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Forums.Red / WhereAreAllTheGoodMen / Single Mom Tears

The manosphere has been screaming this for years: Men don't give a fuck about her socioeconomic standing. The kind of man she wants all the other women also want, so he can afford to date the ones younger than her and without kids. She's in her 30s and with a kid, She needs to get real.
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Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago

WWTRD (What would the Romans Do?)

1/ Loss of civic rights (no voting; no public office; no right to be witness)

2/ Unmarried / Illegitimacy Tax (per bastard)

3/ Barred from State Employment

4/ Children Barred from State education

5/ Internal exile (woman and child relegated to the community of the father).

6/ No public benefits.

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No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago

I have 1 kid whose dad is not involved and we have no contact for MY sanity.

What about YOUR DAUGHTER'S mental health? Selfish fucking cunt.

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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 3mo ago

That "only thing" that is a "detterent" (it is spelled "deterent") is a major one. Someone else's kid is going to be repel many men, especially the ones she wants. The reason she is getting the matches she finds so disatisfactory is that the men who have options want a woman who does not already have a kid. And it most certainly will not help when she explains how "he is not involved" in raising the kid and having no contact with him. Who allowed this man to impregnate her? That reflects her judgement, which is poor.

It is not a bad thing that she makes great money and has her own home. But those things are not going to raise her status among the men she wants, as the men she wants has no need for her ability to make money. The kind of man that might be happy with that are the ones she is already rejecting.

I need to move lol

The location is not the problem, it is her expectations of what kind of man she can get.

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StrongWoman 3mo ago

I actually think women are about 10 to 15 IQ points lower on the scale on average. This is a good example for it. She states what she wants, but literally has no empathy for the motivation or reasoning of others. One day, I looked in the mirror (figuratively speaking) and asked myself "Why would a woman let you impregnate her and be together with you for the rest of her life?" I was never the same, because, yeah, why would she? But this female just doesn't even think about the reasons some well-off or even rich man might want to by a house for. As an investment: sure, to live there with his wife and children: sure, to live there with a single-mother that wants to invest in stocks with him: "Ma'am, this is an Arby's". What the hell is even that?

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 3mo ago

I actually think women are about 10 to 15 IQ points lower on the scale on average.

That's half true; men generally tend to be both more and less intelligent than women. The latter tend to cluster around the median range while men are more spread out - most exceptionally intelligent people are men, but so are most exceptionally stupid people.

She states what she wants, but literally has no empathy for the motivation or reasoning of others. [...] this female just doesn't even think about the reasons some well-off or even rich man might want to by a house for.

Solipsism is a hell of a drug.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 3mo ago

This woman is LARP'ing as a man, but cannot understand why men are not interested.

Everything she wrote describes a woman that is masculine. And men that are masculine, don't want a masculine woman. They want the very opposite.

If I were to live my life as a feminine man, do I assume that women would be interested in me? Fuck no, I'm not that delusional.

PSA for any women out there - if you want a masculine man, don't be masculine. Just be feminine.

Also -you have a kid. As the late great K. Samuels said - go back to your baby daddy - that is your level.

We already know that she is a terrible mother (and hence, by extraploation, a worthless human being) because she has taken the child away from the father. this is not in the interest of the child. so...if she is not prepared to act in the best interests of the child, what chance do you think there is of her treating you well????

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PoopBeast Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago

I'm 37. Not to brag, but I have a good job as a software developer. I own my own house. I have a nice car. I'm even 6'4. Women in her situation should be throwing themselves at me on Hinge, but it's pretty rare that I get matches. I'll never understand why women talk as if this problem is exclusive to them. For all her performative lamenting, I doubt she would put much effort to get a guy like me who she says she wants, and at her age, therein lies the problem.

I'm sure that if I wanted to try my luck with her, she'd expect me to "put in the effort". Lol! Just think about that concept; All the time and money that I would be expected to spend on dates (despite her "great job"), with no guarantees of return. Putting up with her retarded friends. The sudden migraines she gets when I'm horny... Who does she think she is, charging that price?

What are these...standards you're clinging to? At the age you're at, men are running out of fucks to give. You should have secured your ticket earlier.

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago

All the time and money that I would be expected to spend on dates (despite her "great job"), with no guarantees of return. Putting up with her retarded friends. The sudden migraines she gets when I'm horny... Who does she think she is, charging that price?

Yeah that's the sort of shit they can only expect if they are 20 and childless, or from a husband that they have been married to for 20 years and he's invested three kids and a large house and isn't willing to rock the boat.

If a woman is already old and the man isn't already super invested in her....good fucking luck bitch, you're going to need it.

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 4mo ago

As long as he makes enough to take care of himself, why should it matter what the man does for work or whether he has a comparable income?

Asking hypothetically, of course. We all know why. Feminism and hypergamy are a deadly combination, each working against the other to ensure no woman ever actually finds contentment in life, let alone any relatively consistent measure of happiness.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago

I was reading a Cheddit chat by female incels and I was amused at how they complained they had high sex drives they were trying to do deal with, but get this, they were annoyed all the men hitting on their ugly/obese selves were "low effort" and didn't want to take them out on lavish dinner dates.

This showed me that (most single 30+ modern women have ZERO value for companionship and even sex with men even if they gripe about the hardship of not having it. They MUST get men to compensate them for THEIR companionship and sex otherwise they'd rather be alone on principal.

There's a charming film from my childhood "The God's Must Be Crazy" about African life where a monkey decided he wanted to grab some chestnuts that were inside of a tree hollow but he couldn't get his hand out with the chestnuts so he was trapped and captured and, only after captured, bothered to release the chestnuts.

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago

She fails to grasp that most men that made it to their 40's single and successful are NOT going to be willing to buy a house for some past the expiration date pussy and her crotchspawn. As the headline says, those men can afford better...and most importantly, they are old enough to fucking know it.

She wants to marry equal or higher on the economic ladder, she needs to stop being 30+ and having some other dude's kid. Oh wait, she can't.

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Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago

Because women get male attention for their entire lives. Even now there are men who desperately want the attention of this woman. They’re just not the men she wants. But imagine how inflated your ego would be if you had 30 years of women trying to court you. It’s feels over reals. They FEEL as if they’re a good catch. She has had enough hook ups in her 20s, and now she is ready to find a chump to settle with but this is a normal expectation in the current dating market. It's an common expectation once they hit about 30-35. Until then the hope is to find a hallmark movie gigachad who makes 500k a year so they can retire to be a housewife

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NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago

After two years of... approaching men

  • She's been hooking up with men for decades
  • Has a child from another man
  • Has a degree
  • Has a career
  • Is financially self-sufficient
  • Is used to living alone and will not do well living with a man
  • Considers herself be be good-looking
  • Flirts with random men
  • Judges otherwise good men by their choice of job
  • Thinks her town (or anything else but her) is the problem

All these are negatives. Many are exacerbated by the fact that she doesn't consider them as such.

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Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago

I dont know if this additional fact will matter but in her other posts, she admits that her child is biracial. I think it's more of the single mother aspect. know this cute girl that has a kid and right away I think that she isnt into just dating and hanging out and having a good time. She now has to size up every man as a provider and father figure. Every date also has to be planned and arranged around child care. No more spontaneous get togethers. I get free tickets to events as part of a veterans group and a lot of them are within a day or two of an event. I just cant call her and say "Hey I just got baseball/basketball/concert tickets for tomorrow night! lets go." Having a kid reduces your RMV by half. Like I said, this girl is cute and I desire her sexually but there is too much hoops to jump through to get down her pants.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 3mo ago

My wife has 2 slavic women single mother friends who got remarried to financially successful middle aged men who didn't want more kids they met online. Caveats: They were both good looking, have pleasant dispositions, played ZERO games (from what I'm aware), and their children were all in their teens, well behaved and lovely.

If you called them at the last minute to go to an event, it wouldn't be a problem for them: They raised their child to be capable of studying and even putting themselves to bed. Us Gen-Xers were gone until dusk and drank from the water hose. :-)

Additional caveats included one of the guys has, still has, a ratty ponytail and the other is ultra type-A. Like, their house has less stuff lying around than a staging home on realtor tours. It felt like nobody lived there. But they're a match so good for them.

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Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 4mo ago

The degree, career and self-sufficiency are not problems per se. The lack of social media is a huge plus.

The fact that she's got a kid, is demanding high-end courtship from a high-value man who overlooks that gaping liabilty, while being in direct competition with younger, hotter, tighter women... that's probably half the problem right there.

The egotism which keeps dripping off her words might be another big chunk of it as well. Somebody certainly has a high opinion of herself.

She doesn't say she's in shape, also. Sort of a question mark.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 3mo ago

"She doesn't say she's in shape, also. Sort of a question mark."

Great spot. If she doesn't say that she is slim, she is a fucking whale.

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago

She doesn't say she's in shape, also. Sort of a question mark.

My default assumption is that a potential positive as basic and universal for getting top tier male attention as physical fitness blatantly left unadvertised by a woman is a concealed negative. So likely a fatty that is so plump that even trying to lie about it is unworkable, so deception via omission is the next step.

Kind of like Coulter's Law, except for cellulite.

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NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago

The degree, career and self-sufficiency are not problems per se.

Every woman wants to be the shining example and exception to the rule.

It's exactly like age. A 45 year old woman can be more attractive than a 25 year old, but all other things being more or less equal, that's just not going to happen. Queue the ranting of every 45 year old woman "BUT WE HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE AND MAKEUP" or whatever screeching. They all want to be the exception and deny reality.

All other things being equal, a woman with a degree and career is simply less desirable. Everything about college is detrimental to a woman's purpose and MMV. Really, everything. There might be an exception out there somewhere, but I have never seen one. My wife went to college - total waste of time and years of her life she should have been making babies.

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 3mo ago

Agreed. I've been saying for years, a college education and fancy degree are, at best, value neutral. Really, even that's untrue; as you noted, the time and effort invested into obtaining a degree represent an opportunity cost which generally could have been far better spent on other, more profitable endeavors (whether literally or figuratively).

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NotaBene Sr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago

The Boomers were horrible sending all their girls to college because "muh opportunity". I think in my HS graduating class, the district bragged that >95% of students went, many of whom were pressured into it, and most of whom acquired a lot of debt: non-bankruptable, decades-long, soul-crushing debt.

In 1980, the number of women getting college degrees surpassed men, and the disparity has grown every year since. As with marriage contracts, men realized the system did not suit them and have been quietly opting out for decades.

But I totally agree about the opportunity cost. The price goes far beyond dollars, although for a potential husband a negative dowry is not attractive. The average woman acquires sexual experience in college, which is always a negative. She also acquires a liberal, female-centric worldview, and for the first time in her life is outside the umbrella of any kind of male authority. She makes friends with other foolish women, and the "education" teaches her absolutely nothing helpful for the real world (how to be a wife and mother). They come out thinking they are educated, intelligent, independent, and empowered because of a worthless piece of paper. This takes years to deprogram. And of course they don't want to marry a man with less credentials, thereby pricing herself out of the market.

I could go on. I would pay to keep my daughter OUT of college.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 4mo ago

Interesting: she says she owns her home, but then later she says "I am looking for someone that wants to buy a home together"

She is literally looking for a man so that she can upgrade her lifestyle. She wants a better home, she wants to do some 'financial planning', retire early, invest etc.

She is clearly telling everyone that she is looking for money.

They always tell on themselves.

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 4mo ago

Yup. Except men with the requisite funds can buy or lease better women than her.

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First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago

She has lived a man's life and gone out and chased the money and now she wants to be treated as a woman by a more successful man?

What's in it for him?

I can see what's in it for the other guys. But she doesn't want to be the man in the relationship in terms of financial responsibility.

If you want to be treated like a valued woman, live like one, don't try to jump ship too late. Your teachers lied. Women don't get to have it all.

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Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 4mo ago

48 is a specific number. She probably set it 10 years older than herself. Also, based on the fact she didn't mention wanting or willing to have another kid, you can safely assume she is >36. So basically she is a 36 year old single mom with a kid. If she doesn’t understand her genetic value and throws it away, how can you expect her to understand finances. The woman obviously makes poor choices and thus is not a good longterm investment. Women waste so much time thinking they're going to get someone they imagine and when its way too late they settle for some short fat unemployed guy. They could have chosen a guy who was a 6 and been better off by now instead of holding out for an 8 and realizing late in life their only option is a 4 at that point

Any man of worth will already be locked down at that age. Secondly, what does the man get out of this relationship? She supposedly makes good money, but how does that benefit him, especially when she makes it clear that saving is her primary goal. That is a big risk for him to take, since in the likely event of a divorce, there is no way a judge lets him tap into any of "her" savings.

Every single man knows if you involve yourself with a single mother long enough, you are going to be expected to become a father to that child. Unless the kid is damn near an adult and doesn't need a father. You're going to take care of her and her child. And if she doesn't expect a man to take care of her, what does it matter how much money he makes? You already own a home, so why would his money matter as much if you're already established like that? She's realized that her "girl boss single mom that can have it all" life is fucking exhausting and needs to find a way out. And when men don't want to pick up the tab for her life, she shames them as "not good enough". A fucking homeless man is too good for this retard.

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user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 3mo ago

48 is a specific number. She probably set it 10 years older than herself. Also, based on the fact she didn't mention wanting or willing to have another kid, you can safely assume she is >36. So basically she is a 36 year old single mom with a kid.

Nice call out of a specific detail with reasonable analysis.

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