loving.

Then, of course, a boatload of box checkers who have minimum viable skills.

At this point, the best CS guys and girls are going off to startups, and leaving Wokeanda to the power posing blue check wannabe brigade

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Itsdickyv 3y ago

Looks like content from a feed giving “relationship techniques” to a specific gender. You know, the place where you absolutely must know what the other gender is earning.

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Snoid_ 3y ago

Fembot Baiting Strategery?

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Itsdickyv 3y ago

Something like that, yeah…

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NeverNeverLandIsNow 3y ago

Why do women think men care how much they make? I mean yes I would prefer they be independent but how much they actually make is not really a thought most guys have, can she pay her own bills? Then that is good enough for most guys.
And she is wondering if she should wait to have kids at 37 ??? She should be more worried that if she does have kids that they may have issues due to her age.

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benethorpl 3y ago

it's a projection

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

One thing that’s enlightening is listening to Kevin Samuels. So often, women neither seem to know no one who makes a good income, or basically every man they know does. Generally speaking, the former want those men because it’s the bailout that they seek, the latter want them because they feel entitled to them (after all, they don’t know a man who is 35 and making $50k).

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bgovern 3y ago

Administering an open source project pays $230k a year? I'm in the wrong business.

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pdoherty972 3y ago

It's highly doubtful.

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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 3y ago

Sounds like she lives in an expensive area, given her house sale price. 230k per year is good money still, but it still important to consider cost of living.

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InevitableOwl1 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

Wow if this is true I am definitely in the wrong field. Although IT and coding seems even more dull than my current job (which is saying something)

Regardless - she’s left it rather late to find someone to have a child with. And left it late for a sperm donor as well

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Flat_Eric_1200 3y ago

The selfishness and entitlement of this woman is astounding. Creating a child from a test tube using anonymous sperm is horrible. What about creating a Fatherless child? Creating a child that from birth will have deep psychological issues and unhappiness? Can you imagine the amount of hate the child will have for their Mother when they find out they were robbed of having a Father? To realize they were born not out of love. But to simply fulfill a selfish womans needs...

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heyyy-kiddo 3y ago

I guess the "you were an accident" insults/jokes will hit different....they won't shrug it off.

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Yowazzuplol 3y ago

It's the next Mexican joker!

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WeRAllOnThisBlessedD 3y ago

37 and asking if she should keep waiting to have kids. She should’ve been thinking about this in her 20s, but her career was more important. Newsflash: men that age aren’t looking to have kids. We’re already looking toward how to have the most relaxing retirement. Part of that is increasing your wealth through your 40s, and having a young child in those years can put the brakes on those plans.

A few notes for any women reading this thread:

We don’t care about your career or how much money you make

You’re right to assume men will be put off by “strong independent women” types. You clearly don’t need us, so why would we want you?

Those girls night out cocktail nights are fun, but eventually you’ll find yourself back at your apartment, alone, surrounded by cats and boxed wine, and you’ll see your other (married) friends on Instagram happily living with their families.

If you want kids, don’t wait until you’re almost 40.

If you’re over 30, you more than likely met “the right guy” back in your 20s, but you sent him to that black hole known as the friendzone. He’s probably moved on by now. Oh well.

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cautionTomorrow555 3y ago

37 and asking if she should keep waiting to have kids. She should’ve been thinking about this in her 20s, but her career was more important. Newsflash: men that age aren’t looking to have kids. We’re already looking toward how to have the most relaxing retirement. Part of that is increasing your wealth through your 40s, and having a young child in those years can put the brakes on those plans.

I went on so many dates with women trying to sneak one past the goal at the last minute and have a kid in their 30s. Telling them I wasn't willing to have kids made them so mad it was hilarious one almost had a temper tantrum in the restaurant. I eventually got bored and listed that on my profile but telling women no I will not be your beta bailout after women like that didn't want me previously was one of the best feelings I have had in my life. Feel the last of your eggs rot and smell the sulfur bitch! You brought this on yourself I hope it hurts and is the last thing you think of when you are alone on your death bed.

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delsystem32exe 3y ago

damn kubernetes admin. thats big bucks there, and i dont know containers :(

fuck cloud, keep on prem.

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago

Rule 3

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pyr0phelia 3y ago

Hey it’s you. Any word on Votal? Did they shutter for good?

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago

Votal

Never heard of it, so I looked. It's a polling website.

Did you mean something else?

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago

Rule 3.

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kevin32 Ambassador for NiceGuys™ 3y ago

This is a classic example of the dating woes - and unreasonableness - of independent spinsters who get the financial success that feminists have pushed for. They commonly ask "Should I keep looking for a man who is wealthy like myself to have children with, or raise a child myself?" She wants the former for the family and companionship aspects, otherwise she wouldn't have asked the question. But her hypergamy and love for money dismisses the millions of 5-figure men who would make suitable partners and family men. She's more worried about "providing for a man beneath her" than considering that that same man could provide her the family and companionship she's looking for.

But she's also considering a sperm donor because being independent for so long, she's worried about letting go of being in control and "submitting to a man", and thinks that the only way she can let go and "be a woman" is to find a man who is wealthier and better looking. This and the money is why she doesn't come across as desperate for commitment.

But when you add that virtually no wealthy men are seeking an "independent" woman pushing 40 to have kids with (because they're busy banging models), it explains why such women inevitably take the sperm donor route.

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WallyWithanEmail 3y ago

If it's real? Multimillionaire by mid 30's with a "side hussle" walking dogs for $100 - 150 a day? That amount of $ walking dogs is full time on it's own (Edit, and if you are thinking "maybe it's a side business, she wouldn't be talking "per day")

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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 3y ago

This also goes to prove that women don't want to win, they want a winner. For all her money, she still cannot even entertain the idea of being the man in the relationship. As masculine as she is, she still wants a man who is more masculine than her. This is why women like this make poor mentors.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago

Yeah this is absolutely insane. She’s afraid of being financially taken advantage of? Well, welcome to being a man. She lived like a man. And she’s done awesome ($2m net worth on $230k a year by 37, mighty impressive, wouldn’t be shocked if she’s scored on crypto). But if I look it up, only 2.5% of HOUSEHOLDS in their late 30’s have net worths of $2.5m or more. That means potentially two income earners. Her net worth alone already puts her ahead of 39 out of 40 households at her age level. A dude can come in with nothing, and she’d still be one of the richer people in one of the richest nations on earth. And the fact is, even relatively low value dudes in the circles she runs in would be better than average financially.

Get your premarital assets protected in a prenup, Marry a dude, stay home and raise the 1 IVF kid you have while he goes and makes the active income. It’s not that difficult.

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Overkillengine 3y ago

She’s afraid of being financially taken advantage of? Well, welcome to being a man.

Yup, this is the default experience for men. And the harder we work, the more successful we are, the worse it gets for men, the more ruthless you have to be in warding off human leeches.

And unlike men, if she gets scammed, society will actually give a shit. A man just invites getting shat on harder if he dares to complain about getting financially taken advantage of.

So even if she chooses to live like a man and get a fraction of the male experience...she still has had a golden parachute should she ever be willing to use it. Well, at least until she gets so old and toxic that even homeless elderly men would prefer to sleep on the sidewalk than in her bed.

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attongirdeaux 3y ago

I have commented before on this but I'll respond here as well. I work for a hedge fund - these women are literally targeted by our industry because of how fucking desperate they are for interaction. Like entire companies have changed their training manuals for new hires level of targeting. No sane dude would marry these women - even now. I dont work retail side (aka dealing directly with customers) even at her net worth and the sales guys either are getting hit on, their dick wet, or leave.
The guys they want actively avoid women like this. The guys their level, dont really noticed them. The guys who would genuinely want to be with them, realize that they are not wanted and stop pursuing. Leaving these inspins alone at $10k a plate dinner parties. Thats when a retail salesman (yes MAN) swoops in and befriends them. Coincidentally 3 months later a 7 figure account transfers from one brokerage firm to another.

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Jihocech_Honza 3y ago

Well said. But you can say it in one sentence: "All magic comes at a price, dearie!"

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HoppingBumbleBob 3y ago

Nice reference!

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nitro-666 3y ago

But her hypergamy and love for money dismisses 5-figure men who would make suitable partners and family men.

And those men don't know how lucky they are. I've met several couples where the woman makes more money, and the respective guy is constantly talked down to. It's not a life I'd want for myself.

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CRobinsFly 3y ago

They may say that they dont care about money but rest-assured, it will become a problem if you are making less than them.

My ex was with someone prior for over 9 years. At the start, he made substantially more than her, then on like year 8.5 she started making just barely more than him. Bam, relationship over. Didnt trip any flags but in retrospect it explains what happened to me: I make substantially more than my ex probably always will. Anyway, after 2 years with her I lost my job and was unemployed for a period of 3mo. She clearly treated me differently during that time - demanding more activity on her house, me doing the grocery shopping, etc. Anyway, in my opinion she clearly didnt respect me anymore. Came to a head when I got a new job for even more than I was making before but it required being out of town. Relationship ended within 3mo.

This super successful woman has basically no chance of finding someone. She can become a single mother and that'll be a permanent choice with a clear reduction in her wealth prospects.

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manbruhpig 3y ago

I’ve seen a lot of couples where the woman does not make more but still talks down to the guy.

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nitro-666 3y ago

Absolutely. But when she makes more, that's the only outcome I've seen.

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docbonezz 3y ago

If you are worth as much money as you say you are and you make the kind of money you say you make then definitely go the sperm donor route. Eventually you may find somebody that you choose to be with but if you have a baby with somebody and the relationship goes south, then you have a major legal nightmare to deal with. If you go to the sperm donor route you only have yourself to deal with.

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  • r/FemaleDatingStrategy advises women to delay sex with good men but freely give themselves to fuckboys

  • Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society

  • Dalrock - They’re back in your 20s where you left them.

  • Kevin Samuels - You're Average At Best

  • Paul Elam - Where the Good Men Went

  • Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me

  • WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.

  • Michael's Story

  • u/where_muh_good_mens' Story

  • "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?"

  • Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.

  • Feminism has succeeded

  • Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore

  • Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?

  • "I’m 43 and Alone – Can I Find a Good Man?"

  • To The Guy I Left In The Friend Zone For Too Long

  • To The Man Who Will Love Me Next

  • The Truth Behind the Increasing Social and Economic Disparity of Modern Society and Why Good Men Are The First To Leave

  • The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market

  • Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel

  • The Life Story of Carol

  • Memes

  • Complete list of resources here.

Link Flair:

  • The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"

  • Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.

  • Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.

  • Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

  • Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.

  • Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.

  • New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.

Content Archive:

  • https://theredarchive.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen

Related forums:

  • WhereAllTheGoodMenAre
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