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originalOdawg 6y ago
Where is the headline that should read - @ men vilified and tormented as of late - a modern perspective on why men in power positions are being burnt at the stake on a witch hunt for destroying men - including many men that are burning their fellow man at the stake to only further their own careers and push this agenda
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Trpogre 6y ago
Why doesn't Ansari share her name and sue for libel? I FUCKING WOULD
IllHornet 6y ago
rams you from behind and throws you on the ground
points a finger on your forehead
Listen here bud....never fucking harass a woman like that again!
Never! Spits in your face
Got it?
Trpogre 6y ago
Point noted. The white knights will murder you.
Society is fucked
[deleted] 6y ago
This whole "metoo" movement is a perfect example of how fucked western society really is.
Thank god I am now living abroad and don't have to deal with western society and western girls anymore.
goodpillgonebad 6y ago
He looks creepy he creeped her obv ????????♂️
Tzeentch_Gnosis 6y ago
Girl Game # I don't care: Heartiste says never suck a dick before he penetrates you if you want a Disney ending.
She was never going to get one but still, she could have still played all THOSE cards right. But whatever.
Onidramon 6y ago
Basically, if you become too famous in the current climate and you've had any sexual encounters whatsoever within the last 50 years, there's a 75% chance you're gonna get hit with that bullshit. Having a 15-page signed and dated contractual agreement to one toothy blowjob is pretty much even more essential to the western man's safety today than a condom.
There's never been a better time to be a high status guy with a low profile, but fly too close to the sun and know the cuckening of Icarus
[deleted] 6y ago
"The cuckening of Icarus" is the funniest shit I've heard all day. You are a poet.
DetectiveDing-Daaahh 6y ago
That last sentence is pure gold.
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Dio_Brando_Joestar 6y ago
What should he have done differently to avoid this ?
Pineappl35 6y ago
TLDR: Liberal chick gets burned by social white knight.
PabloAsscrowbar 6y ago
Will Aziz come out and say, 'I Ansari for what I have done.'
Steve-2112 6y ago
What really rubbed me the wrong way about this entire story is "Grace" and her love of his marble countertops and it being the same building as Taylor Swift. This was 100% hypergamy she even got Aziz's number while she was on a date with another man.
ap426 6y ago
When Aziz has more game than you.
rationalthought314 6y ago
Just because a woman is actively blowing you doesn't mean she's giving consent - feminist "logic"
KirthWGersen 6y ago
The scary thing about the Ansari case is that his accuser says that she changed her mind after the fact and yet there are many vocal feminists who still class his behaviour as abuse. It makes a mockery of the whole concept of consent:
"Grace says her friends helped her grapple with the aftermath of her night with Ansari. “It took a really long time for me to validate this as sexual assault,” she told us. “I was debating if this was an awkward sexual experience or sexual assault. And that’s why I confronted so many of my friends and listened to what they had to say, because I wanted validation that it was actually bad.”
She texts him, dates him, consents to sex, goes down on him twice. But when she looks back, she was not 100% satisfied and since he is famous and because presumably she can get some attention/money out of it (me too! me too!) SHE COMPLETELY CHANGES HER VIEW OF WHAT HAPPENED. And it is her subsequent feeling about the event that are real, not the actual facts.
If giving a man a blowjob is not "enthusiastic consent" what the fuck is?
And then there is the invasion of his privacy, describing the consensual sex they had together to the world. Do famous people now have to get an NDA signed as well as a consent form before sex?
Personally, I'd sue her for libel.
[deleted] 6y ago
It's because he hypnotized her.
He raped her body and mind.
sadomasochrist 6y ago
Ahh yes, the ol' "pleasure her because you're only interested in yourself routine." Her conclusion, AMALT.
I mean as a thought exercise, what possible alternative reality could exist in this situation? How could this have even proceeded in a way that didn't cause this outcome?
The actual conclusion to this, is the only way, was for him to be more viscerally attractive.
This is an unintentional meta debate about the mechanisms of female self rationalization that plugged in men are trying to sort out without the requisite knowledge to understand what is happening here.
If we were more developed as a society, we'd be able to simply point out that "hey, you're operating naively, and bazaarly we might add, and all that really happened here is you didn't find him that attractive and the sex was bad."
But here we are having sloppy philosophical arguments about bad sex with men that are weak, and women who do not understand themselves.
zephyrprime 6y ago
It's ridiculous to think that just being more viscerally attractive could have saved him.
Your_Coke_Dealer 6y ago
President Clinton would beg to differ
yes_we_can_t 6y ago
Nah, he could have been way more smooth in seducing her. His behavior was needy, which lowers his attractiveness leaps and bounds.
E.g. her lmr where she tells him to chill, he should be disaffected, but withdraw attention completely. Chill a bit, then reconnect at a level she's comfortable with.
Even telling her to leave if she's not interested is a better strategy than immediately picking up at a hardcore level.
chemicalprogrammer 6y ago
I mean sometimes shit just doesn't click for whatever reason. Every guy in here taking Aziz to task for "being beta" has had similar experiences.
[deleted] 6y ago
/u/sadomasochrist did you read the original story?
He didn't really even get to LMR, he rushed her out of dinner before she even finished and went for oral within minutes of getting back to his apartment. Sounds like lack of general social awareness and he's creating discomfort during comfort. It worked to that extent because he is pseudo-famous and the apartment/location was famous, that was the RP aspect of his "success", but it wasn't enough to get much further and he toed the the lines of legality. It wasn't that different from the Harvey Weinstein stories.
He needed to read the Game rather than attempt to write his own book for a quick buck off his unrelated fame. Good luck to anyone reading it after this story.
sadomasochrist 6y ago
My point stands. This is why we have a disdain for PUA at TRP to an extent. You're basically pointing out if his blue pill game was stronger he'd be okay. When otherwise, no such thing would be necessary and he wouldn't even be in this situation.
yes_we_can_t 6y ago
If your point is that if he was more attractive this wouldn't be a problem, you're right. Be hot enough and you can be as needy as a baby and still get laid (though badly).
I'm making a different point. If he wasn't so needy he'd probably not been on the front page today. This has nothing to do with blue pill game, only seduction.
Secondly, I'm repeating a well proven way to beat LMR: Chill out.
I'm using PUA lingo, because it's more specific and useful than "Be attractive, hold frame!" Much of the PUA stuff is just bullshit faking attractive signals, while red pill is actually becoming an attractive man.
However, don't forget that much of that stuff has had thousands of men working for years refining techniques and documenting what works and what doesn't. That's how we got to where we are today.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Calling PUA tactic to disarm LMR BP like calling guns murderous.
Godskook 6y ago
My disdain for PUA is about goals and philosophy, not technique. I'm not a big fan of 1-night stands. I want an LTR, and I want to actually become the man, not just fake it. But I still glean from PUA because good technique is good technique. I'll figure out how to integrate it into a self-actualization philosophy.
Indubitably_Confused 6y ago
Yes. There are times where I mistakenly believe that our society was/is advanced/advancing. But honestly it's more akin to sophisticated, abstracted turd slinging.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
His mistake was that he wasn't "nice" enough to her or "treat her right".
What transpired was this: swipl girl - and we know she white and liberal - gets the tingles for short-ish, middling celebrity brown guy. Swipl girl happily goes on date with said guy, gives the pussy up too soon, and, ex post facto, realizes that she was just a pump-n-dump, and Aziz was not going to be her ticket to a bi-coastal, literary, profiled-in-Vanity Fair lifestyle.
Result? "I was RAAAAAAAAYPED!!!" with the goal of running Aziz' career.
But...but...but HE SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP ON THE NON-VERBAL CLUEZ!!! /s
Be careful out there, fellas, and stay the fuck away from 99% of American women.
Lexietherott 6y ago
If someone wants to give you a BJ they will position themselves and go for it. If you’re having to shove her head in your dick that’s a reasonable non-verbal sign that she didn’t want to ..you know cos if she did you wouldn’t have to physically push her head. Yeah maybe you REALLY want a BJ and maybe most girls accept being led, but that doesn’t mean all girls do and so you’re just doing it anyway cos getting the BJ is worth the risk that you are shoving a girl on your dick who doesn’t want to.
Have you ever had a dick shoved in your mouth when you clearly had chosen to not adopt such a position yourself? Some girl being involved in an act because you just ignored her passivity and went ahead anyway is at best gross and more like physically coercive. Unless you’re totally socially inept the non-verbal cues are pretty clear so rather than pretending girls are giving mixed messages, why not acknowledge you just chose to ignore the non-verbal clues if they weren’t giving you the answer you wanted?
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Except, by her own account, Ansari didn't physically push her head. From the account on Babe.net: “He sat back and pointed to his penis and motioned for me to go down on him. And I did."
So he reclined and motioned to his dick. And she went down on him. There was no physical coercion. From her own account, Ansari was in a reclined or semi-reclined position and she sucked his dick. Why?
More from the article: "I think I just felt really pressured. It was literally the most unexpected thing I thought would happen at that moment because I told him I was uncomfortable.”
And yet, somehow, that dick wound up in her mouth of her own volition.
According to "Grace's" account, there was no shoving. You are assuming facts that are not in evidence, AND this isn't a "he said - she said" and she is saying that he motioned to his dick. Not shoved.
First, I've never had a dick in my mouth, and I anticipate that I never will. If it does happen it will mean things have gone horribly, horribly WRONG. /lulz
Second, she sucked Ansari's dick of her own volition by positioning herself.
This isn't about me.
She gave him the answer he wanted. Her problem is that she felt badly about it because whatever she thought was going to happen on the date, it turned out that Ansari wanted a quick lay. So after having a bad/awkward sexual encounter with Ansari, she went home and wrote a petty little revenge piece, casting herself as the "VICTIM!!!" and attempted to damage Ansari's career. Why? Because she felt like a slut, after figuring out that, rather than possibly becoming the girlfriend of a famous man, she was just a "pump and dump" - to wit: “I remember saying, ‘You guys are all the same, you guys are all the fucking same.’”
Lexietherott 6y ago
Yes, no BJ references - I was projecting!
“He probably moved my hand to his dick five to seven times,” she said. “He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”
But the main thing was that he wouldn’t let her move away from him”
I have no idea what her agenda was but the wider reason women are reacting to it is the coercive nature and unwanted insistence, by her account. We’ve all been there with a guy who keeps grabbing and is sexually aggressive despite what we think is clear behaviour of not being into it. I get that a guy may not read the signs well but my view is that most choose to not read them and just keep trying. It’s totally normal - that’s how guy/girl stuff has worked for a long time but doesn’t mean it’s how it ought to be. Women should be clearer but guys are also accountable and if enough women are saying that having to repeatedly deflect pawing is horrible, why guys seem to want to argue that they should be able to or that it’s ambiguous if someone keeps pushing you off but doesn’t actually shout no and exit the building
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Except he did, when she got up and left, which she could have done At.Any.Time.
So say "no" get up and leave. Simples.
Because women often act the same when when the want to fuck as when they don't - LMR so you don't think they're a slut and ASD so THEY don't think they're a slut.
Of course. Women should be VERY clear. But they're not.
ryno55 6y ago
SWPL, I cringe every time you write swipl.
[deleted] 6y ago
I have thought about posting this for a long time, it is not just American women, it is all western women. If she was raised in a western culture (US, UK, Western Europe, Canada, Australia or any predominantly white culture) then she is NOT SAFE. The song “American Woman” has proven to be very prophetic indeed.
Thotwrecker 6y ago
We also can be pretty sure she's right around 27-29. Bitches on the wall go completely insane when they use the potential of a relationship to bait them in, then just try to pump and dump. Her wrath is that of one who was forced to realize that to a nerdy brown short male, she's too low value to get him to think of her as LTR material. She thought she found Captain save a ho, but it turns out he was "the same as all the other guys." So, since he's doing what all the other guys did, well, it's time to fuck up his life in particular.
The wall breaks some women's psyche. Save your sport fucking for younger women or married women who just need excitement.
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MomChomsky 6y ago
Does " SwIpl girl " stand for, SINGLE White in powered liberal girl ?
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
It's the phonetic of "SWPL" - Single White Professional Liberal, and in this case, female. I use the derogative form "swipl" much to the dismay of /u/ryno55
-firemelon- 6y ago
this is her way of reducing his masculinity. his confidence , independence and assertiveness. she wasn't able to reduce his independence with her body (where he would commit) so she's reducing it in other ways.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Ansari had to misfortune to bring home a particularly poisonous "literary woman" and then have awkward, bad sex with her. She then figured out that she was being discarded and thus, in her eyes, he went from Creative Celebrity to Brown Guy Who I Accidentally Fucked, thus her 3000 word
polemicrevenge porn article, in which her identity is conveniently hidden - and don't think that the choice of "Grace" wasn't carefully thought out - while he he held out to be shamed because they had bad sex. She choose "Grace" as a signal - "Yes, I,Literary Woman!! starfucker, was forced to endure Bad Sex with aCelebrity!brown guy. Worse a SHORT brown guy! Quelle Horreur!!!"The level of detail is comedic - "He offered me white wine instead of my preferred red." Well, yes, because he was trying to be a gracious host and he's not a fucking mind-reader. He probably prefers red, too, but was trying to make you happy. That never occurs to her. Why? Because is there anyone more solipsistic than that "Literary Woman"?
garlicextract 6y ago
what to do if short and brown
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
First, there's noting wrong with brown women...although when brown guys say they can't get "hot girls" that usually means "hot white girls", in which case: Thoughts on Race and Help for Dark Meat Guys Gaming White Girls
garlicextract 6y ago
I never said nor implied there's anything wrong with brown women. I like brown and asian women as much as white women. I'd rather be with an Indian 8 than a White 6, that's for damn sure.
But the "eww a short brown guy" mentality is pervasive amongst all types of women. There's been more than one time that a night with a girl has been going well, until her friends clearly give her some kind of "this guy? the short ethnic one? you can do better than this guy".
It also doesn't help that most of my friends are taller and white. You may say that raises SMV hanging out with these guys - true to an extent - but theres a visceral difference in attraction. The brown girls, the whites, the asians, still idolize white men at the end of the day. Thats fine with me. This is a western nation and has been for generations; I have no beef with that. What I dislike is being treated like the male equivalent of the 'nice but ugly fat girl'. There's been many times that I've realized the only reason I'm talking to this girl is because ultimately she wants to talk to my friend. And if Im having a good time wandering at the bar, and not in the vicinity of my tall white friends - it's difficult to articulate it, but the treatment isn't always good.
Again, I understand that male short is basically equivalent to female fat, but doesnt make it easier to deal with in the moment. actually, I see fat girls with high SMV guys frequently so Im not even sure that comparison is adequate.
Most guys by default get the 'who the fuck are you' treatment by women, and that's something that a man needs to learn to deal with, or he is not a man. I understand that. but it adds an extra layer when it's 'youre automatically gross until proven otherwise', it becomes draining, and it wears on your confidence, at least in the short term.
You may say this sounds like a personal problem, and you are probably right. You may say what some random woman (or women) think shouldn't affect my mentality, and you're 100% right. But that's why I'm here, because even though I know it shouldn't, being treated as undesirable (especially with the immediate feedback of attractive friends right next to you) wears on you after a while.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Wow. Y'know I thought that that first reply was just you being flip. I only included the bit about "brown women" to give a complete answer, since the linked post was about white girls.
That said, 99% of brown guys who show up here complaining that they can't get "hot girls" do really mean "hot white girls", and so that was the context in which I replied. Sounds like you have your head screwed on right. Just keep doing what you're doing; it's a numbers game, even for tall white guys.
-firemelon- 6y ago
Honestly where I think he messed up the most was having a meal with her in the first place. That's what made her think she could get him to reduce his independence and commit to her. An impossibly high status man. It should have been hey do you want to come over to my house and it would have gone fine. Or just a drink at the most.
Also the bit about him paying for the expensive meal and wine too fast for her liking is hilarious. How entitled can you get. If a guy wrote that.
It irks her that this high status man was able to basically use her as a sex toy and no commitment occurred. Now in her own eyes she is basically a whore. She even gave him her number when she was on a date with another man. It's these emotions
hulk_hogans_alt 6y ago
And yet he's busy apologizing. Not only is what happened not his fault but he's been so programmed to think it is that he's not even bothering to defend himself.
U_Lika_Da_Tomato 6y ago
Defending his career. Hollywood is an institution of indoctrination. Thinks what you will, but talk like others; to poorly paraphrase.
hulk_hogans_alt 6y ago
Yeah, but regardless, he's not defending anything. He even reiterated that he thinks the metoo movement is good and necessary. He could have at least defending himself in some way.
dr_warlock 6y ago
Fuck that. He's already rich and can find other profitable ventures.
Luckyluke23 6y ago
I'd sue her cos she is a dumb bitch let alone anything else.
[deleted] 6y ago
I’d sue her too. The #metoo movement is empowering feelings over law and order.
This is a female that is bitter about her past hypergamy choices. Post wall, post prime, or full of regret, females act this way as they see their options and value diminishing by the year. It’s why you see so many older women leading the charge.
U_Lika_Da_Tomato 6y ago
I thought I read that she was 23.
orangepoppy_ 6y ago
Red pillers think anything past 16 is post wall.
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number1journeyfan 6y ago
If he sued her it wouldn't go anywhere. If it did, however, it'd be a major statement and major decision in the scale of defamation cases
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_figure
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empatheticapathetic 6y ago
All women want is drama. That's it.
It's either at your expense or to your benefit. Your behaviour will choose which one.
-ATLAS-_ 6y ago
It's the lowest tool to bring significance to a person who feels insignificant. It's the same as thinking that being angry makes you powerful because suddenly people respond to you. It's the lowest form of significance and is always at the cost of others.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
Women only care about results. Results define their reality for them. Everything in between is simply a tool used to achieve their desired results.
vengefully_yours 6y ago
Results? Ha. You're projecting male thinking onto them. They care about how it makes them feel. Everything they do is for her to feel something. They don't give two shits in a bucket about results other than the resultant feelings they get from whatever it is.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
It was worded badly. But i mean that, women will shit test the fuck out of you to no end, just to see how you handle it. It doesn't matter if she kills your entire family in the process (i'm sure you're aware), all that matters to her perception is your reaction and how you handle it.
-ATLAS-_ 6y ago
What's so messed up is that we are in a point in time where we are acknowledging the emotions about something as the actual reality of it. What a bizarre time in history.
Lexietherott 6y ago
Coercion is about intentionally trying to make someone do something they don’t want to do.. as an act it is therefore defined by the intention of one party and the experience of being pressurised by the other. Both of these are about the emotional reality of people so it’s hard to know how you could assess if someone was unduly coercive without reference to the subjective interpretation of the situation by either party. There are no actual facts -whilst you could refer to the events as facts, her participating in certain parts of the night is as much evidence of successful coercion as it is the absence of coercion. It sounds like you think her subjective experience of coercion happening is irrelevant but that his subjective experience that it didn’t happen is relevant
-ATLAS-_ 6y ago
I'm not arguing about anyone's subjectivity being more relevant, in fact it's the opposite. I'm saying if a fact requires a narrative, it isn't about facts that are able to stand on their own (hence their need for a narrative).
In fact, even arguing coercion is still supporting my original point. You're acknowledging an emotion about the event as reality. It still requires a narrative.
KnowBrainer 6y ago
Logic is housed somewhere in the Y chromosome, apparently.
[deleted] 6y ago
That’s what happens when you give these 3rd wavers too much leeway.. nonsense.
trpanak1n 6y ago
may we find a protagonist mighty enough to defeat this iniquity...
Velebit 6y ago
today the only religion is empathy
ioncehadsexinapool 6y ago
Smfh. How can we put a stop to this? One chad at a time?
PowerVitamin 6y ago
This is the same age as the dark age. We are in the Kali Yuga.
It is only our technology that has surpassed in time, not our human spirit.
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RedPill115 6y ago
That's not really the problem. We have sex because of some sort of emotions, without emotions we'd only have sex a couple of times for procreation.
The problem is that we're at a point in time where the link between the cause of emotions and the emotions themselves doesn't matter.
It's like:
sweetleef 6y ago
Women have always utilized that bizarre rationale.
The difference now is that the media and the legal system are catering to it.
Bascome 6y ago
Have you noticed that the word "feel" has almost totally replaced the word "think" in speech.
Even sports announcers say it now, "I feel he could have caught that ball".
We used to have the courage to own our thoughts, now we just hide them behind feeling because everyones feelings are valid. Ugh.
-ATLAS-_ 6y ago
I have noticed that! I think we see the same things happening. Another one I noticed is conscience/shaming when it comes to handling the emotion of guilt. Go read/listen/watch some old media, and notice how much they use the word "conscience" and notice now that we've don't use it nearly as much (if at all to be honest, try and find it in normal usage and it's much much harder than ever). It's been completely replaced with the word "shaming". If I feel guilty, it's not my own conscience anymore, it's other people's fault for ____-shaming me (insert whatever you feel guilty about). I'm sure there is a much larger point that's obvious, but I haven't put as much thought into it besides the whole ego-protection aspect, but even that doesn't explain the complete 180 in usage.
PIGamer86 6y ago
Have I got a story for you.
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KnowBrainer 6y ago
This man needed an assault rifle 30 years ago.
I'll be dammed if I follow an officer into a cell for a crime I didn't commit.
_orion 6y ago
story reminds me of a girl i was kinda dating at the time. girl got sloshed on liquor for the first time... i had no idea she had never been drunk before. go to a concert, she gets us kicked out at the door. take her home since she couldn't find the keys to her dorm. spend the next couple of hours keeping her from drowning in her own puke in the toilet. strip her down and put her in the shower, wash her off, put her in some of my clothes and sleep beside her so she don't roll over and drown in her puke, she was that bad. now keep in mind we had been together for a couple months at that point. she wakes up the next morning complaining she can't see outta one eye. two hospitals later she finds out she has a detatched retina from puking too hard/old cheerleading injury. couple years later hooking up with one of her old friends and find out i supposedly beat the shit outta her and thats why she wound up in the hospital having her eye re attached and then we broke up. talk about a nice surprise.
MomChomsky 6y ago
It took you guys a couple months before you had your first drinks together?
_orion 6y ago
we drank beer together and smoked weed and stuff. but that was the first time she drank liquor around me.
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Eckz89 6y ago
what the actual fuck.
So what happened to the Denver woman? i mean i know its not technicaly not perjury but it did mislead the shit out of the Jurors.
ohyeawellyousuck 6y ago
I think it goes even further than that, where pretty soon emotional manipulation will qualify as sexual assault. I made a post in the stand up comedy reddit about this very issue where I said if we continue feeding women by qualifying this type of behavior as assault, we are setting ourselves up for a future where if a man doesn't do as a women asks, she will say he is abusing her and he will go to jail. It's absurd to think, but it's starting to feel very real.
TheVeryWorstLuck 6y ago
That's how I feel NOW... I'm single and literally afraid to flirt with a woman, because if it's unwanted flirting I'm waking up in jail with a sexual assault trial pending.
NoMansLight 6y ago
For a future? I'd bet you dollars and doughnuts that is exactly what happens all the time.
acetylcysteine 6y ago
the girl hacksquatting in front of me wearing the smallest shorts ever technically sexually assaulted everyone in the room. if a guy was working out half naked in the same gym he'd be reprimanded.
kagetsuki23 6y ago
All this is a shit test from the system to see how much they can oppress men without men doing anything about it. Men need to fight back against the system or accept their fate.
dumgum 6y ago
But only when the "assaulter" is a guy, of course. The standard, run-of-the-mill emotional manipulation that women do to guys will continue as usual.
_orion 6y ago
the real masters of brain assault
Jeff4116 6y ago
Assailant is the word you're looking for; one who commits assault is an assailant.
dumgum 6y ago
Thanks! I'll try to remember that.
fatboychi 6y ago
Just look at all the feminist future greentexts from 4chan, they sound ridiculous and bizarre but their basis in reality isn't that far off.
Xtermix 6y ago
In specific parts of the world only
_orion 6y ago
i still have hope in humanity, that the world will grow tierd of this shit and stonewall a ho
zephyrprime 6y ago
Explain. This isn't 4chan.
red_matrix 6y ago
What is a feminist future greentext?
crashhacker 6y ago
It's when users posted a fictional reality/event on 4chan in which they amplify all that is happening right now. Such as
etc etc. Google them such as "whg greentexts" you should find them.
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Zanford 6y ago
If you're rich and famous enough to be a blackmail/lawsuit target, you should seriously consider this. Plus have her consent to recording everything (people make amateur porn just or kicks anyway...make it sexy, watch 'em together later for kicks...always with offsite backup copies of course)
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Useless since she can say that in the middle of the act she wanted to stop but you kept going.
wracky272 6y ago
Eh, they throw out pre-nups all the time, and it will only take one ultra lib judge to create precedent for throwing out sexual contracts, too.
BlackCraneStoic 6y ago
That judge would deserve a bullet between the eyes. This is why people respect law enforcement and the judicial system less and less.
Bing_Bang_Bam 6y ago
Is they're somewhere I can download a PDF of NDA for sexual relations?
snorkelbagel 6y ago
I got you homie.
http://185.29.203.11/joost/Seks/bronnen/Sexual_Consent_Form.pdf
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pbgswd 6y ago
there are good discussions around consent in the kink community. There is a very good amount of information on it there around how to negotiate what is acceptable.
Bing_Bang_Bam 6y ago
That sounds like a lot of work. I'd rather they just check the box for anal, pearl necklace, hair pulling etc.
pbgswd 6y ago
there is a checklist. For all the kinks people have, the one I have is 11 pages. And anal, pearl necklace and hair pulling are all in there.
-xander 6y ago
You've touched upon a vibrant and ongoing debate in the social sciences around feminist epistemology. This includes the belief that values and emotions are the actual reality of an event (feminist empiricism).
Example: Say a girl gets creeped-out by you whilst you are both riding the bus. You didn't mean to creep her out (heck, you didn't even notice her), and others didn't think you did and, by conventional measures, you couldn't be said to have done anything. Under these circumstances, the creeped-out girl can still state with conviction that you creeped her out. If the feeling was real to her, that satisfies the criteria of reality.
This is certainly part of the reason why the #metoo campaign has taken off, particularly in university settings (even if people aren't conscious of it).
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Zanford 6y ago
Ah, finally, an academic term for 'feels over reals'. I knew there had to be one! Poe's Law in action yet again
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Holy shit, Stanford is hosting this. Guess I no longer regret not getting admitted there.
BlueOceanEvent 6y ago
What utter fucking bullshit
youonlylive2wice 6y ago
I don't like this example because you did creep her out... Being creeped out is a purely internal phenomenon.
A better example would be if you bumped into her on the crowded bus and she says you assaulted her...
In the first she felt creeped out which is fine and legit and irrelevant... In the second she claims she was assaulted. She wasn't but that's how she FELT. She can FEEL however the fuck she wants. Feelings are irrelevant outside of your head bubble.
I felt I did well on the test... Whether I did or did not is immaterial in regards to my feelings... But my feelings don't get me a good grade either.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
Because he's not behaving in a creepy way she has no reason to feel creeped out, you brainless clown. Your example is exactly the same anyway, dumb ass. If you bumped into a girl and she feels like you assaulted her, the feeling itself is a real thing but not actually reflecting the reality of the situation. I swear to God people need to stop giving monkeys keyboards.
youonlylive2wice 6y ago
Lol your response is that of a petulant child who missed their nap. Go drink a juice and lay down with your banking.
The feeling is real in both and irrelevant. Assault is a real thing, not a feeling and thus didn't occur regardless of feelings. But good try with the righteous indignation, it was cute.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
dude whatever sorry if i hurt your feefees but you immediately shit on the other guy's example and then just gave an identical one
youonlylive2wice 6y ago
No feefees hurt little boy, unless yours were, in which case I don't care. There was a key difference in the two examples. One was about what happened in the woman's head and what she felt and thus cannot be denied regardless of how stupid it is. The other is about a crime which has a physical component and thus feelings don't matter, but instead actual events. Now finish school and work on your reading comprehension.
hahayeahthatscool 6y ago
Being a "creep" can easily have legal ramifications because it can imply things like harassment, but I'm glad your squabbling with semantics gives you a feeling of superiority
youonlylive2wice 6y ago
It can imply things like harassment? I'm glad you believe feels and reals are the same thing, maybe you're in the wrong place, but at the very least you have a lot to learn here. No feelings of superiority, the petulant child has made it clear I am superior and that's OK
_orion 6y ago
oh dude, i so wish if i felt good about a test my feelings were considered in my grade
BonelessSkinless 6y ago
But see feelings are going from irrelevant outside of head bubbles to actual fact in court...
youonlylive2wice 6y ago
Yeah they're being used to compare to the real world things.
mrust 6y ago
That was the entire point of his post. Emotional reality for feminists trumps actual reality. It was the perfect example and you missed it because of how illogical it is.
Lexietherott 6y ago
What is the actual reality in this situation.? If you disregard her emotional reality of feeling coerced and his emotional reality of thinking she was into it, what are the facts you would assess the situation on?
mrust 6y ago
Objective reality. Two people are sitting on a bus. Nothing happens. One of them is crazy.
You can only make judgements based on actions that are externally observable. Did the man approach her, did he make contact? Did she ask him to leave? Did he trap her and prevent her from leaving? This constitutes evidence.
Maybe you were talking about the second (assault) example. In that case the criminal standard is the reasonable person standard. Did the accused exercise average care, skill, and judgement?
Ok he bumped into her... but without any additional evidence no (reasonable) jury would convict. The prosecutor would have to present evidence of intent in order to make his case.
youonlylive2wice 6y ago
No because his example has no real world counter to equate.
PrancingPeach 6y ago
Don't forget that he went down on her too.
krakenx 6y ago
Aziz literally wrote the book about Modern Romance. If even he can't avoid getting pulled into a trap like this, what hope do the rest of us have?
RedPill115 6y ago
You got it backwards, he's pulled into a trap like this because he embraced feminist ideology and talked about romance.
These feminists have a huge self-hate complex. When you start joining in with them they have a chance to project that hate onto you.
Docbear64 6y ago
That's why you don't romance them , you fuck them and chuck them . I've seen a directly inversely proportional relationship with romance and women being into me and I grew up a hopeless romantic .
Don't work for her, make her work for you . If you're worth the effort she'll respect and appreciate you more for it.
RedPillWintergreen 6y ago
Lol I think that book will be the new joke gift for 2018
kendallb183 6y ago
If you get something signed showing you agree to have sex, it doesn't stop you from changing your mind mid way through, or at any moment after and deciding you don't want to and still could be raped. There is no way to stop people from changing their mind... and thus changing their consent... other than a post sex declaration of consent... I mean I think it's fucking ridiculous, but just being logical.
CasaDeFranco 6y ago
Sue for libel?
If he were wise, he would make an arrangement out of court rather than an extended public court proceeding where x other women emerge with similar stories. And there will be I bet, given his inability to escalate appropriately or handle LMR; and secondly his attempt to fuck a groupie.
His immediate focus should be to try to bury this shit.
Metoo movement wants martyrs.
The higher in status you are the more you should try to mitigate the risk of being played, i.e don't try to fuck groupies or famewhores.
In my industry, I had news circulate in WSJ, Guardian etc about a deal my company was closing, out of the woodwork girls (and men too) would contact me on social media and try to reopen our relationship.
Aziz should know better than not take it anywhere beyond pleasantries, let alone sticking his fingers in her mouth in an attempt to power through LMR.
Neat_On_The_Rocks 6y ago
Some famous people legit do get nda signed. There are professional athletes who have big “house parties” in their homes where all the guests have to sign nda to enter. The atheletes that do this petty much exclusively get new partners at these parties. It’s most common in the nba, it’s fascinating to dive into that world.
It’s crazy but they gotta protect he selves.
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I spoke with one NHL player and he told me that all of them are really concerned about sleeping with random girls because of the high risk of being falsely accused of rape.
Neat_On_The_Rocks 6y ago
Yep. In professional sports this is a widespread and very real concern. Bet your ass damn near every highly paid athlete has had a talk about this win his peers and even the team he plays for.
zephyrprime 6y ago
Interesting how extreme the relations have gotten between the sexes. Extremely bad that is.
parappathrptr 6y ago
I mean, it's not like Dave Chappelle didn't suggest that NDA ....
Eckz89 6y ago
i believe its called the "Love contract"
https://vimeo.com/183089808
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teslacars 6y ago
Maybe if she would have had a sex with him and wasn’t satisfied, then that would be rape.
HoldDatCrew 6y ago
Everyone needs to read this comment. Read it. Women will come together to bring down any man brutally. JFC “I was debating if this was an awkward sexual experience or sexual assault. And that’s why I confronted so many of my friends and listened to what they had to say, because I wanted validation that it was actually bad.”
Good lord that is frightening that women have THAT much power. That's some truly dystopian shit
Spacecop94 6y ago
Chappelle warned us about this years ago
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OneRedSock 6y ago
Women outsource their concept of self. Just like they outsource the burden of responsibility to men -- mansplaining, consent under the influence, etc. -- they outsource their feelings to the closest friends. You've seen it before if you've ever been around a few women: one is happy about a certain situation, then two others gang up on her and tell her how she should actually feel the complete opposite, and suddenly she starts to waiver and before you know it she's just as angry about it as they are.
This is because women take the shape of their container, but when it's just women talking they're formless and without a container. The only thing that creates the container is the one (or ones) with the stronger emotive skills at that moment.
In the case of a one-on-one female interaction, this would be whoever currently sounds most authoritative. This would be the one who is not suffering from some recent heart break or current bout of minor depression. The weaker one therefore hears any bullshit this person says and takes it as gospel, simply because she is in a more emotionally weak position at the current moment.
In the case of multiple women, even if they were all roughly at a similar emotional equilibrium, if the majority of the group simply says a minority is incorrect, then the minority will begin to take the belief systems of the majority to properly correct itself and to fit in better with the group. Even if this is not an immediate response, you will see them begin to doubt their own thoughts in the moment; sooner or later they will correct these thoughts to fit the majority.
This is why unicorns don't exist. Even if you think you found a woman raised by old-school parents who believe in a solid husband-wife relationship that seems to have a perfect family up-bringing; you will still be disappointed. Simply because your woman is still outsourcing how she should feel about you to not only her parents -- especially mom -- but also all her new-agey feminist friends; and they all dislike you if you show even a modicum of authority.
Thotwrecker 6y ago
This is a very accurate post - especially the bit about unicorns. She's lucky enough to have had good influences, and as a result, she developed some degree of character and hamster management. Put her in with some new friends who all party and cheat on their men, very soon she'll be guarding her phone too.
This is why women decide they were raped years later. They tell some friends their super biased mis-remembered story, as their own hamster has molded it. Those friends act appalled and say she was raped and they are so mad, they are so furious on her behalf, so angry at him, etc. She crowdsources her beliefs, character, and sense of reality (including her sense of history and what actually happened), and voila, she realizes she was raped. And because she's a woman, it's not a logical belief, it's that she actually fundamentally believes she was raped. The collective feels around her become her reality; they become more real that her own memory, and she can do her act in public with real conviction because to her, it is real.
U_Lika_Da_Tomato 6y ago
Stealing that "women take the shape of their container" line. Sums it up beautifully.
cashmoney_x 6y ago
Don't worry; he stole it also.
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LawsCoolStudent 6y ago
It's getting so pants-on-head retarded. She told him to chill, they moved to the couch where she thought he'd "rub or back or play with her hair" and instead he asked her to suck his dick... AND SHE DID. How can you be this weak? You don't want to have sex and he keeps indicating he does, SO LEAVE.
But she didn't leave, and reading between the lines, you can tell it's because she wanted Aziz to be a romantic who'd date her and "treat her right." She's just mad because she wanted a relationship and he wanted a one-night stand, so she decided to try and ruin his fucking life.
Zachar1a 6y ago
Isn’t this the basis of almost all false rape allegations? Isn’t this why the police don’t even take rape allegations seriously?
_orion 6y ago
when she could of either a. handled it better. or b. given it up, be cool and maybe he'd stick around win some lose some type deal.
but ya know whats not gonna lead to a relationship with a star, whining, bitchin, leaving and publishing a story about it as female revenge porn.
JackGetsIt 6y ago
This is exactly what happen. Men have got to start fighting against this.
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Docbear64 6y ago
This sense of entitlement is becoming insane when it was already outrageous . This bitch thinks she should be a celebrity WAG just because she sucked a famous comedians dick . She probably had nothing going for her besides a nice pair of tits and yet she deserves all the wining , dining, and romantic investment from this man who is actually holds some entertainment value and had to work to garner fame and interest.
This generation of bitches is a fucking trash heap.
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The good ol inverse covert contract
Thotwrecker 6y ago
Her revenge was only something that she wanted when she saw him at the golden globes wearing the timesup pin or whatever. Having her face rubbed in the fact that he's a celebrity doing famous ppl shit ... that is what made her re-pissed off, and made her reconsider the encounter and decide she thought it was sexual assault.
Happens all the time, guy makes some money and fame in his late 20s and some chick said in college he was "sexually aggressive and raped her while she was intoxicated" - aka they both got drunk at a party and fucked. Like that TJ Miller thing.
They'll wait years until they are triggered by something else, they are biding their time, waiting to cash in until their guaranteed the maximum amount of sympathy and spotlight from society.
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leviathan51 6y ago
And escort cannot accuse you?
kragshot 6y ago
The good ones are paid enough money not to need to accuse anyone unless it's something really fucked up. And then there's the ones that get paid even more for that kind of stuff.
yungassed 6y ago
Thats actually one of the only benefits of having having it illegal in the states is that it prevents any accusations from the whore because in doing so, she would have to incriminate herself.
_orion 6y ago
not if her pimp gives her the backhand and tells her if she opens her mouth shes gonna lose him some of that money
MarinTaranu 6y ago
Yeah, but here's the trick, anyone who paid her a lot for her services can also pay to have her disappear. Or ruin her reputation in the escort community. Rich guys don't play games.
NabunagasRevenge 6y ago
You're not paying for sex, you're paying for them to leave(you alone)
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greatslyfer 6y ago
It would be weird cause they would turn away future clients cause they run the risk of being accused.
toppagelame 6y ago
Unless your rich and famous, then they can still extort. If your rich and famous, you kinda have to throw the one night stands and shit out the window. Its small sacrifice for your lifestyle.
NoMansLight 6y ago
Or we can just stop demonizing male sexuality. Oh who am I kidding.
chemicalprogrammer 6y ago
Isn't the whole point of being rich and famous to get tons of strange? If thats off the table then why bother
wanderer779 6y ago
Like with most things I think there's a happy medium. You want to be rich enough to do what you want but not so rich that you're getting hounded for charitable donations and political contributions. And you want some reputation so you have connections but not sp much notoriety that people you don't know start bothering you.
choomguy 6y ago
I dont think it matters if its one night, or you’re married to her, the standard today is if she decides 30 years later that she didnt want sex, then its rape.
Lexietherott 6y ago
If she didn’t want sex and the guy went ahead anyway that is exactly what rape is, and was 30 years ago. If you’re referring to someone who consented at the time but later said otherwise, clearly that’s not rape but the timeframe is irrelevant - whether or not there was consent at the time is what defines if it was rape, not whether it was reported at the time . If someone beat you up 30 years ago and you didn’t tell anyone, does that mean it never happened? Obviously immediate reporting would be easier to prosecute but particularly with someone close to you it’s more complex than just deciding to involve the police in a domestic matter, but keeping it to yourself doesn’t erase the act surely?
choomguy 6y ago
I spend a lot of time in the woods. There are many fallen trees, new ones evertime I go. Somebody turned that into a philosophical question too, but I know the trees fell whether it was yesterday or thirty years ago. Now, buckle in, women aren’t trees. If any crime happened 30 years ago, and the victim never came forward to prove it in a court of law, you dont get to just say the other persons guilty and ruin their life, even though that’s what is happening.
Yeah, I dont see what’s complex about reporting a rape. The question is usually was it a rape. I bet 99% of women that are raped by a complete stranger report it. So in the cases where women don’t report it, it’s because they expect that they wont get a fair shake, how the fuck is waiting 30 years going to help you?
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JamesLucrative 6y ago
Excuse you sweaty... But you cannot just say no to that amazing man's dick. His balls are literally made out of Red Lobster cheese biscuits.
NightFire45 6y ago
This is what happens though when you act like an "ally". She probably figured he's a dickless loser but got woke. For Aziz this puts him in a tough spot.
Original_Dankster 6y ago
That's a big part of it. Jian Ghomeshi was the same, Louis CK as well - each was a feminist "ally" whose investment in that ideology ultimately offered them no protection whatsoever. I suspect it's partly because these dumb broads expected nu-male hand-holding instead of overt sexuality.
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LawsCoolStudent 6y ago
I understand that this is a reaction in which sexual assault is occurring; where a man is forcing himself upon another woman in an environment that seems like she can't leave. But Aziz asked her to perform these actions. That door was always there for her to walk out of (unless you're suggesting he would've stopped her, which I highly doubt).
This is always where the conversation leads, right? "We shouldn't have to ask women to leave, it shouldn't be happening in the first place!" But this is what equality is. Equality isn't just equal treatment, it's equal responsibility. You have a responsibility to say no when something is being done to you that you don't want. Not "non-verbal cues", not mumbling, not "let's chill", you say no, and if they push, you leave. If this is a situation that could render your tonically immobile, where a small horny man is pushy with his sexual advances, how can you be expected to be responsible in other stressful interactions? This is nowhere near the worst thing a person will experience over the course of their adult life.
Blackhawk2479 6y ago
I’m sorry honey, but I thought the sexes were equal now?
Because I tell you what, no unarmed man alive is making me suck a dick I don’t want to.
Pick a side; we’re either equal or we’re not.
FirstNamesMusic 6y ago
The one thing you are ignoring is the woman was not paralysed when she started heavily making out with him, or when she decided to go to his apartment alone. Or when they were fooling around.
If I were to sit in the sun all day it wouldn't be the sun's fault if I were sunburnt.
RedPill115 6y ago
See how they carefully put that little trick in there knowing most people won't read it?
Also, try to remember the outrage when TRP says something like "women are children" or "women are like animals". Well it's bad unless it benefits them.
"Study says having sex may trigger women's transformation into giant ape"
PepperDoesStuff 6y ago
You shouldn't be downvoted for posting this information, this is absolutely how some assault victims respond, but this woman was not being assaulted. In her very detailed description of events, nothing she wrote sounds like paralysis. She was, at worst, being pressured to do something she didn't want to do. She entered his home freely, and left, freely.
ABrownLamp 6y ago
Tonic immobility includes sucking dick?
FireDrillem 6y ago
Yes! "Tonic immobility includes sucking dick!" Make it into a bumper sticker.
ABrownLamp 6y ago
He took me out to dinner, I went back to his place, he ate my pussy, I sucked his dick twice and then left in a cab. #metoo #mumblemeansno
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After reading the Atlantic and this comment, I thought it was another pendulum swinging too far story and gravity pulling it back.
HOWEVER, then I read the original story in the Babe. Come on guys.
I'm on mobile so not gonna pull in quotes but basically, the entire 2nd half of the article. The preventing of her attempts to get away. The ignoring of her signs of discomfort and thinking he was slick. It looped crudely, repetitively, until she finally jolted awake (kind of RP'ed that moment) and realized that his words were BS and he was basically treating her like an animal, poking around for what he wanted rather than reading and listening to cues. The word repetitive has rarely been used so uncomfortably in an article.
He wanted an escort experience and thought he could cheap out with a groupie by just paying for dinner. Should've just paid up for what he really wanted. Yes, she was a hypergamous branch swinger but no she wasn't ready to put out and his repetitive unsuave attempts are not what you'd want to happen to someone you know.
zyzzguido55 6y ago
Why do we have all these white knights/feminists invading TRP. Stop being a pussy. He did nothing wrong, and don't act like you're one of us
MarinTaranu 6y ago
Any rational person would think that once the D went in the mouth, it's pretty much a done deal and it is going in the P as well.
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It does seem rational but it's not uncommon for women to draw the line between different positions/acts, especially at the pace he was trying to push.
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Your post is devoid of content. You're not only not one of us, you're not a fucking adult.
zyzzguido55 6y ago
You put a disclaimer saying "normally, I would side with the guy blah blah" then go on and roast him even though he did nothing wrong. So yes, you're wrong.
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You are illiterate and don't know how to read, let alone how to use direct quotes. Sure, I'm wrong in the eyes of an illiterate, I should care about that.
MuhTriggersGuise 6y ago
I've heard of bands that require NDAs and sexual consent forms before allowing groupies backstage.
atticusfinch1973 6y ago
They do. And most high end superstars simply hire escorts anyway. You’re paying them to keep their mouths shut and go away.
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Doesn't always work. See "Daniels, Stormy" and "Trump, Donald J".
Eckz89 6y ago
Dave Chapelle called it over 14 years ago...
https://vimeo.com/183089808
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Isnt there a skit about this in Chapelle show
kellykebab 6y ago
He should seriously take a moral stand and take her to court. Punishing actual attackers is of paramount importance, but society needs to understand where the boundary lies.
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now you get why celebrities have Heidi Fleiss type escort services. I would only order girls from guaranteed safe services, i'm sure they have pimps that have girls that sign waivers and go thru security screening before seeing the client, etc. I can't imaging being famous and just letting some random girl suck my dick. it could lead to so much trouble, as we're seeing.
but you bring up the great point about women changing their mind. as i've always said if a girl is resisting a little bit, she might just be shy, not want to seem a slut. now if she keeps resisting and clearly says NO, i'm not interested, of course you stop. any clear indicator she really isn't into it from the start, yeah you don't do anything. but this concept of oh i liked having that dick in my mouth and now i regret it because i feel he used me because he never called me back. go fuck yourself. i bet that's what hapepened. she was a slut, he pounded her face, and then when she realized he used her like a cheap groupie, she got all offended and cried assault. that is not assault. assault occurs when something forcibly happens during the incident.
it's why this system is fucked. if a woman can fuck you and enjoy then call rape because.....feelings, what choice do men have but to never participate in love or sexual relationships with women ever again.
and i'll agree, sometimes sex is weird, awkward and sometime it happens with someone that once it begins, you realize you don't want to have sex with that person. that is all personal regret, not assault. I have an anus and it'd be hard as fuck for someone to stick a dick into it without me wanting that, yet women act like a dick going into their pussy just happens, omg, what happeend, i had no idea, i feel assaulted.
i get that in sex men are the aggressors and women are passive starfish, doesn't mean because we're the ones pounding them we are someone always the aggressors. that is the biggest fallacy of the sexes which can be seen in domestic abuse which is often women. men are seen as brutal asshole abusers yet women are the ones beating everyone.
swimgewd 6y ago
There are also many feminists, like the author of this linked article, who feel what this woman is describing removes agency from women and victimizes them. There are also those feminists.
kick6 6y ago
They are not currently driving the dumpster fire that is feminism, though.
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enrico_the_frog 6y ago
This is what we have the double standard and "blaming women when things go wrong" for.
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indeydius 6y ago
Someone will do it. If we're lucky it won't be Aziz or Tom Hanks.
number1journeyfan 6y ago
Unfortunately, "public figures" can't sue for libel except under certain specific circumstances and they have a lot more to prove. It makes these kinds of accusations very easy
GrandYam_HomeRun 6y ago
At this point are you sure we shouldn't be going MGTOW? It seems there's no limit to the destruction women can cause in 2018.
cashmoney_x 6y ago
I did, 5 years ago. My life has never been better. Just watching this all from a distance.
Heisenbread77 6y ago
I am legitimately scared of them in this regard. I guess one thing this has helped me with is I plan to be much more picky when I exit monk mode this time around.
wolframheart90 6y ago
Mgtow will take over I think in a few years
GrandYam_HomeRun 6y ago
All of the marvelous advice on this sub is null and void once retroactive regret rape becomes widely accepted
DeltVeins 6y ago
keep in mind this isn't really the norm. If you're a celebrity yeh sure you should probably stick with escorts but for the everyday guy you're probably fine just plating.
IF HOWEVER this sorta thing gets more and more prevalent for the everyday guy, my personal strategy is to play their game and when it's time to move on you become everything women despise, blue pill it up. Eventually they'll drop you and you'll be free to move on. There's nothing for women to gain from outting a loser
GrandYam_HomeRun 6y ago
Yes, that is legitimately good advice most of the time - become a needy, whiny, pushover and she'll handle the exit for you. What I fear most, though, is executing flawless game, getting the fuck close, and everyone "seems" happy. You even send confirmation texts afterward. Then you get hammered with a retroactive regret rape charge because her friends at brunch the next day are bored. Sure, you may win your court case with the texts but you'll lose everything else.
Denihilist 6y ago
Stupid girl.
Yes, she is a GIRL, because she did not act like a grown intelligent "strong" woman that women always say they are.
FFS, she pursued HIM, from her own account, she acted like every other star-fucker we've ever heard of. No one can blame him for thinking that's want she wanted.
She went up to his place, let him go down on her, went down on him, and acts surprised when he starts trying to initiate sex?
Where was the "strong intelligent woman" feminists always talk about.
She said she felt uncomfortable, yet stayed. She said she wanted to slow down, and STAYED.
Where was the adult woman here who is responsible, and says, "NO."
Mumbling, coming back to the man for more, continuing the sexual activity was HER choice.
If she was uncomfortable, she should have left. What an immature idiot.
bcp854 6y ago
I don’t think we are weak I think we are different from men and there isn’t anything wrong with that. As soon as women realize we are not the same as men the better off we will be.
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APSTNDPhy 6y ago
It's funny how the male female brain is politically corrected to being equal despite 0 evidence, and everything pointing to the exact opposite. Look at our bodies, look at all the other creatures on earth. Male and females are different.
justincacy 6y ago
"I'm going to let you eat me out but if you ask for sex then you're way out of line"! SMH
ingenjor 6y ago
Reminds me of the only American girl I met. I didn't realize it at the time, because we still had sex, but afterwards she told me in messages that she usually just had the guys off Tinder eat her out with no reciprocation. That kinda boggled my mind.
rockmasterflex 6y ago
Step 2 on the escalation ladder should never be to shove your fingers in the chick's mouth.
I think MANY teenagers have better game than this guy.
GroundhogLiberator 6y ago
I've always liked Aziz, but his standup took a turn for the worse (the feminist) when I saw him in 2015. Hopefully Aziz + Louie can at least make for a cautionary tale that prostrating yourself before women will not save you from a career-ending smear campaign.
wracky272 6y ago
In fact, it makes you an even bigger target, because feminism is misandry and they're out to prove all men are evil-- even the ones you think you can trust. That's a more prize catch than a man that women already hate.
insickness 6y ago
Part of where he went wrong was sending that apology text. It's like pouring gasoline on a fire.
RedPill115 6y ago
There is a direct cause and effect. Be a man, push the feminist narrative, get eaten alive by feminists the moment they're hungry.
Look at:
All of these guys have made a big show of pushing feminist narratives.
Aziz Ansari Explains Why We Should All Be Feminists
http://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/news/a15009/aziz-ansari-feminism-interview/
All of them - absolutely destroyed by the same feminists who's views they promoted.
CasaDeFranco 6y ago
Cautionary tale?
Louis straight up masturbated in front of female peers, the key part to note is it was unsolicited.
I wouldn't put Aziz in the same category.
scamper_22 6y ago
the only comedian i seen to do even remote justice to this issue is chapelle in his latest netflix special.
theres something odd about chapelle in appearing genuinely concerned about issues. its like he says, we (men) want to help you, but this is s witchhunt and you cant be so weak: where's your personal responsibility.
not his funniest work, but it's good.
IDisagreeHere 6y ago
Chappelle has reached levels of not- giving-a-fuck every man dreams of. He's gotten his money. He's demonstrated an ability and willingness to give up fame completely. He's smart and calculating.
And now he says literally whatever the fuck he wants. He makes fun of transgenders and they come after him? Dude literally comes out with a new special essentially saying "Not sorry. Here's some more transgender jokes. Get over it. " Hollywood sex assault witch hunt in full fervor? Chappelle calls out women for having buyers remorse. Of course he displays sympathy for these groups and their causes to some extent, but he's made it pretty clear he will not be cry-bullied into making some half assed public apology for something.
And what's crazy is that there are plenty of other celebrities that could do that. If Aziz has been smart, he's been bankrolling the enormous success he's had over the last 5 years. What if he just decided, "you know what? Fuck it all, I don't need it. " Publicly call out his accuser, cancel his own show, and go off the grid? He'd be a legend.
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
Mark Wahlberg giving back the 1.5 million reshoot money and donating it to the TimesUp movement is another example of a man handing his balls over to the feminist movement. I hope others feel betrayed and aggravated by men like him.
redpillschool Admin 6y ago
His show glorifies the nice guy. It's like a how-to manual for weak men to bring a really bad showing to dates.
In the show, at every turn, he defers to women as his default position and then wonders why he doesn't get success.
In a way, it's realistic to assume he will continue failing, so maybe it's a cautionary tale. But I don't think he's that unplugged. I think he thinks his reward is yet to come.
Thotwrecker 6y ago
Aziz isn't an idiot, he knows how to pander to the common denominator - which in this case is millennials who watch a lot of netflix, aka nice guy betas and hipster white chicks. He knows the character cannot be sexually powerful and successful because this audience doesn't want a show about a man like that.
They want something comfortable, and no one - including indian millennials - wants to see the short indian awkward guy actually being cocky and confident and taking leadership. His mannerisms and jumpy beta speak and fidgetyness and voice tone, it's all about creating this beta millennial "everyman".
GroundhogLiberator 6y ago
I've never watched Master of None. On Parks and Rec his character being a failed womanizer was great though.
Hopefully seeing women go from patting nice guys on the head to destroying them in a heartbeat might lead some other public figures to ask themselves "Why bother when they'll never be happy? I'll never be safe, so why should I live my life trying to please them?"
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Don’t tease me like that. Oh god, what if there was a great red pill awakening. LOL that would also save Western civilization too. Hahahah.
GroundhogLiberator 6y ago
People on this sub say "enjoy the decline" as if sleeping around with a bunch of easy women could possibly heal the heartache of watching America devolve further and further into degeneracy.
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Look, I get it ok. I don’t like it either but could somebody tell me what red pilled men should do instead? I’ve yet to see any answer to this (even a bad one).
GroundhogLiberator 6y ago
I have no idea. The hopelessness of it crushes me. Trump's victory was a step in the right direction and being a part of that movement gave me a real sense of purpose, but a year later I think it might have just been a flash in the pan.
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Crushes you? Dude. No.
Sit down and think about your sphere of influence (or control) and your sphere of concern and how they match up (or don’t) and what that means for your happiness.
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Asia huh? Like India or what? Singapore? No, surely you meant Indonesia...
Asia is a big place dude. Name me a place in Asia where it would be smarter for a successful white American businessman to live right now other than any great US city.
GreenArrow085 6y ago
Maybe he’ll stop preaching feminist bs
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I've actually been wondering what he is thinking right now? Did he have red pill moment? Or did he actually convince himself that he did something wrong?
GreenArrow085 6y ago
Lol almost like Stockholm syndrome
RestlessInVegas 6y ago
Well that would require an ounce of common sense. He self identifies as a male feminist so common sense is clearly not his strong suit.
GreenArrow085 6y ago
This could be his red pill moment
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
It should be his red pill moment, yet the clown says that he will continue to support the movement. Keep supporting those who are out to destroy and/or control you is insane.
RestlessInVegas 6y ago
It doesn't appear so, at least not publicly. The idiot doubled down on his support of the metoo witch-hunt/movement.
Casanova-Quinn 6y ago
Although the main issues here is consent and regret, I can't help but think that this situation could have gone differently if Aziz wasn't a beta. Aside from being rich/famous, Aziz is totally beta in appearance and personality. In this situation it's clear that this woman expected romance and courtship from Aziz, only to find out he wanted sex. She realizes she's about to give a beta a quick lay and cuts him off. And even worse blabs about like she's a victim.
Imagine this scenario, but instead of Aziz Ansari it's Jason Momoa. I'd bet good money that this girl would have fucked him all night long and gone home without a complaint.
El_Serpiente_Roja 6y ago
Yea ofcourse but the problem is there are alot of well meaning betas running around that help hold up society. Now women are skinning them alive instead of just not fucking them.
kragshot 6y ago
Except that back in the 60s and before, the social contract allowed men in general access to women in exchange for helping to build and maintain society. The contract has been broken; at first the beta men adapted and began learning how to adopt alpha traits. But men are being discouraged from learning and adopting alpha traits ("we want men to just know it, not to learn it). With no other recourse, we are about to see a revolution consisting of this large number of sexually disenfranchised men... and it is not going to be nice or pretty.
mismm 6y ago
The fate of every feminist male is to have it eventually turned against them. Get fucked Ansari.
blue_27 6y ago
I love how her name is changed for identity protection, but his is fair game. Including the street he lives on, and who else lives in his building.
MarinTaranu 6y ago
She claims to be a victim, and maybe that status should be determined in a court of law. Until then, it's just baseless accusations and nothing more.
InformalCriticism 6y ago
I think Feminists have actually taken a page from history for once, whether accidentally or on purpose we'll never know. And in the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides basically writes "might makes right" in the Melian Dialogue, but in a Democratic Republic, you need not overwhelm anyone with physical strength, only emotional fear and obfuscation.
Reason is under seige. Reason is the realm of men, and women are politically weaker when reason prevails. The only way they can truly dominate society is to dominate the minds of soft-brained young people before reason takes root. They're spoiling fertile ground for critical thought on every front. And still men do nothing. I am slowly starting to believe men deserve to be conquered if it's truly so easy to walk over us like this.
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
I view feminists and the men who support them to be equally at fault for the ongoing witch hunt mentality. Men who support the idea of becoming 2nd class citizens who can be destroyed by an allegation of impropriety and who willingly give up their constitutional rights are nothing more then serfs, traitors and weaklings.
Thotwrecker 6y ago
"Apparently there is a whole country full of young women who don't know how to call a cab, and who have spent a lot of time picking out pretty outfits for dates they hoped would be nights to remember," Flanagan wrote. "They're angry and temporarily powerful and last night they destroyed a man who didn't deserve it."
Imagine that. Girl gets put into the slutzone when she was fishing for a relationship, freaks out, claims rape, and takes advantage of the current media climate to ruin a man's reputation.
But this literally never happens ...
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From Anzari's Wikipedia page, with a reference:
It seems that 80% of the famous guys struck down in the last few months are the type of man that brag about how sympathetic they are to the plight of women. Curious how it's never a Rob Gronkowski or a Brock Lesnar who gets accused of this. I wonder why.
Wade856 6y ago
I noticed that alot of these accused aren't exactly alpha males or "Chads". Seems like the women want to punish the guys that had money and power and used that to get sex from women who weren't attracted to them for anything else but money or as a career stepping stone.
But, the guys the women want, the hot guys that are known players because they just don't give a fuck seem to be immune to this meetoo movement. As you said, it's not Gronkowski, Blizerian, Brad Pitt or anyone on that level. It's guys like Azizi , Weinstein, Masterdon and others on that level. Guys who couldn't have a shot at women who are 8+ without having money & power. They are mad that they had to "lower" themselves to be their sexual plaything and are now punishing them for it.
I've said it before, before getting into any sexual situation with anyone not a gf or wife, take a video on your phone of the girl stating her name, date & time, that she is consenting to this sexual encounter of her own choice & volition. This way, if she tries to say at a later date that she was raped, sexually assaulted or anything like that, you can just pull up that video as proof that she gave consent. Just like you'd wear a condom for your protection, do this for your protection as well. Because we're seeing that men are losing their jobs, social standing, wealth and even having the possibility of going to prison based on nothing but an accusation. No evidence, no proof, no witnesses....just her word. No sex is worth that risk.
Fedor_Gavnyukov 6y ago
or dan bilzerian and he literally would be a gold mine for sexual harassment charges
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CrazyHorseInvincible 6y ago
Read the rules.
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Soulofbuddha 6y ago
women are weak though, but the issue is the double standard, women cannot handle equality yet we keep giving it to them and they keep abusing it
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Yes this is the issue. A decent size percentage of the population, including women, seems to be waking up to the obvious fact that something has gone horribly wrong here. Unfortunately they will never make the connection that the problem IS women's empowerment and enfranchisement, and that this isn't some aberration that we need to fix, but rather the natural way women will behave when we give them power.
Thizzlebot 6y ago
I hate aziz and think he's a virtue signaling bitch but its really not assault.
Konshus 6y ago
Feels like I'll have to record all of my sexual encounters going forward to avoid confusion. Haha
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Well I think we can safely say that world is at least partially waking up when we see that even the Atlantic thinks things have gone too far. Most of the comments agree with us as well. Of course no one makes the ultimate connection that this is the natural and obvious end result of female empowerment and enfranchisement, not just female power gone wrong.
In other news, this woman is nothing but a 5 dollar whore that wanted to fuck a celebrity. She is the third lowest form of life on Earth after criminals and vagrants. In any period of history before now she would be publicly shamed and no one would socialize with or hire her. Her parents would be devastated. Here's to hoping that we can get back there someday.
reggie-hammond 6y ago
Before anyone thinks this article is a breakthrough of some kind, just remember, the only reason you're getting to read it is because the author's first name is CAITLIN.
If it were written by someone named, let's say, Charles it would've never made it to print or it would've been vilified as a misogynist hit piece that defames and discounts women.
My point is simply, treating random stories and rumors of sexual assault and rape without any due process for all involved is potentially horrendous and life-destroying. Yet its okay to do if you're a woman.
Just like writing this article.
kagetsuki23 6y ago
So now, you can't even pump and dump. Guess it's time to go escort.
wracky272 6y ago
And here we are folks: a perfect example of a date not going the way she dreamed of, so we destroy a man's career because of some discomfort.
Yup, sounds like a date from hell. Nothing stinks of entitlement here, no sir!
Wait, I thought you didn't like the wine?
Something like that. It doesn't matter what she said, or that she's decided 4 months later (right after Aziz wins a Golden Globe... interesting. Bitter much?) that yeah, it was definitely something like that.
Maybe the part where you were on your knees sucking his dick made him think he had consent! No, not enough. Apparently him taking oral sex as a green light was unacceptable. The rest of the encounter is admittedly really bad foreplay, and an example of a Beta trying to pull of Alpha moves, but it's not like he's forcing her to stay.
I'll admit, not smooth at this point so, what does Aziz do? Does he rape her? Does he lock the doors? No, he calls her a fucking cab. Remember: worst night of her life, and you know what? I actually believe her because this is entitlement at its peak.
Honestly I don't know how any sound-minded male calls himself an "ally" or "male feminist" at this point. It's clear they don't want men on their side, and it clearly doesn't get you laid (it just gets you in trouble).
KnowBrainer 6y ago
She's obviously just an idiot. I like Aziz exactly as much now as before.
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-firemelon- 6y ago
we also have to remember this is her viewpoint, she is trying to make it seem as bad as possible so the reality was probably even tamer.
Solon64 6y ago
If i ever heard a feminist proclaim "don't you want to be a male ally!?" I'd laugh in her face.
No, I am not your ally. Your feminism has declared idealogical war on my entire gender, so, far from being your ally, I am your enemy.
When the Nazis invaded France, many French (not all of them) sided with them. The women slept with Nazi soldiers, the men willingly joined a puppet government under Vichy France.
I am not a (femi)nazi sympathizer, I am the Resistance, and I will continue to resist until you leave my gender alone, or you kill me.
Male ally. Pssh. Get out of here.
PabloAsscrowbar 6y ago
I respected De Gaulle for his principled opposition to Nazism despite the odds stacked against him at that time when America and Soviet Union were not in the picture yet. Though he is a dick himself.
MarinTaranu 6y ago
It is pretty clear by now that the line in the sand has been crossed, the gauntlet has been thrown, and there can be nothing less than total war on feminism and their supporters.
mrbluesdude 6y ago
Fuck yeah, well said.
Snoopy_Doggy 6y ago
Good post, but to be fair to the french, Hitler would have exterminated them and flattened Paris if they hadn't bent the knee. It's easy to say "resist" when it's not your family or home town being occupied by a genocidal madman.
PabloAsscrowbar 6y ago
I respected De Gaulle for his principled opposition to Nazism despite the odds stacked against him at that time when America and Soviet Union were not in the picture yet. Though he is a dick himself.
RedPill115 6y ago
So far almost every single famous man I know of who publicly declared his support for the feminist narrative has been subsequently attacked and destroyed by feminists.
Louis C.K. did bit after bit pushing the feminist narrative - "the bigger danger to women is men" he claimed in his bits. He has a whole cringeworthy thing on youtube about how he's "a privileged white male" and no words can hurt him etc etc. The result: Feminists ate him alive.
Aziz Ansari Explains Why We Should All Be Feminists
http://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/news/a15009/aziz-ansari-feminism-interview/
There's more if I wanted to take the time to research it further. But it's nearing a 1-to-1 ratio that any man who publicly pushes the feminist narrative will be subsequently attacked and destroyed by those feminists when it suits them.
gardenofbacchus 6y ago
This happens because women are repulsed on a biological level by any male who aligns himself with the feminist ideology. It's that simple. They advocate for "male allies" because they've been literally brainwashed into believing this is what they want, and are subsequently disgusted when men take up the feminist ideology because they fundamentally know in their bones and soul that this entire thing is wrong. They just don't have the necessary mental mechanisms and way of viewing the world in order to understand this. Women are children.
Thotwrecker 6y ago
.... "asked her to perform oral sex"
Aka the definition of consent, asking.
mirage1e 6y ago
Dude! Women/media act like asking for consent is abuse now! Legally speaking you can walk around and ask every woman You see if they’d like to sleep with you, if they say no, go on to the next, would it be effective or wise? No, but you are allowed to ask lol CONSENT ASKING IS WHAT MEN DO WHEN THEY DONT WANT THE GIRL TO FEEL FORCED lol
If we apparently aren’t allowed to flirt, complement how a girl looks, give any looks or non verbal cues, ask for consent or even be in the same room without a third party, how the fuck do these feminazis expect a guy to get laid? Let alone without any backlash.
ITS SO GODDAMN TWISTED LMAO
askmrcia 6y ago
That's the problem with asking too. Nearly every single woman will turn down a guy if he asked for consent. Ofcourse no woman will admit this. But one of the main things we preach here is to just go for it.
But feminist are wanting guys to ask if they can kiss them and more. LOL If that was the case every guy would be a sexless drone.
If you go to other internet forums, beating LMR is considered rape to a lot of people. I dare anyone here to go to the relationship sub and mentioned LMR. You're head would be on a steak with down votes.
That's how bad its gotten.
mirage1e 6y ago
I feel like you pulled those thoughts out of my brain. Exactly what I wanted to say
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
For his own protection along with enthusiastic consent being promoted, the man may have to wait for the woman to initiate but the woman will continue to wait for the man. Stalemate and the women will get miserable.
mirage1e 6y ago
Ya, it’s very rare for women to intimidate unless they are really a whore n just wants the D bad. I think I’ve only had like 2 women initiate out of all the ones I’ve been with lol
cuteman 6y ago
They have to call themselves allies if even 10% of their fans are part of the target demographic for this bullshit.
He is trying to save his career here, not make an ideological stand... Unfortunately for justice.
When your livelihood depends on positive public opinion you cannot necessarily afford to stay firm if you expect to work in the future.
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Rule 38 after all, think as you like, but behave as everyone else.
wracky272 6y ago
That's a fair point. I do think Aziz actually believes this stuff, but I'm sure his agent continually pushes him to play to the feminists. It's huge money.
cuteman 6y ago
I'm sure someone told him as they have told everyone that it's best to apologize, get out in front of it and it'll be better for his career if he does.
Young dude. Cars. Houses. Assets. Paying for his parents.
Doubt he is ready for the gravy train to end when Jerry Seinfeld got another 30 years of fame and has done questionable things.
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reecewagner 6y ago
It must be admittedly intimidating having a 5'5" giggly Indian dude trying to hump your leg, I bet she didn't leave because she was paralyzed with fear
ABrownLamp 6y ago
I'm so scared right now, let me suck his dick repeatedly to get him to stop.
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macrotechee 6y ago
Bro why you gotta bring race into this??
reecewagner 6y ago
Because culturally white women are less intimidated by men of Asian heritage. Which just adds another layer of BS to her story. It wasn't a dig at Indian dudes.
Soulofbuddha 6y ago
yeah thats true, but its all because of racist media image and stereotyping, but youre right.
UnbeatableGeococcyx 6y ago
White women are the least intimidated by white men.
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empatheticapathetic 6y ago
I'm Indian and it's always been a handicap dating wise. It's worth mentioning the same way his height was worth mentioning. This is the redpill, facts over feelings.
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Soulofbuddha 6y ago
yep. Same here, im goodlooking and masculine, im not stereotypical though and most girls dont realize im indian/south asian even though im quite darkskinned. Most think im latino. I get a huge ammount of tinder matches but on many occassions when they have asked my ethnicity and I told them the truth they have stopped responding or their interest very noticeably dropped.
Just being ”indian” is associated with low status and unattractiveness when it comes to men, all due to racist misrepresentative media image in western media and hollywood.
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freebase42 6y ago
Do you really need it spelled out? You asked, I answered...
https://imgur.com/a/GljQU
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Soulofbuddha 6y ago
many things, for example the indian accent westerners are familiar with is usually extremely exaggerated, most indians dont sound like that even though a few isolated villagers might, its like saying all americans speak like those redneck southerners even though its only a minority.
Then you have the limited set of roles offered to indians in western media, like cab driver or doctor, usually played by older and unattractive dudes, and that would be fine if it was balanced with some main roles with younger and attractive dudes as well but we have had basically none of that for the last 20 years, but only now is it getting better with dudes like riz ahmed, manish dayal, avan jogia, arjun gupta etc.
This lack of proper exposure has given people the perception that all indians look a certain stereotypical way and sound a certain way even thought its entirely false.
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UnbeatableGeococcyx 6y ago
I'll go tell the Greeks, Italians, Germans, French etc. they have no culture. I'm sure that will get a good laugh.
YOU don't have a fucking culture. That is why you move to western countries and leech off of them like parasites. Your countries are shit, your food is shit, you are shit.
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UnbeatableGeococcyx 6y ago
Spain is a European country. Or were you talking about the half Spanish half native Mutts in "Latin" (lol) America who embraced the language and culture of their conquerors?
Oh you use more spices in your food, good for you. That makes your culture so superior, ROFLMAO. Nevermind the rampant poverty, crime, violence, terrorism, wealth inequality, pollution, infant mortality rates, rape etc. No the fact that your food has more flavor makes up for all that.
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redpillschool Admin 6y ago
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wracky272 6y ago
A man of sufficient fame doesn't need these ploys to get laid-- I'm sure Aziz would have no trouble getting laid by virtue of his celebrity status alone. I think the situation is much more sinister-- that men actually believe they are being good people by proclaiming this shit. They have been convinced that their behavior is morally righteous-- They've "paid their dues" and now they get the sex. This is how out-of-touch modern males are.
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What does this mean objectively? He doesnt have the internal game and is trying to "fake it til he makes it"?
wracky272 6y ago
Let's be frank: Aziz doesn't have conventional attractiveness. He has the cute/funny card, and that's about it. He's riding on his status alone. He's trying to be physically dominant when he's anything but, and it just comes across as creepy. Had he been flirtatious, back-and-forth, take it slow and be romantic-- he would've gotten laid without a hitch.
When a conventionally attractive Alpha man just takes what he wants, it's sexy and passionate. When a conventionally unattractive Beta does the same thing, it's desperate and yucky.
SoloKip 6y ago
I think Aziz is a good looking guy ????. I don't worship white beauty standards though so that might be the difference.
wracky272 6y ago
He dresses well, but generally speaking short and skinny is not ideal.
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There is nothing wrong with his face. I watched some of his specials. He is feminized. Alpha moves in bed is not congruent with his behaivor, more than it not being in line with his face. But as an EC said push pull during sex is essential for men who are not top 1% alphas
mwait 6y ago
There is nothing horribly wrong with his face... but let's be real here... conventionally attractive, he is not.
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I am slightly faceblind, and I am 100% serious about that. What makes his face not conventionally attractive besides being indian?
mwait 6y ago
He has a very round face that lacks any real definition. You cannot see his cheek bones or jawline. His eyes are very large and round, which is a feminine trait. His teeth are fine, but he has a pretty bad smile.
I mean, the guy isn't bad looking by any stretch of the imagination. But very few girls are going to look at him and get tingles, regardless of his ethnicity. The guy is decidedly average looking.
avocadowithsalt123 6y ago
When they threat you good, threat them better.
When they are hitting you below the belt..smash their head with an axe.
We are entering the era which is very bad for a male and it wont be solved with rational dialog and healthy discussion.
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Still a fan of Aziz Ansari lol that girl sounds annoying af
InscrutablePUA 6y ago
We're rapidly approaching the point where a man with any power, direct or indirect, will never be able to get bulletproof consent.
Of course women are not attracted to power-less men so you have a nice Catch-22 developing.
RedPill115 6y ago
I think a lot of this is driven by older women that are post-wall and guys aren't attracted to them any more. They're miserable, they want all the younger women to be miserable to.
For some of the younger women this seems like a minimum-effort way to force a man into staying in a relationship with her. If he goes to leave she can just threaten that if he leaves she'll make sexual accusations against him.
handklap 6y ago
The reputation of a public figure is his income. With social media and feminism backed by the mainstream media, any public figure is fair game with no ability to defend himself. No matter the facts, the damage will be done.
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MarinTaranu 6y ago
She would have had to file a criminal complaint, her name would be exposed (I think, assault is not rape, no anonymity), and any lawyer worth his salt would have eaten her alive (pardon the pun) on the stand. Instead, like the coward she is, she used the courtof public opinion to beg for some attention.
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Whisper 6y ago
This gives away the game right here.
All of this isn't about sex at all. It's a political weapon against heterosexual white males, and the left is trying to put the brakes on it the moment it starts showing signs of splash damage.
Along with blacks and Palestinians, the left has adopted sexual accusers as mascots, and, as with the previous two groups, the actual welfare of the mascots is beside the point.
No, the point is to remove collective political power from heterosexual white males.
Why?
Because heterosexual white males are libertarian, independent, and difficult to rule, and the left's agenda is the expansion of the state into every aspect of life.
Why?
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100%. It's all about power.
Dargalo04 6y ago
Looks like it's time to secretly record every interaction.
MacAndGzus 6y ago
This article and the whole hit job is incredibly disturbing. If this is all it takes to ruin a person’s career, then we’re all done.
Beyond disappointing that entire livelihoods are being destroyed for negligent reasons and instead of trying to empower someone to defend themselves appropriately if they are truly uncomfortable, we’re teaching them to cry assault and destroy a life instead.
If these actions continue to get promoted rather than an encouragement of the appropriate way to handle these situations (don’t go back to someone’s home, simply say no, use physical force if needed/if someone else using unwanted force on you), we’ll end up in a place that is very far off from an “equal” society and we’ll likely get to the point of destroying humanity as we currently know it/have known it since the beginning of history.
The same way women crave “affection”, men crave physical action. It’s built in to our DNA. To be chastised and have our lives ruined for it is disgraceful. This isn’t even guilty until proven innocent, this is guilty until sit down and shut up while we destroy your existence.
Eckz89 6y ago
guilty by accusation.. It's the modern "witch hunt" methodology.
Farmer is annoying you? Accuse his wife of being a witch... that'll teach him.
needaparka 6y ago
This won't ruin his career. He's still funny, people will still watch him.
ABrownLamp 6y ago
Idk man, I thibk mumbling, giving non verbal cues and sucking dick multiple times should be enough for any man to know you're not interested
Heisenbread77 6y ago
I tell you, I knew right when she put her lips on my dick that she had no interest in me whatsoever.
ABrownLamp 6y ago
I kept sucking harder and harder on his dick to let him know I wasn't comfortable with any of this. At one point I even started gagging on it as a verbal cue. Guh guh guh guh ahhhh. Then I spit on it angrily and looked up at him. I'm only gonna do that one more time before I leave I said to myself.
kittyclaw200 6y ago
You can go MGTOW. Some of us were smart enough to see this shit coming.
MCDownlow 6y ago
RedPillers won't believe it until it happens to them. They think they've got if figured out by "keeping frame" and being "a good captain." It's just a fact of life now; if you interact with women at all, any one of them can have you arrested or fired at any point. Women have become a Damacles Sword hanging over every man's head.
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TheDecorator 6y ago
It’s the scariest and greatest time to be a man. Some men will be completely turned off by the mission. Afraid they will somehow become another #metoo accused. Some men will be happy to pick up the scraps. Picking up right where they left off pretty much ignoring the movement completely. Because when it’s all said and done this will be another fad to fade away. Women will be women and men will be men. Alphas will be alphas and betas will be betas.
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[deleted] 6y ago
This is definitely a job for weaponized autism. I wonder what’s going on over in /pol/
redpillschool Admin 6y ago
Please don't call for doxxing of anybody. This is against reddit's TOS
MGTOWManofMystery 6y ago
You are right. My bad! It's just not fair that Aziz gets dragged through the mud and she gets to hide IMHO.
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IamJonSnow22 6y ago
God bless Ashleigh Banfield. A TV host. Who basically slammed the accuser, and rightfully so.
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
Aziz is quoted as saying after the allegation: "I continue to support the movement that is happening in our culture. It is necessary and long overdue." So, an obvious supporter of the #MeToo movement is trying to destroy him and his career and he continues to support the movement? I would have thought that he'd be questioning the movement's willingness to destroy the falsely accused (he states the sex was consensual). Supporting those who are out to destroy you just doesn't make sense. All I can think of is that many men are fearful or terrorized to not support this so called movement.
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I love how feminist are saying " he pulled out his dick and she started sucking it, twice, but maybe she didnt want to! it was because of his power!"
wtf ? what power? was he a jedi using the force ?
If i were him i would use my millions to sue her into the ground.
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CrazyHorseInvincible 6y ago
Do not announce that you are a woman.
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Canttakethewhyfromme 6y ago
“You men are all alike”. Yes, we are! How the fuck have women not figured it out? It’s pretty fucking easy to figure out. Great dinner, guy invites me back to his place...surely, this time it’s just to talk.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
I just want to lose respect for him and feel ugly by not being pursued sexually. Is that so hard to ask???
blue_27 6y ago
"Can I interest you in any Amway products?"
peeng_newt 6y ago
Hey!... Maybe he really likes me
2Stoned0Jaguar9deux 6y ago
Maybe he will hold out sex until he marries me. He is such a great guy!
Rian_Stone 6y ago
Protip, she knew.
He was so bad at seducing her, and she actually felt awkward about it.
-firemelon- 6y ago
that's not it she wanted to try and get him to commit to her but she'd already shown she was a groupie.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
But bro he wrote a book on modern romance, called 'Modern Romance'. Imagine if someone could take him down from such a pedestal in that exact context and prove him wrong. That person would be powerful right??
Rian_Stone 6y ago
they all do
everyone
I get your point, and lump this whole thing under 'don't eat paint'
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Women are attracted to men with power, money, fame, success, more than men are attracted to women with the same attributes.
At this point, if a woman says she was sexually assaulted without hard evidence, I’m going to assume she merely regrets her decision to get naked for a rich blue pill until proven in court.
Whiteout- 6y ago
Not to mention that she's not using her real identity. This could be literally anybody. Zero credibility.
obama_loves_nsa 6y ago
Downvote brigades out in massive force
Damn we’re getting close to the hive on this one. The overlords will not be happy by our investigation
Blackhawk2479 6y ago
The irony is that that is the exact fucking stance the legal system is supposed to take already, but the court of public opinion has usurped the notion of innocent until proven guilty.
Original_Dankster 6y ago
I don't really feel sorry for him at all. Another white knight who built a career on mocking masculinity and kissing feminist ass got bit by the monster he fed.
There should be no surprises in this tale for red pill men. Ansari reaps what he sowed. He's just another data point on the chart of societal decline.
Meh.
PabloAsscrowbar 6y ago
Just like the Vichy French hoping to cozy up to the Nazis but got owned in Case Anton.
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
And Aziz continues to support the movement that is out to destroy him, even after the allegation. He's hopeless but I hope at least some other white knights can use this as a cautionary story to knock them to their senses.
indeydius 6y ago
Rollo's Dangerous Times series has three installments. After Aziz, it needs another.
Over the weekend, I was rereading TRM and there's a part where he says that men have won the sexual revolution. We didn't. It was temporary and we're living the backlash now. Here's my reasoning. We make a big deal out of women wanting mainly provisioning in their later years. That's only a piece of it. They long for male frame and comfort. The alternative is an eternal sleep with their cats. Initially, no-fault divorce seemed like it was good for women. When trad fams started divorcing, men were the breadwinners. Women got freedom and money. Men got freedom too, except for having to pay alimony. The unheard cry was for commitment. Young women now realize that they will never get the commitment that they want and they're pissed. They see their divorced moms surrounded by cats and tranquilizers and they know what is waiting for them.
We are seeing their counter-punch. Women now reserve the right to completely destroy a man if they don't get the commitment that they want. We think about where all of this is headed and the theory we usually end at is complete culling of the betas. Another theory is that we are walking a long road back to lifelong mate pairing (after the wall of course) but it will be enforced by FI, not "patriarchy."
There's a powerful lesson here. The forces that shape society shape it in ways that have nothing to do with what people say. Watch what they do and you'll see that women today are acting as frail and powerless as they did decades ago. The sexual revolution was a blip. We're reverting to the mean. New Victorianism is the same as the old Victorianism because masculinity and femininity don't change.
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Ten minutes into 'The Meyerowitz Stories' on Netflix, Dustin Hoffman's character is shaming Adam Sandler's character to 'not take alimony' from a wealthy ex-wife after years of living as a stay-at-home dad. FI is relentless.
Another installment, as you describe, is the FI counterpunch to awakening men - matters of sex and money. How dare a man expect alimony? Ridiculous.
viyacondios 6y ago
I think you've hit the nail on the head: women reserve the right to completely destroy a man if they don't get the commitment they want.
This is how I'd play devil's advocate and hamster it like they would. A guy accepting sex without intending to (or indeed feeling forced to regardless of how the two people's dynamic grows) give commitment is being duplicitous. Analogous to how pulling a dine-and-dash at a restaurant is a crime; they're both examples of fraud.
While a generalization, we can say that men enjoy relating to women but feel loved through sex, whereas women enjoy sex but feel loved through being related to. Thus early dating is a form of back-and-forth kickstarting. A guy starts by asking the woman out to and paying for dates, and relating to her. The woman (still perhaps not 100% sure) sleeps with the man. And with two compatible people you have a positive feedback loop that can turn into an LTR.
Of course there are men and women who act within this expected narrative in bad faith. Women getting free dinner from men they'd never touch. Men dating and sleeping with baby-rabies women while omitting to mention their disinterest in an LTR.
Even if done in bad faith, I don't think these are examples of theft and sexual assault, respectively.
I suppose it comes down to whether we call something an expected narrative (or social more) versus calling it a covert contract (an agreement the other party never heard or agreed to). It's not a covert contract of the restaurant to think dine-and-dash is wrong; everyone knows it's wrong. But the hamster here is thinking that this too (the expectation of commitment after sex) isn't a covert contract but a social more.
My takeaway is that if you want a sperg-like contract to sign with the woman as a way to document consent, it should contain the usual stuff about consent to the sex acts, but it should also outline that engaging in this sex is (a) not indicative of any interest in commitment (either not at all, or not until one sees how the dynamic grows between the two people), and (b) not to be held or considered as a payment for any transactional expectation of the future.
Of course good luck getting a woman to sign that...
EDIT: Although fuck it, if I ever was back in the dating game, I would ask a woman to sign something like that. I'd frame it as (since I respect her so much) I would only want to proceed with sex if I had her ultimate indication of enthusiastic consent. If they didn't like it they could go home with blue ovaries.
JackGetsIt 6y ago
Well said. To shorten this if women are not forceable controlled by masculine constructions (religion, law, finance etc) for good or bad women will do it. There is not compromise, there is no truce. It's control or be controlled in the gender war and since modern society gives women more freedoms than they've ever had in the history of the world we are seeing this gynocentric dystopia play out before our eyes.
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Soulofbuddha 6y ago
sorry but nope, women can never win this game, as ultimately they need men more than we need them, and men are vastly superior to women biologically. Feminism can never enforce anything without men doing the dirty work for women, and now that even feminist men are targeted by these false accusations of rape and sexual misconduct, the powerful beta men who used to support feminist causes will stop funding them, more men will go mgtow, less children will be born, women wont find any man to marry, and eventually the economy will collapse, after that when we approach something close to anarchy, Hard patriarchy will be enforced by men again, and women will shut up and do as they are told.
Of course, this is all unless we change the social narrative and laws first before it goes that far, and give men our authority back and acknowledge that women cannot handle equality. Either way, men win.
JackGetsIt 6y ago
The key word is 'men' most men today are not men. They are emasculated subservient shells or never matured at all. Therefore women have an endless supply of drones to run society for them.
Masculinity is due up for a hard rebirth.
This could easily happen if men just wake up and take back the reins. I think that's what men thought they were doing when they voted for Trump. In reality they just voted for a confident man more concerned about his bank account than the future fabric of american society.
backtofiat 6y ago
good
aziz ansari is a little turd of a man and he deserves this 100%
his own retarded politics encourage this kind of insane behavior, I'm very glad to see him getting fucked by it
fiat30 6y ago
The thing that makes me laugh the most is that he was the most snake-like left-wing pro-womyn brown dude on the media. Even someone so deep in the fox's den is not safe.
I wonder if he'll pass through these woods now that he's been burned. If you do, Aziz, welcome bruv! Read the sidebar, lift heavy, stay single.
sweetb00bs 6y ago
“It was actually painful to watch him win and accept an award,” That's the real problem.
WTHub 6y ago
HLN Host Ashleigh Banfield Slams Aziz Ansari Accuser: "You Have Chipped Away at a Movement"
Amen to this woman...she called "Grace" on her false accusation/ "bad date"
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hln-host-ashleigh-banfield-slams-aziz-ansari-accuser-you-have-chipped-away-at-a-movement-1074877
demzzy 6y ago
She hit the nail right on the head and as many other have been sayings, it's almost turning out now to be a witch hunt.. smh
popcornready14 6y ago
My biggest fear is being falsely accused of anything and then being labeled even before the truth came out.
Its a god damn witch hunt out there now.
ktchong 6y ago
We should ignore all these "anonymous" woman accusers. If an accuser refuses to identify herself, then we should treat her allegation as unfounded.
The right of the accused to confront his accuser is a basic tenet of our legal system. It is also the Sixth Amendment in the US Constitution. Why are we allowing women to violate a basic legal right as guaranteed by the US Constitution when they make accusations against men?
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
Social and main stream media has no problems printing unsubstantiated allegations, no proof, no due process and no constitutional rights are needed. I also ask myself why so many white knight men continue to support the feminist cause to their own detriment.
atticusfinch1973 6y ago
So I read an article about this which was obviously written by a mad woman who had been through her own “almost rape” situation.
The good news is that social media comments, most of which are made by women, are in the majority saying that what happened to this woman and Ansari was not assault or rape and is trivializing actual assault.
So maybe some women actually get it.
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I am so glad that this metoo movement push many liberals to conservatives side. We have been saying this from the beginning. Betas will never listen
GunsGermsAndSteel 6y ago
I wish people would stop calling it the #metoo movement. That word seems to imply actually taking action for a cause.
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I don’t know if I’ve ever considered myself liberal, but Ive always been a solid democrat. But I can NOT support this crap. It’s pathetic, and the fact that anyone can support this, let alone expect an apology from aziz, is very well beyond me. If the republicans can moderate on some issues, I will gladly switch parties.
pisspoordecisions 6y ago
What’s fucked is he did apologize, immediately. She still smeared him.
Heisenbread77 6y ago
Fuck both of those parties! Libertarian is what we need. Or just a damn apocalypse.
disposable_pants 6y ago
Don't get your hopes up. Someone who agrees with the left on a wide variety of political questions isn't going to suddenly throw all that out because the social element of the party has gone too far. If they think companies should be taxed more, they're not going to suddenly think companies should be taxed less just because some comedian got smeared.
It's the same thing with Trump supporters on the right. They're starting to realize that he personally is ridiculous, but that doesn't mean they're suddenly going to push for higher taxes on companies. They believe all the same fundamental political stuff they believed beforehand, even if they're starting to reject some extreme versions of specific ideas that fall broadly under the same umbrella.
InstigatingDrunk 6y ago
this times 1000. I consider myself a fiscal liberal but social moderate. Trumps fiscal policies and his belief on immigrants is something I will never stand behind. instead of #metoo we should make #eattherich a thing lmao.
wracky272 6y ago
I'd like to add to this that a massive percentage of voters in the U.S. are single issue voters (and this isn't the issue for most). It's things like abortion, economic policy, healthcare, or senior entitlements.
This might have an impact on the millennial vote, though (presuming they actually show up in 2018/2020). Lots of the older millenials (the ones buying houses and SUVs and starting families) are so over this reactionary emotional bullshit that it would take an exceptional Democratic candidate to keep their vote (Not Biden, not Oprah ffs).
InstigatingDrunk 6y ago
Yeah I agree. I am tired of seeing so much time invested in social bullshit. Fix economic issues. ensure people have livable wages and the rest falls into place.
bigcitytruth 6y ago
The Aziz story is definitely fucked up. He didn't deserve this.
But I want to point out that the guy has no game. He took her out on a dinner date. Never take a first date out to dinner! Dinner is only for long term relationships or until at least you've fucked a few times. And never put the moves on the girl at the end of a date. Put the moves as early as possible. Like within a half hour, if the flirting is going great and all signs are good, go in closer and closer until you kiss. Work that tension and excitement. By the time a couple hours pass and you're ready to get down to business, you've pretty much got it in the can. The last-minute-resistance would take place in the bar/establishment at the moment you say, "Let's get outta here," instead of by surprise later on while awkwardly sitting on your couch. Not only do you risk not getting laid, that awkward scenario is begging to be used against you later on.
APSTNDPhy 6y ago
You're taking the story as gospel. It's probably like 10% true at best.
bigcitytruth 6y ago
You're right on that one. Still, even if it was embellished, I think the dinner-on-the-first-date probably did happen, which just that by itself is a huge signifier of Aziz's lack of dating skills.
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Daaaaaamn!! Bro can you teach me more?? Everything you've said, I did the opposite and now things make sense.
bigcitytruth 6y ago
The earlier you clearly establish to her that you want her, the better. Good conversation doesn't count. It has to be real-deal flirting where she knows you want her. The sweet spot is sexual tension, where you let her know you want her, but just shy of showing all your cards. Drives her nuts (in a good way).
Simple example, when you first meet: "So where's your boyfriend?" She says she's single. You smile and look her in the eye, "Good." Boom, you've set yourself apart from 99% of boring losers who ask her "Where are you from."
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daamn! and here I was playing like I am not 'that interested' to protect my ego. Sensei, this is brilliant. I went to this 'meetup' to play board games, there was some akward chic there but man she's cute. I couldn't hit on her because of all the people there more interested in board games and i ended up in another table. I messaged her on meetup and said 'it was nice meeting you yesterday julia, are you free for coffee next week?'
bigcitytruth 6y ago
Eh you may have lost that one. Do better next time. You have to establish some sort of sexual tension before any "friend" vibes are established.
Sitting by her would've been best, but in that situation, talk to her during a break or after a round. "So where's your boyfriend?" She'll blush hard.
[deleted] 6y ago
You're right sensei lol no response. Another Meetup on Saturday so I'll get to work there. What about tinder? I matched with two girls so far (in a 3 day period) but I sent a msg and no response
bigcitytruth 6y ago
No need to call me sensei. I don't have time to teach you, but I'll give you this. Every time you meet a woman, you're either Mr. Sexy, or Mr. Gay Boyfriend. Note that it's not Mr. Nice or Mr. Interesting or Mr. Conversational.
There's a ticking time bomb of about two minutes for you to establish that you're Mr. Sexy (or 2 texts). If not, you're Mr. Gay Boyfriend and stuck in the friend zone. Any attempt at flirting past the friend zone will have you labeled as a creep or loser.
Mr. Nice: Where's your boyfriend/Cool
Mr. Sexy: Where's your boyfriend/Good
Mr. Nice: I like your dress/It looks good
Mr. Sexy: I like your dress/You look good
The more subtle you are with sexual tension, the more powerful it is, because it builds up mystery. You'll get better with practice. It takes years to hone. Use your youth to mess up and get better at it. Don't rely on Tinder too much, do it in person. If you're on Tinder, don't talk too much. Get to flirting right away. And tell her to meet the instant she responds well, don't keep blabbing. Then in person, flirt hard.
[deleted] 6y ago
Brilliant again! Thanks man
SoloKip 6y ago
As a gay dude, not gonna lie times like this I feel sorry for straight/bi dudes. After talking with female friends, from the outside, it appears to me that men and women speak a completely different language when it comes to sexual encounters. Also, not to be crude, but dicks can be a reasonably good indicator if someone isn't feeling up for it (pun intended) .
This case here was definitely a miscommunication on both sides and I can understand that she might have felt a bit pressured to have sex. I don't think she was assaulted though. I think she should have ended the matter with the texts they exchanged the next day. He said sorry and she expressed how it made her feel.
I don't think there was any need to sell him to the press. Just my two cents though.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
A theory, called "the unthinging"
it's called unthinging If you can look past this particular subject matter and apply it to this example.
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Awkward sexual eventunwanted sexual advanceTo
max_peenor 6y ago
Excellent. This should be a top post. I might have some time on Wednesday morning to do a SMV Ladder post.
And next year that bar guy is totally fucked. How long until sexual assault
convictionsplea deals involve direct payments (on installment plans with interest, of course) to the victims?kragshot 6y ago
You forgot one last scenario:
Great sex: man that will respect me
Middling sex: man that will consider marrying me
Awkward sex: man that will at least buy me dinner first
Unwanted sexual advance: man that won't beat me
Sexual assault: criminal
redpillschool Admin 6y ago
That Frame Game Radio thread was interesting to read, though I can't help thinking there might have been a better platform for his argument than a micro-blogging site like twitter where he's limited in characters and has to start numbering his updates...
Rian_Stone 6y ago
I would assume he does, I only recently found out he existed
EminemLovesGrapes 6y ago
He does NOT. I looked him up...
and his main method up until he started a youtube channel a couple days ago was a website filled with tweet threads
That's not an effective way of communicating information.
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empatheticapathetic 6y ago
Please read the rules:
Do not annouce that you are a woman
Posts & Comments
Reported as: Do not annouce that you are a woman
Women frequently use their sex to try and seize special attention on the internet. This does not fly in our community. Having a vagina does not afford your words special weight or wisdom, or give you any inside understanding of how men should deal with women.
If you are female, do not say "woman here," or "as a female" or anything that identifies you as such. Your comments and posts should be able to stand on the merit of your ideas alone.
sjdfhskdjfh 6y ago
It couldn't have happened to a bigger piece of shit. That's what he gets for publicly declaring himself a feminist.
quazimodo_007 6y ago
Horny, drunk, male feminist, on a power trip,5 foot 3, brown,lapsed muslim, probably with tiny cock, who blew his load after 2 minutes blowjob. She regretted it later and complained.
MGTOWManofMystery 6y ago
The Babe article is infuriating. All she had to do is tell Aziz NO! Or leave. Verbal and non-verbal cues? Just tell him you aren't interested and leave! These feminists are strong, independent women until sex is involved and then they turn into toddlers unable to say no. Amazing.
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Nope. Second wave feminists are strong women. I know some IRL, many who I know for a fact have put their money where their mouth is. I actually have some respect for feminists of that generation who have the cajones to tell men to FUCK RIGHT OFF if they don't want to do something.
Third wave feminists are infantile and scream about the "patriarchy", all the while demanding for society (ie, men) to defend their every whim at every step of the way and to take no personal responsibility for their actions. Seems somewhat... Oh what's the word... Paternalistic. Good grief.
Metalageddon 6y ago
Well... He asked, she said no. He called her a cab.
Nothing happened. She willingly sucked his dick, he didn't force it, he didn't stop her from leaving, he did nothing wrong except maybe not be a psychic.
Now he pays the price of actually associating with a common hoe.
RedPill115 6y ago
As the article points out her phrasing strongly suggests this is nowhere near the first time she's gone home with a guy and found the results unsatisfying.
People have claimed here that being tall and popular is an easy in and you'll get laid all the time because all the woman want your attention - but I've said it doesn't really work like that.
For a girl to get the validation she's looking for from a semi-attractive guy, she usually has to sleep with him. Otherwise, what? She flirted with someone vaguely attractive and it didn't go anywhere? Not exciting. The sex itself has to be exciting or there's not much validation for her.
But with the tall attractive guy all the girls want, it's different. She can have sex with anyone, but only by turning down the attractive guy everyone knows does she get a level of validation both that he would sleep with her and a story she can openly tell to all her friends. If she sleeps with him she knows she's attractive. If he turns him down - she can tell everyone that she's attractive enough to get together with the top guy in the group, but without sounding like a slut when she tells her story over and over (because she didn't actually sleep with him).
MGTOWManofMystery 6y ago
That's part of it. And, not to mention, Aziz isn't really a catch. He's cute and funny. Surely not a Chad that could give her the tingles. Celebrity and wealth can put lipstick on pigs, but in their heart-of-hearts, the gals still want only Chads and Tyrones. I suspect she wanted to leach onto his celebrity without putting out. Much like gals say "I want a sugar daddy but I don't want to give any sugar."
NorthEasternNomad 6y ago
Or as others have said...maybe...not go home with him to begin with? I mean...you already felt rushed through dinner. Why the hell would you go home with him?
mirage1e 6y ago
Haha you’d enjoy the story that went viral about a girl who went to a music festival topless (covered in glitter) and punched a guy who ran up and tried to cop a feel. The internet had their pitchforks out for his head but if you were the guy who said something like “maybe don’t go topless to a sexually charged, drug and alcohol induced party and it’d be less likely to happen” you would have your head chopped off next to the assailant’s.
Women don’t make any preventative measures or have any accountability anymore. They do whatever the fuck they want without thinking and expect no consequences.
What year is it again? 2018, well there’s at least 2018 years of solid evidence that when a man takes you home with him that he will be making a move.
NorthEasternNomad 6y ago
I feel obligated to mention that the guy had no right to grope her and that's not something to condone. And I fully understand you are NOT condoning his actions.
On the other hand... yeah: gonna be lots of drunk, stoned young men, but sure...go topless. What could possibly go wrong?
Yep. Not a smart decision. He had no right to try and make her a victim. But she didn't have to make herself so vulnerable, either. I'm not condoning his actions...but she perhaps should also have considered her own safety when deciding where to walk around topless.
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thevirtualcorner 6y ago
To be fair, you can’t touch strippers in a strip clubs also
mirage1e 6y ago
Lmao of course not. Careful not to make the mistake of misconstruing the point. Not once did I say it’s allowed. I was saying don’t go topless and you’re less likely to be targeted, the world isn’t full of gentlemen.
Tesrali 6y ago
ya but there's decorum in a strip club At a rock concert you're crammed like sardines into a smelly shithole.
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
It is amazing how many women will deflect responsibility and say that it's up to men to change without women having to do anything. If it is brought up that it may not be wise to go to the man's apartment on the 1st date until you get to know him better, they will argue that men should not be rapists and need to change their ways. If I take a midnight walk through Central Park NYC and get mugged, people would question my sanity and ask me what was I thinking not taking proper precautions. Many women seem to argue that it is their God given right to walk anywhere at anytime and that men should ensure that they are allowed to do so.
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PabloAsscrowbar 6y ago
TIL that if a girl strips naked and lets you go down on her, she is not interested in you.
whoismikejoneswho 6y ago
I don't like him or his act but this whole thing really hits a nerve. Fuck that entitled brat. Ironic that she is doing as much damage to the #me2 movement as she is to Aziz Ansari.
Johnnyvile 6y ago
I like how this author actually knows how a person should say “no” and what an actual sexual assault may look like. Not the scenarios #metoo keeps using. Now it’s a veiled giggly but implied “no” but she has sex anyways because he forced a “cmon babe” and she felt she had to and after not getting a response to her text the next day it’s an assault.
bitchpotatobunny 6y ago
Fortunately for Aziz Ansari, even other women, some with national audiences, are calling "Grace" an entitled cunt who cried wolf. In this news clip, which is just a video of a news anchor calling "Grace" out for her bullshit accusation, Asleigh Banfield even goes on to recognize and state that unsubstantiated claims like this are what will ultimately end this #metoo movement. He's taken an initial hit for this shit, but because of how blatantly ridiculous this is, he's gaining a lot of support from people who wouldn't otherwise give a shit and he might actually come out on top. One thing that is unfortunately for sure though, he'll always be remembered as a terrible lover and there will be many jokes made about it at his expense.
redpillschool Admin 6y ago
The author of this piece is still firmly plugged in, but it's still an interesting read.
These are the working definitions feminists have been using for a while now. Anything pleasing to men is "weak." It's not just strongly implied at this point, it's spelled out in plain english.
The author didn't get this week's memo and accidentally starting pointing out cracks in the narrative. Good luck to her.
JackGetsIt 6y ago
It's a step in the right direction. I'll taken second wave feminism over third wave tumblr feminist any day of the week.
reecewagner 6y ago
I actually thought it was a well-reasoned piece from the female perspective. Zero screeching, and admitting of the flaws in the female narrative - disappointment is enough to punish a man for, and she says the words loud and clear.
SelfUnmadeMan 6y ago
It is refreshing to hear a reasoned female argument that begins to approach the perspective that the current climate--and these accusations--are fucking bonkers.
I don't think she was hard enough on the anonymous girl-child, but she obviously disapproves of her behavior.
PrancingPeach 6y ago
I agree, this is an extremely unusual piece in that it seems to really have empathy for everyone involved and both sides of the debate while still daring to forcefully arrive at a conclusion that goes against her own screed.
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Removed the mis, makes more sense now:
...to punish every kind of male sexual conduct
RedBigMan 6y ago
Thats ok even the Betas and Omegas are waking up and realizing rosy palm and her 5 sisters are easier to deal with than trying to slay the golden vag.
Just because you think you're alpha or whatever don't think that this shit can't happen to you too. You don't end up as a celebrity or hollywood producer or whatever because you're a beta pussy. Just saying. If some bitch is pissed you dumped her ass and got a hot new 18 year old piece of ass she might come at you with accusations like this too. I fully expect to see a whole lot more of these in the future and expect to ignore the shit out of them because truth is most of the women are sucking dick to get the fame to rub off on them.
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They all about that famous dick aura... until it fades, then it’s time for some bitter revenge.
RedPill115 6y ago
I saw that purple haired new character in star wars and it was funny how much my brain instantly recognized her as the type of woman that's the current voice behind this.
She always thought that one day sex and relationship would happen, but it passed her by. Now she spends her time looking disapprovingly on people having sex, doing what she can to sabotage them. Misery loves company.
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disposable_pants 6y ago
This is the crux of the discussion I've seen from nearly everyone (whether they lean left or right) who talks about these stories in detail -- that all of these situations are not equal, and that we haven't yet figured out how to handle sexual misconduct that's not blatantly horrible. Forcing someone down and raping them is blatantly horrible. Drugging someone and raping them is blatantly horrible. Audibly jacking off while you're on the phone with a female colleague (one of the stories that came out about Louis CK)? Obviously unprofessional, obviously unpleasant, but far from blatantly horrible. That's the merely "disappointing" end of the "grotesque to the disappointing" scale the author mentions, and because this stuff is just now getting widespread public visibility we are just now figuring out how to parse the difference. Behavior that up until now was all thrown in a "sexual misconduct -- treat extremely seriously" box is now getting unpacked and sorted into more precisely labeled boxes that will get handled more appropriately.
The "me too" discussion will end up being a good thing, because it's going to force the question of "is an awkward sexual encounter actually sexual assault," and society as a whole will decide that it isn't. There's going to be pushback against women whose stories come out more to humiliate men than to expose serious misconduct, and the idea that not all accusations should be career enders will gain more traction -- the author of this article says as much. Already we're seeing the shift from "X celebrity is now the worst person ever hate hate hate HATE!" to "X celebrity was accused of Y and Z; how bad is this, and should he get the same treatment as Bill Cosby?".
indeydius 6y ago
I hope this is where it all jumps the shark but I'm not convinced. We'll know soon if Master of None isn't canceled.
There have been dozens of men purged from entertainment now. I wonder whether they will join forces somehow.
Thotwrecker 6y ago
Master of None is one of the more successful netflix shows, I don't think they'll cancel it over this. I think Aziz will have to spin this right and remain adamant that he did no wrong; as soon as you give an inch, they take a mile, and they will take everything from him if he lets them. If this snowballs into some big thing, then yeah he'll lose his show, but as long as he just keeps frame he'll be fine.
GunsGermsAndSteel 6y ago
Yeah they could do a Netflix comedy special called “Netflix & Chill”.
SelfUnmadeMan 6y ago
"Netflix & Chill & Get Falsely Accused"
Not the catchiest title, I know, but accurate.
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Fingercel 6y ago
I'm hoping - perhaps naively - that this will not be a career ender for Aziz. I don't believe he has as of yet lost any business opportunities or creative collaborators, and the Babe article seems to have encountered at least some pushback from mainstream sources.
I think some of Ansari's behavior was inappropriate, though it clearly does not meet any reasonable definition of sexual assault. I also agree with Flanagan that the article was framed as, essentially, revenge porn: his worst behavior was curiously de-emphasized in favor of invoking the reader's disgust reflex over "bad sex" more generally.
Snoopy_Doggy 6y ago
When I first heard this story I thought to myself, no way this guy is capable of forcing a woman to do anything, and doesn't deserve this. But he's a willing accomplice to the metoo movement and one of its ardent supporters. If he got hoisted by his own petard that would make a good cautionary tale.
So I think it would be better if he got his show flushed and career ended, not because it's just for himself since he did nothing wrong that night, but because every day before and since he promoted the "woman are always to be believed and men are always liars" mantra.
So, let his career burn. Hopefully this will help de-cuckify some small segment of the population, some of whom might end up actually with good careers. Honestly watching the second season of his show was cringeworthy at times, he is so awkward and beta it's not even funny. I almost think he must have driven this woman to call what he did "sexual misconduct" (even though there is no such thing, since no one can agree on what that would even mean), because of her revulsion at having slept with such an inept and ultimately unsatisfying lay. I mean, of course he's bad in bed, he oozes femininity and subservience. There's no way an attractive woman would feel anything but shame afterwards (not saying he deserves false accusations).
Let his career die that others' may live.
Fingercel 6y ago
Honestly, I've never watched Master of None and I'm not too familiar with his routine outside of Parks and Rec, in which I thought he was great.
I do think you can make the case that Ansari's own public persona has in effect turned on him. Would this all be playing out in the same way if he didn't present himself as a kind of casually enlightened quasi-feminist who literally wrote the book on modern romance? The answer may well be no. But again, that goes back to the fact that this is about humiliation - "look at this hypocritical fraud! he's so awkward and pushy and gross!" - more than the exposure of any genuinely immoral conduct. If you're getting some kind of pleasure out of his humilation, fine. But let's be honest about it.
RedPill115 6y ago
Why? He's getting what he deserves.
Aziz Ansari Explains Why We Should All Be Feminists
http://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/news/a15009/aziz-ansari-feminism-interview/
Fingercel 6y ago
I mean, I don't know. His "feminism" is insipid and watered down to the point of meaninglessness, as is the case with most glib celebrity "feminists" these days. I have some empathy for media figures who see a cultural moment and feel obliged to ingratiate themselves to a certain degree.
disposable_pants 6y ago
I think Ansari will be ultimately fine, even if he has to take a year or two detour in his career. I even think Louis CK will eventually make it out the other end. When you have really talented people who have done things that are cringey, but not criminal, I think they'll be OK.
The losers will be men who've actually forced themselves on women (no problem there), men who've pressured women into sex with the threat of career stagnation (mostly no problem there, although we're starting to toe the waters of "did she eagerly sleep with a guy for a part in a movie?" territory), and men who are small enough fries that they'll be chucked out in the trash even if they only did Ansari-level stuff. The last group is the largest and the least well off, so it'll suck the most for them.
Fingercel 6y ago
Maybe, but but "small fries" aren't really being targeted in the #MeToo revelations. It could spread, I suppose, but I generally get the sense that the culture just doesn't really care enough about minor figures to make it worth the mob's while. Obscurity, in this case, confers a degree of security.
And that's because so far, at least - and notwithstanding some productive discussion that I have seen here and there - #MeToo has primarily been about the humiliation and destruction of the individual. At worst, this manifests as petty, personal revenge; at best, critics talk about "making an example" and "setting a precedent." Regardless, it is only major celebrities that are really suited to the role of this sort of ritual sacrifice.
disposable_pants 6y ago
I think if a female coworker takes this exact story to HR in a complaint about a male employee it's significantly more likely to get the guy fired now than before "me too". Doesn't even have to be a coworker -- I can imagine a scenario where a woman posts some version of this on her ex's employer's page. Now think of how many Mattress Girls there are out there on college campuses, where individual students have no particular utility to the school and it's amazingly easy for a 50 year old dean to tell a 19 year old student he has to find another school.
No one wants to be holding the bag in this type of scenario if it blows up. You could already get fired for an accusation like this before; now there's just a higher risk of the story going viral if you aren't fired. It's not an epidemic, but it's 100% affecting more guys now than it did 2-3 years ago.
Fingercel 6y ago
Again, you certainly could be right - I'd be interested in seeing some data, though. (It seems to me significant that, for example, there have not to my knowledge been any major campus controversies to accompany the downfall of all these powerful men.) I'd stand by the hypothesis that the high-minded rhetoric of #MeToo (poorly) conceals a voyeuristic TMZ-style salaciousness and a culture of celebrity worship that are the real forces behind this movement.
disposable_pants 6y ago
Data would be great, but I have no idea where one would get it. To my knowledge companies aren't required to report "canned because of a sexual misconduct allegation" firings anywhere.
There were plenty -- a bunch of high-profile false accusations (the Duke Lacrosse case, Mattress Girl, Grant Neal, etc.) and plenty of real ones, too (Brock Turner). They just happened before the Hollywood thing blew up, not during it. That's a common path for ideas and culture; they get fleshed out in academia before spreading to the mainstream. Works the same with a lot of bands.
That's a perfectly reasonable point; I just think you're underestimating how well those same forces work on even low levels. Some VP or manager getting fired over a questionable accusation produces the same sort of drama for people around the situation, and can produce the same result writ smaller.
InfamousMJ 6y ago
Excerpts of this are golden and speak to some truths.
Notice her strategy (in hindsight): "Was Grace frozen, terrified, stuck? No. She tells us that she wanted something from Ansari and she was trying to figure out how to get it. She wanted affection, kindness, attention. Perhaps she hoped to maybe even become the famous man’s girlfriend."
Was Ansari reciprocating these intentions? Probably not: "He wasn’t interested. What she felt afterward—rejected yet another time, by yet another man—was regret."
Why regret? Because she's the gatekeeper of sex. He's the gatekeeper of the relationship. Her regret was that her sexual actions didn't get her what she wanted.
And what is the penalty now a days for such a crime? "Together, the two women may have destroyed Ansari’s career, which is now the punishment for every kind of male sexual misconduct, from the grotesque to the disappointing."
tldr: if she wants a relationship, give it to her (don't do it) or she'll publicly shame you and potentially ruin your career because you didn't give her what she wanted. Sex is a tool FBGM
-firemelon- 6y ago
Exactly! she was annoyed when she realised she couldn't get him to relinquish his independence and commit to her. This whole thing was an attempt to get a high value man to commit to her and it didn't go that way. TRP is truly amazing, before I had this knowledge what would I have thought? probably think he was a bad guy. now you can see through the bullshit so easily.
Tie5o11 6y ago
I think you are missing the forest from the tree's here. Aziz acted incredibly needy and had zero game- so she lost attraction. Clearly she had hopes going into the date- as does anyone from either gender who goes on any date, ever- but Aziz killed any attraction with his lack of game.
goodpillgonebad 6y ago
He is celebrity he doenst need to play games like the rest of the wannabe alpha losers on here ????. He just obv get a good bj then thought its ok to watch tv ???? she is on the other hand couldnt handle to give it away that easy to a celebrity that killed her future dating optins ( as u guys into games and sexual abuse with games only) ????
zephyrprime 6y ago
How was he needy? He seemed quite aggressive.
Ultimate_Mindset 6y ago
Should that be a crime? To have no game? Who cares about bitches and how they want to be seduced, fuck that shit. Why would men have to learn ''game''??? What game? The one that women play with men? WHY does this game come naturally to women and not to men? Why is only 1% of men succesfull with women? Why would this whole thing with women even be a thing? Why dont we learn from young age openly about the nature of the whole ''game''? And all the fucking manipulation from both sides in the seduction, really reading red pill I learned Its all fake, men just want sex, women just want the validation.
The shit tests are a clear sign that we as men are not enough, not trusted, weak and not worthy for what we are and what we represent. Our standard of how we behave and the need to be accepted by society has to rise in order to be interesting to females. This means following trends, thinking like everyone else, not any room for originality, sad killing of what men aspire to achieve, loss of adventurnes, loss of true self, a man today has to be a robot, too angry and he is a lunatic, too sad and he is weak, no human look at things, everyone is replacable, emotion has to go, women are allowed to keep it and they are allowed to be sluts and to be nice girls at the same time, men are OBEYING the rules set by who?
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Azevse 6y ago
This right here is the black pill boys, drink up
OracleofFl 6y ago
This! The issue was that she realize she was being plated and that the A-lister (or B+ lister) only wanted her sexually. Well what the hell did she expect? She approaches him and he brushes her off. He asses her as below him in SMV. However, at the end of the night when he had nothing else going and in the face of her constant attention, he gets her phone number.
Fast forward a few weeks he calls up to plate her, does a fast wine and dine and then she consents to going back to his place. What the fuck is she thinking? Is she thinking he wants her to go back to his place so they can plan their wedding or to make room in his closets for her to move in? She thinks there is a connection? By her own admission, he rushed her through dinner and rushed her home. Where are the boundaries she was (or should have been taught) by her parents?
Years and years ago, I went on a date with some chick I met through friends, took her back to her place and we made out (clothes stayed on). She wasn't letting me advance and I wasn't that into her so I left and didn't call her again. A few weeks later I hear through the grapevine that she is accusing me of trying to date rape her! WTF! My real crime? I didn't call her again. Aziz's real crime? He didn't call her again so she felt like the backup plate she was being interviewed for.
zephyrprime 6y ago
Actually, he did txt her the next day
chemicalprogrammer 6y ago
You touch on something important here. In the past decades a woman would have been taught to be savvy to these things. It's likely this girl was raised by modern liberal parents who encouraged her to go out there "be safe" and "have fun".
OracleofFl 6y ago
Beta or absent father, more than likely.
mirage1e 6y ago
Bro I feel you. I was on a date at the bar, this girl got sloshed. Like she kept ordering drinks, and she knew the owners wife so he kept bringing her plastic cups (yup cheap) quarter filled with patron as “shots” when I went to the bathroom while she was with her girls she had a mix drink, the little table that was clear had like 9 empty cups when I got back and she had a glass of wine in her hand lol later when she was on her way back from her trip to the bathroom she was talking to a random sketchy looking guy. End of the night: she puked up a storm, so much that I even slipped and fell in it. I waited 2 hours by her side babysitting her, walked her to my car and driver her home. The next day she came by my place, and I was expecting a thank you and/or maybe a “sorry for getting like that” silly me. Not only did she not acknowledge any of my good will, she says “well I thought I was drinking the same amount as you, but I was wasted and you weren’t....” hmmm needless to say: you couldn’t pay me to text her ever again, even her friend who set us up stopped being her friend after that.
You know what this behaviour from these women is low key teaching men: Hey if you’re going to do the time, you may as well commit the crime!
JackGetsIt 6y ago
She just straight up low key accused you of drugging her. That's why I don't help visually drunk chicks at all. They will use the closest available guy to scapegoat their irresponsibility without an iota of thought for what that might do to your reputation.
mirage1e 6y ago
Exactly, I couldn’t believe the audacity. The girl is fucked in the head like they all are
JackGetsIt 6y ago
It's so strange because in guy land that's a whoopin. Not so much in women land. The only way to hold women accountable today is with social ridicule and good luck orchestrating that in 'girl power' culture.
I wonder what modern women would be like if they were controlled more by cultural/religious/social norms. Probably still crazy but slightly less dangerous? happier for sure.
atticusfinch1973 6y ago
This woman went out for dinner with him, and went back to his place. This in itself isn't any type of offer.
However, she did allow him to make out with her, apparently strip off her clothes and give her oral while she manually stimulated him and then declined to have sex with him. Her words weren't no, they were "slow down". Meaning if he hadn't been such a beta guy who was obviously massively overeager for sex she likely would have let him bang her.
Rule for men - learn proper seduction skills and how to deal with LMR. And don't be a chump who just tries to grab a condom ten minutes after you get her back to your place.
And yet another example of guilty in the public eye as soon as a woman decides that they didn't like what you did. Lesson there is to make sure that they do.
Thotwrecker 6y ago
Yes, she gave him the classic not yet, which he interpretted wrong. Obviously it's a great injustice and all to live in a world where a fumbled sexual encounter means career implosion and potential jail time, but if your dick is literally in her mouth and you can't escalate to sex, you fucked up.
meaningintragedy 6y ago
At first I thought this was satire.
You pulled most this shit out of your ass. You don't know the details, and yet you blame him.
Even if he pulled a condom ten minutes after, he didn't sexually assault her. You're doing the all-men-are-pigs propaganda.
Typical case of putting pussy on a pedestal and pussy worshipping.
zephyrprime 6y ago
But going slower could be considered to be beta and unalpha. After all, doesn't an alpha just take what he wants? It's ridiculous to think that she would definitely not have made accusations if he just slowed down and succeeded in banging her. If anything, she would have been crying rape now if that had happened.
CopperFox3c 6y ago
Absolutely true. Men, take notice, of Ansari's failure to escalate properly. It's all push push push, no pull. He is in a rush instead of taking his time. Goes right for the honeypot immediately, instead of working her up first. And in the end, he made the woman uncomfortable ... well no surprise.
If you are doing it right, she should be wanting for it as much as you. You have to build the tension. Two steps forward, one step back. Keep it fun and playful. Draw her in.
no_face 6y ago
A celebrity like him probably doesnt need escalation expertise 99% of the time.
GrandYam_HomeRun 6y ago
I'm not saying your advice is wrong but with margins this thin, is it responsible to let average day Joes think they can play with this kind of fire and win? Suppose I did exactly what you're advocating and pulled off a big win - successful fuck close, everyone "seems" happy. What is to prevent this girl from having her friends convince her it was actually assault and she should promptly ruin my career. It's all gone completely off the rails and the rules have changed.
RedPill_Swinger 6y ago
Except that this is only fun for women. I don't like that push and pull shit and I bet most men here don't. So even though you have a valid point that's not the best strategy for all the parties involved. In this current state of things equality will never be reached.
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Irrelevant. Even if he had been PUA master blaster 2000, and hit all the high points in the kino escalation ladder, he’d still get hit with this horseshit. Aziz is extremely lucky he didn’t get it in.
atticusfinch1973 6y ago
Exactly. Although I'm willing to bet with his low level celebrity status this method has worked for him many times so he doesn't know any better. He's probably used to dealing with groupies who will fuck him right away even if they don't like him for status.
It only takes one woman to ruin your life.
wracky272 6y ago
I wonder how many people have read his "modern romance" book without a grain of salt. How unfortunate.
wracky272 6y ago
What's poignantly hilarious, is that if women read what you've written, they'll see a "rape guide"-- when really this is just how you have sex with enthusiastic consent which is what all of this fuss is about anyway. Men are supposed to just "pick up the subtle cues". Turns out that can be difficult, and when we try to give each other help on it? "NOPE, that's RAPE culture".
The irony is insane.
APSTNDPhy 6y ago
They think you are tricking them. But every guy who ever got it right, had to learn somehow. They just can't see the bigger picture.
disposable_pants 6y ago
Women want a man who "just gets it." Who doesn't need advice, or a pointer here or there. "Real men" "just get it"; men who don't immediately grok all the nuances of sexual interactions are rejects and should be shunned.
TitsAndWhiskey 6y ago
They can't picture themselves settling down and being happy with someone who was socially awkward and/or inexperienced in the past. The fantasy of locking down Chad is reliant on his vast, natural experience and self-learning. A man that had to ask other men for help is no true Chad, certainly not worth pursuing.
Docbear64 6y ago
The irony being we basically raise a generation of boys to treat women a way that does not garner sexual interest, have essentially scrapped the concept of "L Locker rooms" and male spaces which allow for open and honest male communication and notes exchanging , and then apparently they expect men to somehow " just get it " in adulthood.... or perhaps... maybe that's the biggest shit test of all .
If you can ignore what the vast majority of mainstream society says attracts women , ignore what women themselves state attracts women , and still be a man who doesn't succumb to those pressures maybe that is what shows you're worth fucking .
Maybe the men here are right and Feminism is one Massive large-scale shit test to see who gets to fuck and who doesn't . And there are plenty of men out there not fucking.
kragshot 6y ago
Well... when you have a society where a large number of young men that are not getting any sex, you are setting yourself up for a major upheaval.
It's coming... watch for it. The election was just another harbinger of what is coming.
Docbear64 6y ago
Fair point but if these men can't even muster up the will to lift I have very little respect or appreciation that they will be the engine of upheaval by themselves. I do think such a group could be tremendously useful idiots though.
A modified version of Lenin's mantra of " Peace , Land , Bread" rephrased as something like " Love, Land , Bread" would be all the promises you need to offer such a group to get them to do your bidding. The near future will be interesting.
Dis_mah_mobile_one 6y ago
Per Heartiste: “The goal of feminism is to maximally liberate female sexuality while maximally restricting male sexuality”.
It’s not insane, it’s malicious.
RedPill115 6y ago
That's a secondary goal.
The primary goal of feminism is to control women. The goal is to push this kind of helplessness and romantic disfunction into women's brains so that they don't date, don't have sex, just work making someone else money and vote as they're told.
KarmaEnthusiast 6y ago
Jeez that really sums it up to a tee huh.
It actually makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. Restrict male access to women in a more and more hypergamous setting, thereby increasing the % of "ideal" genes getting passed through to the next generation. Doesn't really work in practice but the theory makes sense (not that women have thought that far).
Dis_mah_mobile_one 6y ago
Exactly. Toxic feminity = politicized hypergamy = feminism.
And all women have the ability to let the toxic elements of their personality run wild, and are encouraged to do so currently.
nicolauz 6y ago
You mean all those women with only Instagram id's on tinder would never date me?
oZeplikeo 6y ago
The West is so fucking doomed.
Dis_mah_mobile_one 6y ago
Eh, I think the current status quo can’t last, so it won’t.
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Lacklusterbeard 6y ago
I've been struggling with this, can you point me to the proper side bar article that helps with this?
CopperFox3c 6y ago
This is not on the sidebar, it's from a post written on SoSuave back in 2002, but it describes the underlying issue here, and how you need to approach it. You are not trying to "win her over", but entice her desire. To make her "reach" for you. It's a subtle, but critical, difference. She needs to play her role in the game of seduction.
Deep Blue - Cultivate Feelings of Attraction and Desire
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APSTNDPhy 6y ago
Apparently women are stupid as fuck, have no idea about this, are incapable of saying no or leaving, and everything ever is the man's fault.
notmycupofpee 6y ago
notice how most men involved in sexual harassment cases are not generally seen as attractive? they're either old, or balding, or just not blessed with good looking genes. aziz ansari should've known better. he's not in any position to make sexual advances, especially not as a short brown manlet.
midgetpooooo 6y ago
She wasn't violated. She just felt violated. ~ 2018
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Truer words were never spoken.
GunnarX 6y ago
The feelz are all that matter in this day and age. 2018 will be the year of the feelz.
356dc 6y ago
This feelz meme is so fucking moronic. There is no good and evil without feelz. Happiness and suffering are made of feelz. Feelz are the only thing that matter in this life in fact.
Snoopy_Doggy 6y ago
Facts matter. Truth matters.
The idea that a woman can decide six months or six years or six decades that suddenly she "feels" like she was raped, even though she wasn't, is pure Orwellian double-think straight out of "1984". And that's a dystopian hell.
356dc 6y ago
You cannot define rape outside of someone subjective experience. We condemn rape as a society based on what women report it makes them feel. One person's singular perception can't change much, but if enough women get behind this idea they can redefine rape anytime they want. Society's based on conventions and agreed upon values.
midgetpooooo 6y ago
Was there consent of the victim? Yes. Was it unenthusiastic? Yes. Was it still consent? Yup. Were any laws broken? No.
356dc 6y ago
Wasn't talking strictly about the Ansari situation, but generally.
lol no. Also, just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it's not wrong or it's a no beag deal kinda harm. Was the backlash against him and his public shaming illegal? No. Deal with it then.
MGTOWManofMystery 6y ago
"Apparently there is a whole country full of young women who don’t know how to call a cab, and who have spent a lot of time picking out pretty outfits for dates they hoped would be nights to remember. They’re angry and temporarily powerful and last night they destroyed a man who didn’t deserve it."
RedBigMan 6y ago
Naw there's a whole country full of young women who don't know how to pay for a cab... They figure cabs just come because they open their mouth and are ready to stick a dick in it.
goodpillgonebad 6y ago
Nobody wants your oh so called tiny alpha cock that much bth
JcHgvr 6y ago
As someone who grew up in a broke as fuck post communism country I never thought I'll look one day at USA and think.
Wow what a shitty place to live that is.
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bduxbellorum 6y ago
Aziz Ansari clearly made some stupid mistakes.
If a girl doesn’t tell you enthusiastically where to put your dick when asked:
You have fucked up your escalation and timing.
Yeah, it sucks that this is going to be a black mark on his career. But “Your professional life should in no way be tied with your personal life!” Is an obviously stupid statement.
People are going to know if you flub sexual encounters. Shit should flow both ways, but clearly reality now demands more awareness. I’d be happier to men calling out gold diggers, cheaters, and hypocrites exploiting female privilege , but that’s going to take time.
Louis1709 6y ago
Umm have you heard of tagthesponser??
bduxbellorum 6y ago
Good example, would be interesting to see tagthesponsor articles hit the mainstream.
doctorcoolpop 6y ago
she voluntarily gave him a blowjob and then complained about SUBSEQUENT requests
Rilderbeast 6y ago
How'd they get this side of the story?
chemicalprogrammer 6y ago
She wanted a rich celebrity boyfriend, when that didn't pan out she cried rape.
RedPill115 6y ago
She wanted validation.
As the article pointed out her language suggests this wasn't the first time something like this happened to her by a long shot.
She's likely sexually a bit broken inside. She couldn't get the sexual feelings she wanted. Her brain doesn't respond to the "well I slept with someone famous so I'm cool" that a lot of girls get. He wasn't going to make her his girlfriend.
There was 1 avenue left for her to get validation - by doing what she did. She reaffirms that she's attractive enough to entice a famous guy she perceives as romantically important, and she gets to tell her whole friend group about it without sounding like a slut (well...sorta).
She's a bit sexually broken, doesn't know how to feel the feelings she wants to feel, so this was the closest she could get to sexual validation - a famous celebrity wanted her, and all her friends pay attention to her because of her story of "assualt" or whatever.
chemicalprogrammer 6y ago
The only thing that gets a woman more validation than sleeping with a celebrity is being assaulted by a celebrity.
Spacecop94 6y ago
The whole situation is hilarious and infuriating. Bad sex is not a justifying excuse for character assassination. I feel so bad for this dude. In my eyes he didnt do anything that deserves any more slander than maybe talking shit about him with your girlfriends. Jesus Christ putting his entire career in jeopardy for this is too far. It's the same as the Louis CK situation.
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
Don't forget to lay some blame on main stream and social media who have no problem participating in the witch hunt by printing unsubstantiated allegations. Rolling Stone Campus Rape story that was totally bogus is another example.
Work_In_Progress92 6y ago
If you ever needed more proof that the feminist movement is a movement of hate...
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GunnarX 6y ago
There’s no need for that kind of talk. Yes - he’s a loser male feminist, but making it personal like that isn’t going to help our side.
WholesomeAwesome 6y ago
I respectfully disagree. Respectfully since you cite a respectable motivation.
ApexBiped 6y ago
So the skank lets him do oral on her then acts like a victim when he wants something too, typical. This "woman" needs exposed and drug thru the streets like the TRASH she is. I myself am so tired of this crap already, yes we know men are pigs, but ya know what..so are women! So get the fuck over it. Quit trying to destroy people with your bullshit claims and if you guys TRULY want equality, buy a fucking meal, open your own door, defend yourselves! Equality is when all partied are equal and how is THAT suppose to play out when one side wants equality but on THEIR terms, ya not right. Get this whore outa here and prosecute every fake sexual abuse/rape accuser to the fullest extent of the law. We all want equality (I am a gay man) but you don't get it by being selfish liars! Poor Aziz, we feel for you man! Also, pro-tip...if your so worried about sexual assault, do not elect a predator to the presidency, ya females we are looking at you. There were so many female voters who voted for ..That. How are men supposed to understand this crap, you are only pushing men to band together against this feminazi shit and females will not be happy with the result. But keep doing what you guys are doing, let's see how lies and intimidated get you what you want..it won't.
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Johndoesmith67 6y ago
Article calls him Muslim which he's not. This isn't going to ruin Aziz. Shes just as in the wrong. Also, if you are a man on the rise and have the means to fuck overseas prostitutes ABSOLUTELY do so at this point.
Andgelyo 6y ago
The problem is I would never fuck a prostitute. Never in a million years, because I can always get pussy for free(given that I work on it), so why pay? Tinder seems like a viable option, or having evidence where she agrees to sex (pictures, videos, texting), but even then I find myself paranoid. It is terrible thing to be a man in today’s age.
Johndoesmith67 6y ago
I'm not talking about me and you. I mean your Aziz Ansari caliber comedians. Your actors, CEO's, guys who have alot to lose.
meaningintragedy 6y ago
Working on it takes time. Busy people who's time is worth the money would just pay.
Example: you can fix your car yourself, but it'll take a long time so you just pay a professional to do it.
I don't understand how some people have a hard time grasping this time/money ratio concept.
Andgelyo 6y ago
Have you ever heard of this application called “Tinder”? I’ve literally met a girl on a first date, spent 7 bucks on a beer, and then 15 minutes later was getting my dick sucked by her(her place was near the bar). That was my first tinder meet up. Times are changing.
meaningintragedy 6y ago
Good for you.
Depending on where you live, the Tinder train has already passed. In a big city such as Paris, you'd be happy to have 2 matches a week and fuck a woman once every 6 months. I personally fucked around 8 girls from Tinder over a year.
I once put pics of a friend of mine who's ripped as fuck and managed to get 2 matches a day. That's still nothing when you count those who won't speak, won't set a date, will flake, won't fuck, etc.
Andgelyo 6y ago
Then I guess you understand how easy it is to fuck a girl on those kinds of applications then. I would take a fresh college aged pussy who actually finds me attractive and wants to fuck me (for free)rather than spent my money on an escort. All it takes is smooth talking, and most cases, you’ll get nudes, and a solid bang if your game is tight. Plus, the thrill of the hunt is what I live for. #realbitchesoverhookers
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Who would blow an indian guy? A girl who has a horrible gag reflex?
Phixer7 6y ago
He's a Beta male who got some fame and now feels he can demand sex for taking a woman out, he believes his fame is seduction enough, he's learning the hard way, that it isn't.
Why was this creepy little manlet shoving his grubby fingers down her throat. Has he seen too much porn and now trying to make reenact it.
TimPartendale 6y ago
“He believes his fame and seduction is enough,”...
“He can demand sex for taking a woman out...
Did you even read the story?
Nowhere does it say he “demanded sex.” This chick went back to his apartment after a date. He performed oral sex on her and she reciprocated twice.
Clearly, SHE wanted to bang a known celebrity and when things didn’t go her way, she wrote a smear piece on him. If you believe he gave two shits about “Grace,” you’re wrong.
Since you didn’t read the story, here’s the summary at the end:
“Apparently there is a whole country full of young women who don’t know how to call a cab, and who have spent a lot of time picking out pretty outfits for dates they hoped would be nights to remember. They’re angry and temporarily powerful, and last night they destroyed a man who didn’t deserve it.”
Phixer7 6y ago
Going back to someone place isn't consent to get boned.
Clearly you don't know what she wanted.
She let him go down on her and she blew him unwillingly, in this day with all these crazy bitches , that's still not a definitive yes for penetration.
She probably wanted a relationshit and he just wanted to get his dick wet, I'm pretty sure she believed giving him a taste would be enough to get him coming back They both parted way unfulfilled and she wrote a hit piece after she got ghosted.
He's learning the hard way that even his fame is not enough to overcome his manlet beta ways. He isn't a Clooney, The Rock or DiCaprio to pump and dump. Those days are long gone for celebrities especially for one of his status.
TimPartendale 6y ago
Right, going back to his apartment is not consent for sex. And you know what happened? There was no sex.
He called a cab for her and she left.
This is a total non-story, but this chick tries to use him for her 15 minutes of fame and claim that mischievous, horrible things occurred.
Phixer7 6y ago
Yeah , she didn't give in to his obnoxious creepy persistence to get penetrated.
Maybe she does want her 15 min of fame .
But he's also using his 15 min to try and weasel his way into as many pussies as possible , but he's learning the hard way his SMV isn't that high, even with his fame.
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TimPartendale 6y ago
How do you know he’s “obsessing over white pussy?” You sound mentally unstable and insecure. Scared the brown people are stealing your women? Cuck.
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pookie513 6y ago
http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/10/app-creates-legally-binding-contracts-one-night-stands-prove-sex-consensual-7220206/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
RestlessInVegas 6y ago
I like the idea and kudos to the creator if they can monetize it. However, these chicks will just start saying that they were coerced into consenting. Plus, it says that consent can be withdrawn at the touch of a button. That's rather troubling and the potential for abuse renders the point of the app moot. There should be a way for one or both parties to indicate that the sexual encounter has concluded and lock the contract, such as it is, into place and make it uneditable from that point. No bullshit retroactive withdrawal of consent.
pookie513 6y ago
I find it's existence reflective of the times we live in.
And the fact consent can be withdrawn furthers the "buyers remorse" response. Completely defeats the purpose of the app. Who the fuck thought that function was a good idea?
Wade856 6y ago
Just take a video of her giving consent and upload it to the cloud right away. Also, save it to the memory card and the phone memory, as well as emailing it to yourself. Have as many copies as necessary. No app needed.
RestlessInVegas 6y ago
Only problem is that no matter how enthusiastically she may give consent in your hypothetical video, she can always claims that she was coerced into doing so. She can likewise claim that she withdrew consent after the video was recorded. As some have mentioned, women are children. You can't apply common sense and rational thought to the behavior of children. The legal system (and court of public opinion) is heavily skewed in their favor so trying to protect yourself within the rules of that same system is a tenuous proposition. When all is said and done, I think the best defense is to adhere to TRP philosophies as closely as possible.
Wade856 6y ago
I agree with your point, but some form of defense is way better than nothing. Hard for a judge, jury or even the court of public opinion to not find any reasonable doubt in her claims if there is an account of her lucidly giving consent right before it happens.
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
Not sure how effective the contract would be? Prenups can be thrown out if the woman says she was coerced into signing it or wasn't given enough time to review it with her lawyer. Better then nothing I guess but hardly fool proof protection based on how the courts act to support women at the expense of men.
RestlessInVegas 6y ago
Agreed. Far from foolproof, but better than nothing. Is that the best that Western men can hope for nowadays?
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
Men can improve their position by taking over responsibility for birth control and never leaving that task up to the woman. The proliferation of single mothers will quickly subside if men have the ability to control when and with whom they have children with. Vasalgel anyone?
RestlessInVegas 6y ago
I've been tracking the progress of Vasalgel for some time now. It's promising, but moving at a glacial pace. I understand the reasons why though. If it comes to market it'll be a shift in the paradigm. I'm still convinced that politicians or regulators will find a way to sabotage it in the US. They don't want men to have control over their own reproductive rights.
Rimefang 6y ago
I can see why the female would feel humiliated. After all, she reported this ANONYMOUSLY, and Anzari isn't exactly Chad. What I don't get is that feminism teaches you to stand up for yourself, and yet, these women would rather act like we're supposed to be goddamn mind readers before they ever own up to a mistake for fear of being ridiculed by other women.
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
It is amazing how many women will deflect responsibility and say that it's up to men to change without women having to do anything. If it is brought up that it may not be wise to go to the man's apartment on the 1st date until you get to know him better, they will argue that men should not be rapists and need to change their ways. If I take a midnight walk through Central Park NYC and get mugged, people would question my sanity and ask me what was I thinking not taking proper precautions. Many women seem to argue that it is their God given right to walk anywhere at anytime and that men should ensure that they are allowed to do so.
chiragglad 6y ago
Lpt: Always keep your phone’s voice recording on when on a date.
moontripper1246 6y ago
That's not sexual assault, that's just a date. WTF.
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darksyndicate17 6y ago
When I first joined this community I honestly thought everyone here was paranoid "Make her sign a contract" "be careful she could cry rape" etc. But after the waves of "metoo" across social media, I'm convinced there is a sophisticated underling feminist agenda at play.
Wolveryn 6y ago
Is there a guide for escaping the west permanently?
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VoidInvincible 6y ago
This makes me understand why treating like women is so stressed on this sub.
You have to in this day and age.
Makes me reconsider my dream to be a Hollywood actor.
TheOneWhoDidntCum 6y ago
Why is her face Blurred? Is she under the age of 18? No don't think so.
CaptZ 6y ago
Regret should be dealt with by yourself. Don't drag others into your regret and blame them for your mistakes. Take personal responsibility. It's a dying thing sadly.
dagenought 6y ago
Sounds more like she went into this night with an agenda
asiangirlsandfascism 6y ago
I get torn on stuff like this because on the one hand I fucking love the salty tears of Hollywood elites that spend their off time judging and reprimanding anyone who doesn't drink the Kool Aid but on the other hand alot of guys who didn't do a whole lot wrong are now probably ruined forever.
RedPill115 6y ago
Aziz Ansari Explains Why We Should All Be Feminists
http://www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/news/a15009/aziz-ansari-feminism-interview/
redpillschool Admin 6y ago
It's gotta get worse before it gets better.
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asiangirlsandfascism 6y ago
Yeah the pendulum always swings back but how much further can we go from being able to ruin people's lives based on someone's word? It's hard to have hope since the Me Too Moment is turning out to be more than just a moment.
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The pendulum doesn't always swing back. This is just something that people convince themselves of because they like to view the world in a certain orderly way. The pendulum could swing back or it could swing further into insanity, or there could be a temporary halt or small pushback before it begins again anew in 5 years. I see nothing in this particular case to indicate that any large scale swing-back is imminent.
Vanguarde2020 6y ago
Women are out to simply destroy men at this point. Sadly, unlike years ago we can’t simply throw them to the ground as in caveman times to let them know without a shadow of a doubt who the fuck is in charge.
We have to use our brains now to outsmart women and mentally throw them to the ground and win. Not just win, but humiliate and DESTROY them in the process.
They are doing no less to us. It’s war.
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MarinTaranu 6y ago
It's not that women are smarter, it's that some men like to play the part of the white knights.
CaciqueBoss 6y ago
Its kinda suprising how the left devoits itself.
mracidglee 6y ago
I don't know PUA that well, but isn't buying her dinner a huge fail from the get-go?
APSTNDPhy 6y ago
It's about how and why you do something not necessarily what you do.
mracidglee 6y ago
Hmm. Thanks. So where do you think he went wrong? Not reading signals when he started to get physical?
APSTNDPhy 6y ago
I think the whole article is bullshit and he probably just essentially did a pump a dump and she got mad. This is a women who chatted up az while on a date with another man. Total scum.
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Andgelyo 6y ago
I’m so fucking scared to fuck bitches now, even on Tinder. Being a real man nowadays is a crime in today’s age of feminism and demonization of men. What can we do to fight back?
sqerl 6y ago
No, pretending to be a real man is a crime against the female imperative. If they give it up, and you're a beta in disguise, their constant shit tests will out you as a fraud. Then your entire relationship will be redfined as regret-rape.
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mendokusai99 6y ago
The little Indian guy probably overpowered her. They’re known to be real predators... But seriously, lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas.
EDIT : Sorry, forgot the /sarcasm tag. Lighten up.
ExposeTheFAUX 6y ago
Are you guys headed for civil war? Semi-serious
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Hjalmbere 6y ago
I'd feel sorry for the guy if he didn't call himself a feminist. Now I'm inclined to think he got his just desserts.
KeithRSRedPill 6y ago
If this doesn't make him red pill aware, nothing will. Even after the allegation, he continues to show his support for the movement instead of having any concern for the falsely accused, which he claims to be by saying it was consensual.
Hjalmbere 6y ago
To use a historical analogy: Trotsky continued to support the ideology of Communism long after Stalin had forced him into exile. These guys are extremists. Just as you shouldn’t feel pity for guys like Trotsky, you shouldn’t feel sorry for this douchebag.
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DARPA-NATOR 6y ago
Three dirty bindis are upset that a native doesn't want to celebrate Aziz getting white pussy. Poo in the loo you shitty handed muppets.
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WTHub 6y ago
After reading this situation with Aziz, I wonder if there will be a increased surge in Red Pillers?
beastmodeking 6y ago
mgtow will have the surge not redpill
Rick_Eli 6y ago
Hide yo wife, hide yo kids, and hide your husband's too cause Hollywood raping er body out here.
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If only he were funny I'd actually care. Instead I just want to punch this guy when watching him, i hate his sense of humor so whatever one less shit comic I have to occasionally see.
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killxorxbexkilled 6y ago
If this guy wasn't a fucktard liberal asshole I might give a shit. I don't mind watching the snake eat its tail.
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