Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
Rules of conduct:
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1. No shaming men for any reason.
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2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.
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3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.
- 4. No brigading, doxxing or witch-hunting. Do not look for the individuals posted here, nor ask or give their personal info/social media, nor ask or give the source or you will be banned and reported to the admins. See here and here.
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5. Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy". (Examples, details)
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5b. No posts of women who are merely fat, post-wall, unattractive, seeking sex or money, nor women merely behaving badly. (Examples NOT allowed)
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6. No personal information in dating profiles or social media accounts. Take a screenshot and censor all names, social media, hometown, school, and place of work. Additionally, censor any children's faces if their mommy included them in any profile photos.
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7. No links to any subreddits or websites, nor crossposts where the OP is a woman. For articles use archive.is. For Reddit use a censored screenshot. Screenshots must contain the full story. No links to any women's Youtube, TikTok, etc. videos. Use Streamable.com to upload videos after censoring them through Musicaldown.com.
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8. We accept images from Imgur, Postimage, and ImgBB.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
- Complete list of resources here.
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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LowValueScrote 3y ago
Don’t worry, we’ll see her again on this sub in a decade.
omegajelly200 3y ago
What do we call a woman with a horrible personality?
A bitch.
Philhelm 3y ago
Teacher = daycare worker
Sure-Vermicelli4369 3y ago
What 6' dude wants to be seen in public with a >5' midget and risk getting called a groomer.
Careful-Coat-6879 3y ago
What do you call a woman under 5'4"?
A Fleshlight.
No reason to roll my 6'2" genetic dice with a almost dwarf like her, can you imagine how hard it would be to set a son up for success if her genetics won?
phoenixgreek 3y ago
She so hilariously generic it's not even worth the effort dragging her
ineeddola 3y ago
Her fate will be like millions of others. A cum dumpster until age of 35. Then she will panic and worry about her prospects in life, everything else will go outta window.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Only thing she has going for her is that she’s 18. You can already tell that she’s not all that by looking at her arms: they aren’t thin. It’s a lot easier for women to disguise body imperfections because the fat lands different than it does for a man. So she can show a little belly, just don’t show the belly button because that’ll give it away.
Also, a woman like this is a prime target for pump and dump from Chad. I can see it now, she’ll be 30 and suddenly she’ll want “something real”.
Maximum-Complaint-68 3y ago
Gaelige―Béarla Translations:
gfgdhj5784yu8 3y ago
Too bad she will never be smart enough to appreciate the irony of her own post.
mustangfrank 3y ago
That is the advantage of being a women
moush 3y ago
And then she will laugh at her own son when he gets her genetics instead of her husbands.
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 3y ago
Bold of you to assume the baby daddy would marry her. Or that she'd even know who the guy is.
PirateDocBrown 3y ago
I'm curious what she might call a woman over 65 kg?
Sumpm 3y ago
She may be 143lbs (65kg), even at 4'11. Her arms are thick, she's using high-waisted jeans to suck in her stomach, and her hips are bulging out. She'll get her 6-footer, and eat like he eats, and be as wide as she is tall by 25... and then she'll get pregnant and blame it on the child.
omegajelly200 3y ago
Dwarfmode body girls are the majority in online dating apps.
PirateDocBrown 3y ago
I used 65 kg, as that was Sophia Lorens weight at the height of her stardom. She is 5'9". She was considered "plus sized" in her time.
JohnDax 3y ago
we call them hobbits in my town (fat an short)
UwUkraine_RussiaChan 3y ago
and sometimes with a magic ring
YouKnow-TheFarmer 3y ago
a qween
JohnDax 3y ago
a hobbit
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
a queef
mustangfrank 3y ago
That is a better description
Land_of_the_Losers the-niceguy.com 3y ago
As an 18 year old teacher, I'm sure she has a fabulous vocabulary. Presumably, she was a child prodigy who went into college at the age of 16, breezed through in two years, and worked overtime to complete her certification and student teaching requirements.
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 3y ago
Yeah.... just look at her. She looks like the epitome of achievement. Right????
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
Hell yeah! Just look at how many pairs of shoes she owns!
loneliness-inc LvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™ 3y ago
And purses for all her money
Land_of_the_Losers the-niceguy.com 3y ago
You mock her, sir? You have an untrained eye! That? That is her elaborate façade. Her clever disguise. Her maskirovka. Her tatemae, as the Japanese call it. In reality, her predatory, high-capacity brain inhabits a persona which has been carefully crafted to resemble a common dum-dum.
That glib profile and amateurish selfie is but a diabolical ruse to lull you into the false sense that she's but a mediocre dim-bulb. She's simulating an artless flibbertigibbet to winnow-out the chaff of lesser intellects. And you completely fell for it, you gullible palooka. But she hasn't fooled me.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
Well then, go get her, Tiger!
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Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 3y ago
Man, I've got to take some notes from that vocabulary for future titles.
Moldy_Gecko 3y ago
I gotta give you a thumbs up
Land_of_the_Losers the-niceguy.com 3y ago
Based on your correct spelling, I see that I forgot the chiisai tsu. っ
Moldy_Gecko 3y ago
Honestly, I think I spelt it wrong. I am a non-native, self-taught Japanese speaker and fuck that shit up all the time. I thought it originated from 立つ, which would turn to 立って. I double checked with my fiancee after I saw your message and she googled it (because even many educated Japanese have a hard time with Japanese). Long story short, I messed up and it's 建前 (たてまえ).
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Moldy_Gecko 3y ago
I read Japanese, not Chinese.
Lezonidas 3y ago
What do we call girls below 5'4? Bad genetics for our children, so, just to save women from 2050 from another dwarf man below 6' we better don't touch those women...
xtcj88 3y ago
Meh. I’m over 6 ft and I prefer 5’4 or lower. We all have preferences. This post is a nothingburger.
DrDog09 3y ago
Don't knock till you try it. You can fold them up and pleasure yourselves anyway you want.
cv512hg 3y ago
Basically use them like a fleshlight
3HardWay 3y ago
What you wrote has absolutely nothing to do with the comment you replied to.
DrDog09 3y ago
Maybe but my wife is all of 4'11' and the daughter is 6', so genetics are as absolute as my comment was. Which is it's a luck of the draw in the genetics arms race.
3HardWay 3y ago
It is statistical, not random. You are statistically more likely to have taller children with a taller woman.
tiernach 3y ago
I love the fact that is the extent of her profile. No personality just insulting most of the male population. When she is 30+ and "had her fun" and "ready to settle down" she will be here crying about how guys laugh at her when she says she wants something serious.
polishknightusa 3y ago
I remember almost as if it was yesterday, 30 years ago in the dawn of the internet, a woman on a discussion forum asking me "Why do you want to date women? You don't seem to like them very much." and thinking she had a point. Even back then, the majority of single women where I lived were literally insufferable. I took her observation to heart and asked myself: If I didn't want to have sex with these women, would I even want to be around them?
My friends (most of whom are now divorced) disagreed with me and said that they were perfectly fine as long as they were good monkeys and danced. Just pay for meals, keep your mouth shut, keep a good job (ahead of her), and many of them were livable. They might even pretend to be nice!
I never imagined things could get worse.
Snoid_ 3y ago
*Narrator* Things got worse
Pubesauce 3y ago
Nah, she'll just change her profile to make her sound like she has more depth than she does to attract a different type of guy. Her profile as-is signals that she is only interested in sex with a hawt guy. Once the fun runs out, she starts to age, and baby fever kicks in, she'll act like she was never that type of girl to begin with. She'll bury her past, act like she was always a quirky, interesting person "looking for something more" and snag some gullible beta who was patiently waiting his turn to be noticed by an even mildly attractive woman.
If AF/BB wasn't a successful strategy to be able to have fun now and secure a family later, we wouldn't see nearly all women employing it for the past few decades.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
The main difference now is that they forget that they’re not supposed to carry AF’s kid into the mix for BB. Probably should be running a little, too.
Hell my mom even joked about the 20 year HS reunion that she went to and how many popular girls hit the wall at light speed. Long, sad life once you lose the only thing that gave you value.
denvercaniac 3y ago
Height supremacy is selfish and cruel.
Fortunately, fate bitchslapped her back by way of her face and her "rack."
mustangfrank 3y ago
HEIGHTISM: THE ONE ISM FEMINISM IGNORES
Where are the feminists’ outrage on heightism? Why aren’t the streets clogged by thousands of women wearing pussy hats demanding the end to this form discrimination? Why is it that feminist have absolutely no issue with demonstrating for equal pay, or against sexism or racism? But heightism? Not a word. How strange that women, who actually have total control of this form of discrimination, remain silent on it and do nothing to stop it, and some are actually vocal proponents of it.
Proof of this is easily found. All one needs to do is visit any online dating site and read women’s personal ads. Height requirements of men are listed openly and proudly so. No attempt to hide this discrimination what so ever. But if a man were to state his size preference of a woman’s breasts, hips or weight in his ad, it would be pulled from the site, immediately. This man would be lectured by women telling him that women of all sizes, shapes and colors are beautiful. How strange that women don’t apply that to men of all sizes, shapes and colors? Why doesn’t a man who is 5’2” get the same respect from women as a man 6’2”? This from the sex that demands equal treatment at every opportunity.
Any woman who mocks, insults or demeans a man based upon his height, is as much responsible for imposing oppressive norms of toxic masculinity onto men as a man who does the same to other men. If toxic masculinity exists, it is imposed by society and society means people of all genders, not just men. This toxic oppressive gender norm is controlled 100% by women, for women have established the height standards for society, not men. BTW. Why isn’t this behavior by women considered bullying? Wouldn’t female bullying be defined as Toxic Femininity? Women are just fine with this mistreatment of men and their lack of words and actions show how hypercritical and shallow they are.
Edited February 10, 2022 Comments from another men. Some women act like free prostitutes for tall men and think nothing of it. Thus, they relegated themselves to only being of used as temporary cock warmers by tall men. Heightism won’t stop until it affects women. No one is at fault for their own height, so stop the toxic femininity concerning height. Women are so quick to dismiss a guy when he's not as tall as she'd like, but not wanting a commitment doesn't seem to be a deal breaker if he is tall.
Female joke. What do you call a man under 5’9”? A friend.
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/exposing-heightism
logan4179 3y ago
I'm 6'4", but I will not date a woman who disparages men under 6'. If women are allowed to make guilty-free assumptions about "what it says about a man" who doesn't have a car, doesn't dress a certain way, or whatever other bullshit they think they're smart enough to interpolate meaning from, then I'm certainly allowed to assume she's an unkind person when she makes such statements.
musicgray 3y ago
I am 6’4 1/4”. It is their opinion. Like mine not to date single mothers. I understand it.
logan4179 3y ago
You can have an opinion without disparaging someone.
Guns_n_prosers 3y ago
100 hundred bucks says you could be 5’9” and tell her you’re 6’ and she wouldn’t know the difference.
This height fetish is new. You just had to be taller in the past. Think of the other trends that have come about in this century: tattoos, beards, dad bods. That shit didn’t cut it in the past. Women are going to follow whatever the culture creators tell them is cool. Wether it’s get a nose ring, or shave you pubic hairs, or be into choking, whatever.
I’m actually 6’ and dated a girl who was 4’11”. It’s too much of a height discrepancy for me. I also don’t get off on having my sexual partner being way smaller than I am. There are certainly a percentage of guys who like that aspect of it.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
I say that shit all the time.
I'm "only" 5'11" and get estimated taller consistently.
Guns_n_prosers 3y ago
I’m 6 foot even bare footed. Truth be told, I would think you’re my height. It’s not that easy to tell an inch difference from my perspective, and shoes make an impact depending on their soles. I have to be way taller or way shorter to notice much of a difference with people. I’ve also never wished I was taller.
Girls go by appearance. If two dudes had the same size package but one was 5’8” and the other 6’5”, which dude would APPEAR bigger. The way things appear is what women base things on in my experience. We all know things are never what they appear, or are contextual.
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
The market is so tilted in their favor that they can say absurd (and very overused, unoriginal) insults such as that and still get matches.
mustangfrank 3y ago
Paula was an unabashed heightist. She belonged to a tall club, where women needed to be at least 5’10” and men 6’2”. Paula was 5’10”, 32, and was attractive. She modeled in High School and in her first year of college. From the neck up, I would say an 8.5-8.8. She had a very pretty face, and she was very easy on the eyes. From the neck down was another story. Typical for a tall girl, not much in the breast department. Her body I would rate –C, for she didn’t have much of a waist and her butt was sort of there, but nothing exceptional.
This didn’t stop Paula from telling me all about her relationships with men 6’ plus, knowing I was 5’8”. Paula would only look at men 6’ plus, and most of her talk about the man centered on his height. One day, I met Paula and her latest man. He was either in his late 40’s or early 50’s, had about 50/50 black and grey hair. He was about 6’1”. I met Paula a few days later, and she gushed on how great he was. Over time she sensed that something was not right in the relationship, so she hired a private investigator to check him out. The investigator told Paula he had another girl friend, and he had a sex offense on his record. Paula was devastated. She told me this when I saw her with her girlfriends while I was out clubbing.
I ran into Paula sometime later, and she was over the moon. Her latest man, she named Baby Beef. He was 6’7” and was 26. She went on how being next to him made her feel so feminine and safe. All the time talking about his height to me, knowing I am 5’8”. It didn’t take time for this relationship to fall apart, for it was based upon her obsession of height. So I was not surprised 2 months later when it did. And as in the other failed relationships, she was down in the dumps. I met her in a bar we both liked, and I could see how depressed she was.
Months later, I ran into here again. And again she had a new man, somewhere in the 6’4” range. I think she met him at the tall club as she did the 6’7” guy. She was ecstatic. He was 6’4”, what more could you want in a relationship than that? And just as what had happened in the previous relationships, it came to a crashing end. And again, Paula was depressed. I bought her a drink, and she told me that she thought that the reason her relationships failed was that she was too INTIMIDATING. I wanted to tell her that I thought the reason the relationships failed was that she was a broke secretary, out of shape, whose only qualification for a man was to be 6’ or taller. And that height does not guarantee a relationship will last any more than if you only dated people with freckles. You need to judge a man by his character, not his inseam. You have to like each other, like being with each other, respect differences, and much, much more. But to Paula, height was the most important thing, everything else was trivial.
I knew Paula for about 2 ½ years and there were more failed relationships. And she was not taking it well. The last time I ever saw her was at the bar I first met her at, and she must have gained 40 pounds in the last 6 months. I felt sorry for her, but she just wouldn’t change. You would have thought years of failures would prompt a new dating plan, but not Paula. She needed a tall man, no matter what.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
I wouldn’t feel bad for Paula. Even if she was respectful to you and didn’t treat people poorly simply for not winning the genetic lottery, she still is doing this to herself. It’s like in the game “shadow of the colossus” where you’re more and more deformed every time you kill a colossus that’s laying around and not bothering anyone, except in her case, she’s fatter and fatter every time she gives herself mental anguish by failed relationships
Roman_69 3y ago
Okay hear me out, if you just wanna fuck, you can easily lie to women shorter than you. They have no real concept of height. As long as You’re just taller than her, you can round up a few inches and they won’t suspect a thing. (Disclaimer, this is not coming from experience of doing it, I’m 184cm, I have no reason to do it but I have never met a woman who can judge height whatsoever)
BeholdTheHair 3y ago
This works if you're sufficiently within the ballpark of the desired figure. If you're obviously well short of 6', lying and saying you're that tall generally doesn't end well.
That said, the general thrust of your point is absolutely correct. Most women don't really know what the objective metric for 6' is, they simply sort men into two camps: Tall and Not Tall.
Tall applies to any man who's sufficiently taller (or simply bigger) than she is and desirable based on physique, charisma, social status, etc.
Not Tall, conversely, applies to any man she doesn't find attractive and has very little, if any, bearing to his objective height. He could very obviously tower over her by 6"+ and she'd still call him short.
Joaquino7997 3y ago
What do we call women like this?
A bee-yotch!
Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
She's a teacher. America is in good hands.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Job title inflation. She’s 18. She’s a daycare worker.
Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis 3y ago
Daycare worker? You're being generous.
She's probably just a babysitter.
Andwen_The_Peevish 3y ago
High waisted jeans. Gross!
Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis 3y ago
She is 1 inch away from legit dwarfism and mocks guys shorter than 6'0.
What a time to be alive.
mustangfrank 3y ago
she knows her worth.
SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
And I know her future girth
Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis 3y ago
Never settle, Queen!
HerbertRTarlekJr 3y ago
Call him a guy who will marry someone besides you.
Wide-Illustrator2906 3y ago
Am I the only one that's not bothered by women's height requirements? I literally could care less, my only issue is when women try to shame men for our preferences( weight, body count, ).
mustangfrank 3y ago
Am I the only one that's not bothered by women's height requirements? I literally could care less,
I am with you brother. I couldn't care any less how tall the girl is. I am 5'8", she could be 6'8". It would not matter to me in the least. Everyone would assume she was an athlete or a model. Everyone would be envious or me. Why? I will be between her legs tonight.
Tiki-Tiger 3y ago
Ill bet she's a snot about a guy who is 5'11 and 3/4.
BeholdTheHair 3y ago
Nah, she'd have no idea he's not 6'. A confident, charming guy who's 5'9" would probably have no trouble convincing her he's 6'.
Women say they want a guy who's 6' because conventional wisdom states that's usually where "tall" begins. In truth most of 'em couldn't mark 6' on a blank wall if their lives depended on it.
Tiki-Tiger 3y ago
I mean if a guy were to tell her.....
If our measurement system were such that 5 5 "10 rounded up to six (such that a foot is @0 in chest, with inches being just a bit longer, such that 5 11 or 5 100/ equalled a new 6 0, she would be into that. It is really just that 6 0 is a round number....
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Are they teaching entitlement classes in high school now? /s
Hey 'teacher,' what do you call a woman over 120 lbs?
BeholdTheHair 3y ago
This shit's baked into their evolutionary psychology. You don't need to encourage it; to the contrary, our ancestors built western civilization partially around curbing women's hypergamy.
mustangfrank 3y ago
The first men and women were not 6'. I suspect about 4'4" for a man 4' for a woman. How we got to 6' is beyond me?
sqorry 3y ago
Dont know why 6' is the worlds greatest number for height. I do know for a fact that shorter people drowned in the Netherlands because of flooding in the past.
IsraelWentFullMGTOW 3y ago
From a biblical perspective, I suspect it was mating with the giants. Or the nephilim or whatev you call them.
mustangfrank 3y ago
I bet the early women had flat bellies, firm thighs and thigh gap and rock hard asses. Why can't modern men demand that?
IsraelWentFullMGTOW 3y ago
Because modern men pampered modern woman and made them too comfortable and turned them to this slovenly beasts we see today. I always say this if men desired real change from women, it would happen right this instant. Make a bloody example of a few woman-ists and all the women will submit, as they have no fucking morals.
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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 3y ago
As a guy who is also shorter than average but also dealt with internet dating, I have no idea exactly how many women filtered me out based on height alone, but I am sure there were many of them. I do wonder what would have happened if I did lie about my height. My guess is that I would get a lot more initial interest, though it would predictably fizzle out the moment they found out that my claimed height and actual height did not match. Probably better that I did not do that, since it would have just been a waste of my time to show up to dates to get the predictable responses of "It's not that you are short it's that you lied about your height." No amount of debate where I would respond that they would not have agreed to a date if I was honest upfront in the first place would change the outcome. These women would still be upset that I was not meeting their height requirements, and I doubt they would care at any attempts for me to make the case that such a requirement is not truly important.
Besides, I met my wife without lying about my height, and I do not think I could have found a better woman than her.
CA-GMOW 3y ago
Wow! That summarized my 2021 research very well!
I am 6ft tall, and still have a hard time with women because I'm not the typical hockey guy (well at least here in Canada). But I feel you, I have seen short men having tougher time, only if they have very good looks, they can get around it (and I have only seen this like 3 in the past 12-13 years (this was in HS and University)).
escapedfromthecrypt 3y ago
Wish I could see it. But I've seen several confirmations that I consider exceptions to the rule unicorns
HeftyAdministration8 3y ago
There's a reason romance novel heroes are ALWAYS six feet tall, if not 6'4" or 6'6'.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
“You won in the end” is the most manipulative sentiment for men that I can think of. So the guys who wouldn’t care if you dropped dead tomorrow got all of the fun, but some BB “wins” because he gets the older, damaged version of her that the prime men didn’t get.
UwUkraine_RussiaChan 3y ago
**Insert* "I won, but at what cost.." meme
Saianna 3y ago
in a year where people try to force an ideolo-idea upon you that there are 500 genders and have difficult time differentiating a woman from a man i'm not surprised.
Facts and obvious truths are unwelcome if they don't align with your ideology. Even if it's 2+2=4.
fantasticfantasy69 3y ago
TF?! Since when did 2+2 = 4?!!! And I’ll have you know there are (2)031 genders buddy!
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
Would you sticky this please?
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 3y ago
Seconded.
u/lurkerhasarisen.
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moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 3y ago
Thank you.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
It seems that you only distinguished but didn't sticky.
Pubesauce 3y ago
I think part of the issue is basically a miscommunication. People in general tend to not realize that someone's sexual market value and relationship market value can be wildly disparate.
Short men have a baseline sexual market value of almost nothing to women. They can compensate to some extent by having a handsome face or toned physique, but the ceiling on SMV for short men is probably just a hair above average even with those two things maxed out.
RMV varies based on a greater number of factors though. Height still factors in to RMV because having a man with a high SMV in a relationship with you signals a higher social status for the woman amongst her peers, which is extremely important for them. They want a guy that will impress their family and friends. The difference here between RMV and SMV is that guys aren't completely doomed in their RMV by their genetic background. A short guy can be confident, successful, and charming and achieve a higher RMV than a tall, dumb loser.
However, the lingering problem for short guys in the end is that women will almost always spend their youth pursuing men who have both a high SMV and RMV, and won't start lowering their standards until they begin to realize that those tall, successful guys are out of reach for anything more than a pump and dump. So the short man can still "get the girl" in the end, but only after she's chased and failed to secure the men she really wanted and had to begrudgingly lower her standards to something more realistic. This sense of settling is a big part of what causes a bitchy, naggy wife for the duration of the marriage, with the short guy not realizing why he is being treated so poorly.
I'm glad that I did my dating prior to the Tinder age. Dating seems absolutely brutal now for the bottom 95% of men out there. It will be a challenge to raise my son, who will likely also be short, to be able to navigate the dating world without getting screwed over and ending up bitter from it.
mustangfrank 3y ago
I have 4 sons. One is married, he is 6'3". The others are 6' 1/2", 5;9: and a 14 year old who is 5'10". All my boys will be college educated, which I hope gives them an advanage. Why? less men going to college means more power to males in college and outside as well.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Pretty much the best sales pitch that you can tell men is that soon, there will be 2 young male college grads for every 3 young female college grade, and all 3 of those women will be exclusively pursuing those two guys.
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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
I understand that. But that’s a mirage.
The 20+ men, they’re each looking at dozens of women the same way and playing the numbers game. The women, They’re casually dating or hooking up with the small percentage of men who are managing a harem. He’s a “bad texter” because his Wednesday night is over his place. They’ll want the husband eventually (maybe because baby rabies kicks in, maybe because their own SMV is declining, they are aware of it, and need to lock down the highest value man that they can before it drops further), and that’s when they’ll see the reality drop in front of them.
For these women, dating will start to feel a lot like a job interview. They’ll have all of these companies calling them back when they receive their application, dozens of them will invite them in for an interview, and they’ll think they’re hot stuff as a result. But then none of the companies actually offer them a job, or the only one that does is the badly funded startup with high turnover.
variedpageants 3y ago
That's true, but the problem (as we can plainly see from this subreddit) is that women don't perceive the situation they're in.
Each of those three women will get attention from the two guys, and each woman will conclude, "nice! I'm getting attention from these guys! That means I'm a hot commodity! No need to 'settle' and no rush on getting married!"
Women set their "standards" so that they only match with 10% or fewer of men. And if you try to explain that to them, their reply (I've actually heard them say this) is "it doesn't matter that I'm picky, because I only need one guy!"
They literally do not get it. They don't get that yes, you can set your standards to include only the top 10% men, and yes those men will fuck you (while you're young, anyway). But you're not in the top 10% of women and therefore, those top 10% men aren't going to commit to you.
UwUkraine_RussiaChan 3y ago
Sad but true man haha!
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
I’d say you need to be higher. Since the top 10% of men get all of the female attention, you have to offer something good for them to actually invest their time and money. There’s no reason to commit as one of those men, unless you’re getting someone worth committing to. Being pretty isn’t a reason alone; beauty fades.
But yes, it’s crazy that women don’t understand that they’re in competition, and the math isn’t in their favor. If one of these women think a guy like me has too high standards, well, tough. Because I can find women that fit them. Maybe instead of complaining, they should try diet, exercise, being sweet, and not being a release valve for a man’s D on the second date due to him being 6’2” with tattoos
Wide-Illustrator2906 3y ago
mustangfrank 3y ago
What you write is sad but true.
Wide-Illustrator2906 3y ago
I know most of us are red pilled here but that group is nowhere near 10% of the male population. I have a close friend who's like a big brother too me. He just got married to a 31 year old woman (he's 39) who has slept with 4 celebrities ( Gavin DeGraw, Chandler Parsons, Preston Tucker, John Pardi) and had multiple threesomes with guys and girls. I know this because she openly said this within the first month of me knowing her.He is overweight, balding and works at a Ford factory.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
What’s funny is that they will both feel like they settled. She was getting D’d down by Chandler Parsons and now she’s with some generic middle aged man. He wanted a decent looking woman with a good past and ended up with a decent looking woman who is likely to be alpha widowed and having nuked pair bonding capabilities. This one screams future divorce, sadly.
Wide-Illustrator2906 3y ago
They both settled but he's the only one who doesn't realize it. He makes 70k a year , has his own home, two paid off cars, a great Roth IRA and 100K in crypto of a 7000 dollar investment, while she makes 13 dollars an hour selling Estee Lauder at Macy's.
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Wide-Illustrator2906 3y ago
Everything has it's limitations, trust me, I know this personally. I lost about 70 pounds and started making six figures and I peaked at women who were 5's at best. I learned game and pickup and it helped a little but as far as getting 6s and above, forget about it. It was straight 4's and 5's for relationships with me simping hard and betabuxxing and 3's and under for hookups.
The only thing that really helped me was taking a job where I work overseas in London 9 months out of the year. Because of my job( lawyer) I can freely travel through the European Union. Now. I'm dating a beautiful Slovenian girl who's a solid 8, I've easily hooked up with slavic women who were 6's and 7's. This would be literally impossible if I was in the U.S.A.
As far as the black pill goes, even though I identify more with the red pill I still think it's partially true. Every guy has his ceiling and for some guys it's the very top and for others it's just above the bottom. There is nothing you can really do to change this outside of plastic surgery. I just wish he would have got in better shape and gotten hair transplants so he wouldn't have to settle for a ran thru, star fucking cleat chaser.
XavierMalory 3y ago
“He desperately wants children.”
Will he be OK if they’re not his children?
Wide-Illustrator2906 3y ago
Never thought about that, I hope for his sake she's moved on from her ho phase.
Tiki-Tiger 3y ago
Nevermind that using "incel" as in insult should
be considered a violation of Reddit's Rule 1, and defines people's
worth as being equal to that of their genitals... it also flies in the
face of reality: a lot of women agree with the sentiment. Sure... they
may say that they don't, but actions speak louder than words.
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What I find insidious about the insult is that people do not realize the degree to which women put an inordinate value on perceived social value. Ie, women do not want a man who is handsome, engaging, etc, rather they want a man who is desired by other attractive women.
I guy could be a veritable James Dean, but if he does not have an entourage of frat boys, if it is perceived other women arent into him because he is a loner.... it is a lot harder for him And because it is harder for him, it self perpetuates the artificial disadvantage he has.
I highly recommend I am Charlotte Simmons by Tom Wolf, particularly Adam's narrative....
mustangfrank 3y ago
I had been divorced for about 2 years after being married for 10. I was a member of President’s and First Lady’s Health Club, and I decided to get back into shape. I worked out on certain days and times. Over the months, I recognized people who were on the same work-out schedule as me. I noticed one girl who was working out on the same days and times I was. She was in her late 20’s, about 5 foot 9 or 10”. She was in great shape and pretty.
One day she was working out at a machine about 30 feet from me. There was no one around, so we could talk in private. I thought to myself, “Nothing ventured, nothing gained”, so walked over to her to ask her out. I said these exact words,“ I have seen you work out over the last few months, and you are in great shape and very attractive, and I was wondering if you care to go out sometime?” This is what she said to me in an angry voice. “I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU CAME OVER HERE!” “I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT!”. She then stuck her index finger in my face and said,”I DON’T DATE SHORTER MEN. I was in a state of shock. I stopped listening to her, for I was trying to figure out how to save the conversion, and what I had said to make her so angry. It was because I did not meet her height requirements. I also realized I didn’t deserve this BS, so I walked away with her continuing to squack.
A simple and civil “No thank you” would have been sufficient, but she felt compelled to demean me, because I was not worthy to approach her. That a shorter man, (lower value in her mind), would even think he had a right to approach her much less a chance to date her, was something that had to be addressed right then and there. There was no way she was going to allow this transgression to pass; therefore, I had to be put in my place.
She thought her status was above me, much like a slave holder looked down upon a slave or a nobleman looked down upon a peasant. To a heightist, they are better simply because they are taller, and those who are of less stature are valued less as human beings. It is as plain and as simple as that. I was not a tall man, so I was not valued. I was from a lower class of men, thus no respect was given because I had no status. Furthermore, what is even more troubling about her is her response time. She didn’t take any time to think. It was instantaneous, like a reflex, an action without a thought. Which begs the question, in what society would it be acceptable for a woman to not only reject a man, but also insult him for attempting to ask her out? Where is her introspect? Where is the self-examination of her behavior? In her mind, none was needed. Unfortunately this is how most women think. The above actions are not just of heightist women but of women in general. And this can be proved by visiting any on-line dating site where women shamelessly state in no uncertain terms the height of men they will date.
Tiki-Tiger 3y ago
I do not have a problem that she was not attracted to you because she is taller. I do have a problem with her lack of basic kindness, decency, or compassion. I am sorry that happened to you.
mustangfrank 3y ago
I usually get 2 responses.
First from taller men who cannot believe that women could be so cruel, rude and insulting.
Second from men who have had similar experiences.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 3y ago
Girls that have remained in my life are often shocked at how cruel other women can be to men. I remember taking a big old red pill 2 years ago; I was 33 and invited a 42 year old on a date. Thought she’d have her life together and be friendly and pleasant. Wrong, so very wrong. She was absolutely toxic. She felt the need to excoriate me because I didn’t properly simp for her. But hey, she gave me great advice after the fact: “date younger women, don’t mess with mature women like me”. Noted! Have fun spending the next 40 years of life with box wine.
Tiki-Tiger 3y ago
I hope my response was taken in the manner intended.
mustangfrank 3y ago
no problem. Everything is cool
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
One would have had to have spent one's life under a rock to think women couldn't be that cruel.
BeholdTheHair 3y ago
A lot of taller guys do.
I've said before I'm the only male in my immediate family under 6'. I've had discussions with a couple of my brothers on the subject and they've both been utterly blown away by the kind of vitriol a shorter guy can face due solely to being a shorter guy.
They know (or at least have an idea) how nasty women can be when they feel slighted by something a man did, but the fact so many women can be so petty and vindictive about something literally hard-coded into a man's genetics was simply unthinkable to them.
mustangfrank 3y ago
I wish I had saved some of those quotes from taller men to back me up.
Also, some women will claim heightism does not exist.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
Some women are willing to subdue that instinct, usually if they're taller than normal.
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fantasticfantasy69 3y ago
I concur. I have (and unfortunately for me anyway) have ALWAYS had Chad/Tyrone tier friends and they’re only now coming around (as more red pill information surfaces) to understanding what I’ve been telling them for years before red pill was even a thing. Their perspective is not the same as mine (not bad looking per se but fucking 5’8...)or other non-elite level talent.
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fantasticfantasy69 3y ago
I’m not bitter about my friends they’re dope humans. I did alright in my day although I was a really late bloomer. Different era than now though.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 3y ago
Is that a fucking joke?
Women will admit all kinds of crazy shit if they either:
A) are protected by anonymity, or
B) feel that they're safe from judgment.
I've had exes admit to all kinds of crazy, nasty shit when I kept a neutral or even encouraging tone, and kept my judgment within my head instead of vocalizing it.
(I mean, you don't just up and tell a woman "you are hereby relegated to the role of 'practice chick' and will never be a contender for anything serious".)
I've been in office environments and overheard all kinds of awful conversations among women who either didn't realize I was there or didn't realize I could hear them.
Generally, when it comes to someone so governed by emotions, hormones, and mood swings, saying "they always do this!" or "they never do that!" is highly inaccurate.