When you say you still have sex regularly, is it you or her initiating it? I ask because I want to know if despite her shitty attitude she still desires you.

I can't imagine being this conceited and shallow lol. A small part of me feels bad for you - but most of me feels like you're a pussy who needs to grow tf up. I feel bad for your kids more than anything.

Imagine hating the person who helped give you your kids this much? Maybe that's why she's mean to you dude, she can tell you think she's disgusting.

Sad to hear my man. Do what truely makes you happy and talk to your wife because it seems their are a lot of underlying issues. Make the most while you're young fellas.

Hint: Choosing the right women is THE most important decision you make in your life. Fuck it up and you will be in hell for a long time.

My wife is currently prego with out 2nd. Shit gets tough especially with her being moody and tired but that's what I signed up for. We were fighting a good deal a while ago so she pushed us to go to marriage counseling and it's really helped. The female therapist we have basically just listened and told us ways to fix shit day to day. Changed things 180 degrees and we've been doing great. Didn't take sides at all and just dealt with our points of conflict. Honestly 3 years ago I would call me a pussy for suggesting it but maybe invest a little time with a therapist. Couldn't hurt and could make things 100x better after a few sessions. I think the biggest benefit is my wife gets to feel like she's heard and the ratchets down the drama to try and get attention. Good luck

Interesting read...

If you stay in something like that then you're choosing to be a cuck honestly.

Not cause she's not attractive enough. Not cause she's mean.

But because he doesn't seem to respect the person he is if he's staying in that relationship.

Yes society might judge you. Something might go wrong with a divorce. Same if you try and tell her you want something different from the relationship. But there's nothing worse that becoming someone you can no longer respect.

And so there's nothing more important in life than managing your own actions and the ones of those around you to ensure you don't become bitter and resentful towards the world.

He's not helping the kid either. The kid needs to see that his father respects himself and doesn't let agonizing resentment chip away at his soul until the day he dies.

The kid doesn't need to see two people who hate each other stay together. And neither does society.

Back in the days it would benefit to society, and yeah a stable family life is very fucking useful for a kid.

But this sounds nothing like stability or a loving home for the kids to grow up in.

If you want to be of value to the world; your workplace, your friends, your partner(s), society then you can't be encumbered by this kind of toxicity.

It doesn't matter the reason, it matters how you feel.

It doesn't matter the consequences, only that you act with dignity and respect towards yourself and others.

Break the fuck up with her if it's messing with your head that much. Or negotiate an open relationship.

Anything but becoming a bitter and resentful old man.

Gotta say fairplay for telling it like it is and not holding back or sugar-coating.

You clearly do not understand sexual polarity.

Your wife mirrors you. Container and water.

So do you not like what's beneath her surface enough to justify her body being destroyed by children as expected? Seems like you just married a trophy wife with about as much personality as yourself if all you have to complain about is her looks? What about her? Is she a bitch or is she kind and loving? That's where the magic is. Every dime turns into a nickel man.

You're honestly pathetic.

Married man with children obsessing over pussy like a teenager. Jesus christ man.

Maybe if you weren't such a simp your wife wouldn't treat you like shit.

Here you are, whining about how much you hate your wife's body on the internet. Then you blame her for treating you like shit.

Act your age. You aren't single. You aren't 20 years old. Be a man.

And if anyone wants to say "blah blah TRP is about focusing on yourself!!!"

If you put your own WANTS ahead of your children's needs you are human garbage. End of story.

Do not buy the entire Wal-Mart corporation because you like Wal-Mart brand cereal.

Do not marry because you want the sex.

Dude stfu and get your life together. Not only have you cheated on your wife with a highschool student but you also have an illegitimate child with another women (look at his other posts). Sounds to me like you're extremely irresponsible and just plain stupid.

Look bro. I went through This worked my but off and wanted to take a brake after slaving my ass off for a decade. She divorced me 3 months after. Woman do not give a shit about us men. She doesn’t value you, your time what you provide, anything you have to offer. She will drop you in a heart beat and be supported by everyone, while you are the bad guy. loose your job, what ever, your done, out the door sleeping in your car. My good friend broke both his legs and had to spend 4 months in hospital, his wife hired a baby sitter went clubbing and jumped on a few cocks while he was in hospital she didn’t care they had kids she didn’t work.

Other comments on this sub have advised u to suck it up u made the decision. I believe that is a double standard. You need to use your time wisely, be prepared for divorce and test if she will stay through a hard financial situation, assuming you are the man of the house and have your shit together.

Your life is your life.

Post like this makes me want to go child free and WGTOW

You're with a gf that is both not attractive to you and a bitch? GTFO

Sounds like you're a good dad. Maybe you can get 1/2 custody. (Maybe there are social media posts form her talking about what a great dad you are? if so save them)

All the divorce stuff TRP warns about is real. If you are as unhappy as you sound in this post it is going to end within a few years anyway when you are so miserable you cant take it any more. Might as well plan your exit. Good Luck.

> And fuck a pussy I am disgusted by for the rest of my earthly days while those of my bro's who were smart enough not to get locked down continue to fuck hot twenty-something pussy and discarding it when necessary.

Sorry, my friend. Thank you for sharing.

Just curious, how bad is her cooch after 2 kids? Stretched out and very loose? I don't have a frame of reference so I'd love to know.

Tough situation, man. I hope you can maybe get her some cosmetic surgery or something.

Divorce her. Life is too short to be miserable.

Hey dude. I want to give you some personal feedback after going through a similar situation.

This really worked for me. Try it out and see how you feel.

I was also going through a phase of "oh fuck, what have I done?" I was no longer physically attracted to my SO at a level that I determined to be acceptable. So I developed a new goal. My aim was to build sexual tension in the relationship, even though I was no longer finding my SO to be that attractive. I rationalized that I needed that sexual tension in order to *want* to get better, to improve myself, and to look forward to sex, rather than to just do it because it was there.

I instituted a regimen of looking at soft porn (no penetration; no sex; just beautiful female models, a la FemAngels or FemJoy) for no more than 10 minutes each morning, and then not masturbating or having sex.

Within about a week, I was really amped up and starting to look at my SO differently, and starting to feel differently too. I could feel tension rise up within me. I used that tension within me to build sexual tension between the two of us. After about a week, I allowed sex again.

I kept up the soft porn viewing habit for several weeks and then naturally stopped. That was several months ago.

As I elevated the tension between us, she got more attractive both objectively (because she started to get more fit and more submissive, responding to the increased tension), and subjectively, from my own point of view (because I was hornier). The results seem to have lasted.

At last check in, there was a very pretty girl, about 10 years younger, who was presenting the opportunity for a one-time cheating. And I did not consider it for more than a couple minutes :-) My rel with my girl is too valuable to give up on at this point, when I weigh the balance of my particular situation.

However, all of that said, if you don't find your girl to be enjoyable to be with, because she's mean and you can't find your way to getting her back in line, then you're in trouble and you may need to get out. All the tools in this sub, however, should be able to help you get that under control, driving her to be both less mean and also take better care of her body.

But again, if the work isn't worth the effort, if you feel like you will get more meaning and satisfaction out of life not being in the relationship, like the world will be a better place for it, then god speed.

In either case, best of luck.

Should have stopped after the first kid. Why have bunch of kids in a first place? One is more than enough. Kids do not happen in accident either. There's contraception and other stuff for males to make them sterile.

You got into this situation yourself and everybody knows that women deteriorate after pregnancy much faster. It is public knowledge. Just like divorce rape. Nowadays all men are aware of it more or less just that many men seem to not give a fuck until they get burned.

Sure she can work out and have nicier body but did she? She didn't. Reap what you sow. Your tale isn't a warning but seems like a blog post of how you fucked up. Good luck.

Why do you think she has become mean?

Raising kids really is tough. Losing your attractiveness takes a big mental toll on anyone too. You're never getting your perky little 20yo minx back, but you can have a better relationship if you can manage to cooperate and build each other up instead of showing such open disgust for each other. Get her in on your fitness time. Buy a really good home gym if you have to. TRP rules don't really matter after you have three kids.

You’re making a decent case for (limited) polygamy in society. Not arab king style, where women are hoarded, but to help men who’s wives have hit the wall hard and early, but still want to maintain a home for the kids.

It sounds like elements to her personality don’t help—not that being a sweet, kind woman, suddenly makes a post-wall woman sexy, but a lousy attitude on a post-wall woman can make things worse.

Have sex with the lights off, so you don’t see her flaws so much. Don’t jerk off to porn—if you’re a bit more sex-starved by not getting release so regularly, marginally attractive women start to look better by the sheer power of male hormones.

Encourage her to lift, which can help work against gravity. This part is hard though, because she has to be motivated herself. You might have to bite the bullet and workout with her, and make it seem like a couples thing, as demoralizing as that sounds.

Why don't you get her to workout and keep it as a lifestyle so she maintains at least half of her former self and not end up like this.

Just lol at the amount of blue pillers flooding this sub.

Hey op, don't feel guilty for a second, your wife didn't have those kids for you, she was following her own agenda. And guess what she has served her biological purpose.

Just because her biological purpose was fulfilled doesn't mean yours was. Divorce her and still be the best father you can be.

Go spread your seed again. Sexual strategy is amoral. Go find a new young little thing.

Now for the rest of my life, provided we do not divorce or whatever (which, in some ways, would even feel like a release), I will have to wake up to this woman. Stretch marks. Saggy tits. Enormous wrinkly nipples covering most of her chest. Flabby, toneless belly.

In rightwing narratives you see that people get money, then they get older and want to prevent others from climbing up the economic ladder to where they are, so they seek to sabotage the people below them. Starting you out with massive college debt, calling poor people losers, etc etc.

This same dynamic is what's happening on the left with women. They used to have power because of their sexuality, they get older and it diminished. Feminism is about trying to sabotage the younger women they'd compete with - both by sabotaging the women and saboting the men that would go after them.

She is your wife and the mother of your kids, would you like if she talked this way about you here on reddit?

Question : Did you even TRY to get her to start lifting and yoga? Hint : She's not going to do it on her own because she'll be enjoying the rush of worrying about the process, kids, diapers, laundry, shopping, bills, what she imagines you think about her, disgusted that she's no longer pretty, fear of losing everything, overwhelmed by the thought that it might take years of working out to get her body back, and worried that all this worrying is going to ruin her day (yes worried about being worried) -- and yet she would rather feel the rush of emotion than actually recognizing that she can do something about it and better should.

TL : DR - the everything box.

Dude, you need to bring in some more masculinity to put her back in order. Negative thinking and emotions are a poison that becomes addictive nevertheless. What you eat to gain muscles is only one part of diet, the mental diet is just as important.

And what about your own body? Did you take a look in the mirror? You might be getting fat, having a receding hairline, you might have forgotten the whole art of attraction (of how you started escalating from a date and led it up to sex, whereas after marriage it's probably just do it like masturbating before sleep). By the way, how much do you sleep? Sleep deprivation and low energy levels is usually a big factor in all this.

What about your mind? Most people think 20000 thoughts in a day, much of which is negative BS and the same as yesterday. By that I also mean emotion, because feelings are just juicier forms of the same force - your mind.

Most relationships improve only when the man improves himself first and then expects his wife to step up rather than just letting her seethe in her emotions and make a lot of noise, but nothing else.

When your wife is too busy swimming in her pain and worry instead of doing something about it, there's no more room for Mr. Nice Guy. You need to become the drill sergeant that takes her shit and makes her turn it into manure for a better garden. She'll work out if she realizes there's no other choice. She'll be forced to think positive for a change if you insist on a mental workout every morning. She'll give you an epic resentment shit test. She will, like a truant child, say that you're oppressive and what not. When her body and her mood get back into shape, she'll one day tell her kids how strong you are that you won't take any shit and you should be respected. Sorry, masculine love has never been Mr. Nice Guy. It's always Mr. Leader who knows what's good for you. You've got to ramp up the strictness and take no shit. You don't ask her for how she feels about it, you order her to do it. And if she's worried about something, you will tell her what you're gonna do about that, but she's working out now, no excuses.

Women...they're just like kids. Without a strong masculine, they'll just sink.

A woman will only look as good and be as kind as is required by her environment.

The only chance a woman has to have a decent body post baby is if she lifts weights, as in real lifting with programmed complexes. Cardio bunnies become flat asses and flappy arms.

Maintain frame, set the example, point your woman to the squat rack, and thank yourself later. Or send her to Crossfit. Those bitches are hnnnggggg.

Source: dude with a lot of kids and a wife with a soft 6 pack

You know, op, I read all about how your wife got worse with age in every way and how that is a detriment to you. But, what I did not read was how you progressed down your life's path during these years.

Your wife fulfilled her evolutionary, biological life's purpose. Did you remain on track in your growth and development. Did you continue to learn who you are and never stop striving to be better?

Maybe your wife had kids, lost her youthful body and became a bitch. But maybe her nagging, bitch attitude was brought on because, while she turned into a human baby making machine, you remained the same person in every way. Maybe she unknowingly resents you for not being all you could be in your role as her husband, in your role as a man?

Do you think, maybe, if you were continually developing yourself and discovering new, meaningful ways to be, live and love, she would inevitably continue down the hag path?

I don't know, but there is always two sides to every story.

IDK man, everything you've described sounds like a standard marriage: wife loses shape after bearing multiple children, sex drives goes down, she becomes annoying etc. A responsible man has to know this will happen and make a tough decision on whether or not the difficulty of marriage is worth the prize of having your own family.

I think there’s something to be said for marrying a less attractive or slightly plump girl if you’re going to get married. Of my friends wives, the most pleasant and beautiful now are the ones that weren’t as hot to begin with. They still appreciate you more and feel like they’re lucky to have you, because they know what looks like to be staring loneliness in the face. They also don’t feel like they cashed in their chips for you because they’re not accustomed to the feeling of unlimited spending potential that copious amounts of male attention from all directions can create.

I would say, maybe try fucking a younger thing on the side to satisfy your urges? While you’re at it, keep your home and family secure. Don’t let your needs affect the well being of your family.

If you think divorce is the way, you're wrong . You will be fucked for the rest of your life. Scars never heal properly. Forget about pleasures, you will long for a laugh a day 10 years down the line.

Stop thinking with your dick. You think like my rabbit who just wants to fuck. Be the captain. Take control. You can change her behaviour. Go on adventures together, try new things - esp in bed. If sex is not great then it is because you are boring. Not her. Stop playing the blame game. Your life is miserable because you are the cause. You change, life changes.

Good luck. Be wise. Don't let animal instincts lead you. Be human. We have the smartest brain in the whole universe. Use it for once. (;

Boiled down to essences, your situation is: you chose to get married young, and chose to have kids. Doing so had its inevitable toll on your wife's body. Much of your attraction to women is to physical components, and hers got blown out as a result of you having sex with her and sex doing what sex was designed to do, i.e., procreate. (I mean, it's not like she was in a car accident and that made her tits saggy.)

Also, she became bitchy. Unappreciative of you, and prone to complain.

Instead of fixing any of your problems, you're contemplating leaving the role of father-in-the-family so you can go bang younger, tighter women. And evidently, you'd be okay with some other man stepping into that role, as long as you could fuck hotter women.

You're where you are as a result of choices you made, and you don't want to accept the responsibility for those choices. She can't fix her saggy tits or raggedy nipples. But she could fix her nasty attitude. You could assume captaincy of your family and take responsibility for the happiness of yourself and all the members of the family, including your wife.

"Hey, honey. I made an appointment for us to go see a marriage counselor. You're not happy and neither am I. Let's go find out in detail what's making you unhappy and see if there's anything we can do to change that, make it better." Don't mention her shitty tits because there's nothing either one of you can do about that, so it would be unfair to put that on the table.

The only one at fault for you not getting to bang hot young women when you were in your twenties is you. Own that shit.

My girlfriend got knocked up when I was just about to sail off into the sunset --literally, in the cruising sailboat I had built. And my "got knocked up" I mean, "I knocked her up. I was responsible." And, she turned into a bitch the second the child was born. I left... but came back. I had had a son. I couldn't not be there for him. I had to be the one to put band-aids on his knees, teach him how to ride a bike, show him how to shoot a .22 rifle, and all the rest of it. I stayed married to a nasty bitch and made it as good as I could for all of us. My sailboat sat in our yard and deteriorated over the next 25 years. (I'm just now finishing the restoration of it.)

I missed out on banging hot bitches. Big fucking deal. I raised a healthy, happy kid into a healthy, happy man with a happy life he loves.

Marriage/children is the biggest trap there is. You're a fool for falling for the hype.

The state of mind bothers me. A woman that has given up on her looks knows that her man isn't going anywhere and her being a bitch to you is just reinforcing that statement.

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Apply dread and start to flirt, tease other women. Be prepared to walk away from it all though and once gone, you'll be shunned but at least you'll be free.

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However, if she notices that you're the masculine red pilled guy, you'll see that she'll come around and start to take care of herself. Don't negotiate attraction and never tell her what you want her to do but make it apparent that you still have options.

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But know this, if/when she decides to test your mantle and you fail, you'll lose that chance and the balls on her court for taking the kids and half your shit. So weight that choice heavily when making your play and make no mistake it's up to you to take ownership and act on this debacle you're in.

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Best of luck.

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Ok, that’s your marriage. But let’s look at this another way. You guys stay together despite her skinny ass and low hanging fruit. You get a little older, you get fuckin cancer. Your wife takes you to your doctors, she cleans up your piss and vomit, she puts you to bed, feeds you, your kids help you up and visit you, they sit with you cause you’re so fuckin sick you just wanna die. They’re company. Versus- you divorce her skinny ass, you have a stroke, you end up alone, nobody gives a shit, no kids around, you fall and break your leg, you lie there for days and die there alone, but at least you didn’t need to see a bitch around that got a little saggy. You ain’t gonna be 28 forever. Maybe make it work. I know someone here is gonna say divorce and get a hotter younger bitch. I say- more baggage or just different baggage and the potential for worse shit down the road. Make it work. You can’t change reality all the time, or even most of the time.

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As a female loses her assets she lashes out. This is a common theme. She gets more and more miserable losing her only asset, and she gets mad at everyone else.

99% of women have no personality and only identify themselves on how they look. Losing looks is like us men losing our penis, money, and future all at once.

Not that she was ever going to get prettier but do you think that she may have let her nutrition slip for some years? If she didn't keep up on her vitamin C and minerals then her collagen would go to shit and it doesn't seem like it ever recovers. Over ten years ago I dated a woman who before I was with her had culted out on a hard core vegan diet where they all shamed and competed with each other. It destroyed the collagen bouncy stuff in her tits and it just never came back. That is basically accelerated aging from malnutrition. She had a great body from current activity but like you wrote her tits got sloppy real fast.

Does your wife even try to be in good shape or is she just settling on her "mom bod". When women are 18 they don't have to do shit but walk around a little and dance on Friday to have a super attractive look. Then later they often don't do shit. For example I bet during your laziest moments you look at the ground with guilt and just get down and bust out at quick 40 pushups. Is there any equivalent like that for her or is it fuck all?

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Dude go get some side pussy. It is probably the best thing you can do for your marriage at this point.

And start saving up so your wife can get some minor work done. Youd be surprised how nice some of these fake boobs are now.

As bad as this is, if and when she starts getting physically desirable again you can guarantee she's got someone in the wings. Don't just assume it's Christmas in July and she's finally come around to you. In fact I'd craft a divorce plan right now with the primary trigger in mind being infidelity.

Hey OP, have you ever suggested she exercise or have a cosmetic surgery to repair her body? Like, a breast lift, breast enlargment, fix the saggy belly, etc. Maybe the reason she is mean to you is because she no longer feels attractive and she notices your lack of attraction to her.

Think about it, it's like investing some money on an old car that you want to keep for your whole life, to make it look nice.

Not white knighting, but you seem to have a solid relationship, just lacking lust for each other, so I think it would be worth trying to repair the relationship on that regard.

It’s really obvious that you don’t frequent married red pill. If you do then shame on you because your wife being negative is all on you. All of the readings teach it and with enough attention to detail you’ll see that your wife behaves however you let her. If your wife is negative to you it’s because she doesn’t respect you and that’s your fault for not being respectable. This wasn’t post a RP lesson. This was a glorified victim puke and nothing more.

Thank you for your honesty brave man. Hang in there.

I think this happens in most marriages and it's not just the wife looking worse a lot of time the guy will look like shit to, once people have a partner and they get married they just get complacent and no longer put in the effort.

I needed this. Good luck soldier the fight never ends.

OP most women I've met over 30 have cunty, overly entitled attitudes. Some of them keep heir bodies in check and exercise regularly and have those tight little yoga bodies - but their entitlement is off the charts.

So what do you suggest? That we don’t have kids? That we don’t stay married to the mothers of our children?

Thanks for posting. My mom once told me if you want to know how a woman ages, look at her mom.

Does she even go to the gym? Cause that's clearly a factor too

She hates you because she WAS hot, and your baby fucked that over completely. Do you blame her?

Do you think she doesn't realize that you think she's disgusting now? If she were to find your account and read this post. I bet you she wouldn't be in the least bit surprised.

YOU decided to have multiple babies with her. That's what cucked you, not the marriage.

edit: multiple babies, not just one. Jesus man.