Dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man", to show women's poor dating behavior and unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves.
Typo-MAGAshiv
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We're just a bunch of clueless NiceGuys™ with kindness coins that don't seem to work in women's holes so that the sex we're "entitled to" falls out. Because apparently we weren't demonstrating good relationship material through the attention, respect and stability that women demand. We were only "pretending" to be nice just to get laid.
In response to r/niceguys, this forum is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a "good man" after dating jerks and riding the cock carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they're deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciating looks, narcissistic mentality, used-up vaginas, and another man's kids.
Women in their 20s have numerous opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want, but many reject or friendzone these men for jerks and promiscuity. She takes advantage of a good dude's kindness for attention and favors, then accuses him of being a bad person who thinks he's entitled to sex.
But when she's in her 30s with depreciating looks, jerks who won't commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married friends, she asks "Where have all the good men gone?"[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys "Being nice is the bare minimum", but now that she's past her prime and needs a bailout, she wants a man with nice guy traits.
Furthermore, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a good man is planned by many women, and encouraged by feminists. They then come to the dating market with unreasonable standards while offering little to no value themselves. Such women are totally unaware that the mature, stable men they now need are the same decent men they rejected, except these men remember the rejection and are responding in kind to avoid unstable, unappreciative women who view them more as ATMs than romantic partners.
The reason women end up here is because their behavior is not exposed as the lucid, self-destructive, feminist ideology that it is. And we're here to help Good Men guard their commitment and resources by exposing women who would make poor life partners and mothers of their children. Providing observations and opinions on the posts here allows us to better understand women's psyche and later depressive/miserable state when they are not held to a moral standard required for healthy, functioning relationships.
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Recommended reading:
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Dating profiles showing women's Dual-Mating strategy and unreasonable standards
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OkCupid study shows women reject 80% of men based on looks alone
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Milo - The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society
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Women Want to Know Why Men Don't Want to Marry Anymore...Allow Me
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WAATGM mod explains why promiscuous women can't get good men to commit.
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Okay, I get it. You're sick of hearing men complain about girls only dating assholes.
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Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore
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Dear Single Moms: I wasn't your type then, why am I all of a sudden your type now?
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The Truth About Single Moms Who Bring Young Children To The Dating Market
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Carol asks WAATGM for the harsh truth after riding the carousel
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The Big Question- Carol asks "Where are all the good men?", "Why can't I find a decent guy?", "What happened to chivalry and respect?"
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Bailout- Carol wants a man to help raise her kids and provide financial stability.
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Leftovers- Carol whines about how hard dating is as an older woman.
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Dual-Mating Strategy- Carol admits to promiscuity and dating jerks but now wants a good guy to settle down with. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
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Cock Carousel Rider: Carol complains about being single while having a history of promiscuity.
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Entitlement Princess- Carol has unreasonable standards while offering little to no value herself.
- New Carols Unlocked!- A list of all the Carols we've identified.
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Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 6mo ago Stickied
Credit to @Lone_Ranger for finding this gem; he just didn't want to post.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 6mo ago Stickied
This woman is guilty of fraud. What do I mean? The whole point of a woman having a waiting period before she has sex is supposed to be due to her not being someone that gives away sex so easily. Having a man wait implies "I am not easy to get into bed," but for a woman like this, it just means "I am going to make you wait an arbitrary amount of time because I want to give you the impression that I am not quick to give out sex, but in actuality I am. Just not for you."
Her wanting to "build something slowly" is pointless when she is willing to give out sex to another man who did not need to give her commitment. All it does is show that she thinks very little of the man she wants to make wait, because she is engaging in deceit and giving him a worse deal. And keep this in mind, she claims that she really wants this man ("claims"). Are her actions any way of demonstrating that she has any care for him, or would you think that she is just engaging in deceptive manipulation to give off an impression of herself that is a falsehood?
Good for him to break it off with her. If you are going to make a man wait, it better be for a good reason. Namely that you don't give out sex easily, and are completely consistent with that standard. So no one night stands or FWBs if you want to have a serious relationship, and most certainly not when you are wanting to start a serious relationship. Perhaps some women will pull the "I am no longer that kind of girl," but she cannot even do that in this case. Even outside of those cases, it is going to be a hard sell to get a guy to want to commit to a woman who is upping the price while making him wait longer. Was it really so crazy that historically most societies created restrictions when it came to sex? It really should not be all that surprising, as we are seeing exactly what happens when those rules are out.
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 6mo ago Stickied
Donald Kingsbury, Courtship Rites.
The book itself is a largely forgettable Dune ripoff, but that line is a banger.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 6mo ago
Well said. Please consider posting this in WAATGM.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 6mo ago
Do you mean WATGMA? I can do that, though I may make some revisions so that it is less specific to this post and more general to the topic of women committing fraud by withholding sex when she is indeed not the type that is reserved.
moorekom Urban Hoe Guerrilla 6mo ago
Yes. Yes please.
Pic889 6mo ago
She made the mistake of wanting to be an honest person while she had chosen a path of fraud. But just think how many other women are hiding the fact they are sleeping with Chad while stringing the other guy along pretending to be "asexual" and "nice girls" until marriage and immediately after marriage they give their husband dead bedrooms and cold shoulders while still fucking Chad on the side. And if their husband finds out, they unceremoniously divorce him and drag him to a family court to take his money and children.
This is your lesson on why if you have to get married (you shouldn't, but if you must), you should at least vet thoroughly and vet for several years. She can't be a perfect actor all the time (that's why women who put up an act will try to rush you into marriage obviously). Does she actually want to have sex with you or is it duty sex? Is there genuine intimacy? Is she a good person? What are her habits and morals? Does she expect you to pay to be in a relationship with her? This is good advice even if you are looking for an LTR to be honest.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
That's a great explainer - she is a fraud. The entire 'making men wait' is a fraud. The dual mating strategy is a fraud. The entire point of FDS is fraud.
That is why I always say Do.Not.Go.On.Dates. Dates are a fraud: the women is the con artist and you are the mark.
The skittles guy doesn't go on dates because he doesn't need to go on dates.
Oddest-One-Here 6mo ago
It is easy for a woman to make a man wait for sex if she isn't sexually attracted to him, it is even easier for her if she can get her rocks off elsewhere.
houseoftolstoy Unchivalrous Christian 6mo ago
Very true. I was not thinking of that when I wrote what I wrote, but you are correct that true restraint requires actual temptation. It is hardly much of a sacrifice to wait for supper if you are eating snacks beforehand.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
Especially if you don't like what's for supper.
The main issue here for the guy is that she has proved to him that he is not attractive to her. If he were attractive, she would have been on her knees sucking. But she has proved that this is not his role in life, his role is BB.
I truly dont' think that women know that men don't want to be BB. I think that they think we're ok with their FDS - to fuck only chads, and then when the chads don't want them anymore (after they hit the wall) that we'll be happy to pick up the pieces and wife up some woman that is not in the least bit interested in us sexually.
Nope. We're not playing that game.
Pic889 6mo ago
I think this bears repeating: Men aren't playing that game and any women counting on men playing it are in panic. Hence the massive effort to censor subs like this WhereAreAllTheGoodMen despite those subs not even breaking Reddit's notoriously vague and overly politically-correct rules.
Folks, your effort is paying off and will do so even more in the future.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
Agreed. No sane man wants to be some CC rejects' plan B.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
A truer word was never spake.
DancingIsRedPill 6mo ago
We need to call this INSIDER PU$$Y TRADING! These girls are pumping up their stock price artificially on one end and dumping it to chad for free at the other end. Call the SEC we need to arrest these 304's!!
ALOT of women out there run game like the FTX guy. You gotta vet what you invest in boys, lets go!
Boar_excrement Jr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
Fuck around, find out. The Literal Edition.
My hunch is that she was afraid that he would find out later and that is merely proactive damage control to keep the plow horse in his harness.....
Justanaverageguy 6mo ago
The problem is she won’t bother to tell the next guy she roped into being with her. She learned that honesty got her dumped. She will still keep seeing the fuck buddy though, she ain’t gonna turn him loose. Oh no.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
This is why I've committed to not ever telling a woman this is a reason I'm dumping them.
I don't want the next guy to end up being some poor uninformed sucker because I had the gall to tell her that is unacceptable to me and she learns to hide it
Justanaverageguy 6mo ago
Smart move. Look out for the next guy. I usually am the one getting dumped so I can’t speak on that lol
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 6mo ago
This. Never teach them how to be better at being thots.
Plus if one is of a vindictive mindset, a sudden ghosting once they fuck up messes with their egos way harder than any amount of verbal "gotcha".
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
My womanese impression of this OP post happens to me again is going to be:
"I'm just not feeling like we have that spark, i think we're in two different places in our life right now"
Or some bullshit along those lines
Translation:
"You're not horny enough for me and you're giving off epiphany/daul mating vibes and I'm not having any of it"
Oddest-One-Here 6mo ago
"It's not you, it's me".
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
Old but gold
Justanaverageguy 6mo ago
Whores gonna do whore things. She’s a whore doing whore things.
mattyanon TRP Endorsed 6mo ago
No, she's not a whore.
That's the problem.
She is NORMAL.
"Make him wait" gets applied to 90% of men. It's normal and it's expected and it's what women always do when trying to extract resources from men.
Calling This One Girl a whore for this behaviour is exonerating all the other women who do it. They ALL do this. Get used to it. Don't date exclusively, they don't.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
"I wanted to build slowly with THIS man".
But not with THAT man.
Don't be THIS man. Be THAT man.
Don't. Go. On. Dates.
Unless you have invented a time machine and have set the dial for 1958 and have found a 20 year old girl with a hymen, and you want to take her bowling.
Jules 6mo ago
A time machine would be ideal, but an airplane works nearly as well. Provincial Filipinas are great
No-Stress-Cat 6mo ago
Found a gold nugget, gentlemen.
nicknack 6mo ago
Story as old as time.
That other guy who was banging her in the meanwhile also had to do the dog and and pony show at one point, hanging out with her while the dude before him was actually hitting it. It’s a never ending cycle pretty much.
I’ve gotten head from girls 2 hours before they go out on a dinner date with the new guy they are making wait.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
I was seeing a FWB that was going on all these sexless dates with other men, making plans with them, getting paid for for expensive hour or two long dinners and then coming straight over to my house afterwards to bang me. I didn't even have to invite her over. She'd hit me up while she was STILL balls deep talking to these men across the table from her.
Likewise, there were so many times I defiled her in my bed in the morning after filling her holes up and she left my house straight to go to brunch with some dude(s) plural because this happened numerous times, while my jizz was quite literally still steeping in her baby canal and throat
I saw her text to one of these guys once after she went home with me in front of him and she just texted him back "i just wanted to hang out with him lol he's just fun to talk to" just minutes before I was drilling her
orbilius 6mo ago
I've had that experience too. It's very eye-opening.
Picked a girl up in a bar. I was "the right guy at the right time" - banged her. Made it very clear that we would never have more than just sex. But also made it clear that I know she's going to be out there dating other guys.
That was the green light for her to start telling me about the other guys she's dating - not that I wanted to know, but at that point it seemed like the way to hold frame was to not let it bother me.
And here's an important lesson that I learned: when a girl gets all dressed up to go out, she is going to get fucked. She made that decision when she was shaving her pussy - "tonight, I'm getting fucked."
The guy on the date has the first shot at it, but she'll reject him for any number of (dumb) reasons. He's like the first prize on Monty Hall. She's also got door number 2, and door number 3.
And so, it'd happen all the time that I'd get a bathroom selfie on a Friday night. She's on a date with a guy, she goes to the bathroom, and she's texting pictures of herself to another guy. What a crazy society we live in.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
So you're the skittles guy!
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
Basically was with her and several other plates yeah
Of the two months I railed her brains out I maybe spent $50 max on her (made dinner for us one time and, breakfast usually, just cheap waffles and shit, and a few bottles of wine)
Considering I ate and drank half the shit i purchased, that amounted to about $25 dollars on her.
100+ lays with her, let's just say 100 for math purposes
I spent 25¢ per lay on her. Considering that I believe that she paid for some stuff for me here and there that probably offset my own expenditures on her.
I probably spent a bag of Skittles on her by the end of that or maybe even she net spent on me
Always be the Skittles Man
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
I like it... always work out the CPL (Cost per lay).
If young men followed that rule, they'd be much better off. I'm shaking my head sometimes when I hear guys asking (on this forum and in life in general) things like 'what is a great first date that I can bring this chick on? I really want to impress her, because she is hot'
They are basically looking at a CPL of over $100. Madness.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
Is cost per lay (CPL) already a term in the vernacular?
If not it should be lmao. Men would be seeing what they're doing to themselves in some cases if they looked at CPL
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 6mo ago
I've seen it used in MGTOW forums when discussing getting married vs a lifetime of seeing prostitutes.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
Same wording or different wording?
Hmmm. The marriage for sex cost i understand, more so angling it from the amount of investment men blowing in the early dating stages versus Chad
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 6mo ago
Yeah young men need to be taught that if a woman wasn't already willing to sleep with you when she agreed to the date, there is not a damn thing you can do to make her want to during the date. The only potential changes in her willingness to fuck are negative.
Which is why "traditional" dating is stupid. It just sets men up to have their time and effort exploited by women operating under false pretenses.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
Making a cheap date is therefore the best thing you can do if you end up one. One in which even if she got you to pay you'd be down $5 max or something
If she says no to a cheap date you know she's not very likely not sexually attracted
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
100%. The best filter is to be pushy at the outset - you could say - lets meet for coffee - you're paying by the way!
If she says no, she wasn't going to bang you anyway. A woman that is dtf will buy you a coffee.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
Funny how that works.
80% of the time a woman buys me something I know she's dtf lol
Especially if it is the first time a purchase scenario has ever been presented to
One time a chick had $70 in her bank account and showed me it and bought me food
Do you think I smashed that one or nah?
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
I'm going to guess smash
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
Lmao. Smashed and then the next day she paid my $10 cover to get into a venue and then pulled me and i smashed again the that night too
You're spot on about women who want to bang anyway are going to make it happen
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
joking aside - it doesn't matter who pays for coffee. But the principle of this philosophy does matter. If you are getting to know a woman, I still think its key NOT to go on dates, because it signals that you are beta.
So the best was forward is to say 'Let's meet up for a coffee on tuesday - its not a date or anything like that".
Because that will disqualify time wasters and entitlement princesses and women that are not interested in you. Because if you have a quick glance at the FDS comments over on reddit, all the toxic mega bitches always say 'no to coffee dates'.
the object of the game is not to get dates, the object is to get laid / find a decent woman. You will not find a decent woman by brining them out on dates, imho
Impressive-Cricket-8 Founding member of FapGPT 6mo ago
It's like you almost have a brain.
Also, that's a guy who knows his value. No thanks and block; that's how you do it.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
She was almost smart enough to graduate from r/TwoXChromosomes to r/TwoBrainCells
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
"I can't have sex with you yet and need to build slowly because xyz, but lemme take this dick over here a few times at least before we get more serious"
PoopBeast 6mo ago
This is a perfect articulation of why men don't like this behavior. Kudos.
Typo-MAGAshiv asshole. giga-shitlord. worst mod EVAR. 6mo ago
"What! How dare you be upset that I let some bozo have all my holes without any investment on his part, while simultaneously stringing you along as you bought me expensive dinners and other experiences and activities for months! I did this because you're the one I really want! Don't you understand?!"
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
It must be because she is now 'dating with a purpose'.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
Yeah unreasonable guy having his outdated PaTRiarChAL expectations that a woman he's intentfully dating be sexually attracted to him and willing to fuck him in a reasonable amount of time without loopholes for other men
/s
Justanaverageguy 6mo ago
Yes, the ones they really want they won’t give and pussy too, but the Chad she doesn’t want she throws pussy at him to make him see how much she doesn’t want him.lol
woodsmoke Respectful reprobate 6mo ago
Thing is, it actually makes sense from their perspective. She knows the good dude could be a long hauler and she needs to play her cards right to secure his commitment, which includes convincing him she has the positive qualities he's seeking in a mate. Conversely, she knows Chad ain't even in for a penny (but he'll happily donate a pound), but he's hot and he's here and she can have some fun in the moment. On the surface it's functionally no different than a guy availing himself of an opportunity to fuck a woman he knows would make his life a living hell if he let her then quietly moving on.
The difference, as ever, is in women's perennial inability to accept men don't value the same things they do.
What, to her, is just a bit of harmless fun is to the man a clear demonstration she doesn't respect his values. And since respect is the foundation of love for men he'll think nothing of showing her exactly as much respect as she showed him by simply dumping her ass in the street and moving on.
Karen Straughan said it in one of her early YT videos 10+ years ago: at some point women are going to have to face up to and accept the reality that men's desires matter. They've been able to stave that off and live high on the hog (and the taxpayer's dole) for a long time now, but the good times are finally coming to an end - thanks in no small part to men progressively realizing they're being used and making the obvious decision to simply stop feeding the beast.
Pic889 6mo ago
The taxpayer dole is coming to an end too one way or another. Debt-to-GDP ratio for the US has hit 120%, and now that interest rates aren't near-zero anymore, rolling over all that debt costs a ton of money, which means debt servicing has become the single biggest expense in the government budget. Most EU countries are in a similar situation.
The taxpayer will start seriously considering whether supporting a bloated welfare state is worth it when they start feeling the real cost in their pocket. Just look how Spain and Greece initially veered to the left and then voted for conservative parties after taxpayers got tired of seeing their taxes go up every year.
Exercise for the reader: Find out what the debt-to-GDP ratio for Greece and Spain was when they had to seek a bailout 13 years ago or so. You will be shocked how low it was by today's standards.
This will seriously hurt some "strong independent women" out there. Along with the decline of ESG policies (aka "diversity" quotas), now that ESG stocks underperform the average and the most "non-diverse" of the big tech companies (Nvidia) is brought in record returns. Anyone who bought into the ESG fairytale missed that boat bigly.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
"I don't want you at all and don't see anything with you, here have the most vulnerable and raw parts of my body to show you how little I value you"
Justanaverageguy 6mo ago
“Ewww sex is nasty, I’m not that kind of girl, I have a low sex drive, I have anxiety, let’s wait and go slooooow. So were we going to dinner tonight? Oh I saw the cutest ring you should buy me the other day!”
Chad texts at dinner “hey baby, want some fuck?”
Her- giggle giggle…..Chad you’re awful! I can’t tonight I’m on a date. But soon we will have sex.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 6mo ago
And then they wonder why so many men won't take them on dates anymore.
Justanaverageguy 6mo ago
Only the chads don’t take them on dates. If an average guy or below average guy tries to pull the no date stunt he gets ghosted immediately. “I know my worth and I deserve a proper date!”
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
= getting drilled like oil fields in Saudi Arabia and then eventually getting taken out to dinner by the same man that's already been scoring without any prior dates
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 6mo ago
Which means that average schlub is still managing to filter out time wasters by doing so. Going to the effort of investing in dating and getting nothing is worse than just not going on dates at all, [because men are expected to invest the near totality of effort and expense in dating, no, your stupid makeup and fashion BS does not even come close ladies.] regardless of the reason why or outcome of the latter.
And these women bring it upon themselves.
ZZoMBiE13 6mo ago
Smash cut to the meme- "Jesus can't save these hoes, why are YOU trying? What makes you think you better than Jesus?"
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 6mo ago
Good eye noticing the fundamental ego issues co-morbid with a savior complex/captain save-a-hoe mentality.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
Women place hurdles for men they don't like.
Women jump hurdles for men they do like.
Vermillion-Rx Penchant for plastic dolls 6mo ago
Preach
FrancoAP 6mo ago
Christ...So; how are men supposed to prevail in the Sexual Marketplace, whilst juggling our own jobs and the rat race of having a perfect physique? Are we supposed to be Superman? This is INSANE... Good for that guy; we need more men to have a strong self steem
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
When a man is in an unfavorable environment, there are four options available:
Perish
Adapt himself to suit the environment
Adapt the environment to accomodate him
Obviously option 1 is off the table. You can attempt option 2, but the effort you put forth isn't going to be worth the return you get. You can't do option 3.
So what's left?
Getting the fuck out of the West.
There is a world full of fit feminine women who appreciate men who are worth a shit. My advice is to get your money and muscle in order then seek life elsewhere.
FrancoAP 6mo ago
I don´t think this is a West related issue; this is a global issue...I know that myself as I am in LatAm. True, dating as a white muscular dude here is dating on dead easy mode, but AWALT is AWALT. You are not getting laid here unless you increase your SMV; the hotter the woman the insanely highger the bar.
I guess the solution is to find the easiest SM as per your own competitiveness....But, the truth is that these places are getting smaller, and way, way harder to find.
hornetsfalcons12 Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
Worst part is, she won’t take this as a lesson to not behave in this manner. She’ll take it as a lesson to simply hide it next time.
Overkill_Engine WAATGM Endorsed 6mo ago
Yup. This is one of the many reasons men should not bother giving a woman any sort of verbal closure or otherwise openly discuss his decision making or even bother confronting her about her behavior in any shape or form.
Catch her slipping? Straight to block and no contact. Don't tell her what why, or how or what you know. Just instant ghost.
The only reason a man should delay any of this is to ensure he can make a clean exit. But he should still keep a lid on it all until well after he's already bailed.
Oddest-One-Here 6mo ago
All these sorts of women teach men is that it is far better to be the fuck-boy than a nice-guy.
Understand that the two main reasons women fuck the Chads is one, they sexually desire the Chads due to tingles, and they want to fuck him as soon as possible and two, they know that if they make the Chad wait for sex, he will look elsewhere for sex and she will miss out her chance at fucking him and maybe locking him down.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
The thing that women forget about men is that we are the 'rational' of the species. Being rational means 'responding to incentives'. So.... we observe how women behave. Even rats and mice are able to scan their environment and respond to incentives in a utility maximising way.
So....we see that
Being beta: bringing women out on dates = no sex Being a fuck boy: Action orientated gaming at parties = same night sex with no investment
And they wonder why their strategy for 'taking it slow' does not work?
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 6mo ago
Taking it fast doesn't really work, either. A woman who puts out right away when she barely knows you can be presumed to have done the same with many other guys. There are lots of guys she barely knows, after all. In other words: early sex is a massive slut tell, and you don't marry a slut.
There's also a very strong correlation between a woman's n-count and the likelihood that she will initiate divorce that has been discussed at great length here many times, so I will refrain from re-plowing that field now.
The only smart play for a woman is to hold out for her husband. A very HVM looking for a wife won't dump a virgin because she won't put out... but that's likely to be a different story if she's not a virgin.
Problematic_Browser Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
It's insane when non-virgins demand virgin treatment.
But I've never met a virgin before so...
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 6mo ago
They're out there, but mainly in religious communities. That's not to say that there aren't sluts in churches (there are many), but that there are almost none anywhere else. It's not much of an exaggeration to say that,
Nor all church girls are virgins, but (nearly) all virgins are church girls.
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Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
therein lies the problem - if you screen against women that put out straight away, you really screen out women that are interested in you. I banged my wife on the 'first date' and I wouldn't have it any other way. I realise that she has a high n count, and so do I. that is the culture that we live in.
Looking around for a woman with a low n count (bear in mind I was 44 and she was 36 when we met) is counter productive. If you are, all you will get is a woman that is lying to you. At the age of 36, these are your choices
Those are you choices. Be realistic about it. Spending your life looking for a low n count woman aged over 21 is living in a fantasy world. The only reason would be that either a) she is very ugly or b) she doesn't like sex. You don't want either of those.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 6mo ago
That my be the culture we live in, but it's not the sub-culture I live in.
Anyway; 44 is well outside of the prime marriage age, so of course you won't have the same choices as someone a couple of decades younger. By the time a woman is 36 she should have been married for 10-15 years unless she intends to spend her life in a convent.
My point is that if a woman intends to marry, she and her family should be conducting a serious husband search early. A bride should ideally be a virgin between the ages of 18 and 25 - preferably in the lower part of that range. (My wife was 20 when we met and still 20 on our wedding day. She was a cheerleader in high school just two years prior to meeting me, so her chastity was certainly not due to lack of male interest. )
Now if we're talking about people who marry much later in life like you and your wife, obviously different realities will be in effect. I'm a bit past 60, and if I found myself single I obviously wouldn't be running game on 20-year-olds in my church. My target demographic would probably be devout Christian widows (presumably with an n-count of 1), rather than life-long spinsters or "born-again virgins." Of course there's a lot of difference between dating in your 20s, your 40s, and your 60s, but I can't imagine offering commitment to a woman with a high n-count at any age.
Lone_Ranger Sr. Hamster Analyst 6mo ago
44 is not well outside the prime for a man. For a woman, its totally over the hill. But at 44, I found it far far easier to get women than I did at 24. From 40 to about 46 was the prime for me. It was as easy as falling off a chair. This was my second marriage.
It sounds like we live in very different worlds. I live in the UK in 2023. A cheerleader at 20 years old will have an n count of between 10 to 30. A woman of HB4-9 will have an n count of about 40 when she gets to 30.
I wonder if we actually are living in different worlds. It's pretty easy to tell a lie if the person hearing it wants to believe it.
From what I know of "ordinary good girls" - the vast majority of female sexual activity is underreported. I would say that 95% of it.
lurkerhasarisen A Strategist Among Tacticians 6mo ago
The UK is far more secular than the non-coastal parts of the US, so we're basically living on different planets. A 20-year-old woman with an n-count of 10 would be considered more than a little slutty in a rural state that has a church for every thousand people in the population. Even more so in the 1980s when I was single. You can't swing a dead cat and not hit a church where my wife grew up. Shoot... I grew up in a small town in the eastern US that's not particularly religious, and my town (population about 3000 at the time) had five churches (if you count the Congregational church... which you probably shouldn't).
Actual religiosity strongly correlates with sexual restraint, and although the US is now a post-Christian nation, there are still significant pockets that are far less secular than what you would find on Tinder in a college town... or anywhere in the UK. You guys abandoned religiosity a long time ago (although you're importing hordes of Muslims... which is obviously not working out very well for you).
That said, our different experiences don't necessarily apply across the pond in either direction.
Edit. Also, you said that your marriage at 46 was your second marriage. So you were not in the prime marriage market. You were in the secondary marriage market. Completely different circumstances.
liftheavystuff 6mo ago
I'm glad to see that women who purport themselves as "innocent" are getting their just desserts.
ElliotPagesLeftTit 6mo ago
I love a happy ending.