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Forums.Red / WhereAreAllTheGoodMen / Strong Independent Woman

Do I have a knack for finding guys who aren’t ready to date but don’t know it?
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polishknight

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 10mo ago

This is just another great example of a woman that wants 'romance' but doesn't actually want marriage. She's a standard, cookie cutter NPC woman. She wants doors opened and compliments etc (romance) but when she had an actual marriage (4 kids, husband, 2 houses, boat etc) she was bored and wanted more.

This kind of woman will never, can never be happy. She simply can't.

Ladies: ROMANCE is what gets people together. It's there at the beginning of a relationship to bring people together. Loyalty, trust, friendship, love and commitment are the things that HOLD people together.

I can't believe that we are having to explain this to 47 year olds. It should be easy to understand as a 14 year old.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 10mo ago

Not only that, but "romance" as women define it is usually one-way. She "shows up" for dates and the man is supposed to be a party-clown to keep her entertained and fed. Of COURSE women like romance but this is like men finding it "romantic" when women clean our homes while we watch TV.

Some men are brainwashed, IMO, into enjoying romance. It's not something most men do naturally in that if men did enjoy "romancing" women, then why are so many chad-chasing women griping that "real men" don't exist anymore?

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GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

Oh fuck me, here we go again.

No lady, you are not 'intimidating'. You are imitating shit that you want in a guy, and men don't want that in a woman. We don't give a flying fuck if the girl we like is a broke barista. We don't care what degrees you have. We don't care what fucking car you drive, or if you can tear down drywall.

The fucked up thing about this society is how the whole dynamic has been inverted. Now, men are pushed to be soft and emotional pussies, women are pushed to be hard-assed bitches making money and forgoing forming families.

No wonder the replacement rate around the world is plummeting. This program, subroutine, whatever - its a doom loop that we have to break the fuck out of, or quite simply, there will not be many people left just from the aging-out process.

Wouldn't that be ironic, we don't destroy ourselves through technological or other means, we just fade the fuck out like an echo in the night.

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 10mo ago

We're not going to destroy ourselves or fade away but things will get a lot worse before they get better.

The thing about parasitic "progressive" ideologies: they only "work" so long as the civilization hosting them is sufficiently prosperous to allow for such frivolity. All this Boss Babe and victim bux shit will go away real quick once the plantation has driven off so many productive men they can't keep the sewage treatment plant operational anymore.

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GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

True, the only reason these excesses are even possible is due to productive capacity that is being arbed/wasted away by those that don't contribute and produce nothing.

I suppose you could even make an argument for social media upswing being an extension of this, as people who have lives to live don't really give two shits about "maintaining a presence" or being active on that - their immediate social circle would be more than enough.

Just theory, but it occurred to me that this may be an aberration where the online component and the "fake life" facade being projected online at all costs is just an expression of the scads of debt-enabled (and credit) flood of money that is now drying up.

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 9mo ago

Generally speaking, the most interesting people I know don't have social media of any sort. Seems like half of them don't even have smartphones.

Which ain't to say they're technophobic Luddites; most of 'em enjoy watching interesting videos on YouTube or participating in discussions such as I do here. It's the digital equivalent of the old saying, "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 10mo ago

would upvote x10 if I could.

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Wintergreen 10mo ago

Unfortunately you have a knack for being a whore, please take a lollipop as you exit my presence.

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 10mo ago

That was a lot of words to say "I've become a poor facsimile of the man I want and can't figure out why men don't want that in a woman."

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

I see what's going on here. Middle aged divorced guys with custody of their kids would like to have a woman around and are willing to take on a single mother who has no debt, good income, and assets. They probably see it as not a burden if she is financially handling her kids and he is handling his kids. It's a win-win for both of them and the kids. But he's already been burned by the marriage scam so when she brings it up he bails.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 10mo ago

Good analysis and it helps explain why the guys bail.

It's amusing that she fails to see how she violated what she refers to as "the sanctity" of marriage: She looked for an excuse to dump her husband because he couldn't get into a "sex swing" or something kinky and failed to compliment her nails. I doubt she engaged in any of that nonsense with these newer, richer guys she met. She just kicked out a loving, loyal husband out the door for failing to "keep up" with her.

She's living in a delusion that she really wants a romantic marriage. What's the point? She's 47. She's not going to have biological children with any men moving forward and did she mention she's strong and independent? She yearns for something she simply no longer needs and had tossed away.

So when she brings this up with these guys, like you say, she reminds them of what she did to her ex and also, what their exes did to them. She's burned down the sanctity of marriage and pissed on the ashes and now she's hurt she can't monkey branch to another one.

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whytehorse2021 Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

And she's probably old enough to have watched The Brady Bunch. I used to have a Brady Bunch as neighbors and my son was friends with their son. We were supposed to join them for 4th of July but it got canceled because the parents were drunk and fighting. It was always a pain to plan things with their kid because of the shared custody thing. The girls became unhinged party whores too.

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wswZtyqNGQ 10mo ago

@polishknight Do you have the OP here since it seems worth archiving

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It will be archived the way he posted it.

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No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

Damn, after reading all that I realized that it used to take YEARS to vet a woman properly, and now it takes fucking DECADES.

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Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 10mo ago

Do i have a knack for repelling men from commitment?

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 10mo ago

I didn't realize you were trying to get men to commit!

I mean, I knew you were into men. I just didn't know you were commitment-minded.

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Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 10mo ago

Jealous Feggut

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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 10mo ago

I think they look at me and my profile and think "there's a woman who doesn't need a man" and they find that attractive.

I see this is more likely to be a case of her misunderstanding "in spite of" versus "because of." Because I really doubt that men have this mindset at all when it comes to women, and based on her description of her dating life, she is another woman how "intimidates" other men. Not only that, but she keeps finding the men who "just are not ready to date." Which is more likely just a less direct way of saying "I don't want to date you" (this is a practice I disagree with, as being indirect with someone else in attempt to spare feelings just leads to more problems).

Just another case of a woman becoming the man she desires to have herself. It also does not help that she is in her 40s post divorce trying to find a man to marry when most men in her age range are either already married, got burned through divorce and do not wish to seek it again, or just gave up on the idea long ago.

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user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

this is a practice I disagree with, as being indirect with someone else in attempt to spare feelings just leads to more problems

I have no problem with men using this tactic. It has nothing to do with "sparing someone's feelings". It is one of the ways to end a "relationship" for your own protection. They feel good about themselves, you leave it open to "yeah, we can still be friends and have sex", and usually they leave quietly. It is actually exactly what they want.

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

I think they look at me and my profile and think "there's a woman who doesn't need a man" and they find that attractive.

I'd consider that, as the women say, "bare f-cking minimum"?

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Wintergreen 10mo ago

this is a practice I disagree with, as being indirect with someone else in attempt to spare feelings just leads to more problems

So many women could avoid guys becoming angry at them if they understood this. And the feelings are way more hurt later, so it’s not as much about sparing feelings as it is about not having to deal with their feelings. This isn’t really related to the original post but I wanted to give my thoughts on your response.

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 10mo ago

Back in my early-mid 20s I met one of my roommate's friends who I thought was pretty cute. I obviously wasn't subtle about it because the second time we all went out she found an opportunity to privately tell me something to the effect of "I appreciate your interest but it ain't gonna' happen."

Her candor was so refreshing I found it really easy to get over the rejection and we became pretty good friends. We were roommates for several years after that and still get together every Xmas Eve to catch up.

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Weightyboy 10mo ago

Another idiot who has watched pretty woman too many times. And intimidating is womaneze for insufferable cunt

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Land_of_the_losers the-niceguy.com 10mo ago

I feel similarly "intimidated" by the smell of a clogged sink.

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PoopBeast Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

Oh shit, she likes stand-up paddle boarding...

...well in light of that very relevant information, why the fuck is she single? That doesn't make sense...

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Devember 10mo ago

She is peddling that hobby for years, never dipping her toe.

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 10mo ago

She needs to try extreme snowboarding

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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 10mo ago

Her first sentence is golden and basically sums up the rest of it: "I've been doing a lot of thinking about what I want and what I seem to attract and why that is." She is not thinking about why she wants what she wants. That's just a given and no one better dare tell her she should change that part. Nope. The only part she's thinking about is why she attracts what she attracts.

So she's asking for advice on how to change who she attracts, but isn't interested in examining whether what she's looking for is the right / realistic / best thing to look for in the first place.

Of course, she then botches both issues. She wants something wildly unrealistic to her current value. She is a mid-40s, "cute" but not really attractive, divorced mom with 4 kids who are nearly grown. And she is looking for someone probably just slightly older (say 40s-mid-50s) who makes more money than her, who somehow wants an independent woman (why would he, when he makes plenty himself) but treats her like an affectionate, dependent partner. yeah okay...

I guarantee you the men who told her she's intimidating are lying. Even if they are friends, the last thing they want to do is create drama by telling her the truth. She should also ask them if her jeans make her look fat and see what they say. Telling a woman she's intimidating is a nice social lie similar to "it's not you, it's me" that allows you to reject someone by saying they're too good for you. Which, coincidentally, is the other response she gets from men, that they're not "ready for a relationship".

Here's a hot tip: yes, there are men only looking for hookups (just like women), but they usually fuck and chuck pretty quickly. If someone spends 7 months with you, introduces you to their kids, etc. then that guy is not only ready for a relationship, he's been trialing you for it. And you failed. Yes, he'll let you down nicely with the "it's not you, it's me" routine, but it's not true. If an amazing woman who satisfied all of his criteria came down from the heavens, he'd slap a ring on her so fast he'd cause skin burns. Very few people are truly "not ready for a relationship". If a debt-free virgin with no tattoos who looks like Sydney Sweeney and is kind, sweet, and loyal happens to walk down the sidewalk, 99% of avowed bachelors and even MGTOW's would be on their knees proposing. When people say they're not ready for a relationship, the most charitable explanation is that they're not ready to make the type of sacrifices or changes they know they'd need to to make a relationship with you work, which is usually some combination of the sacrifices are too high, the value they get in return is too low, and he believes (correctly or incorrectly) a better offer will be available sometime in the future.

If she's truly financially independent, then she can probably attract a cub with a cougar fantasy, who will live off her money and be her house husband. While she wears the pants, makes the money, etc. But that's not what she wants. She wants a guy who has a better career than her and yet will sacrifice his career when her career demands it, is affectionate and cuddly to her while she can spend most of her time addressing her kids' needs, and is ready to commit, but willing to overlook the hordes of younger women who are also looking for a commitment-minded alpha bucks. And rather than question whether what she wants needs to change, all she's asking is how she might lie about herself ("dumb down" things) so as to snag one (and doing a poor job at understanding what attracts these men anyway). Hope it works out...

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 10mo ago

When people say they're not ready for a relationship, the most charitable explanation is that they're not ready to make the type of sacrifices or changes they know they'd need to to make a relationship with you work

On the one hand, women are masters at making disqualifying statements onto which one simply need add the unspoken "with you."

On the other hand, they're utterly flummoxed when a man they desire treats them in an identical manner.

Irony. Sometimes it's pretty ironic.

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 10mo ago

attract a cub with a cougar fantasy

Ugh. Women ruin everything.

I used to be a cougar hunter. I watched some special on TV about it, excited that something a few of my buds and I did was a national trend. Of course it was a woman doing all the talking, and of course she was barely attractive enough to maybe almost be a cougar (for those following along, cougar is supposed to mean hot older woman). And of course she's trying to introduce a bunch more categories, vocabulary, made-up bullshit, etc.

One of those terms was "cub".

That's way too incestuous for my taste, like when a chick calls you "daddy".

Just, no.

Women ruin everything.

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

and even MGTOW's would be on their knees proposing.

Some. That keyword should be included,

Again: This

The specified person still isnt qualifying in this scale.

We are often quick to throw MGTOWunder the bus or handwave them, but that's not always the case

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 10mo ago

I'm not MGTOW, but if my marriage ends due to death or divorce, I don't see myself marrying ever again. Not even to someone as awesome on paper as what @ogrilla99 described.

Not until the laws are overhauled and reformed (not likely in my lifetime).

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houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 10mo ago

I guarantee you the men who told her she's intimidating are lying. Even if they are friends, the last thing they want to do is create drama by telling her the truth. She should also ask them if her jeans make her look fat and see what they say. Telling a woman she's intimidating is a nice social lie similar to "it's not you, it's me" that allows you to reject someone by saying they're too good for you. Which, coincidentally, is the other response she gets from men, that they're not "ready for a relationship".

This is why I see these "little white lies" as far more damaging than the term implies. Telling her she is "indimidating" instead of giving her the cold truth will mean she will be coming to the wrong conclusion about what she is doing wrong and will take the wrong actions to try and fix the supposed problem while leaving the real issues unaddressed. It is the same thing when young men are told that women are attracted to sensitive and caring men. The men who believe this are going to make choices based on this bad information and not take the actions they should to be more attractive to the women they want.

This is applicable to things outside of the sexual marketplace. It is a disservice to lie to someone to spare their feelings, as it means they waste time when they make decisions and put in effort based on bad information. If you would prefer to have your feelings spared than face the truth, then you deserve bad outcomes.

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 10mo ago

I don't disagree but, generally speaking, what you said only applies to young women raised by good parents who haven't fucked everything up already. The only thing being honest with a used up slag trying to stick the landing off the carousel will accomplish is to identify the particular details about which she needs to lie in order to mislead and entrap a good man who doesn't know better.

Be honest with your daughters. Tell the truth to your children. Not least because other men won't have to; they can simply walk away and let you deal with the fallout.

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wswZtyqNGQ 10mo ago

It is a disservice to lie to someone to spare their feelings

No. Lying to spare feeling is the basis of civility since (as per Sartre) all beliefs are lies. It takes an old and war-weary soul to face oneself and accept that one is at fault for one's own pains.

No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth. - Plato

It's not your job to teach others. And if you try to then you will be punished.

Be honest with your daughters. Tell the truth to your children. Not least because other men won't have to

@woodsmoke

This is the explicit reason for fathers. And the lack of fathers explains why this civilization is one foot in the grave.

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Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

I am so intimidated that I am contemplating buying a solo canoe and paddling around the Boundary Water Canoe Area for a month. If she gets any more intimidating, I may have to make it two months.....

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First-light Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

The man she wants can do better. He can get a childless woman 20 years younger if he wants.

She threw away her husband because he didn't make a fuss of her. She says she never doubted he loved her but he just didn't show it enough. She is going to be a lot lonelier now.

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user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

I suspect she is a fat feminist - a real boner-killer.

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SpiritualEnema Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

Sounds like a fatty to me. Nobody wants to put up with an entitled 47 year old woman with 4 kids.

Also, did you notice how she talked about how much money she makes in her great career, but also how she implied that she “gave up” her savings when she went through divorce. Sounds like she needs a bailout. Form an orderly line for this $pecial prince$$ gentlemen.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 10mo ago

I edited it out, but she said in another post that she had to give her ex-husband some money and properties in the settlement and was "hurt" by that (but of course if she got money in a divorce she wouldn't mind so much :-). I suppose her logic was that she was going to cut bait and get out as cheaply as possible so she'd be free up at age 46 to marry the, quote, "established, financially secure" man she desires while she still has her looks. She values the "sanctity" of marriage, but only when it's the man supposed to stick around.

The problem is that 46 is sort of like trying to sell a Lexus at 200K miles. Yes, they still look and drive great but they may be on their last legs. I fell for an older woman who was 52 years old and she was still pretty hot. She was a pain in the arse though so I broke up with her but I heard from a friend 2 years later what she looked like and he said she had aged like Dorian Grey after his painting was burned. Men her age probably know this and aren't interested in wifing her up.

I chuckled especially at her saying she's "generous" but yet she bemoaned her divorce because she was no longer on her ex-husband's healthcare plan and she had to buy her own. That's probably her main reason to get married as well: To get someone else to pay for her health insurance even as she claims to be making serious money.

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user84893093748959 Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

Based on how she described her marriage and:

I edited it out, but she said in another post that she had to give her ex-husband some money and properties in the settlement and was "hurt" by that (but of course if she got money in a divorce she wouldn't mind so much :-).

She didn't give her ex-husband anything. Joint property was divided. This is one of the major problems with marriage today.

The general opinion among many women is that money and assets are suppose to flow from husband to wife when she decides to cash out. Women believe that divorce is suppose to provide perpetual income while she is free to fuck other men. My ex-wife requested from the courts that I provide for the rest of my life: pay for her education, healthcare, and life insurance.

Her statements (and from any single mom or divorcee) about commitment and loyalty are laughable.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 10mo ago

I appreciate the semantic quibble. I was (I hope) only expressing that she had earned more in the marriage and resented needing to split it evenly with her ex-husband.

Back in the 90's, most men preferred to marry a woman with an income to avoid being stuck with alimony in the event of a divorce but, at the same time as this shows, a woman who outearns you statistically results in a divorce as well. So ideally, the wife should earn perhaps between 50 to 75% what the man does or at higher income brackets, perhaps at least $80K (for those who are of this philosophy).

This poses a statistical challenge to the "strong, independent" woman above in that in her higher income bracket, a high income man is going to simply check a box: "Does she earn at least 80K?" to avoid alimony or her spending all day spending his money and cheating around so anything she earns above that doesn't endear her to him very much particularly if she brings in "sass" or "sarcasm" to the table as well.

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Justanaverageguy 10mo ago

47, 4 kids, still demands Chad. This is a new one! /s

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

Hard to swallow pills: men actually like independent woman, but you aren't actually as independent as you think you are.

(paraphrased the meme about nice guys being not really nice)

Same with generous.

Sacred and special :

Si Señora. But you are neither special, nor sacred. The more later you join my life, the less special, less sacred you are.

The more superior you think you are, the less actually superior you are, and you need to be avoided actively.

i think i am cute enough:

Sure, marry yourself.

financially successful, cooks for me

What does he get in exchange? An entitled dry prune?

I sent a video to my ex about another man

Bitxh wtf. Your relationship is not a dress rehearsal of secondary school where you play the ugly mistress trying to "Teach us" the word of someone else. That shows you hold that person above us - that is immediately a reason to terminate everything.

How in the name of everything holy and you hold dear - how do you come to the idea that telling your man about how other man is more compatible to you is going to inspire him to do anything? That is invading his space. you are quite literally the inside mole.

DONOT EVER DO THAT.

My kids are not the issue

True. you are, you are a single mom. Regardless of where your kids are now, you cant go back to being a virgin any more. You are just an empty cartridge, or better yet: like a german tank mine once the shear wire is broken.

For me its like this: You can't undo your history. You cant first go for one man, give him children, warm his bed, while I do my life alone, and then come back to me and expect me to be the next guy in line. I think for many other it will be similar.

Good catch

WHY? What makes you worthy?

I saw what makes you pricey. But what makes you worthy?

PS: I am looking for good studies in economics and econometrics about goods that are expensive, but are of marginal utility, such as interior decorations. So if anyone has some recommended reading, feel free to do this.

Good salary

Good. Can you pay me, so that I can go do what I want to do? e.g. invest more in synthetic wombs? If not - what benefit does it bring me.

That you have a prune-womb does not motivate me. You dont get to control my personal life and desires. Dont be a gold-rush coupon mafia (i.e. industrialists who gave their workers coupons to buy food - from the shops operated by the same industrialists during the mining boom in the western USA. I need to study this thing more as well )

All in all: For any I aM eStaBlIsHeD NOw woman lurking: Consider reading.

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wswZtyqNGQ 10mo ago

I am looking for good studies in economics and econometrics about goods that are expensive, but are of marginal utility, such as interior decorations.

Ah, what you are looking for is conspicuous consumption, which are items that exist only to be demonstrated as having high price with short-term value. Examples are fashion (since things go out of fashion), lavish furnishings (leather does not last for long), and consumables (desserts with actual gold as ingredients). These are associated best with the terms "orgy" and "meteoric" etc.

For extra credit: Is there an association between conspicuous consumption and the intense publicly-demonstrated desire for a modern woman to obtain an "alpha fucks" boyfriend? Could the thousands of videos of women demanding such a man be considered a form of conspicuous consumption no different than flashing the latest Prada?

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sean_karaya Jr. Hamster Analyst 10mo ago

Exceptional, thank you. I shall formally study this phenomena.

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 10mo ago

Sort of.

Flashing the latest Prada item says "I have this, and it took money for me to get it" (even though it was usually purchased via debt). For all that it's usually phoney-status-signalling, there's still a demonstrable achievement (possessing the item).

When those bimbos say stupid shit like "any man want to get with me he betta [whatever dumb shit]", it's just bullshit posturing. Frequently, their actions betray them.

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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 10mo ago

To any lurking women: some of the shit she says about herself sounds neat, but none of it makes her attractive.

If anything, she sounds like a dude with a vagina.

And no, this isn't "InTiMiDaTiNg". It's just off-putting.

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Silly_birb_returns 10mo ago

Women love euphemisms, changing a bad word like off-putting with "intimidating".

They always think they can make rules for what men should or should not like, the classic "why men my age only look at younger women? They should date in their age which is coincidentally mine."

Women are mad at passport bros not because they fuck better women but because they prove their beliefs wrong.

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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.

In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.

Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.

But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.

Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.

The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.


Rules of conduct:

  • 1. No shaming men for any reason.

  • 2. No white-knighting or NAWALT. This is not a debate forum.

  • 3. No comments such as "Her profile looks decent", "She's not asking for much", "At least she's honest". No comments saying a post is fake without proof. Proof must be sent via modmail.

  • 4. No brigading, doxxing or witch-hunting. Do not look for the individuals posted here, nor ask or give their personal info/social media, nor ask or give the source or you will be banned and reported to the admins. See here and here.

Rules for submission:

  • 5. Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy". (Examples, details)

  • 5b. No posts of women who are merely fat, post-wall, unattractive, seeking sex or money, nor women merely behaving badly. (Examples NOT allowed)

  • 6. No personal information in dating profiles or social media accounts. Take a screenshot and censor all names, social media, hometown, school, and place of work. Additionally, censor any children's faces if their mommy included them in any profile photos.

  • 7. No links to any subreddits or websites, nor crossposts where the OP is a woman. For articles use archive.is. For Reddit use a censored screenshot. Screenshots must contain the full story. No links to any women's Youtube, TikTok, etc. videos. Use Streamable.com to upload videos after censoring them through Musicaldown.com.

  • 8. We accept images from Imgur, Postimage, and ImgBB.

  • 9. Other content may be posted on the weekends. See the types of content we allow.

Recommended reading:

  • Understanding The Purpose of WhereAreAllTheGoodMen

  • Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards

  • OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone

  • Mate Selection for Modernity: Studies show that the more a woman achieves and the higher her expectations grow, the lesser the pool of eligible mates available to her.

  • r/FemaleDatingStrategy advises women to delay sex with good men but freely give themselves to fuckboys

  • Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society

  • Dalrock - They’re back in your 20s where you left them.

  • Kevin Samuels - You're Average At Best

  • Paul Elam - Where the Good Men Went

  • Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me

  • WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.

  • Michael's Story

  • u/where_muh_good_mens' Story

  • "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?"

  • Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.

  • Feminism has succeeded

  • Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore

  • Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?

  • "I’m 43 and Alone – Can I Find a Good Man?"

  • To The Guy I Left In The Friend Zone For Too Long

  • To The Man Who Will Love Me Next

  • The Truth Behind the Increasing Social and Economic Disparity of Modern Society and Why Good Men Are The First To Leave

  • The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market

  • Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel

  • The Life Story of Carol

  • Memes

  • Complete list of resources here.

Link Flair:

  • The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"

  • Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.

  • Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.

  • Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

  • Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.

  • Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.

  • New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.

Content Archive:

  • https://theredarchive.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen

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  • WhereAllTheGoodMenAre
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