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Forums.Red / WhereAreAllTheGoodMen / Leftovers

Shocking! A woman lies about her age. She finds out that almost 40 disqualifies her from men looking for children. 3 weeks later same profile with a lower age
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Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

These are the same women who complain that men lie about their heights on dating apps but women lying about their age is fine?

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woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 1y ago

I almost want to give this one some backhanded props; at least she's getting bent out of shape over an immutable figure (age) rather than one entirely under her control (weight).

'Course, even in that she still misses the mark, as she had literally decades during which she could have found a good man with whom to settle down and start a family before reaching this point. I don't know about the rest of you, but I didn't grow to 6'4" by 18 then magically begin shrinking every year until I hit my current height of 5'8".

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Bob_and_Virginia Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Wow! A female Benjamin Button. Guinness World Record indeed!

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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1y ago

She's not 35 and she's not 39 either. She looks to be mid-forties at best. The giveaway is setting to 39. She wants to pass under the age 40 filter. She probably started with her real age, saw that the only guys looking for 40+ women on OLD were either 60+ year old guys or other "undesirables" and no reasonable guys her age or a few years older were biting.

So she changes her age to 39 and now at least gets to be seen by the guys she's targeting: mid-to-late 40 year old guys that might still be interested in having kids. But once she gets the truth bomb that even though those guys see her, they only see her as a smash-and-dash and no way are they interested in having kids with someone that old, she lowers her age to 35. Why not 34? Because she actually isn't looking for younger guys. Guys in their late 30s / early 40s still know they have time to settle down, and won't be in as much of a rush as she is to get into a relationship and have kids.

If she sets her age to 34, and manages to snag let's say a 39 or 41 year old guy, and he somehow doesn't run away when they find out her real age, they're still going to slow walk the relationship. They'll want a few years to get to know her, etc. before considering marriage, and even after marriage, they might not be in a rush to have kids.

She doesn't have time for that. She ideally needs a late-40s guy who's in as much hurry as she is to settle down and have kids (guys can biologically have kids into their 80s, sure, but most guys don't want to be doing drop-offs at kindergarten while in a wheelchair). Keeping her age at 35 gets her the right age range / desirability level that she's shooting for.

Unfortunately for her, even that level is too high (not to mention, she's lying about her age). But she will continue to refuse to believe that, thinking instead that it's the guy's fault for being so superficial about age and deciding lying about it is the best way to go about starting a long-term relationship with the future father of her kids. Yeah, sounds like a great plan.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

I was 42 when I came back on the market (divorce rape). There was no way I was ever going to even consider a deal like hers. I had 2 kids already, which was all I needed.

So I eventually settled on a great looking woman 9 years younger than me, with no kids and the deal was that we weren't having kids. She's beautiful, highly educated, a great earner and she makes my life better.

I don't think women understand just how much the shoe is on the other foot at age 40. Men are not interested in women of age 40 that want to have kids. No man wants that.

If I had wanted more kids at age 42, my cut off in terms of age would have been about 26.

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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1y ago

I agree with you, but here's the thing, you and I are not the vast majority of men. While we talk about attracting 20-somethings, etc. that's not the reality for most men, simply because most men don't do the work on themselves (lifting, career, game, whatever) to attract those women. Many of these guys do still want to have kids. But they don't have the option of picking a hot 26 year old. If you hit your mid-40s and still want to have kids, you start getting desperate, because the biological clock is ticking if you actually want to have kids and see them become adults and settled in life before you die. Many of these guys do have decent money but still can't attract women and so are resigned to finding an older woman and then hoping fertility treatments can compensate for her age. The fertility industry is massive, and most of it is not single women trying to become mothers.

The second thing is that even she understands that at some point, she will have to reveal her true age. If she lists her age as 26, and gets a man who expects her to be that age, fertile and able to have 2 or 3 kids, she has no chance of convincing him to stay after he knows the truth. OTOH, if she lists her age as 35, a guy who dates her at least has already accepted that he will be having kids with an older woman, where they will be lucky to have 1 kid, will likely need fertility treatments, etc. At that point, she has a fighting chance of getting him to stay when she reveals she's actually 42 or something.

Bottomline is that what we're seeing here is the interaction of 2 people who are both in a bind. Neither is the others' first choice. Of course a 45 year old man who wants kids would love to have a 26 year old wife. But if you haven't spend the better part of the last 2 decades building yourself up and taking care of yourself, you're not going to attract her. And it's not going to happen after a 6 month boot camp of some sorts. Life is not a training montage from the movies, where you can go from everyday schlub to karate champion in 5 minutes :-). So these guys are resigned to the fact that they will need to find someone lower tier, like an older woman where even having kids isn't guaranteed, but at least it's higher chance than not even trying.

This women, OTOH, would love to be able to pass herself off as 26. And maybe in her deluded mind she thinks she's physically as attractive as one ("I'm a ballerina!") especially because hot guys still fuck her for the chance to brag to their friends that they nailed a ballerina. But she understands that a man looking for a 26 year old potential mother will toss her to the curb. But perhaps a man who's resigned to having kids with a 35 year old woman might still stick around when she reveals she's 42 after he's spent a few months seeing how "awesome" she is.

Putting her age lower is truly a waste of her time, because none of those guys will stick around. Putting it at 35 at least gives her some (low, but nonzero) chance of getting a guy who will stay. The real question at this point though, is whether she's truly accepting of the type of guys who will take her deal. The 45 year old 6 foot tall hedge fund millionaire who is still okay with having kids will marry that 26 year old. The 45 year old short, balding, pudgy, boring tech worker who makes $60k (poverty wages in Manhattan, which means she'll have to move out to the lower middle class suburbs of NYC) might take her as his last chance to have kids. Is she ready to accept that guy?

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

"Is she ready to accept that guy?" I'm guessing NO WAY.

I'm not sure that there are any 'tech workers' at 45 making only $60k in NYC. The starting pay is higher than that. There aren't that many 'tech workers' of 45 years old at all, and those that have made it to 45 are going to be on multiples of $60k.

I'm just trying to think of what kind of guy she might be able to get in NYC? I cant really picture it. Maybe some guy that is her own (real) age, and on her kind of income level (I'm guessing that her income is about $40-80k as a ballet teacher, again, poverty wages in NYC). So a guy that is not tall, handsome, six pack etc.

Her male equivalent would be some guy that is 44, makes $60k, not educated, maybe unskilled trade, never been married, not very attractive.

Do you really think that she will have the humility to settle down with him? I don't think so. I think her only chance of a future is a guy that is about 15 to 20 years older than her (so about 60). And those guys do not want more kids.

Which puts her in a bind - guys her own age that have no money but would like to try for kids OR much older guy with money that does not want to have kids.

Which do you think she will pick?

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

In all fairness, she's not bad looking (risk of rule 3, but hear me out!) in that back at that age I would have hopped on that with the caveat that she have reasonable standards. There are men out there that would give it a try with her, but her problem is that most of them look like me. Her problem is that the top-grade men willing to try-her-out-for-a-ride are just that: They're not going to commit to baby-making for at least 2 years, maybe, if all works out.

As you point out, the shoe is on the other foot in that young women could play the "I'll waste your time and money game because I have tons of attention, tee hee!" so if you were a guy and didn't like approaching dozens of women, paying for dozens of meals, all for a chance of getting laid, you were out of luck. At 40, the men can afford to take their time to decide whether to wife up a woman and he wants to have his fun too.

Also, as others point out, she's now being hit by the dating app filters that say all men below 6 feet are "shorties" and now she's in the 40 to 49 age group. She lies on the dating app about her age and may gripe that the 6 footer is only 5'10". How dare men lie!

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

I'm going to politely disagree with you here Polish - she is horrific looking. She looks like a horse, AND she looks deranged. In her beach picture, you can see that she is a scrawny hag, with the body of a 13 year old boy, but with saggy skin and wrinkles. If she were the last woman left on planet earth, I'd still be happy to do without.

I think you have still not fathomed just how dire her position is - you say that her problem is that most of the men that are interestd in her 'look like me' (you're probably being too modest!). Her real problem is NOT that she doesn't want the men that want to wife her up and have kids.....her issue is that there are NO men that want to wife her up and have kids with her. She has hit the wall 15 years ago, and how she has hit the ceiling.

there ARE guys her age that want to settle down and have kids, but they would not even look at her. Those guys (age 45) that have left it a bit late and now suddenly want to have kids would never consider her, for the following reasons

  • She is a terrible bet when it comes to fertility. I can practically smell the infertility from here. Her womb is toast, from a life time of yo yo dieting, excessive excercise and decades on the pill. A woman that has not had kids by 40 is very very unlikely to be able to conceive.

  • she is a terrible bet even for a friendship or LTR without any kids or even sex. She appears to be deranged and unable to face reality.

  • there are so many better alternatives than her. there are millions of women under 30 with fantastic ovaries that are dying to have children.
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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1y ago

agree with @polishknight that methinks you discount hoflation :-) Yes, there are millions of under 30 women who want to have kids. And they're all waiting for Prince charming while rejecting good guys (and fucking bad boys to pass the time).

Ask a 26 year old woman who wants to have kids "someday!", especially someone in a city like NYC that encourages female delusions, which choice they'd make: 1) Marry a decent but unexciting 45 year old man who wants to have kids right away 2) Wait another year for that perfect Prince Charming who's just around the corner, to come sweep her off her feet and make all her dreams come true! And spend the year fucking ex-cons or that dreamy poet while you wait?

In the past, when parents had a much bigger say in their kids' marriages, they'd probably be able to assess the situation rationally. If they weren't of the same socioeconomic class as that billionaire finance dude, they knew the chances of Prince Charming coming along were low, and they'd push their daughter to marry the boring but good guy who will take care of their daughter, provide a decent but not glamorous life, and raise a happy family with kids.

But that's gone out the window. Modern women think that a guy making $500k is no big deal, and is indeed "average" in cities like NYC (it's not, not by a mile), and that they're worth at least that even as they've become clinically obese and have atrocious personalities. Every modern woman thinks that Prince charming is just around the corner (a delusion promoted by OLD; maybe in real life you understand that you don't even know where to meet finance guys, so the chance of snagging one is slim. But everyone is on OLD, so you never know, he might be the very next profile you swipe on!). So they'd rather wait for that perfect guy they feel entitled to and that they know is coming any day now, rather than "settle" for someone.

If you had a crystal ball that predicted the future with perfect accuracy, and you could tell a modern woman that she will for sure end up single at 40, then maybe, maybe you could change her behavior. But no woman believes this. They think if they can hold out for another 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, then for sure they'll find their dream man by then. And then they find themselves at 40 wondering what happened.

This woman is a prime example. I agree she's not attractive now, but she was probably good looking in her 20s. A hot, fit, ballerina in her 20s in Manhattan? She had lots of great guys who would have been ecstatic to marry her and have kids. She rejected them all. Maybe she didn't want to get married yet (still working on her career). Or maybe she did, but was gambling on scoring that billionaire. Either way, she was precisely that young fertile woman that wanted to have children, and not only did she not choose the boring but stable guy, she preferred staying single!

And that's the real tragedy. Sure, if a woman genuinely had 2 different guys proposing marriage, one Prince Charming and one a normal guy, by all means, pick Prince Charming. But these days, if the choice is normal guy vs nothing, most modern women are choosing nothing: either they'd rather live alone, or they think they'll have another chance at the roulette table soon, so why pick now.

So bottomline is that the stats show those millions of young women are choosing no one, rather than being with an average or even somewhat above-average guy, willing to take a gamble on getting the unicorn and bombing out when they don't. So if you're a normal guy who wants kids, what do you do?

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

great Stuff.

You're right on all accounts. But one thing you didn't mention - its not so much that young modern women have to choose between prince charming or ordinary guy - they are choosing between 'dating' and being married. Dating means bascially an online existence where EVERYTHIGN is a dating app... you have to realise that its not just OLD where a young woman does her 'dating'. It's every single app.

Modern women live their lives online. They post pics of themselves, and they get swipes, likes and DMs. A modern woman gets so much validation from her online life. Just a single pic on Insta, an over the shoulder pic of her fat ass in tight yoga pants, could get her 50 to 500 likes, notifications and heart emojis.

Say she gets 1,000 units of validation from her online life. A husband can only provide so much validation. So....why would a 25 year old MW get married? the first thing the husband is going to do is say 'you can't be posting pics of your ass on the gram if you are married'.

The choice MW face is 'settling down' OR being a whore on SM, and they are all choosing the one that provides the most validation.

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

Hello Lone_Ranger. How old are you? Something later generations fail to realize is hoflation. The MILF I banged back in 1993 who came of age in the 1960's had clearly hit the wall, but she was a much better conversationalist than women of my age back then. She had read books (instead of just watched TV), and dressed feminine. Her grown daughter was actually less pretty than her. A lot of young women today, "millions of them", are bad bets in their own way, sadly.

I appreciate your point but I think mine is more powerful: Even if there are men that do want her, she is stuck due to her own mental impediments. Men jump through hoops to get sex while women, particularly older women, have to jump through hoops to get commitment.

Women who spent their lives never considering commitment seriously have a serious mental impediment in that they don't understand the concept of hoop jumping. All they've experienced are hot men they jump into bed with or men jumping through hoops for them and "relationships not working out" so they just start another one. She has been in the "trial demo 30 day" mode for her whole life. She doesn't know how to close a deal.

She now faces a conundrum that if she starts out with "Let's talk about marriage" on a first date, it's like a man asking about when they'll shag before the waiter even brings the glasses of water. Us men had to learn some hoop jumping, but we had years, even decades, to figure out how to clown game a woman into bed but she's Cinderella at the ball and it's 2 minutes before midnight.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

That is an excellent point (about her not having ever learnt how to jump hoops). I think we're both right in a way - we're not in opposition.

Her whole life has been a life of deranged over entitled demands. In that sense, her current situation is no different - she is now demanding a man that wants to have kids (but no man that wants to have kids wants her).

My point was that I don't think men that don't want kids would want her either.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

Hi Polish - forgot to answer your question - I'm early 50s. UK based.

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redblow22 1y ago

The neck never lies.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

the neck of truth.

I find that the hands are also all revealing. They can't seem to invent make up that makes hands look young.

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Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Wait until they make a neck and clavicle filter.

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MelkorHimself Mod 1y ago

What is her Guinness World Record for? The ballerina who put off child rearing the longest?

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

2021 Record Holder: Most unrealistic dating expectations. 2022 Joint Record Holder: Loudest screech ever omitted (during a dinner date when a suitor proposed a 50:50 sharing of the bill) 2023 Crowned Ms Entitled: most entitled woman in NYC

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Oddest-One-Here Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Maybe it's for the number of times she has lowered her age on dating apps.

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maseboogie Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

That man in the chat is a legend. This is right up there with the tape skipping at the Milli Vanilli concert.

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ObliviousDuck Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

It's funny because she actually looks older in the second picture.

And by that I mean more than 3 weeks older you smart asses.

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No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

It's funny because she actually looks older in the second picture.

Unfortunately for her, 3 weeks in Woman Geriatric Time comes out to about 3 years looks wise.

It's also probably because she used a picture of her 39-year-old self on her 45-year-old profile.

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Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Youth, reproduction, fertility: it all ties into sexual attraction. It never ceases to amaze me that women and especially feminist are literally trying to tell men that our feral, primal lizard brain, our subconscious is wrong. I read a comment from a girl that said "feminism is about equality because I shouldn't be judged on my age and looks." I think she said the quiet part out loud.

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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1y ago

"feminism is about equality because I shouldn't be judged on my age and looks." ...while preserving the right to judge a man by his height and wealth.

FTFY

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polishknight WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

I respond to such trite saying with "If feminism was about equality, they'd call it egalitarianism."

Nothing against a woman wanting to have a child at age 40 anymore than, say, a guy who works as a clerk at walmart wanting to marry a decent looking woman and have a family. It's just tough, that's all. I like to say there are few "real" incels or inspins. It's just a matter of making touch choices. Analogy: She's goofed off all semester and has 2 weeks left to study for the finals. If she busts her hump and drinks red bull and burns out her retinas, gets tutors, and lives on 6 hours of sleep she can pull a C+. But this gal probably wants to get a B with only an hour of study for the next two weeks and that's not going to happen.

I had my daughter at the age of 50, my wife was 40. I bawled like a baby when I saw the sonogram. I knew I was lucky but I also worked hard for that result to happen. Being 50 was a mixed bag. I couldn't move as fast in my 20's, but I was certainly more wise in how I moved. It's ok if she wants to be a mother, but I doubt she has the oomph to put in the effort needed: Back when I was dating my wife, I looked up my competition on a dating app and saw a 5'2" tall surgeon. Sheesh! If I told my wife she would have dumped me and grabbed him but this gal probably wouldn't want him. There are (few) real incels or inspins. Just folks who aren't willing to make tough choices. This gal could find a decent man with income to wife and knock her up in under 2 years, but she probably is holding out for men that would have passed her by a decade ago.

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GimmeTheUsual Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Fucking hell, those eyes already have that disapproving-glare-at-some-minor-slight in them, with a mix of crazy.

Beach lover eh? Shouldn't have been frenching the sand so hard it abraded your skin into a wrinkled mess.

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

She's still not very smart, she should have done 34 to get under the 35 cutoff.

Granted a truly smart woman would not expect to successfully hold out for a "6'13" Neurosurgeon cowboy who wants kids" tier man when she herself is already perimenopausal at best.

And we can tell that's what she is holding out for since she's still single and put "NYC Ballerina" on her profile....which is a coded way of saying "massively inflated expectations" since ballerinas tend to retire before hitting middle age just like any other athlete.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

Ballerinas are washed up at 25, unless they are celebrities. This woman has been coasting for the last 20 years (she is actually 45) as teacher.

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

Yeah when they cling to a status they clearly no longer hold, it's a red flag just like lying about their age.

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nicknack 1y ago

I don’t know how many guys are cutting off at 35? I feel like most of us are cutting off at 30, and some of us 22 (if you want to actually have fun).

Unless you’re over 55 maybe.

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No-Stress-Cat Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

According to the feminist "age rule" it's your age divided by two plus seven is the youngest you should date. So, a 50-year-old could date a 25 + 7 = 32-year-old woman at best.

I'd argue that the feminist "age rule" applies only to women, and for men your age divided by two plus seven is the OLDEST you should date.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

Have a close look - this woman is 45. She is as deluded as they come. Its a field of dreams mentality.

She looks like a horse.

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Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1y ago

Him: I'm sure you had plenty of opportunities [to find someone to have a kid with] but you made the choices you made

Wahmyn: I actually didn't

You didn't huh, really now? You're a ballet dancer at "freelance". Wtf is that? You didn't slave your 20s and 30s away in a career woman career climb it seems like, so what did you do with your last 22 years from 18-40?

She's making it sound like she was a nun chained to a cross in some population of 27 village, what do you mean you didn't have opportunities or choices?

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

She's making it sound like she was a nun chained to a cross

Welp, that sounds like an idea for a new best-selling barely concealed BDSM porn novel. 50 Shades of Pillory. Basic bitch Nun with a personality like wet cardboard gets spanked by a billionaire.

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nicknack 1y ago

One small note - girls start dating at like 12-14 in America. One of my closest friends in high school married the girl he got with in 8th grade, when she was like 12 or 13. So we can’t act like these old hoes are losing their virginity at 18.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

She thought that she could put the men that she wanted on ice while she pursued her personal dreams.

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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1y ago

She lived in NYC with tons of guys in the income bracket she's looking for. And most likely, lots of them took her up on the chance to nail a ballerina. It's a fetish occupation that you can brag about to your buddies, sort of like sport fucking a gymnast or a stripper.

When she says she didn't have the opportunity, she's saying she was deprived of the right to "choose" amongst 6ft tall millionaire hedge funders that she wanted. Sure, there are 4 million guys in the city, but if the world makes her choose among anyone besides the top 0.001% of that group, then it's coercion akin to rape, and it certainly doesn't mean she has any responsibility for not choosing someone earlier.

I mean, if a homeless man starves to death because he refuses to eat the leftovers that people hand him, or the bland cafeteria-style food served in the soup kitchen, that's not his fault and he has no responsibility for his own hunger. I mean, he would have happily chosen a meal if only someone presented him several Michelin-starred chef creations on a silver platter. So obviously he's open to eating. It's the world's fault really, for not providing the choice in meals that he deserves. (Also, even on his deathbed, starving and anorexic, he'll still look down on his homeless buddies who do eat what they can get and therefore at least go on living while he's dying).

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Seagram7 Jr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

You didn't huh, really now? You're a ballet dancer at "freelance". Wtf is that? You didn't slave your 20s and 30s away in a career woman career climb it seems like, so what did you do with your last 22 years from 18-40?

That's what makes me shake my head with that are in their late 30s and above. You had, give or take a few years, almost 20 years, TWENTY YEARS to find a man and settle down. I was feeling deeply sorry for this woman I know. She is about a 4 on the looks scale who is sweet, kind and very religious. She has gone to private religious schools her entire childhood and has been part of her church for her entire life. She is pushing 40 and is taking care of her Dad and his days are numbered. For now it's just her and her Dad and no one else.

I just realized that her situation is entirely her fault. There are men out there even now that would marry her. What the hell was she doing during her 20's? That she didn't have multiple opportunities? There wasn't even ONE MAN at the church she attended her entire life that showed interest?

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Justanaverageguy 1y ago

I can look at her pic and tell you she’s the type to act like a total bitch on a date and would sit there like she was bored to death. Unless it was with Chad ofcourse. The problem is Chad ain’t coming calling anymore and be damn sure ain’t taking her out, so the regular guy she’d be lucky to snag she would look down on while rolling her eyes and wasting his time. I know this type of women well, her age and her looks gives it away. She’s in denial that she can still compete. She will be on the apps for the rest of her life, making a new profile every month. How much you wanna bet?

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

She’ll still get attention. Tons of attention. Of course, I know the kind of men that she’ll get attention from. She should feel good to get one of those men, but you know that she won’t.

They’ll get tons of matches and messages. They’ll “choose” the best “match” for them, which will inevitably be the most handsome, charismatic dude. He’ll keep her amused for awhile; 3 months, 6 months, 12 months. Who knows.

Then she’ll start to push for something “more”. Suddenly, he won’t be as fun anymore. Suddenly, because he’s “intimidated” or something, he will break up with her.

Wash, rinse, repeat until she’s not even attractive enough to sport bang. The rest of her life will be spent trying to finesse her siblings out of their share of the inheritance and mooch nieces and nephews. Or adopt a kid when she’s 45 and raise them up to be a son husband.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

mostly you're right, but I'm not sure that she will be able to get a guy. She's in NYC. This is THE most competitive market place for women. I read a while back that about 360,000 young women arrive every year in NYC. Most of them are university graduates. They are all early 20s, mostly pretty good looking. All on the hunt for men. NYC has the most lopsided gender distribution of anywhere in the USA, because it has so many 'chick' jobs. And it also has the highest homosexual count, which means a lot of men off the market or outnumbered.

If you're a guy in NYC, and you are her age (45 at a guess) you would INSANE to even look at her. if you are moderately successful and ok looking, you are going to set your filters (OLD or IRL) at 30. A 45 year old guy that wants kids should be looking at women who are 30 in NYC. There are NO shortages of women that will jump at the chance, because they know its their one and only chance.

The men that will be looking at her (45 years old, horse face, no tits, no ass) will be men over 60. Which she doesn't want.

Cats and Whine.

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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1y ago

Actually, I respectfully disagree. I've lived in lots of cites in the U.S., including NYC. NYC is the easiest city in the world for women. Why do I say that? Because it has the highest concentration of the type of guys that girls want: millionaire finance guys, top notch lawyers and doctors making bank, basically anyone who is at the pinnacle of their field is in NYC (barring a few fields like tech in SF, or entertainment in LA; and even there, NYC guys are not slouches). Yes, competition is fierce for these guys, but NYC is the only city where you have even half a chance of meeting someone like that. Meanwhile, women don't have to be hot to come to NYC. Sure, they need a good college degree or whatever to work there, but most NYC fields don't require a woman to be hot.

IOW, when rating competitiveness of a city, you have to control for the natural desirability of the guys (and girls). It's not going to be easy to snag a hedge funder anywhere in the world. But it's probably easier in NYC than anywhere else because at least there are a lot of them and the women (aka your competition) aren't supernaturally good looking or anything (although they may be smart and have other qualities that guys might look for). In contrast, sure, it's easy to find a guy in podunk Arkansas, but that's because the average guy there is a meth head with 2 good teeth (apologies to anyone from AR :-). If that's who you're looking for, then you can find them in NYC too, and they won't be hard to snag (probably less competition for them than in AR).

IMHO, the actual city that's the hardest for women is LA: you have to be hot to make it as a woman in LA (not just in Hollywood, but thanks to the competition of the hordes of women trying to make it in Hollywood, even non-Hollywood women feel the need to keep up), while the guys don't have to be rich. They can be surfer dudes hanging out at the beach, or struggling actors waiting tables into their 50s and still live in SoCal. As a result, you can be just an above-average guy (in income and looks) and snag women that would be considered models or smoking hot dime pieces anywhere else.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

It's easy to get fucked. It isn't easy to get married.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

I knew a girl who was a year ahead of me in HS. She was wicked pretty. Moved to LA to make it in entertainment journalism. Used to even be an LA Kings cheerleader.

Back in the day, her social media was all over the place. Now, she’s basically AWOL on social media. No idea if she’s even alive.

Being a 9 is great. But it’s nothing when you’re surrounded by 10’s.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

He red pilled the FUCK out of her.

But let this be a lesson - women won't hesitate to lie about something as important as this if it gets them what they want. I mean, what the fuck was she going to do if she met a man, keep up the charade and hide her age indefinitely?

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MelkorHimself Mod 1y ago

He red pilled the FUCK out of her.

Not quite. He gave her factual information, but she didn't accept it. Being red pilled is acknowledging what the truth is regardless of how it makes you feel. She subsequently, however, doubled down and lied to attract more potential mates. That is blue pill behavior.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

I stand corrected!

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Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 1y ago

keep up the charade and hide her age indefinitely?

Trickle truth her age until she thinks he is so invested that he won't leave when he finds out

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nicknack 1y ago

Women will generally do or lie their way to anything without any remorse, to get what they want. It’s part of their evolution. They had to learn to adapt being the weaker sex, weaker physically than even male children.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

If you didn't' know better, you'd feel sorry for her. All alone, desperate for a child, nobody interested.

And then you would think of all the guys that she passed over. All the decent guys that would have been happy to wife her up when she was in her 20s (I'm guessing she is actually early to mid 40s). But no, they weren't tall enough, rich enough, trendy enough, popular enough etc.

I don't think there is a market for her at all. After mid 40s, everything dries up. She might keep expanding her 'tolerances' upwards, accepting older and older dudes, with less and less money and less tall.

Eventually, she will have to approach Bob, in desperation (money is running out). Bob is 63. He's 5'3, balding, and has a beer belly. He's flat broke. And not even Bob is interested. You know why? Because Bob has peace in his life. And he's not interested in drama and lies. And he doesnt' want to be anyone's plan B, let alone anyone's plan Z.

Bob may be old and washed up, but he's not a patsy. He's not a mark. He's got some pride. He'd rather sit there at the cafe, reading the racing post and having a coffee and go home to his studio and listen to the radio than have anything to do with this old hag.

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ogrilla99 Pez "The Pussy Dispenser" Pimp 1y ago

Agreed. Women don't realize that, once a man passes an age where he's resigned that he doesn't want kids, he has zero interest in getting married. Not only is the one benefit of marriage (kids) no longer appealing, but by then he's gotten comfortable living by himself, and he's less inclined to think with his little head when it comes to women, and sees them as the net negative most of them are.

At that point, even if a woman is willing to give up having kids too, he still isn't interested in an LTR. Maybe a plate, maybe a FWB, where each person still leads their independent lives but gets together once in a while. But not the type of close, intertwined lives that married people lead. And it scares the bejeezus out of women, because that's the one thing they fear the most: being alone. No men to help out with stuff, to grow old with, to take care of them when they're sick.

The funny part about feminism is that it essentially told women to go on strike and refuse to do "women's work" on account of it being oppressive and all. So modern women refuse to cook, clean, keep a good house, or even provide any sort of emotional support for a man (so-called unpaid emotional labor). And guess what: turns out men are pretty good at doing all this themselves. Men are now better cooks than women, and cleaning a house takes a few hours a week (and can be outsourced for maybe a hundred bucks every couple of weeks if needed). Even emotional support: guys have always relied more on other guys than on women for this.

In contrast, feminism told women they didn't need no man. But most of them haven't been able to replicate what a man does. They can't fix their car. They're still too scared to check out that creepy noise downstairs at night. And even emotionally, women friends are two way streets: if they listen to your bitching, they expect you to listen to theirs as well. Not like a man who's expected to just be a rock for everyone around him.

Once they no longer have orbiters who are willing to do this stuff, they realize how much they need a man and are desperate to get one in their life, at the precise time when a man has realized that everything a woman might do for him, he can do better and/or cheaper than acquiring a wife.

Literally the only thing that a woman can provide for a man now is a family. Many of them don't want to do even that. And regardless, once a man decides he doesn't want a family, there's nothing left of value from being in a relationship with a woman that you can't do (better) by yourself, or that you can get more cheaply and with less drama from other avenues.

I know a guy in his late fifties. Met him in his forties. He's not what we'd typically call "a catch". He's balding, overweight, rents a small place, has a beater car, and has a menial job that gives him enough money to live but otherwise isn't building some sort of empire with. But he's happy, spends his time with friends doing stuff he likes, and overall enjoys a low-key, low-stress life. What's funny is that a lot of older women now want to date him. Because they're desperate for any sort of male companionship in their lives. And he wants nothing to do with them. When he gets horny, he goes to a local rub-n-tug or massage parlor, gets his rocks off, and he's good. Beyond that, he has no interest whatsoever in dealing with the drama, nor providing for the needs, of a woman in his life. Meanwhile, the single women I know at that age are almost uniformly miserable, even if they have a better career, etc. than my friend. They're lonely, filled with regret about how their life turned out, and terrified knowing the rest of their life will be like this; there is no going back and getting a do-over. This is their one life and it's pretty much set now.

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Women abdicated their roles as cooks, so men invented machines to make it easy.

Women abdicated their roles as cleaners, so men invented machines to make it easy.

Women have literally one job left and they're dead set on motivating the next generation of engineers.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

I have yet to meet a woman that can cook as well as I can. Cleaning is 'dirt' cheap. Shopping is delivered to your door. For 'emotional support' I have a network of guys and brothers that I can call on the phone.

Remind me again, what exactly is it that a woman of say, 39 years of age, is going to do for my life (aged 52)?

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Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

Take your resources and expect you to be thankful for the opportunity

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Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 1y ago

These women are truly fucked when men en mass realize that being Bob is better than being with these women.

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Lone_Ranger Live by the pork sword, die by the pork sword 1y ago

You know, I think I should write a post about 'The Ceiling'. We all know what 'the wall' is, but i think there is good evidence for 'the ceiling'. The Ceiling is when women get so past their prime that even if they were to let go of every single one of their red lines (tall, good looking, high status, rich, abs, big cock etc), even is they would actually go out with an ugly old fat bald broke guy.....there is no market for them - that is the ceiling.

I'm 52 now. I know women that have hit the ceiling. they would go out with ANY male that has a pulse. But nobody wants them. After a certain point, men get ok with their own company, and they don't want to trade their peace for an existence with a woman than cannot add (and will certainly detract) from their lives.

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hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 1y ago

I could’ve sworn that I saw this woman on the dating apps years ago. Wouldn’t shock me.

It’s freaking amazing that people buy “age is just a number” nonsense. Like they don’t look at their 80 year old grandma when they’re 20 and go “hey maybe there’s real changes to the body as you age?”.

Or, you know what? I’m 37. Age is just a number. I’m going to start training to make the NFL, I’m sure the 8th graders also trying to accomplish the same thing don’t have any inherent edge on me.

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