guys, did it ever occur to you that it's unfair to arbitrarily drop people into individual silos of rigidity and absolution?

I think a lot of people on here are young, so we should be careful in our perpetuating of this "alpha male" idolatry.

It's great for confidence, I suppose, but an "alpha" in one person's eyes may be a "beta" in the eyes of another.

ie: you can be as ripped as The Rock, lay more pipe than Ron Jeremy, and make more money than Jamie Dimon, but if you're devoid of opinions, intellectually bereft, or worse... one of those uber patriotic, obedient, uninformed, or perhaps think Reagan, Clinton, or Bush 2 were good Presidents.. then yeah you're pretty fucking beta to me.

I've been anti-social, depressed, addicted, etc at times in my life and it's how you recover that shapes your character, not some illusion you display for the opposite sex.

Real confidence is achieved when you know you're fucking different, but own it where she will drip for you in seconds from your charisma, authenticity, wit, intellect and mastery of the English language. I must say I did not achieve this myself until about 33.

just my 2 cents...

It kind of makes sense from evolutionary POV. Why are lions so badass? Because the female lions will only mate with biggest baddest male.

Maybe the world is so messed up because a lot of pretty young women are attracted to thugs.

My experience: Most of my women friends constantly complain about way men treat them, continue to date the men most likely to treat them like shit, eventually end up pregnant/married to one them, wake up 10 years later with three kids, broke and miserable.

It's like a disease they can't get treatment for and just gets worse. If you've got tattoos, sports car, lots of hair product, ripped body and treat women like shit the pussy will almost claw their way into your bed. Being a nice guy who's intelligent and successful, might as well wear a sign that says "unfuckable."

And I get so fucking tired of "men are assholes." But it's what they want. Even with me, I got married to a girl I treated like shit and ignored. Being an asshole worked. Even now, I hear the same complaints. I laugh when a friend acts surprised after the dude with the tribal tattoo and Camaro - that she met at the gym - won't return her calls.

News flash: If women wouldn't date assholes, men would stop being assholes. Or at least there'd be fewer of them.

You boys are soft. Get it together

Men earn; and women spend.

Men create; and women consume.

The idea that gender relations favor men has always been an obscene lie.

Men kill each other for the "privilege" of spending a lifetime providing for a woman.

women are not blameless

But they are. You don't blame a snake/scorpion/spider/whatever for having venom. Nature made them that way.

For 180,000 years of human evolution there was NO law and order. Our ancestors lived in a state of nature which Hobbes described as "nasty, brutish, and short." If a group of 1000 males with swords descended upon a village of 200 men and 200 women the men would be slaughtered and the women made into fuck toys for the men with swords. The women who chose to exhibit loyalty to their husbands died and did not pass on their genetic code. The women who quickly hid their anguish and tried to become the girlfriend of the invading general pass on her genes... and his. We are descended from the raping conquerors... and the disloyal woman who fucked the bad boy general.

There is no blame to assign. Life is cruel and uncaring, so act accordingly. Taking a "waaahh but women shouldn't choose the bad boy!!!" attitude is pointless, weak, and non-productive. It makes as much sense as a fat trigglypuff complaining that men go for thin girls. There is no negotiating attraction and we are all descended from the animals who were willing to fuck, kill, and conquer their way into the next generation.

There was a great quote I read once: "Women, if you want guys to be nice, you should fuck nice guys."

Your post suggests (if not outright declares) that men are indeed violent and aggressive, and that this has been hardwired in their bio-psychology. This opinion capitulates to the feminist propaganda, which you denounce. I wouldn't have a problem with what you write if you limited the explanation of why we observe more aggression in men to the pressure due to women's preference for dominance. But to accept that violence and aggression has become a biological trait, is not scientifically valid.

What you have missed is that the degree of violence that we have come to accept as normal for humans, as well as the female domination on the sexual marketplace, is a recent development, counting not millions, but 10,000 or maximum 20,000 years. This time frame is too short for basic psychological traits to change. For instance, no serious scientist supports that after only 10,000 years humans have adapted to monogamy. Why would we support that men have biologically adapted to higher levels of violence?

There is, of course, capacity for violence and aggression in men. In women too. But we must have in mind that during the human evolutionary period, when humans lived in closely knit tribes of 50-150 persons, violence and aggression was discouraged, and, due to the tight social control, was a losing strategy.

The fact that it has become normal in the past few thousand years, is a testament to how un-human the female reproductive strategy is, when left unchecked.

So, don't accept and don't reproduce female propaganda. Men are kind, loving, honorable, insightful creatures. They only become violent and power-lusting jerks (and not all of them) in an environment where females are free and protected to implement their reproductive strategy.

-Adam

What are we, if not creatures made to reproduce

Been saying this for years, animals have only two purposes in life: 1. Survive and 2. Reproduce.

Obviously one trumps the other. But notice there is nothing in there about moral standards, kindness, aggression. Just do what you need to do to survive and reproduce. Everything else is made up.

With that said, I'd like to see thugs say they were the realist motherfuckers on the block. Acting like they were born to do something. No they did it to survive, to look like the most intimidating motherfucker on the block. Or they did it for the pussy, so they could get status and attract chicks, showing off how bad they are.

When people act like they are bigger than life, that's when you know they are exaggerating for a reason. To live or to let live.

Believe it or not, I was actually a good boy once. Maybe not a nice guy but certainly good matured. That was me at the age of six.

Then came my emotionally unstable single mom, my conniving narcissistic step mom (alcoholic dad liked the crazies) shortly followed by all the woman I've ever dated. Plates, dates and short relationships who let me down one way or another, emotionally attacking you over and over- you know what i'm talking about.

All of them pushing me for many years until I could barely recognize that six your old boy in the family pictures. The family that was destroyed by the plotting women who encompassed it. Neither do I recognize my younger brother and even my father. Twenty four years of female psychopathy.

I'm not blaming all our faults and pains on women. When we became off age we became responsible for our own screw ups. When we were kids though, not so much. Today's world is starting to look more and more like some apocalyptic movie I watched when I was a kid. And we're all in it trying to make the best. We all want a drink in our hands and a bitch on our lap. This is what they wanted.

We are what we are and I'm not sorry

The less I directly care for what my girlfriend wants, the more better she treats me. (There of course is a respective limit but I digress.) It's like the old saying. "You don't know what you have until it's gone."

One small thing by the way,

dominate behavior

This particular misspelled word always brings me down.

the popular zeitgeist of the day

Worthy of note: so-called Jews own, design, and run the zeitgeist. Media, entertainment, popular music, television, movies, publications, all your main go-to websites, etc.

You can't throw a rock without hitting anything that's culturally marxist, or run by "Jews."

When we talk about "unplugging," how refreshing it is, and how things start to make more sense when we unplug; the prevailing zeitgeist is precisely what we are unplugging from.

"Thugs" & "White Knights" are just two manifestations of divergent mating strategies, one based in the conscious mind and the other in the subconscious. White knights think, "Women want men who are 'Noble' and 'Good'. I know this because it is what women say they want, and which has been written down in the Fables of Disney for generations! Lo, as I am more Noble and Good than other men, therefore yon maiden fair maiden be moist in the petticoats for me! Though, yea, I shall not succumb to my baser instincts until our troth is pledged! Then and only then shall I place a single chaste kiss upon her nose!"

Thugs, meanwhile, understand what women actually want. Why do they want it? Should not in a modern, civilized society should women not want faithful, hard-working, reliable men? Should not our Asian brothers with STEM degrees be totally scoring with blonde cheerleaders? Yes, well, we're not playing "should'ves".

"I can't believe she dumped me for that Nice Guy!!!" - said no Outlaw Biker or Escaped Mental Patient, ever.

Our genes have not even begun to catch up with our technology. Thus, we are hardwired for the world as it existed thousands of years ago, when tall, muscley, bold, overconfident guys scored vag because, in that world, they were the most likely to succeed at hunting and at not getting eaten by Sabertooths, thus giving the female's offspring the best chance of survival. Incidentally, the evo-psych behind shit tests arises from this, also: women shit test you to see if you are strong enough to be their man, as it were. Why? Because if you can't stand up to a woman for crissakes, how are you going to protect her and any future offspring from external threats?

It's all in your genes, fellas, and hers, and our soupy, primordial lizard brains.

I certainly don't condemn men who conform to the lowest common denominator to attract women because they have learned this actually works. However, I do condemn society for degenerating to this level.

Coincidently the latest episode of American Dad has a sideplot were Steve got ditched by a seemingly nice girl for a bad boy (the guy was like 25 and she was 14!) and the girl used him because his good boy personality tricked her parents into thinking she was going to the dance with him. Steve later on sells his service to other girls in high school so they can fuck bad boys while their parents think they're out with Steve. Steve planned on using the money to buy a motorcycle and become a bad boy himself but by the near the end of the sideplot the promiscuity of the girls backfires on them and a dangerous disease from it spreads.

women are the reason war exists. men by nature are cooperative with each other for the benefit of all who earn their place.

Again...

The Child Support Laws are the true root of the Cad.

Chad "The Cad" Thundercock was well known by women in the days before 1950. They knew his sexual dominance and Dark Triad psychopathy was the closest thing to heroin a woman could get hooked up with.

But women also knew that a Cad "pumps and dumps" the bitches he fucks and without the State there enforcing Child Support Laws that act as a kind of State Based Forced Marriage he was gone the moment the sperm left his penis.

So women avoided the Cads because they feared the consequences.

The State, by making slavery in the form of Child Support possible, has created the present day Chad "The Cad" Thundercock.

When the State inverts nature then the natural selection process becomes redirected in the direction of the inversion.

Women today fear no consequences... so they fuck Chad.

 

Why do white knights and gamer nerds exist?

I feel like this is coming from the wrong frame entirely. Guys aren't thugs because thugs get women, guys are thugs, which GETS women. Alphas aren't the ones doing things to try to get girls, their the ones who do their own thing and because of that, girls are DRAWN to them. It's the same end result, but the place its coming from is entirely different.

Women fuck thugs because she is designed to produce strong healthy kids its nature way of making sure the tribe was tuff enouigh to survive the elements its a reason her vag gets wet for thugs and dry for betas but she will pick the nice guy to impress society and become miserable until she can finds an alpha cock on the side.

We lock up scores of young men. About 1% of americans are in jail. When they get out their tendencies to get caught with drugs has brought them into criminal networks. In jail they hardened. Now theyre fully thugs.

I sat with a 35 year old black man who had just gotten out who was on his way home. I asked him what the problem was. I thought maybe it was education or a racist system. He said the problem was young black men. They wanted to roll the dice. My take is that the culture of the bad streets encourages young men to make mistakes

men are the ones who CAUSE war

Women encourage men to go to war, women have the majority of the vote, women are fine with wars so long as they themselves don't have to suffer the consequences too much.

This makes total sense.

You can't demand something and then get angry because it exists and you have to deal with the side effects of said thing. Women definitely have a hand in the dynamic of beta/submissive vs alpha/aggressive. By nature, they choose the one that THEY want, it does not matter if they choose it subconsciously or consciously - they are involved in the selection process and if they wanted the beta/submissive men then those betas would be what men needed to be in order to get access to the warm wet holes women use as currency. Instead, they chose and have chosen the alpha type for centuries, it's written in history.

Very true. One of the few true greats of anthropology, Napoleon Chagnon nearly got ousted from his field simply for pointing this out. You can imagine how badly this rustled the jimmies of most social "scientists".

Good point. It just goes to show that "traditional" gender roles are the result of maximizing the efficiency of pre-industrial societies. And psychologically, we are all perpetually primitive hunter-gatherers.

Well put. Got some links along these lines I'll share tomorrow.

There are many wars that are caused by women, but not always in the conventional sense. The American Congress, who votes for wars is 19% female, Attila the Hun waged war against Rome so that he could marry Roman royalty, Cleopatra convinced Caesar to get rid of her brother so she can rule Egypt, and the mythical Trojan War was started all because of stolen pussy.

It mostly has to do with women wanting to fuck warrior men. It's been that way since the dawn of time.

Read some of the books from The Iliad. Some of the women featured in this collection of homeric epochs will straight up shame their men for losing in battle. The same way a woman will lose respect for a man today who comes home with a pink slip from work.

But back in these days, the warriors were often intelligent men who were citizens (when citizenry wasn't just something handed out to anyone born on a landmass) statesmen and wealthy men were warriors and dying an early death in battle was seen as a masculine thing. Women were referred to as "prizes" (real life trophy wife lol). King Agamemnon's beef with the city of Troy was over a woman.. Imagine that… A war of men all waged so the King could get his woman back from an enemy king and prove his worth.

Women fuck thugs because thugs see what they want and take it without asking questions. Thugs have balls to do shit without worrying about what others think about. When a chick has a thug as a boyfriend, she won't have to deal with thirsty betas trying to get in her pants because thug life will beat the bloody pulp out of them for even asking her on a date. Lots of thug life types are surprisingly "sweet" and "romantic" at moments too.

I was kind of hot headed when I was in my early 20s and hungout with a group of tough guys. A lot of us rode motorcycles and had dads, uncles, older brothers who rode bikes too. It's kind of the culture around here. Anyway, we used to get into fist fights now and then with other guys our age over dumb shit. Most of it had to do with chicks and jealousy. There was one night a drunk guy was being irritable on the subway, he pulled my hat in front of my eyes as he was about to exit the train. I immediately got up, pushed him up against the way, socked him 3 sucker punches in the mouth and threw him out the subway car door onto the platform where he landed on his chest like a sad drunk oaf. My girlfriend at the time as there and I never saw her so excited. She came up and gave me a big hug and kiss while our whole friend group was like "whoa shit! Nice!" and congratulating me for humiliating that guy.

A similar thing happened when we had a confrontation with some guys we had a problem with and I got my ass kicked. I had to get my face stitched up but I think my girlfriend was proud to see I'd fought anyone and could lose without getting emotional or feeling like a loser. She helped me clean up and brought me to the hospital that night. We had also been going through some issues and not having sex lately, that night after I got stitched up she fucked me til the sun came out.

Women don't want to fuck skinny, fat, fragile men because their body type alone proves they can't ward off other men and they lack the warrior/defender abilities. Also, I think we can agree overly-emotional men or men who whine about everything are generally just giant pussies and to-be-cucks if they are to enter a relationship with anyone.

This is why when a lot of us came here we were angry at women, because we were all that beta male who experienced failure after failure wondering "What the fuck's up?" "Why are women such self-centered sluts?" Now, a lot of us merely just accept the nature of humans and learned to get our heads in the game if we want to reap any rewards.

Precisely, I am reading "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins now and this makes me link the your idea to it, and it makes perfect sense. Think of it this way, if being aggressive is a bad behaviour and women find it unattractive, then they would not have descendents with a man like this, and such men would die out pretty fast in the process of evolution.

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