Once on a first date I was on my couch watching a movie with a girl and as I escalated with touching her she actually said to me "Listen, I'm not that kind of girl anymore. I used to be a real slut, but now I make guys wait at least a few months for sex."
Wow. Sooo... the worst of both worlds huh? Awesome.
Ex gf said the same thing to me essentially. She said "I used to be a slut. I think we should wait a day or two before having sex. I don't want to see you as a dick with an awesome personality but an awesome personality with a dick." For some reason in her mind she thought that since she had a lot of miscellaneous sex in college she couldn't properly "bond" with a dude that she wants to lock down if they fuck quickly. Because they were never able to lock down the attractive guys they slept with college, so they think it has a correlation with how easy they gave out sex.
The cognitive hoola hoops are real. And guess what? We didn't wait days. Maybe she should have said two hours because that is how long it took before we were in the bedroom.
Lol seen the same. It was a 29yr old recently divorced bitch. Said precisely the same thing but using euphemisms.
Mind you that she complained about her ex husband and shit but then slipped without thinkning that she was whoring a lot and she's no longer like that. BTW it's amazing how much truth they slip if you're a good listener and can read between lines.
I was more of a nice guy at the time so I just said "Oh I see" or something, but in my head I was immediately thinking "Next!" I think I waited about 10 minutes and then made up some bullshit reason why we had to cut the evening short then started texting some other girls to see if any were down to "hang out."
It doesn't matter if you're red or blue pill I can't see how ANY dude would be cool with a chick saying that to them. But I know they must exist and it hurts my head to think of their rational for buying into it. I mean sure they can lie to themselves but deep down they have to know it's really fucked up.
Yeah this chick seriously lacked some social savvy to put it so bluntly...
It's easier for blue pill guys to swallow if they phrase it like "I was young and immature and just wanted to have fun, but now I'm interested in something more serious and substantial." If they just come right out and say "I was a whore but I've decided to reform and now I'm a prude," that's hard for any dude to swallow.
This is why I target girls in their early 20's as plates. Once they get close to 30 they start to worry about men thinking they are sluts and you end up with the worst of both worlds, at least if she is just a slut you get it in.
It is like standing in line for of an empty club but having to wait an hour to get in, fuck that.
I had an ex who wore miniskirts, fishnets, total freak etc.
I met this chick's mom and she was still pretty good looking for her age - but single, unbearably neurotic and piously religious. I always wondered what happened there, but in retrospect I guess stuff like that is the secret fate of all slutty chicks.
Yeah that's the thing... after that I didn't even care to try to push through it. She's just told me I'm going to have to work harder than I expected to for something less valuable than I expected. With that info, she wasn't hot enough for me to bother anymore.
Every guy will handle this differently and there are many good ways to go about it. Personally, I wouldn't get upset and hard next her. I'd pull her close, give her a passionate kiss and while I ran my hand down her face, neck, and shoulder, I'd shame her: "That's too bad. I'm really not into the good girls." I'd finish my statement right as my hand touched her breast and I'd give it a solid squeeze.
Then I'd either fuck her or show her out, depending on her reaction.
I was more of a nice guy at the time so I just said "Oh I see" or something, but in my head I was immediately thinking "Next!" I think I waited about 10 minutes and then made up some bullshit reason why we had to cut the evening short then started texting some other girls to see if any were down to "hang out."
If she tells you two months there is a very good chance its actually two hours. That statement has no relation with reality. Its powertalk. What it means is "trust me I am a good serious girl now, you should invest in me and reward me with commitment before we fuck."
The correct response is to chuckle and keep escalating. Taking it seriously shows you dont understand powertalk and are undatable.
I would agree with you, but I have found that most girls keep these kinds of statements pretty vague and general, and the rare ones who are more blunt and specific are much harder to deal with.
The girl who says "I'm not looking for a ONS" is easier to fuck the first night than the girl who says "I have never had a ONS and I never will." The girl who says "I don't want to jump into sex right away" will fuck sooner than the girl who says "I don't have sex with a guy until we've been dating for at least two months."
I've found the more explicit and specific they are about supposed hard & fast rules and waiting periods and whatnot, the harder you have to work to deal with them. Which is a turn off.
This is why you DON'T discount a girl who fucks you in the first couple of dates. Gentlemen there are NO unicorns. They're all sluts whether de facto or in waiting. You stick with a hotel who makes you wait, you are only confirming your betatude.
There's nothing wrong with being ONE OF the cocks on the carousel.
That's the most succinct and accurate way to say it. All the negatives of a broken whore who can't pair bond properly, is jaded, bitter, and messed up in the head after years of failed attempts at getting her perfect guy, plus all the negatives of a prude who makes you jump through all sorts of hoops to get even a taste of vanilla sex, and only after making you wait it out for months.
No fucking thanks. Hard next.
It's like a car dealership giving out 2015 models to everyone else but you..for free. And then making you pay top dollar for a busted up 1998 model with 210,000 miles on it.
Sorry, they were models in 1998. They still have the taste for cocaine, Dom Perrignon, and five star restaurants. They just weigh twice as much, and put out one tenth as often.
All the negatives of a broken whore who can't pair bond properly, is jaded, bitter, and messed up in the head after years of failed attempts at getting her perfect guy
they don't even realize how damaged they are or they would know not to tell a man that she is was a slut. an undamaged girl knows that being a slut is shameful & would never admit to it.
Things like that hit me in the gut when I started the red pill. I don't think I'm nearly there yet, but these sorts of statements are starting to be less surprising...it just amazes me how putting something in simple, frank terms like that can suddenly make a woman's actions make sense.
"He wants her to want him, he wants her to desire sex with him with the same verve and enthusiasm she did with other men in her videos."
Hopefully by now everyone realizes that the only PROOF you can have that a woman looks up to you is that she aggressively CHARMS you. (admiration, respect)
The Beta charms the woman... since that's backwards based on natures hardcoded internal signals the Beta does not trigger Tingles.
You correct this by placing yourself at the top of the hierarchy. You don't necessarily need to be top Alpha... but just don't ever signal as Beta by being charming to a woman.
Men love women, women charm men.
If men charm women, women go dry.
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Just erase Disney because his "Prince Charming" films were secretly an attack on the Bavarian Monarchy... "make the King a faggot" was a big joke back then.
From the linked Rollo Tomassi article titled "The Desire Dynamic"....
"Whether LTR or a one night stand (ONS) strive for genuine desire in your relationships. Half of the battle is knowing you want to be with a woman who wants to please you, not one who feels obligated to. You will never draw this genuine desire from her by overt means, but you can covertly lead her to this genuine desire. The trick in provoking real desire is in keeping her ignorant of your intent to provoke it. Real desire is created by her thinking it’s something she wants, not something she has to do."
Real desire is created by her thinking it’s something she wants, not something she has to do.
How exactly does one achieve this level of mastery? In other words, how can you covertly lead her to desire you?
There's a thread on r/deadbedrooms right now that is the same story. Unless it's also a troll. Which one of you guys posted this?
This didn't click with me at all. My fiance? Threesome? Toys? No way. She barely moves during sex and most certainly does not give me blow jobs or even hand jobs nowadays. She told me she finds blow jobs degrading and one time I suggested buying her a sex toy she told me only sad women use those. Who is this guy talking about that can "suck dick like a champ" and all this sort of thing. Yes, I remember the words he used.
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Yet anytime I bring up how I feel, she tells me I'm being horrible and that I don't get to treat her like that. I've tried to convince myself that this is just how it is, that she's grown out of that lifestyle and that she's my best companion.
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I just don't think I can marry this girl in this way. If I am cruel about it, it looks like I am marrying a slut who wants my paycheck. I pay for everything as despite being successful in her industry, she doesn't make enough to sustain her lifestyle or her BMW.
If only she could bear fucking me. Am I being unreasonable here? I'm not a completely ugly mofo, I don't have weird growths coming out of my face. And the fact that a girl even wanted to give me her number, I don't know, confirms that?
Upon re-reading it seems like a troll or some MRA-type fantasy. Nevertheless, the surgical evisceration of the post by Rollo is worth the read and exposed essence is relevant.
This entire story is why it is important to tell our young men that before they choose a life partner, be it marriage or whatever, they should have a bucket list of sexual experiences they want to fulfill. If they aren't able to obtain these with willing young women as they go through life, then strongly consider traveling to areas where prostitution or brothels are legal and pay for it. It also will help check off travel bucket list items. Some will say "It isn't the same." I get their point, but look at it like this, many young college women are getting paid by college men for sex. Instead of direct cash payments, it is usually in alcohol, drugs, attention, and/or invitations to parties/mixers/formals.
Obligation sex to hold onto her beta bucks would just make her more resentful. I think she'd start acting up again as soon as she thought she had him on the hook again.
Sounds like a good idea at first, but unless this guy fundamentally transforms, this girl isn't going to genuinely want to get freaky with him. Also pressuring her into sex she genuinely doesn't want is going to give her all kinds of, "he emotionally raped me," fuel to spread around once the relationship finally goes south.
Only as long as it took her to get a branch swing in place and figure out who is the best divorce rape lawyer. Doesn't matter, the relationship is doomed.
Am I the only one who thinks the husband is being a little bitch about this? Hear me out. He rightfully feels betrayed because she lied about her sexual past (number of partners) but his anger over her refusal to commit the same acts she did in college is baffling. We are not aware of how old the couple is and how long after college they started dating. She could have changed. She didn't want to repeat what she did in her past because she considers herself to be "dirty" for doing them. That is why she lied (wrongfully so). The husband is being irrational by believing that "she doesn't want to do those things with him", no, she just doesn't want those things, period. I probably would've acted in the same manner the husband did, but I would hope someone rational will speak to me about how idiotic I'm being, which as far as I can see, Noone in this sub or the article's comments is doing. Now, If he finds out she's been cheating on him and committing those same college acts, then the husband is just in his feelings, but if she's only been with him since they began dating and has never done "anal" and the like to anyone since then, he should rethink his decision.
Didn't happen to me, but I was the guy who got her to loosen up sexually. If you can find a woman who is relatively inexperienced and build a solid relationship with her, you can usually mold them to your tastes.
Get a chick who was a whore, and you're kind of getting a wild card. She could stay the same, she could change, she could get bored of you quick... who knows?
In my case i had a LTR that suddenly stopped the sex train. She was very active and BAM! Drought. I tried to salvage the relationship while blaming myself and all the blue beta crap instead of walking away. At my highest point of unconformity (and i still wanted to save MY relationship) she even proposed marriage to me. Things where kind of bleak and she wanted to marry me.
I said fuck no.
In hindsight that was a defining moment for me. A bank robbery alarm woudnt ring louder in my ears at that moment.
It may be less extreme most of the time, but this general paradigm is the standard nowadays. Most guys with long-term girlfriends or wives probably did not have sex with them on the first date, for instance, and yet a huge percentage of those girlfriends and wives probably did have sex with some other earlier guy on the "first date" (which may have been the only "date").
It will be common that she gave more of herself sexually to some other guy before you, as measured by metrics such as time (she made him wait less time than you) or degree (she did certain sex acts with him she won't do with you) or enthusiasm (she was eager with him but half-hearted with you), etc.
Guys are told to accept this and put it out of their minds. But at TRP we do not accept that a girl is even minimally worthy of our commitment unless she has given us more of herself sexually than any other guy before.
And the funny thing is that we get derided for it.
"You are the boyfriend. You won!" is the common defense.
If she is not willing to give it her all and her best in all categories like I would be in a relationship than it's not worthy of my time. Also, most girls in the early 20s age range go on "dates" frequently. They don't consider these one night stands or anything of that sort. They were just "dating around".
I have no problem with a girl "dating around". It's not my life and I respect your decision to do what you want. But don't get all mad and irritated when I say I would never consider legitimately dating a girl like that.
If they aren't enthusiastic and eager, I find one who is. Every hole is my playground, if not then she can try someone else. Not every girl gets to ride this ride.
Damn. I found myself in an LTR after being here for a couple of years and this was one of the first things I had to tell her. Didn't go over well, but oh well.
Yeah, I learned this about my wife - not nearly to the extent of the original post, but it's NEVER going to leave my mind. My wife had threesomes, anal, D/s relationships and things like that in relationships prior to me, but not with me. I have let it eat me up terribly inside (and it still does to this day). We dated for a long time before having sex, etc. etc. and I feel like it permanently damaged our relationship in ways that I'm still trying to push through now.
I feel that my understanding and attempts to just "accept" it have simply led to me having a far less sexually fulfilling relationship than may have happened otherwise, and although things have improved slightly over the course of our relationship, I am constantly stuck with the nagging realization that there's the potential for that in her, but I can't bring it out. I'm not sure I'll ever fully get over it - any time I find myself dissatisfied with our vanilla sex life, I think back at that and it just gets me even more annoyed.
I can't really force it out of her, but I'm not sure I can ever be truly fulfilled just knowing that she did things with others that she won't with me.
Dude you seem intelligent, yet you are in a relationship that eats at you everyday. That's not an intelligent decision. Your own personal happiness matters most. Its selfish and yet not at the same time because the happier you are the more of a positive effect on others you will have.
I would suggest either leaving or putting yourself first which may in turn improve your relationship. If you add kids to the equation then my suggestion obviously becomes more complex, but nonetheless compelling.
My wife isn't terrible - I see a lot of people making observations or descriptions of their wife as if they are these awful, controlling harpies and they've been beta-fied by their dominant wife. My relationship absolutely isn't like that - I definitely see the potential to get to where I want to be - and it's largely my fault for not being there.
I'd say our relationship was fairly red pill in most ways (money, decision making, general dynamics - we had the captain/first officer thing going on quite well) and the only front where it wasn't was the sexual front. Red Pill somewhat enlightened me to that and now I'm making a serious push for what I want, and am making significant progress in the direction I want to go in. To be honest, I feel like my wife wants to be led/pushed, and I simply hadn't been doing a good job of it. As such, I feel that the state it's in has been my fault more than it has been hers. But while it's a bitter pill to swallow, it's also easier. If it's my fault, that means I can do something about it.
I've become tremendously happier on multiple fronts since I started reading and internalizing TRP. Realistically for me, TRP simply said to me "You know that way you feel but you keep it squashed down because society tells you it's bad? It's not, so just let it free," - and it's been paying off in spades. Hopefully it continues.
This kind of shit happens all the time. When your pill kicks in properly you get to see it all from the other side.
Married women, women who just got engaged, women complaining their bf is boring while taking your cock up their ass, "good girls" who have no problem fucking you in the bathroom after talking to you for 15 whole minutes. The list goes on.
Committing to a woman would require some hard core mental gymnastics after you've seen their true nature.
This is a startling revelation for me. Recently, a few girls have complained to me about their boyfriends, and I took it as them attempting to gain me as an orbiter (e.g. "listen to my problems for free!"). You telling me this is some sort of mating call?!
Not necessarily, there are alpha and beta versions of this. Above they're talking about the alpha version which I have experienced and I agree with. Meaning if she's at the bar talking with you, hammering cocktails, touching you on the arm, talking about sexual topics and complaining about her BF ("he's so boring"), it's on.
But if she's saying what an asshole her BF is while you hold her purse while she tries on shoes at the mall, then no, you are still an orbiter.
"He wants her sexual best, but her 7 years of unwillingness to give him that while enjoying the benefits of his provisioning, his patience, love and perseverance only puts her strategy, the Hypergamic strategy, into perfect focus. Her genuine desire, her sexual best was never intended for him in the first place."
I liked the end how he really slams home how she's been betraying him from the start.
They are fun though. Not going to keep those girls, but honestly I'm not keeping any of them for anything more than a series of holes to fuck. They seem to like it that way.
If she told him she was in a gangbang with 5 dudes and another chick he would have passed long before he got attached. The fact he is attached is why he is hamstering that he would have been ok with it if she told him.
Or maybe he's a Machiavellian bastard and is lying to the pussy cartel? Probably not but who knows.
Why not? If she's super chill now, and is enthusiastically meeting all of your sexual needs, then why does it matter what she may have done in the past?
More specifically, why is sex with multiple partners undesirable? I think the starting assumption should be that overall partner count is what matters (and precisely how she obtained her partner count is unimportant), but I can think of plenty of rational arguments that challenge that assumption. Sex with multiple partners seems more likely to be high-risk behavior, there's probably a high correlation between sex with multiple partners and overall partner count (i.e. women who have had threesomes most likely have a huge partner count, which is bad), most women who've had sex with multiple partners are likely to be less than forthcoming with that information (and by implication, other personal information), etc.
In short, yes, people can change their ways, but the odds are against it.
Interesting, I just discovered redditlog is defunct.
For those who are interested, I looked up the Redditlog page of the thread that Rollo was referring to in his article and ran it through archive.today:
It's all too common. A lot of women, once they hit their late-20's start becoming prudish because they correlate their own sluttiness with why they can't get a stable and long term relationship.
Dear Women: It ain't your vagina, it's your personality.
A very minor observation, but after reading this for the third time or so, I'm willing to put $20 on the fact that the "health problems" the husband alludes to his wife having is some sort of depression -- fuelled by the phoney persona she has to maintain everyday living with a beta bucks she isn't attracted to.
Apparently some of that could be for menopause issues. My mom is definitely not depressed but the doc put her on Paxil for hot flashes because she couldn't sleep.
"Every woman is a whore, except my mother. But let us not forget that she is a woman, too." - Napoleon Bonaparte.
"Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks." - Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Tyga
Problem is, a lot of men don't treat the sexual marketplace like the swap meet it really is. We aren't going into a dealership to buy a shiny, brand new model, fresh off the assembly line with no wear and tear and a multi-year warranty. We're all buying used goods, haggling for high mileage merchandise that's been ridden, kicked to the curb and passed on to multiple owners. And there's definitely no warranty ... buy at your own risk.
Honey, I used to run errands, give back rubs , and offer commitment way too soon; but that's not me now. Please don't judge me for my past; it was a dark period of my youth, I'm not proud.
I'm not that type of man anymore; I have respect for myself and force myself not to be exclusive with anyone until I really get to know them, you know, after 18 months or longer. I hope you respect my efforts in becoming a better person.
If I couldn't have the kitten, then I sure-as-all-fuck don't want the cat.
People look at me like I'm unreasonable and crazy when I say I don't even consider women older than 23 for an LTR. Fuck 'em. Get them young and early and mold them. Only then can you create the adoration and respect needed for any kind of successful long-term arrangement with a woman.
yep im lucky to be around 17-18 year old girls most of the time. Older chicks are just more I dont know they want you to lick their asshole and pussy because they had a guy do it once to them when they were in their 20s. They want to take you to the bathroom then go flirt with another guy in your face, they like to talk about what their last man drove. Bitch get the fuck out of my dick I just came and now I want distance from you.
An 18 year old girl feels more sincere, oh ive been dating my boyfriend for 4 years. She hasnt gone crazy in hypergamy in fact she hasnt even realized that side of her nature. You get her then when she wants to try something new and give her what shes never had she is yours not the whole world as a girl who has sat in the carousel acts. She still believes in love not in wanting to jump from lap and lap looking for something better because that guy didnt give her an orgasm with his penis but he did that thing with his tongue, or the one who would eat her out for hours but couldnt get it up, or the one who was a sex god but he fucked her too hard, or the one who was gentler and passionate and shed cum buckets with him.
Shes fucked so many guys and made too many poor life decisions that the idea of a LTR with this woman is a very bad one. A 'ruined' opportunity.
I also think at times these girls realize that theyve made very poor decisions early on BUT because theyre big girls now and graduated college, theyve changed and none of that matters... yeah right.
Hedonism and sexual freedom. Congratulations to you your parents and your grand parents into fucking up what the conception of freedom is and part of what keeps a society in order.
Abolish morals in an exchange of instant gratification for the 20% that get the 80%? And now you reap what those generations have sowed.
Blame all you want but the onus stands on our own generations. Despite the (generally passive) congregations like TRP i dont see anyone actually taking any course of action.
I blame the boomers (my parents generation) and X who are my peers. Holy fuck they have inadvertently created a massive number of entitled, self absorbed, instant gratification wanting kids. My peers are bad, but holy shit the next generation doesn't even realize there are consequences for actions and they want everything right fucking now.
I know a few kids who aren't fucked up, not many are girls.
No I'm not a get off my lawn type, I am fully aware that this sentiment is millenia old.
You're not wrong in the least. The issue is with the helicopter parents that protected their kids from everything. The kids were never allowed to fail so they have no idea how to handle themselves in the face of adversity. More importantly they don't realize there are consequences to their actions. The crazy part is that parents can now have their children placed in child protective services for letting them walk to the park alone. When are kids supposed to grow up?
Exactly. I don't see it as the kids fault, but the fucked up parents. The kids will have more costly mistakes, but mom and dad will fix all but the biggest ones. They never will learn.
I will tell you a story about my Cousin who is 3 years older than me. When he was 18, he knocked up an 18 year old chick. This chick already had a kid, so he did what he thought was best and wifed her up. Within a year, she cheated on him and they divorced. At age 20 he married a 19 year old who already had a kid, after knocking her up too.
So here he was at 21, 2 kids, 2 step kids, married twice. He was then and still is now BB, locked in to providing for at least 3 but often 4 children before he was even 21. This blew my mind when I was 18 and he was 21. It should have shown me AWALT right then and there but I was still too plugged in.
A lot of women are beyond hope by 21 but I really think it depends and yes there is still some premium pussy out there.
I was out in the country a couple of months ago and was within an inch of picking up this "almost" 18 year old. She seemed pretty cool and not slutty, good family minded chick. Sadly my inner villain failed and I backed off when I found out she wasn't 18 yet (still would have been legal).
The women here in Chicago are pretty educated, the problem is they are also primarily narcissistic "career women" who know about as much about cooking as they do acting feminine.
It is a trade off; the one positive thing my cousin has going for him is his chick cooks and cleans for him and acts somewhat like a wife. I am sure they don't bang much because I know he doesn't use rubbers and she'd have another bun in the oven by now if they were seriously bangin'.
Divorce rates are much lower between college educated partners that get married when they are over 25. Kind of conflicts with thethe college CC narrative. I could dig up the stats. Although lack of divorce doesn't necessarily say anything about the quality of the marriage
Same issue with me just met a 17 year old who it would be legal (in fact my 21 year old cousin married a 17 year old) but I really don't want to ruin her as I am looking for just fun at the moment. i talked to her for a bit and I see in her someone naive but who has her life planned. I like that a lot but again I don't know much about her past or present as she seems to be introverted. What I did notice is how she tends to float around me. The reason I even approached her was I was smoking and she was in the other side of the smoking area I paced away and when I turned back I noticed she was around where I was so I started chatting her up a bit. She has the cutest little lisp.
Call be a sap but I do believe in "Campground Rules" when your messing around with someone more than 10 years your Junior. I will be 29 next Month , starting to get that whole "I got Daddy Issues" mode of attraction from younger women.
Lol I was talking to my younger cousin last night. Hes about 20 and he says the majority of girls his age had had up to 10 partners by the time they were 16.
The part I love is when they're around 25, they bitch about slutty teens "OMG in my day".
Meanwhile I'm snapshotting and querying my friends regarding if she's the same girl that use to get gangbanged IN MIDDLE SCHOOL. That shit is infuriating at times.
Its probably very specific to the geographical location but the lesson is that girls are only getting alot more sluttier alot younger. Wouldnt surprise me if by 18 they are completely desensitized to sex. Good luck to the poor bastard that LTRs a 'young innocent' girl from that generation.
I was at a river swimming area once. Saw a girl with a white bikini on that was see through, with nipples clearly visible, and something like 'juicy' written on her ass. Could not have possibly been more than 16 years old. I'm rounding up because she looked 12. Made me sick.
Basically any girl at 16 who is half good looking is completely ruined. I'm holding out for some late-bloomers coming out of their shells. I'm really not down with putting any effort into getting a girl who's had more miles of dick in her than I've walked in the past year.
I'm still unplugging. My thinking here is that if you fuck a lot of girls, why would you care if a girl you want have slept around just much as you did?
Hardly. I was at 65 by the first time I got married, I'm nobody special. You underestimate how incredibly easy it is for girls to get sex. Look how easy it is for men to get all the nonsexual stuff the friendzone gets you. Imagine if getting laid were as easy as being friendzoned and you start to get the picture.
I know how easy it is for girls to get sex. I'm not arguing that, but no girl sleeps with 200-500 men by the time she's 23. Let's take the median of that range which is 350 men. And let's say the girl becomes sexually active at 16, that would mean that by 23 she has fucked an average of 50 men a year. That's a new man every week for 7 years in a row straight, 7!
You're so trusting. It's cute. Spend some time in the military. I know girls who fucked 20 to 30 guys a month on deployments and overseas tours. Year long deployments at that rate really make the number kinda small. Navy wives with a box of Tide laundry detergent in the window while her man is out to sea. USAF wives with a revolving door between her legs.
College chicks have it even easier, they don't worry about rank, rules concerning fraternization and the UCMJ. Fact of the matter is 200 is easy for a girl to hit. It's better to assume she's a slut and she isn't than to hang your hopes and dreams on the town bicycle.
You don't have to accept reality for it to still be reality.
This was submitted over a year ago here, but that was a time when we had less than half the membership we have now. This post is as close to evidence of TRP truth as there is out there, and I imagine many of the new guys would miss it anyways. Really, really take a good look at this post. There is a reason Rollo is linked in the sidebar.
Thanks for posting this. The original TRP thread, and Rollo's take on it, it's some of the most important stuff for men to process. It's one thing to "understand" the issue of genuine vs. negotiated desire in an intellectual sense. The thing that made this guy's story so immediate was the way it drives the lesson home on a visceral level.
I've wondered a few times what ever became of this guy, I remember we were all hoping he'd sack up and send her ass packing. Hopefully, others here can learn from his misfortunes.
It's a time-based variation on the "oh, you're too good of a guy for me" routine. Meaning she's not looking for "good guys", she's looking for "hawt guys".
I heard it all the time in my early 20's. Or she'd say,
"Please JP, don't ever change! You're such a 'great guy'"!
Translated, "Keep being a good beta boy JP! I'm gonna need you for a post-wall marriage and a good divorce in 10 or 15 years!"
The first is a shit test. The second is bait to see if you'll be one of her Beta orbiters that she can "talk to" until 3am in the morning about her "asshole boyfriends". She probably lost an orbiter, which is why she's texting after 3 months. There's a new job opening.
Thanks make sense now.
Replied to the first one with "We should have". I think I failed this one.
I was a callus on the second one... I told her I am not free and expect to be paid for my time. Anyway she was already pumped and dumped. Cheated on her BF. AWALT.
I am so fucking lucky. I got married to a whore, that fucks like a prude.
How many millions of men have this figuratively tattooed on their foreheads?
And stories like this exemplify why TRP is so important to men:
One of the reasons I, and most of the manosphere, receive so much scorn from plugged-in, feminine primary society is that we risk to expose this process. This author’s story is the inconvenient truth of a pluralistic feminine sexual strategy.
No, what's unrealistic is expecting one's choices to not have consequences. She lied through her teeth, doesn't desire him in the same way, and used him as a parasite uses a host. Then she even tried to manipulate him with what he wanted, after it all went down.
As for your example, "found her faith again" seems to be more indicative of the wall rather than changing as a person. She's trying to lock down a provider, how do you not see that?
I wish I could say this was the first time I’ve ever encountered a story like his — it’s actually the 7th time, and four of those were personal accounts from men I’ve counseled.
RedHeimdall 10y ago
Once on a first date I was on my couch watching a movie with a girl and as I escalated with touching her she actually said to me "Listen, I'm not that kind of girl anymore. I used to be a real slut, but now I make guys wait at least a few months for sex."
Wow. Sooo... the worst of both worlds huh? Awesome.
LessThanPerfectCell 10y ago
Ex gf said the same thing to me essentially. She said "I used to be a slut. I think we should wait a day or two before having sex. I don't want to see you as a dick with an awesome personality but an awesome personality with a dick." For some reason in her mind she thought that since she had a lot of miscellaneous sex in college she couldn't properly "bond" with a dude that she wants to lock down if they fuck quickly. Because they were never able to lock down the attractive guys they slept with college, so they think it has a correlation with how easy they gave out sex.
The cognitive hoola hoops are real. And guess what? We didn't wait days. Maybe she should have said two hours because that is how long it took before we were in the bedroom.
bitches_be_crazy86 10y ago
Lol seen the same. It was a 29yr old recently divorced bitch. Said precisely the same thing but using euphemisms.
Mind you that she complained about her ex husband and shit but then slipped without thinkning that she was whoring a lot and she's no longer like that. BTW it's amazing how much truth they slip if you're a good listener and can read between lines.
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exit_sandman 10y ago
How did she react when you laughed in her face and told her she could go fuck herself?
RedHeimdall 10y ago
I was more of a nice guy at the time so I just said "Oh I see" or something, but in my head I was immediately thinking "Next!" I think I waited about 10 minutes and then made up some bullshit reason why we had to cut the evening short then started texting some other girls to see if any were down to "hang out."
Brassporkchop 10y ago
It doesn't matter if you're red or blue pill I can't see how ANY dude would be cool with a chick saying that to them. But I know they must exist and it hurts my head to think of their rational for buying into it. I mean sure they can lie to themselves but deep down they have to know it's really fucked up.
RedHeimdall 10y ago
Yeah this chick seriously lacked some social savvy to put it so bluntly...
It's easier for blue pill guys to swallow if they phrase it like "I was young and immature and just wanted to have fun, but now I'm interested in something more serious and substantial." If they just come right out and say "I was a whore but I've decided to reform and now I'm a prude," that's hard for any dude to swallow.
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Should have been like, "I need to show you something" and then walk her out the front door.
Red-Zen 10y ago
and then walked her to the bedroom.
Tarnsman4Life 10y ago
This is why I target girls in their early 20's as plates. Once they get close to 30 they start to worry about men thinking they are sluts and you end up with the worst of both worlds, at least if she is just a slut you get it in.
It is like standing in line for of an empty club but having to wait an hour to get in, fuck that.
bitches_be_crazy86 10y ago
I second it.
It's the great paradox - old used up sluts become self-whoreconcious
PM_Me_For_Drugs 10y ago
I had an ex who wore miniskirts, fishnets, total freak etc.
I met this chick's mom and she was still pretty good looking for her age - but single, unbearably neurotic and piously religious. I always wondered what happened there, but in retrospect I guess stuff like that is the secret fate of all slutty chicks.
foldpak111 10y ago
I would laugh and tell her to leave. Masturbation is more productive.
TA_2985_A6E1_9FC3 10y ago
An acquaintance called it "intra vaginal masturbation".
NakedAndBehindYou 10y ago
That's called last minute resistance.
-SoItGoes 10y ago
It certainly is - but she's also just told you get true character. I'd definitely take her word for it.
RedHeimdall 10y ago
Yeah that's the thing... after that I didn't even care to try to push through it. She's just told me I'm going to have to work harder than I expected to for something less valuable than I expected. With that info, she wasn't hot enough for me to bother anymore.
scotttherealist 10y ago
How would you overcome that
1independentmale 10y ago
Every guy will handle this differently and there are many good ways to go about it. Personally, I wouldn't get upset and hard next her. I'd pull her close, give her a passionate kiss and while I ran my hand down her face, neck, and shoulder, I'd shame her: "That's too bad. I'm really not into the good girls." I'd finish my statement right as my hand touched her breast and I'd give it a solid squeeze.
Then I'd either fuck her or show her out, depending on her reaction.
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JohnGalt316 10y ago
you should reply "omg you too? sometimes, i make women wait years" then you continue
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JohnGalt316 10y ago
lol you aren't being serious
if she calls you out, u drop the "i'm usually not like this, but we have such chemistry" etc etc.
you are using her game against herself
Dr_Nightmares 10y ago
Tell me that you laughed at her and tell her to leave (Or left). Did you?
RedHeimdall 10y ago
I was more of a nice guy at the time so I just said "Oh I see" or something, but in my head I was immediately thinking "Next!" I think I waited about 10 minutes and then made up some bullshit reason why we had to cut the evening short then started texting some other girls to see if any were down to "hang out."
Marsupian 10y ago
If she tells you two months there is a very good chance its actually two hours. That statement has no relation with reality. Its powertalk. What it means is "trust me I am a good serious girl now, you should invest in me and reward me with commitment before we fuck."
The correct response is to chuckle and keep escalating. Taking it seriously shows you dont understand powertalk and are undatable.
RedHeimdall 10y ago
I would agree with you, but I have found that most girls keep these kinds of statements pretty vague and general, and the rare ones who are more blunt and specific are much harder to deal with.
The girl who says "I'm not looking for a ONS" is easier to fuck the first night than the girl who says "I have never had a ONS and I never will." The girl who says "I don't want to jump into sex right away" will fuck sooner than the girl who says "I don't have sex with a guy until we've been dating for at least two months."
I've found the more explicit and specific they are about supposed hard & fast rules and waiting periods and whatnot, the harder you have to work to deal with them. Which is a turn off.
Glenbert 10y ago
This is why you DON'T discount a girl who fucks you in the first couple of dates. Gentlemen there are NO unicorns. They're all sluts whether de facto or in waiting. You stick with a hotel who makes you wait, you are only confirming your betatude.
There's nothing wrong with being ONE OF the cocks on the carousel.
captainramen 10y ago
Can't turn a ho-tel into a house
Glenbert 10y ago
"Girl" autocorrected to "hotel" and reddit doesn't believe in having an edit button.
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MightyBroseidon 10y ago
That is an awesome autocorrect, though. Wonder when the last time she had a cleaning crew run through was...
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 10y ago
Freudian autocorrect! Rickster really ran with it below.
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Newbosterone 10y ago
If you join the frequent visitor club you get upgraded to the Continental Breakfast.
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NiftyDolphin 10y ago
"My vagina is no longer serves to provide entertainment, it's for garnering investment."
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"All so her vagina stock can go up, a quarter of a point. Lets make that stock go down."
wonderboy10000 10y ago
It's not my million dollar fantasy, but I'll be one of the two dudes in the threesome to make that stock go down.
PapaRomeoAlpha 10y ago
It's more like paying full retail on a used tire.
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I was sudo quoting Office Space. But yes, thats exactly what its like.
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DRMMR76 10y ago
That's the most succinct and accurate way to say it. All the negatives of a broken whore who can't pair bond properly, is jaded, bitter, and messed up in the head after years of failed attempts at getting her perfect guy, plus all the negatives of a prude who makes you jump through all sorts of hoops to get even a taste of vanilla sex, and only after making you wait it out for months.
No fucking thanks. Hard next.
It's like a car dealership giving out 2015 models to everyone else but you..for free. And then making you pay top dollar for a busted up 1998 model with 210,000 miles on it.
Dismantlement 10y ago
I'd love to bang some 1998 models once they're legal next year.
marlybarrow 10y ago
Girls born in 1999 are already legal where I live.
I'm not interested though. Really.
Newbosterone 10y ago
Sorry, they were models in 1998. They still have the taste for cocaine, Dom Perrignon, and five star restaurants. They just weigh twice as much, and put out one tenth as often.
vipernick913 10y ago
Lol I like the way you think.
crazydave1979 10y ago
They may already be depending where you live
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zpatriarchy 10y ago
they don't even realize how damaged they are or they would know not to tell a man that she
iswas a slut. an undamaged girl knows that being a slut is shameful & would never admit to it.theredbelow 10y ago
If AWALT, I'd rather take the honest one
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singeblanc 10y ago
You can have this racing car... man, it's seen some speed! Raced all the tracks in Europe, redlining all the way around.
Don't drive it over 30, though. It's racing days are behind it.
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FattestRabbit 10y ago
Replace car with horse. Analogy works again.
Magnetosis 10y ago
At least the horse will shut up
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Hell_Brake 10y ago
When a woman declares she is a slut & a whore while getting gangbanged by 5 men - she is empowered and liberated, good for her.
When a man is repulsed by such behavior - he is a woman hating rapist, shame on him.
Rancid and deplorable behavior has trumped decency; feminism has turned the world upside down. Be wary gentlemen.
LFAB 10y ago
"Her genuine desire, her sexual best was never intended for him in the first place."
God damn, that line is hard hitting.
RPthrowaway123 10y ago
Things like that hit me in the gut when I started the red pill. I don't think I'm nearly there yet, but these sorts of statements are starting to be less surprising...it just amazes me how putting something in simple, frank terms like that can suddenly make a woman's actions make sense.
sigmayogi 10y ago
Yep. Pretty much ruined western women for me. All I see is a bunch of sluts that will never get my commitment.
aptway 10y ago
"I can do those things with you! I'm attracted to you!"
No you're not. You're attracted to the provisioning he provides, and will say whatever you need to in order to continue receiving it.
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RedBigMan 10y ago
Not worth it... though he's already got one kid... she might try to spermjack him to keep the provisioning wagon going for another 18 years.
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Muk1st 10y ago
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yoyoz69 10y ago
Hey... I thought I was the only one.
BlueFreedom420 10y ago
Masterful analysis. This shit is never mentioned on crap like Love line, or Dear whothefuckever.
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NeoreactionSafe 10y ago
"He wants her to want him, he wants her to desire sex with him with the same verve and enthusiasm she did with other men in her videos."
Hopefully by now everyone realizes that the only PROOF you can have that a woman looks up to you is that she aggressively CHARMS you. (admiration, respect)
The Beta charms the woman... since that's backwards based on natures hardcoded internal signals the Beta does not trigger Tingles.
You correct this by placing yourself at the top of the hierarchy. You don't necessarily need to be top Alpha... but just don't ever signal as Beta by being charming to a woman.
Men love women, women charm men.
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Just erase Disney because his "Prince Charming" films were secretly an attack on the Bavarian Monarchy... "make the King a faggot" was a big joke back then.
Ever heard of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schafkopf
(Sheepshead Card Game)
H42 10y ago
The poor bastard has a kid with the slut. Any predictions on DNA test results for his daughter? Who's her daddy?
sigmayogi 10y ago
All the dicks she had would have affected the DNA of the kid based on recent discoveries in michrochimerism.
redpillschool Admin 10y ago
Come on JP, you know to flair your posts!
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
Yeah, I know, I got sidetracked. Thanks for the backup.
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trancedj 10y ago
From the linked Rollo Tomassi article titled "The Desire Dynamic"....
"Whether LTR or a one night stand (ONS) strive for genuine desire in your relationships. Half of the battle is knowing you want to be with a woman who wants to please you, not one who feels obligated to. You will never draw this genuine desire from her by overt means, but you can covertly lead her to this genuine desire. The trick in provoking real desire is in keeping her ignorant of your intent to provoke it. Real desire is created by her thinking it’s something she wants, not something she has to do."
Real desire is created by her thinking it’s something she wants, not something she has to do.
How exactly does one achieve this level of mastery? In other words, how can you covertly lead her to desire you?
Stay red gents.
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GregariousWolf 10y ago
There's a thread on r/deadbedrooms right now that is the same story. Unless it's also a troll. Which one of you guys posted this?
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VodkaTankerSpill 10y ago
Upon re-reading it seems like a troll or some MRA-type fantasy. Nevertheless, the surgical evisceration of the post by Rollo is worth the read and exposed essence is relevant.
indlife 10y ago
This entire story is why it is important to tell our young men that before they choose a life partner, be it marriage or whatever, they should have a bucket list of sexual experiences they want to fulfill. If they aren't able to obtain these with willing young women as they go through life, then strongly consider traveling to areas where prostitution or brothels are legal and pay for it. It also will help check off travel bucket list items. Some will say "It isn't the same." I get their point, but look at it like this, many young college women are getting paid by college men for sex. Instead of direct cash payments, it is usually in alcohol, drugs, attention, and/or invitations to parties/mixers/formals.
nefuratios 10y ago
I dunno, seems like the wife was practically offering herself to him as a sex slave if he didn't file for divorce. That would be a fine compromise.
byronshadow 10y ago
Obligation sex to hold onto her beta bucks would just make her more resentful. I think she'd start acting up again as soon as she thought she had him on the hook again.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
You've still got some learning to do, my man.
themanbat 10y ago
Sounds like a good idea at first, but unless this guy fundamentally transforms, this girl isn't going to genuinely want to get freaky with him. Also pressuring her into sex she genuinely doesn't want is going to give her all kinds of, "he emotionally raped me," fuel to spread around once the relationship finally goes south.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
Only as long as it took her to get a branch swing in place and figure out who is the best divorce rape lawyer. Doesn't matter, the relationship is doomed.
TheButtiestMan 10y ago
You missed the whole point
That_Othr_Guy 10y ago
Am I the only one who thinks the husband is being a little bitch about this? Hear me out. He rightfully feels betrayed because she lied about her sexual past (number of partners) but his anger over her refusal to commit the same acts she did in college is baffling. We are not aware of how old the couple is and how long after college they started dating. She could have changed. She didn't want to repeat what she did in her past because she considers herself to be "dirty" for doing them. That is why she lied (wrongfully so). The husband is being irrational by believing that "she doesn't want to do those things with him", no, she just doesn't want those things, period. I probably would've acted in the same manner the husband did, but I would hope someone rational will speak to me about how idiotic I'm being, which as far as I can see, Noone in this sub or the article's comments is doing. Now, If he finds out she's been cheating on him and committing those same college acts, then the husband is just in his feelings, but if she's only been with him since they began dating and has never done "anal" and the like to anyone since then, he should rethink his decision.
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enkae7317 10y ago
Damn. Read the article for the first time. As a new TRP-er I'm amazed. Do shit like this happen to all the guys in this subreddit?
fadetoblack1004 10y ago
Didn't happen to me, but I was the guy who got her to loosen up sexually. If you can find a woman who is relatively inexperienced and build a solid relationship with her, you can usually mold them to your tastes.
Get a chick who was a whore, and you're kind of getting a wild card. She could stay the same, she could change, she could get bored of you quick... who knows?
Merwebb 10y ago
In my case i had a LTR that suddenly stopped the sex train. She was very active and BAM! Drought. I tried to salvage the relationship while blaming myself and all the blue beta crap instead of walking away. At my highest point of unconformity (and i still wanted to save MY relationship) she even proposed marriage to me. Things where kind of bleak and she wanted to marry me.
I said fuck no.
In hindsight that was a defining moment for me. A bank robbery alarm woudnt ring louder in my ears at that moment.
RedHeimdall 10y ago
It may be less extreme most of the time, but this general paradigm is the standard nowadays. Most guys with long-term girlfriends or wives probably did not have sex with them on the first date, for instance, and yet a huge percentage of those girlfriends and wives probably did have sex with some other earlier guy on the "first date" (which may have been the only "date").
It will be common that she gave more of herself sexually to some other guy before you, as measured by metrics such as time (she made him wait less time than you) or degree (she did certain sex acts with him she won't do with you) or enthusiasm (she was eager with him but half-hearted with you), etc.
Guys are told to accept this and put it out of their minds. But at TRP we do not accept that a girl is even minimally worthy of our commitment unless she has given us more of herself sexually than any other guy before.
redpillsoldato 10y ago
Wish I could upvote this a thousand times.
LessThanPerfectCell 10y ago
And the funny thing is that we get derided for it.
"You are the boyfriend. You won!" is the common defense.
If she is not willing to give it her all and her best in all categories like I would be in a relationship than it's not worthy of my time. Also, most girls in the early 20s age range go on "dates" frequently. They don't consider these one night stands or anything of that sort. They were just "dating around".
I have no problem with a girl "dating around". It's not my life and I respect your decision to do what you want. But don't get all mad and irritated when I say I would never consider legitimately dating a girl like that.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
If they aren't enthusiastic and eager, I find one who is. Every hole is my playground, if not then she can try someone else. Not every girl gets to ride this ride.
Bobwayne17 10y ago
Damn. I found myself in an LTR after being here for a couple of years and this was one of the first things I had to tell her. Didn't go over well, but oh well.
Vzuv 10y ago
Yeah, I learned this about my wife - not nearly to the extent of the original post, but it's NEVER going to leave my mind. My wife had threesomes, anal, D/s relationships and things like that in relationships prior to me, but not with me. I have let it eat me up terribly inside (and it still does to this day). We dated for a long time before having sex, etc. etc. and I feel like it permanently damaged our relationship in ways that I'm still trying to push through now.
I feel that my understanding and attempts to just "accept" it have simply led to me having a far less sexually fulfilling relationship than may have happened otherwise, and although things have improved slightly over the course of our relationship, I am constantly stuck with the nagging realization that there's the potential for that in her, but I can't bring it out. I'm not sure I'll ever fully get over it - any time I find myself dissatisfied with our vanilla sex life, I think back at that and it just gets me even more annoyed.
I can't really force it out of her, but I'm not sure I can ever be truly fulfilled just knowing that she did things with others that she won't with me.
SplashArtist 10y ago
Dude you seem intelligent, yet you are in a relationship that eats at you everyday. That's not an intelligent decision. Your own personal happiness matters most. Its selfish and yet not at the same time because the happier you are the more of a positive effect on others you will have. I would suggest either leaving or putting yourself first which may in turn improve your relationship. If you add kids to the equation then my suggestion obviously becomes more complex, but nonetheless compelling.
Vzuv 10y ago
My wife isn't terrible - I see a lot of people making observations or descriptions of their wife as if they are these awful, controlling harpies and they've been beta-fied by their dominant wife. My relationship absolutely isn't like that - I definitely see the potential to get to where I want to be - and it's largely my fault for not being there.
I'd say our relationship was fairly red pill in most ways (money, decision making, general dynamics - we had the captain/first officer thing going on quite well) and the only front where it wasn't was the sexual front. Red Pill somewhat enlightened me to that and now I'm making a serious push for what I want, and am making significant progress in the direction I want to go in. To be honest, I feel like my wife wants to be led/pushed, and I simply hadn't been doing a good job of it. As such, I feel that the state it's in has been my fault more than it has been hers. But while it's a bitter pill to swallow, it's also easier. If it's my fault, that means I can do something about it.
I've become tremendously happier on multiple fronts since I started reading and internalizing TRP. Realistically for me, TRP simply said to me "You know that way you feel but you keep it squashed down because society tells you it's bad? It's not, so just let it free," - and it's been paying off in spades. Hopefully it continues.
Granny_Whisperer 10y ago
This kind of shit happens all the time. When your pill kicks in properly you get to see it all from the other side.
Married women, women who just got engaged, women complaining their bf is boring while taking your cock up their ass, "good girls" who have no problem fucking you in the bathroom after talking to you for 15 whole minutes. The list goes on.
Committing to a woman would require some hard core mental gymnastics after you've seen their true nature.
sigmayogi 10y ago
If I knew this coming in I would have told you to shove your red pill directly up your ass.
But it's too late now. As it was for Cypher in the matrix.
Gimprome 10y ago
Girls who complain about their boyfriends are the easiest lays.
Granny_Whisperer 10y ago
Her complaining means she is acutely aware of your higher SMV compared to her bf and her hamster is getting a tabata workout.
FattestRabbit 10y ago
This is a startling revelation for me. Recently, a few girls have complained to me about their boyfriends, and I took it as them attempting to gain me as an orbiter (e.g. "listen to my problems for free!"). You telling me this is some sort of mating call?!
Gimprome 10y ago
They are looking to branch swing. They are an easy fuck, but are worth nothing more than that.
RedHeimdall 10y ago
Not necessarily, there are alpha and beta versions of this. Above they're talking about the alpha version which I have experienced and I agree with. Meaning if she's at the bar talking with you, hammering cocktails, touching you on the arm, talking about sexual topics and complaining about her BF ("he's so boring"), it's on.
But if she's saying what an asshole her BF is while you hold her purse while she tries on shoes at the mall, then no, you are still an orbiter.
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Danedina 10y ago
His mistake wasn't just believing that he had a unicorn. The bigger error was thinking that sex would get better after they got married.
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colovick 10y ago
When you move to Saudi Arabia where they are basically livestock
PIGamer86 10y ago
"He wants her sexual best, but her 7 years of unwillingness to give him that while enjoying the benefits of his provisioning, his patience, love and perseverance only puts her strategy, the Hypergamic strategy, into perfect focus. Her genuine desire, her sexual best was never intended for him in the first place."
I liked the end how he really slams home how she's been betraying him from the start.
iatepussy 10y ago
Jesus lord all mighty that picture is horrifying
Gator813 10y ago
Almost couldn't continue reading after the guy admitted, "I would've been ok with it if you would've told me!" Nope. Gangbangs...not even once.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
They are fun though. Not going to keep those girls, but honestly I'm not keeping any of them for anything more than a series of holes to fuck. They seem to like it that way.
RedBigMan 10y ago
If she told him she was in a gangbang with 5 dudes and another chick he would have passed long before he got attached. The fact he is attached is why he is hamstering that he would have been ok with it if she told him.
Or maybe he's a Machiavellian bastard and is lying to the pussy cartel? Probably not but who knows.
DreadLockedHaitian 10y ago
Dudes that accept spoiled goods are something else.
Hithard_McBeefsmash 10y ago
Why not? If she's super chill now, and is enthusiastically meeting all of your sexual needs, then why does it matter what she may have done in the past?
disposable_pants 10y ago
There's a negative correlation between partner count and stable marriages. In general, the more partners a woman has had the less likely your marriage is to succeed. There are certainly other factors in play, but partner count seems to be significant.
More specifically, why is sex with multiple partners undesirable? I think the starting assumption should be that overall partner count is what matters (and precisely how she obtained her partner count is unimportant), but I can think of plenty of rational arguments that challenge that assumption. Sex with multiple partners seems more likely to be high-risk behavior, there's probably a high correlation between sex with multiple partners and overall partner count (i.e. women who have had threesomes most likely have a huge partner count, which is bad), most women who've had sex with multiple partners are likely to be less than forthcoming with that information (and by implication, other personal information), etc.
In short, yes, people can change their ways, but the odds are against it.
bsutansalt 10y ago
Interesting, I just discovered redditlog is defunct.
For those who are interested, I looked up the Redditlog page of the thread that Rollo was referring to in his article and ran it through archive.today:
https://archive.today/O5S9h
Aaaaand for shits & giggles I looked up that poster's comment history and found he had an update:
https://archive.today/5UW70
And another:
https://archive.today/shOHE
aptway 10y ago
This needs to be higher. Damn good schadenfreude.
Men want to marry a "lady in the bed." That was great for a laugh.
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CornyHoosier 10y ago
It's all too common. A lot of women, once they hit their late-20's start becoming prudish because they correlate their own sluttiness with why they can't get a stable and long term relationship.
Dear Women: It ain't your vagina, it's your personality.
WardlyHasted 10y ago
A very minor observation, but after reading this for the third time or so, I'm willing to put $20 on the fact that the "health problems" the husband alludes to his wife having is some sort of depression -- fuelled by the phoney persona she has to maintain everyday living with a beta bucks she isn't attracted to.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
I remember reading somewhere, and I can't remember where, that something like 75% of all anti-depressants are prescribed to women over the age of 35.
beerthroway 10y ago
Apparently some of that could be for menopause issues. My mom is definitely not depressed but the doc put her on Paxil for hot flashes because she couldn't sleep.
Flaye2 10y ago
This story... Still sends chill down my spine when I read it. You could just feel the pain as if you're there in his place yourself.
Every time one feels that a girl is special, a unicorn, a NAWALT, all they need to do is read this for a dose of red pill right back to reality.
68461674897051454980 10y ago
I actually lol'd at
like... bitch you serious? lol
Garconanokin 10y ago
Putting the onus of her lie onto him. It checks out!
babydocnorman 10y ago
It's not like we weren't warned ..
"Every woman is a whore, except my mother. But let us not forget that she is a woman, too." - Napoleon Bonaparte.
"Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks." - Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Tyga
Problem is, a lot of men don't treat the sexual marketplace like the swap meet it really is. We aren't going into a dealership to buy a shiny, brand new model, fresh off the assembly line with no wear and tear and a multi-year warranty. We're all buying used goods, haggling for high mileage merchandise that's been ridden, kicked to the curb and passed on to multiple owners. And there's definitely no warranty ... buy at your own risk.
ss_camaro 10y ago
Just need to put some pickin' to it.
Hithard_McBeefsmash 10y ago
I mean keep in mind that the same thing applies from her perspective. The goods she are shopping for are hardly brand-new either.
-Tyler_Durden- 10y ago
Honey, I used to run errands, give back rubs , and offer commitment way too soon; but that's not me now. Please don't judge me for my past; it was a dark period of my youth, I'm not proud.
I'm not that type of man anymore; I have respect for myself and force myself not to be exclusive with anyone until I really get to know them, you know, after 18 months or longer. I hope you respect my efforts in becoming a better person.
aptway 10y ago
If I couldn't have the kitten, then I sure-as-all-fuck don't want the cat.
People look at me like I'm unreasonable and crazy when I say I don't even consider women older than 23 for an LTR. Fuck 'em. Get them young and early and mold them. Only then can you create the adoration and respect needed for any kind of successful long-term arrangement with a woman.
occupythekitchen 10y ago
yep im lucky to be around 17-18 year old girls most of the time. Older chicks are just more I dont know they want you to lick their asshole and pussy because they had a guy do it once to them when they were in their 20s. They want to take you to the bathroom then go flirt with another guy in your face, they like to talk about what their last man drove. Bitch get the fuck out of my dick I just came and now I want distance from you.
An 18 year old girl feels more sincere, oh ive been dating my boyfriend for 4 years. She hasnt gone crazy in hypergamy in fact she hasnt even realized that side of her nature. You get her then when she wants to try something new and give her what shes never had she is yours not the whole world as a girl who has sat in the carousel acts. She still believes in love not in wanting to jump from lap and lap looking for something better because that guy didnt give her an orgasm with his penis but he did that thing with his tongue, or the one who would eat her out for hours but couldnt get it up, or the one who was a sex god but he fucked her too hard, or the one who was gentler and passionate and shed cum buckets with him.
Im_Hitler 10y ago
Theyre ruined by 23 in most cases. Especially if they went to college. Jesus christ what is wrong with women.
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Im_Hitler 10y ago
Shes fucked so many guys and made too many poor life decisions that the idea of a LTR with this woman is a very bad one. A 'ruined' opportunity. I also think at times these girls realize that theyve made very poor decisions early on BUT because theyre big girls now and graduated college, theyve changed and none of that matters... yeah right.
shadowq8 10y ago
Hedonism and sexual freedom. Congratulations to you your parents and your grand parents into fucking up what the conception of freedom is and part of what keeps a society in order.
Abolish morals in an exchange of instant gratification for the 20% that get the 80%? And now you reap what those generations have sowed.
Redpillc0re 10y ago
Blame all you want but the onus stands on our own generations. Despite the (generally passive) congregations like TRP i dont see anyone actually taking any course of action.
shadowq8 10y ago
that is because in the old day MEN took action,
vengefully_yours 10y ago
I blame the boomers (my parents generation) and X who are my peers. Holy fuck they have inadvertently created a massive number of entitled, self absorbed, instant gratification wanting kids. My peers are bad, but holy shit the next generation doesn't even realize there are consequences for actions and they want everything right fucking now.
I know a few kids who aren't fucked up, not many are girls.
No I'm not a get off my lawn type, I am fully aware that this sentiment is millenia old.
TheHappyGiant 10y ago
You're not wrong in the least. The issue is with the helicopter parents that protected their kids from everything. The kids were never allowed to fail so they have no idea how to handle themselves in the face of adversity. More importantly they don't realize there are consequences to their actions. The crazy part is that parents can now have their children placed in child protective services for letting them walk to the park alone. When are kids supposed to grow up?
vengefully_yours 10y ago
Exactly. I don't see it as the kids fault, but the fucked up parents. The kids will have more costly mistakes, but mom and dad will fix all but the biggest ones. They never will learn.
sirmadam 10y ago
The girl who lives next door to me is 16 and already ruined.
Tarnsman4Life 10y ago
I will tell you a story about my Cousin who is 3 years older than me. When he was 18, he knocked up an 18 year old chick. This chick already had a kid, so he did what he thought was best and wifed her up. Within a year, she cheated on him and they divorced. At age 20 he married a 19 year old who already had a kid, after knocking her up too.
So here he was at 21, 2 kids, 2 step kids, married twice. He was then and still is now BB, locked in to providing for at least 3 but often 4 children before he was even 21. This blew my mind when I was 18 and he was 21. It should have shown me AWALT right then and there but I was still too plugged in.
A lot of women are beyond hope by 21 but I really think it depends and yes there is still some premium pussy out there.
I was out in the country a couple of months ago and was within an inch of picking up this "almost" 18 year old. She seemed pretty cool and not slutty, good family minded chick. Sadly my inner villain failed and I backed off when I found out she wasn't 18 yet (still would have been legal).
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Tarnsman4Life 10y ago
The women here in Chicago are pretty educated, the problem is they are also primarily narcissistic "career women" who know about as much about cooking as they do acting feminine.
It is a trade off; the one positive thing my cousin has going for him is his chick cooks and cleans for him and acts somewhat like a wife. I am sure they don't bang much because I know he doesn't use rubbers and she'd have another bun in the oven by now if they were seriously bangin'.
cariboo_j 10y ago
Divorce rates are much lower between college educated partners that get married when they are over 25. Kind of conflicts with thethe college CC narrative. I could dig up the stats. Although lack of divorce doesn't necessarily say anything about the quality of the marriage
occupythekitchen 10y ago
Same issue with me just met a 17 year old who it would be legal (in fact my 21 year old cousin married a 17 year old) but I really don't want to ruin her as I am looking for just fun at the moment. i talked to her for a bit and I see in her someone naive but who has her life planned. I like that a lot but again I don't know much about her past or present as she seems to be introverted. What I did notice is how she tends to float around me. The reason I even approached her was I was smoking and she was in the other side of the smoking area I paced away and when I turned back I noticed she was around where I was so I started chatting her up a bit. She has the cutest little lisp.
Tarnsman4Life 10y ago
Call be a sap but I do believe in "Campground Rules" when your messing around with someone more than 10 years your Junior. I will be 29 next Month , starting to get that whole "I got Daddy Issues" mode of attraction from younger women.
21 to 17 is a little different than 29 to 17.
occupythekitchen 10y ago
I'm 25 but my dad did marry my mom when he was 35 and she was 22 so I guess to me it's not that creepy.
Davethe3rd 10y ago
For example, (at least in some parts of the country) a 29 year old hooking up with a 17 year old is illegal as shit...
RedBigMan 10y ago
That's why you go to the parts of the country where that shit is legal.
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Im_Hitler 10y ago
Lol I was talking to my younger cousin last night. Hes about 20 and he says the majority of girls his age had had up to 10 partners by the time they were 16.
DreadLockedHaitian 10y ago
The part I love is when they're around 25, they bitch about slutty teens "OMG in my day".
Meanwhile I'm snapshotting and querying my friends regarding if she's the same girl that use to get gangbanged IN MIDDLE SCHOOL. That shit is infuriating at times.
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Jigsus 10y ago
What the fuck? I bet naked bushwomen have less sex.
windowkicker 10y ago
Do you not understand why it's most likely that the modern women most likely have far more sex than bushwomen?
Im_Hitler 10y ago
Its probably very specific to the geographical location but the lesson is that girls are only getting alot more sluttier alot younger. Wouldnt surprise me if by 18 they are completely desensitized to sex. Good luck to the poor bastard that LTRs a 'young innocent' girl from that generation.
systemshock869 10y ago
I was at a river swimming area once. Saw a girl with a white bikini on that was see through, with nipples clearly visible, and something like 'juicy' written on her ass. Could not have possibly been more than 16 years old. I'm rounding up because she looked 12. Made me sick.
sirmadam 10y ago
Basically any girl at 16 who is half good looking is completely ruined. I'm holding out for some late-bloomers coming out of their shells. I'm really not down with putting any effort into getting a girl who's had more miles of dick in her than I've walked in the past year.
PotatosAreDelicious 10y ago
None of the girls who were hot in highschool are attractive any more. Alot of the nerdy girls actually grew after highschool and hot as fuck now.
Billybob25112 10y ago
Eyes half open, blank look on their faces. They all have the stare by the time they're 16.
the10thrider 10y ago
Ahh, yes, the Thousand-Cock Stare.
sigmayogi 10y ago
This. I recognize it everywhere now. The kitten has left the building only to be replaced by a bitter old scheming cat.
Dr_Nightmares 10y ago
Curious, how many miles of vagina have you traveled? Are you... As you say, not ruined?
sigmayogi 10y ago
What does that have to do with anything? Are you comparing male and female biology?
Dr_Nightmares 10y ago
I'm still unplugging. My thinking here is that if you fuck a lot of girls, why would you care if a girl you want have slept around just much as you did?
cryptonoob123 10y ago
that could be right. i'm fucking girls between 20-23 mostly and their count is between 20 and 50 (that's what they call me).
j-coordinate 10y ago
What the fuck? Why so many,I thought men were meant to be the promiscuous sex,more promiscuous than women.fuckin heck they're gross
Jasmudda 10y ago
Well what kind of number would you have if pretty much every girl you came into contact with from the time you were 16 wanted to bang you?
j-coordinate 10y ago
Men were wired to be the ones spreading their seed.we are known to want to fuck everything a 6 or above.not women.
j-coordinate 10y ago
But yeh I see where youre coming from.
vengefully_yours 10y ago
Take it X 10 and you're closer to truth.
DeemSleep 10y ago
200-500 different men by the time they're 23? I think you're exaggerating a bit
vengefully_yours 10y ago
Hardly. I was at 65 by the first time I got married, I'm nobody special. You underestimate how incredibly easy it is for girls to get sex. Look how easy it is for men to get all the nonsexual stuff the friendzone gets you. Imagine if getting laid were as easy as being friendzoned and you start to get the picture.
DeemSleep 10y ago
I know how easy it is for girls to get sex. I'm not arguing that, but no girl sleeps with 200-500 men by the time she's 23. Let's take the median of that range which is 350 men. And let's say the girl becomes sexually active at 16, that would mean that by 23 she has fucked an average of 50 men a year. That's a new man every week for 7 years in a row straight, 7!
vengefully_yours 10y ago
You're so trusting. It's cute. Spend some time in the military. I know girls who fucked 20 to 30 guys a month on deployments and overseas tours. Year long deployments at that rate really make the number kinda small. Navy wives with a box of Tide laundry detergent in the window while her man is out to sea. USAF wives with a revolving door between her legs.
College chicks have it even easier, they don't worry about rank, rules concerning fraternization and the UCMJ. Fact of the matter is 200 is easy for a girl to hit. It's better to assume she's a slut and she isn't than to hang your hopes and dreams on the town bicycle.
You don't have to accept reality for it to still be reality.
Bobwayne17 10y ago
That's impressive. That's so hard for me to fathom it lies in the realm of impossibility.
Stationarity 10y ago
Great analogy man. Who wants the snotty cat, without the playfulness of the kitten.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
This was submitted over a year ago here, but that was a time when we had less than half the membership we have now. This post is as close to evidence of TRP truth as there is out there, and I imagine many of the new guys would miss it anyways. Really, really take a good look at this post. There is a reason Rollo is linked in the sidebar.
vandaalen 10y ago
I am feeling that we need more stuff like this. There has been a good portion of purplepill debates going on in the comment-sections of recent posts.
Thanks for digging this up.
isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
Thanks for posting this. The original TRP thread, and Rollo's take on it, it's some of the most important stuff for men to process. It's one thing to "understand" the issue of genuine vs. negotiated desire in an intellectual sense. The thing that made this guy's story so immediate was the way it drives the lesson home on a visceral level.
I've wondered a few times what ever became of this guy, I remember we were all hoping he'd sack up and send her ass packing. Hopefully, others here can learn from his misfortunes.
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JP_Whoregan 10y ago
No, they are very cognizant of it. You just have to know how to decode Hamsterese into English. For example, how many times has a girl said to you:
"Wow, you are a really, really great guy! Why couldn't I meet you 10 years from now?"
"You are definitely a guy that is marriage material."
"You're a really 'great guy', I'm sure you'll find a nice girl someday."
RedPill ProTip: If a girl ever calls you "marriage material", run. "Marriage material" is hamster speak for "Beta Bux".
RedBigMan 10y ago
Reply: "10 years from now I'll be dating someone 10 years younger"
FattestRabbit 10y ago
I've never heard this one, but putting these all together makes me realize what a chump I've been for most of my dating life. Thank god for TRP.
JP_Whoregan 10y ago
It's a time-based variation on the "oh, you're too good of a guy for me" routine. Meaning she's not looking for "good guys", she's looking for "hawt guys".
I heard it all the time in my early 20's. Or she'd say,
"Please JP, don't ever change! You're such a 'great guy'"!
Translated, "Keep being a good beta boy JP! I'm gonna need you for a post-wall marriage and a good divorce in 10 or 15 years!"
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JP_Whoregan 10y ago
The first is a shit test. The second is bait to see if you'll be one of her Beta orbiters that she can "talk to" until 3am in the morning about her "asshole boyfriends". She probably lost an orbiter, which is why she's texting after 3 months. There's a new job opening.
reddishman 10y ago
Thanks make sense now. Replied to the first one with "We should have". I think I failed this one.
I was a callus on the second one... I told her I am not free and expect to be paid for my time. Anyway she was already pumped and dumped. Cheated on her BF. AWALT.
redpillbanana 10y ago
How many millions of men have this figuratively tattooed on their foreheads?
And stories like this exemplify why TRP is so important to men:
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__ZEAL__ 10y ago
No, what's unrealistic is expecting one's choices to not have consequences. She lied through her teeth, doesn't desire him in the same way, and used him as a parasite uses a host. Then she even tried to manipulate him with what he wanted, after it all went down.
As for your example, "found her faith again" seems to be more indicative of the wall rather than changing as a person. She's trying to lock down a provider, how do you not see that?
You have some more unplugging to do.
Blaat1985 10y ago
Wasn't this posted by the troll who post a new made up story about Indian women in r/relationships every month?
dimmy666 10y ago
From Rollo's post:
Troll or not, the point stands.