Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago Stickied
Disclaimer: Widows are usually given a wide berth because their entry to the dating market later in life isn't their fault, but this one's attitude deserves a prize.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago Stickied
They are usually given such a wide berth that this only the second such woman I can recall featuring.
For those of you who weren't around for the first, I give you Dr. Kerry Kerr McAvoy, PhD, supposed "Christian", even more supposed "relationship expert", and widow.
First post about her, from @Loneliness-inc. This one brought a lot of users' previously-suppressed white knight instinct right up to the surface. Reddit has some kind of bug where stickied comments aren't always actually stickied to the top on older posts, so see my sticky comment here for some responses to those who just saw the word "widow" and stopped seeking further information as they caved to the urge to white knight.
Dr. Kerry Kerr McAvoy, PhD ended up being such a rich source of posting material that @aldabruzzo did three more posts on her: one, two, three.
For those of you with the time, I encourage you to read through them all, including the comments.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I feel like Michael Corleone asking the question: “Where does it say that you can't kill a cop?”
Yes, widows awake like Rip-Van-Winkle suddenly through no fault of their own, but they’re then just experiencing life like us men have for our entire lives. There’s a saying I recall: Life happens to you, how you react to it is your decision. Does she express empathy for men that dating is tough and meet the challenge like an adult, or stomp her widdle feet and declare she doesn’t need men anyway like this one?
Even when they’re rising to the challenge and otherwise likable, their difficulties should be at least neutrally reported (even if not on this page) so that young women understand that the “special” treatment they receive from men isn’t due to her being so “awesome”, or that “ladies” are entitled, but rather they just happen to have peaked in their SMV and it’s all downhill from there. It’s like blinking your lights at oncoming cars so they know there’s a speed trap behind you.
Consider this Bruce Springsteen song:
I had a friend who was a big baseball player, Back in high school He could throw that speedball by you, Make you look like a fool, boy Saw him the other night at this roadside bar, I was walking in, he was walking out We went back inside, sat down, had a few drinks, But all he kept talking about was Glory days
Growing old is painful, for some (MUCH) more than others. We’d all love to be young again (it’s the principle driver for many people’s personal religious faiths). A healthy society including parents need to whisper into their children’s ears: “remember thou art mortal!”
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
I actually feel for my wife in that odds are, I’ll be dead long before here. Life expectancy charts say I’ll be dead an average of 12 years before her. Will she feel lonely in her old age? I hope not.
But I do have a hard time sympathizing with a woman who benefitted from male nature, and then treats those same men with scorn when she stops benefitting from it. Yes, men are attracted to younger women. It’s our nature. We are fundamentally looking for different things in the opposite sex. It’s neither more or less moral, it’s just how it is.
My aunt in law is 49 and just entered a relationship with a man who is 62. Before that, she was with another man 12+ years older. It’s normal. Dudes want to date as young as possible, women want to date as socially prestigious as possible, and you meet in the middle somewhere.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
What I find amusing about this woman is that she's acting as if she just discovered this after going online but says she experienced "men as dogs" back when she was young. So why is she effing surprised? Really? Of course, not ALL men are like that but those are the ones SHE is interested in, of course.
I find it touching that my wife is bitching to me about my health not because she "loves" me, sort of, but rather "Don't you go out on me? What am I going to do then?" So we work out alternate days at Planet Fitness and go to the doctor and get lots of good life extending drugs. Simvastatin is amazing.
There's an old joke that goes like this: A woman takes her husband to the doctor and the doctor takes her aside and says: "Bad news and good news. Bad news is that if you hadn't brought him to me, he would die. He needs to eat healthy, home cooked meals, no nagging, lots of sex, and relaxation. If you do that, he'll live a long time." The husband asks her what the doctor said and she says: "He says you're going to die young."
shockreserve 1w ago
Its interesting and feels very true.
I think I'm going to use that for my Machiavellian purposes.
did you ever think how will you look if you ever go to heaven?
wait for answer
Maturin_nj 1w ago
Also realization of the wall. Not many guys glancing at 65 year olds. This is where the final stage of the wall has taken hold and she becomes invisible to the opposite sex. It's a cruel reversal of nature as a once super attractive woman's SMV gradually plummets to the equivalent of the average 22 year old man.
Look up pics of bridget fonda or Heather Locklear. Pam Anderson. Have all smashed into the Wall and are in or headed toward invisibility - the final stage.
Pic889 1w ago
This rarely gets discussed but it's true. There are stages to the wall:
Determining the exact ages each wall stage appears is left as an exercise to the reader.
Maturin_nj 1w ago
The wall is very real. The first stage is at around 30 with the epiphany. It shows how child like and undeveloped they are to not be able to have earlier foresight. Living for the present in her high flying 20s. The final stage is invisibility by around 60. Weight gains can cause invisibility much earlier.
There are threads on reddit where women discuss the wall. "Whats it like to lose your looks" a couple responses I recall are, "I feel like I lost my super powers", another was "I was able to get any guy I wanted and I did". In general it's emotionally devastating for most of them but not all. Some claim to like not being noticed anymore. This is the minority however.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
It varies. A lot depends on lifestyle, genetics, etc.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
If I had a son, I'd have advised him of men's first wall that came and went, for me, without realizing it: It's when there's suddenly a shortage of sweet, virginal women around you and now you're surrounded by leftovers, corporate nuns, and single mothers.
I had a sweet Polish girl who had a crush on me when I was 18 but I was going through a lot then. I'm glad she found someone else and (last time I heard), she's doing splendidly as a grandmother. These women are sort of like produce at the supermarket: They're gong to get picked up by those who arrive early in the morning and some of them will go home with lousy men and later appear on the market as single mothers. It's often not their fault in that they were young and naive, but who wants groped tomatoes?
Even if you're Gigachad, it's going to be tough to score a 19 year old for a wife if you're 30. I'd advise my son to get bull hormones for height, work out and learn martial arts, game, and such but if he finds a real sweetheart in his teens and we vet her, take the plunge and go for it.
Actually, I'd have advised him if he could make himself a handsome alpha chad, I'd want him to do what Chris Pratt and Arnold Schwarzenegger did: marry Kennedys. I know an Alpha Chad who married a woman whose family owns hundreds of millions of dollars of commercial real estate. His great-great-great grandchildren are set for life.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
I'm in my 40s and have experienced no wall. Most men, if they take care of themselves and have their shit together, only become more attractive as they get older. I catch women as young as teenagers checking me out occasionally.
Back when I was a virgin in my teenage years and saving myself for marriage, I didn't meet a single virgin girl. Pretty much all of them had started fucking as soon as they hit puberty.
Why on earth would any man who knows how the world is even want to get married to any woman at all these days?
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
In answer to your question, I can only attest to how things were in my youth and what I would do in different circumstances. I'd marry a Kennedy if I had Chris Pratt's looks. You can't be divorce raped if they earn more than you do. I married because I wanted children and the "marriage contract", as lame as it is, has helped keep my marriage going for 20 years. That's not for everyone, of course. As an ordinary schmuck, if I could (back in my era) I would have grabbed one of the virgins but I understand that was 40 years ago and times have changed.
Sheesh, I can't believe i deflowered a 33 year old virginal corporate nun. That was back in the days before OLD.
My niece was a virgin when she married her college sweetheart and just had their first child at 25. They are both highly religious and he works as a coach at a religious school and she's a nurse.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
That's awesome, but your niece is an anomaly. So few people waited even back in the 1990s, when I was coming of age.
Mine will be 19 years later this summer. Thing is, back when you and I got married, it really wasn't common knowledge how badly men were getting hosed. It is common knowledge now, hence my question in my previous reply:
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Not being argumentative, but I do want to clarify a broad generalization of "any man": Chris Pratt is a man and married a Kennedy. Do you see ANY problem with that? I'm chuckling because his ex is the cute Anna Faris who perhaps got too argumentative with him or something like that so they went their separate ways and so Chris Pratt married into royalty.
I'd love to watch a Chris Pratt reaction video to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYVZc2-Uf1I
Chris Pratt is basically what the books on chivalry used to be about: Handsome knights who had their pick of the hottest (for the era) daughters of noblemen whose fathers gifted him with huge tracts of land. Would you have a problem with that?
Heck, if I could advise my younger self I'd work out as much as I can, get game, and seduce me a corporate nun with a lot of money, marry her and get her knocked up. If she divorced me she'd have to pay me alimony and they HATE that. My wife's ESL teacher was a professor (did ESL classes for the county) and he married a high income attorney who wanted to brag she married a professor even though he made a fraction of what she did.
Other guys who can still cash in on marriage: Cops, military men, regional airline pilots (those guys are on welfare), or firemen.
Learn the motto of OCP: Good business is where you find it!
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
1) Celebrities go by completely different rules from us plebeians.
2) never forget hypergamy and Briffault's Law: if she's a higher earner than the man and/or wealthier than the man, that man has to bring other things that make her look up to him. I've known a few couples where the wife brings in more money than the man, including my wife and me for the first 5 years we were together and another 3 years midway when I had trouble getting gainful employment. In all of them, the man brings other things than just the beta bucks part of hypergamy, and the woman benefits from those things (so that Briffault's Law is satisfied).
3)
Not really.
Military servicemembers and rescue workers all receive retirement pensions if they make it to retirement.
After a certain amount of time being married, in the event of divorce, the ex-spouse is entitled to a portion of that pension.
This is statutory and cannot be waived by a prenuptial agreement, and is not affected by income or net worth.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
You asked why "ANY" man would get married. I'm giving examples of exceptions. I personally know men who benefitted from marriage including a chad whose wife's parents has hundreds of millions in commercial real estate. Even if he doesn't personally benefit from this windfall, his children will.
Regarding military: There's the joke that goes that single mothers target even the lowliest private for Tri-care military healthcare benefits. One of my exes was a military spouse and she stayed on her exes tri-care. That being said, though, as the supply of well-to-do men for hypergamous career women has dried up, these are the men that they've resorted to in recent years. None of their girlfriends will mock a lawyer or doctor for marrying a cop, military, or regional pilot even if they're cash poor. If she divorces him, she gets half of his half pension but keep in mind he can get half of hers right back along with the house and other assets.
In my exes case, she was a lawyer who represented her husband at the time against his ex who wanted 1/2 of his pension but she would have been required to give him alimony which would have negated it so she waived the pension since she didn't want to be shamed by paying him alimony.
Consider this: As women increasingly become hypergamous on appearance, the 10%, even 5% of "acceptable" men will be able to write their own ticket. Why shouldn't these men want to marry for money? That's how it was back in chivalrous times when "ladies" had to have huge tracts of land to get the attention of a knight.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
You know, I sure did.
Let me rephrase then:
Why on earth would any normal, average, not-famous, not top-tier man who knows how the world is even want to get married to any woman at all these days?
I'm glad to see that you acknowledge them as such. This sort of shit is quite rare.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
The next stage of RP thinking will be when men with one or many of these capabilities restore hypergamy to what it was meant for: Knights marrying ladies with huge tracts of land.
The religious man who married my very religious niece in their early 20's wasn't "normal". I wasn't a "normal" American when I married my wife. I often wonder why we don't have many American friends and it's probably because we aren't "normal" by American standards and this a good thing.
The word "normal" is what matters: Men who are normal are generally going to be associated with "normal" women and "normal" women are a liability to marry so with that caveat, fully agreed.
What's "normal" today isn't healthy. I wouldn't have been so persnickety if you hadn't used the word "all" in your statement.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 1w ago
I used the word "any", not "all".
:P
First-light 1w ago
If she is disappointed that men of all ages tend to only be sexually attracted to women of fertile ages, whatever you don't tell her what those bears are doing up in the woods, that will dismay her even more and then I don't think she will like bears either.
What are they doing with girl's education these days? The male sex drive does not exist to give free entertainment to women. It exists to reproduce. Women can hijack that drive to get free stuff, men and women can abuse it for entertainment but surely someone should tell women the facts of life?
No-Stress-Cat 1w ago
That's all she has now, and she done spent it on social media. At least she has her late husband's Social Security to fall back on.
BobbingForBunions Sr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Men will always be attracted to flesh that is:
Women might be repulsed by that reality. But their disgust (and shaming) will never change it.
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
So, men are "dogs" and she's happy being single for the rest of her life.
Happy enough, that she joined a online dating site to check out the offerings.
The real story here is she's way past her sell-by date, and she is disgusted that men want youth and beauty.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
At that stage in life, people truly are set in their ways and there's not much need for "romantic love". Sex drives are low and there's little energy left to engage in massive change for a long term relationship. What's strange about this widow is the bad-mouthing she did of her husband. All widows I know had pleasant things to say about the deceased even if they were not ideal spouses. What makes marriage valuable later in life for these women are the connection to youth: It's a man who knew her when she was young and in his eyes, he'll still "see" that woman. That gets me to thinking how differently men and women approach marriage: We will compromise and "settle" to see the good qualities in a woman and make things work as a form of romanticism and then we see that young woman in our eyes for life.
Modern women are taught to criticize men, to look for things to complain about to get more goodies, and then to be miserable like someone looking to score a discount at a store. It makes their relationships miserable like someone picking through their food looking for something wrong in it.
sean_karaya 1w ago
That is the important part, but i'd add that the woman added romance to his life when he was young as well. Because otherwise, if a young woman comes in the life of an older man, then there's not much left besides a quick bang.
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
Something to keep in mind when this woman engaged in courtship during her formative years: In the early 1980's, there were still plenty of jobs for (American) men, housing and healthcare was cheap, and men could make awkward approaches to women at work or school and not have their lives destroyed.
It was possible for men to feel, even if it wasn't real, that there was a mutual romance going on and she was being sweet and kind.
Fast forward 45 years later in a DeLorean and these guys have either been divorced or witnessed it with others, seen the culture and economy go to hell, and are disillusioned in general and this woman is the same way: She brings to the literal table a list of demands and criticisms she's built of men in general including the man who died.
I'm reminded of the film "Hot Tub Time Machine" where the guys go to their childhood ski-resort and it's all run-down and nasty and they're old. This is "progress".
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
Men will give a girl a chance if she is just a barista. Women won't give a guy the time of day if he's grinding it out at a (in their eyes) low-status job, like construction.
Online Dating Apps have made it worse of course, most women will swipe left on hundreds of men before selecting ONE to maybe mess around with, and even that guy can get chucked over the shoulder for her miles-long 'ick' list. Guys are more fair, most men will swipe on a much larger percentage, and it isn't just because of the need to have sex.
I know how this will resolve, but it will take longer than I have on this planet, so I'm just resigned to the shitshow. The women carrying the torch for egalitarianism at the cost of all else will learn too, but not until much later in their lives.
Here's to the decline. My glass is full, I'm good.
shockreserve 1w ago
Women wont learn anything, or just a few of them will be able to snap out.most likely being shown how to.
Womem lost leadership, this is easier for them to turn obedient to system /hivemind then to come back on the right track, since they would need new leader, this being most likely a man, he would have to first unwind damage and then lead which is too much for single person vs hive mind / system doing otherwise.
Only men will learn (in the true sense).
polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1w ago
I'm reminded a line by Paulie Walnuts in The Pine Barren's episode where they take a Russian guy out of a trunk and make him dig his own grave and Paulie smiles and tells him: "I wasn't going to kill you if you didn't mouth off. Let that me a lesson for ya." Er, that's a real useful lesson at that point in time, isn't it?
The tragedy for women is that by the time they learn about their mistakes in youth, it's often too late for them to profit from them or the effort for them is too much for them to handle.
GimmeTheUsual Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
For them, yes.
But given the proclivity of women in general to document their misery on TikTok and elsewhere, it also can stand as a testament to living a way that guaranteed failure. So in that way, future generations of women can learn from these "dead end" women.
sean_karaya 1w ago
It is also very dismaying, that the old women wouldnt give a s*t about some of* us now-older men, when we all were younger.
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 1w ago
So sour grapes do not make for good wine?